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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 13, 2021 0:55:38 GMT 1
It seems that some people are up in arms (no pun intended) about the fact that the Wakandans build a fail-safe into Bucky's arm. In the latest episode, Ayo rapidly disarms (pun intended) Bucky during a fight with a few skilly-placed hand gestures. Does anyone see this as a betrayal on the part of the Wakandan's? I think it would have been more than reasonable for Shuri and the team to devise a failsafe for the arm should their deprogramming have failed. At the same time, I do think Ayo owes Bucky an apology or something like it. She did perform the action in mixed company, which showcases the vulnerability. She owed him some professional courtesy in that regard. This is one of those things I don’t think fans think through. Did you really think the Wakandans tested out his trigger words without some sort of ‘in case of emergency push’ switch? They probably never planned to ever use it past that.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 13, 2021 1:04:36 GMT 1
Random thought as I was processing Sam and Bucky’s place
Bucky essentially is the arbiter of the shield. The steward. He says who should have it and who shouldn’t. He’ll steal from who shouldn’t have it and influence who should to take it, and if it doesn’t work out, he’ll take it himself.
Sam is the one who is worthy.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 13, 2021 1:31:01 GMT 1
It seems that some people are up in arms (no pun intended) about the fact that the Wakandans build a fail-safe into Bucky's arm. In the latest episode, Ayo rapidly disarms (pun intended) Bucky during a fight with a few skilly-placed hand gestures. Does anyone see this as a betrayal on the part of the Wakandan's? I think it would have been more than reasonable for Shuri and the team to devise a failsafe for the arm should their deprogramming have failed. At the same time, I do think Ayo owes Bucky an apology or something like it. She did perform the action in mixed company, which showcases the vulnerability. She owed him some professional courtesy in that regard. This is one of those things I don’t think fans think through. Did you really think the Wakandans tested out his trigger words without some sort of ‘in case of emergency push’ switch? They probably never planned to ever use it past that. And it's not as if he is completely useless without the arm. Less effective I'm sure, but totally useless, maybe not.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 13, 2021 13:47:08 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 13, 2021 15:31:48 GMT 1
we really should. That scene introduced him so strongly and so importantly as a character that it’s just begging to know more about him. As far as we know he is the first descendent of Steve Rogers. That has to be a show or something. It’s a massive part of the history of this series.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 13, 2021 19:54:25 GMT 1
The more I'm thinking about this USAgent development at the end of last episode, the more fascinating I find it. Like a lot of the character's motivations in this show, almost everybody exists in some level of grey.
There's kind of a knee jerk fan reaction to treat Walker as a villain, but how wrong is he exactly here? And I'll pose the question;
Given the power to so, if your best friend was killed in front of you by a group, I think you and most people would have a hard time not exacting serious revenge in the heat of the moment. I'll tell you right now, if I'm walking with a group of friends, and another group ambushes us (which is what happened here, Karli intentionally separated them with the goal of killing Walker himself), I'm not holding back in a fight. And if they kill you, as a friend walking with me, and let's they drop a gun as they run away in a place that I can pick it up. Yeah, I think I'm probably shooting whichever one of them is in my sight, I don't care if it's the exact one that killed you or not.
So no, Walker isn't Captain America material. Neither am I. Should he have arrested the guy instead? Absolutely. But I sure as a hell don't blame him.
Karli is the one that set up the murder ambush. She's the one that threatened Sam's nephews in order to isolate Walker. The dude who died to the shield willingly played along, knowing full well they had already murdered people as a group. So they drank their medicine as far as I can tell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 22:45:21 GMT 1
I would be more sympathetic if he had killed the person responsible.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 14, 2021 5:27:30 GMT 1
Hard disagree with you here ArArArchStanton. I believe in the rule of law. If we let personal emotions drive us when it comes to crime we would get anarchy. Walker should have arrested the killer and brought him to justice. By killing a man he believes to be a friend of the killer he becomes a criminal himself. I can have zero sympathy for that.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 14, 2021 9:19:40 GMT 1
Hard disagree with you here ArArArchStanton. I believe in the rule of law. If we let personal emotions drive us when it comes to crime we would get anarchy. Walker should have arrested the killer and brought him to justice. By killing a man he believes to be a friend of the killer he becomes a criminal himself. I can have zero sympathy for that. Oh I totally agree. He should have arrested the guy. I’m not saying he’s right. Im just saying I’m not sure many of us would let the group responsible for ambushing you and killing your friend in front of you, get away without delivering any level of revenge you had the power to give. If you and I are walking down the street and muggers jump us and kill you, and they drop a gun and run. If I can pick it up, I think I’m probably shooting any of them I can see and I won’t feel the least bit bad about it, even if I go to jail for it. I’d do it for you.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 14, 2021 16:04:27 GMT 1
Hard disagree with you here ArArArchStanton. I believe in the rule of law. If we let personal emotions drive us when it comes to crime we would get anarchy. Walker should have arrested the killer and brought him to justice. By killing a man he believes to be a friend of the killer he becomes a criminal himself. I can have zero sympathy for that. Oh I totally agree. He should have arrested the guy. I’m not saying he’s right. Im just saying I’m not sure many of us would let the group responsible for ambushing you and killing your friend in front of you, get away without delivering any level of revenge you had the power to give. If you and I are walking down the street and muggers jump us and kill you, and they drop a gun and run. If I can pick it up, I think I’m probably shooting any of them I can see and I won’t feel the least bit bad about it, even if I go to jail for it. I’d do it for you. Just to be sure. Please dont do that for me. I will gain nothing and it will only hurt other people who didnt kill me. Like the killer's family. Just have the guy arrested and brought to justice. 🙂
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 14, 2021 16:15:14 GMT 1
Oh I totally agree. He should have arrested the guy. I’m not saying he’s right. Im just saying I’m not sure many of us would let the group responsible for ambushing you and killing your friend in front of you, get away without delivering any level of revenge you had the power to give. If you and I are walking down the street and muggers jump us and kill you, and they drop a gun and run. If I can pick it up, I think I’m probably shooting any of them I can see and I won’t feel the least bit bad about it, even if I go to jail for it. I’d do it for you. Just to be sure. Please dont do that for me. I will gain nothing and it will only hurt other people who didnt kill me. Like the killer's family. Just have the guy arrested and brought to justice. 🙂 Ill try. But I can’t saying I’ll be able to help it. Let them go and hope they get caught? Not sure I can do it. They just shot you to death. They deserve it IMO
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 14, 2021 21:23:34 GMT 1
"We could have been a team."
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Post by Jayman on Apr 15, 2021 10:20:51 GMT 1
I was almost going to watch episode 3 but then something happened. I had a sudden craving to watch West side story. The greatest musical of all time! 😁 👍
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 15, 2021 12:50:54 GMT 1
I was almost going to watch episode 3 but then something happened. I had a sudden craving to watch West side story. The greatest musical of all time! 😁 👍 ,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 15, 2021 15:53:31 GMT 1
I was almost going to watch episode 3 but then something happened. I had a sudden craving to watch West side story. The greatest musical of all time! 😁 👍 Euh... That would be The Sound of Music.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 15, 2021 16:48:23 GMT 1
You're both wrong! The greatest musical of all time is Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 15, 2021 16:57:53 GMT 1
Jayman is right.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 15, 2021 18:45:44 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 5:18:08 GMT 1
Are you guys ready to cry?
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 8:54:11 GMT 1
Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine played bt Julia Louis-Dreyfus is freaking amazing.
I absolutely loved this week's episode.
That fight for the shield was a direct call back to the end fight of Captain America Civil War.
Absolutely am shipping Sarah and Bucky now.
The training sequence was absolutely superb.
If the last epsiode is as great as this one I will put this on top of my all time favorite MCU list.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 8:54:39 GMT 1
Best episode so far.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 8:57:17 GMT 1
And Marvel handles the racism brilliantly. They acknowledge it exists but they dont let Sam be a victim. They let him grow beyond racism.
How fucking great is that?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 16, 2021 11:54:16 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 16, 2021 11:56:10 GMT 1
Also i wonder if this means Hydra will return?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 16, 2021 12:05:23 GMT 1
And Marvel handles the racism brilliantly. They acknowledge it exists but they dont let Sam be a victim. They let him grow beyond racism. How fucking great is that? I mean it would have been poor taste not to acknowledge that racism exists. Hopefully they acknowledge that the racist will not be happy when Sam takes over as Captain America.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 14:17:41 GMT 1
There are actually people dissapointed by the Julia Louis-Dreyfus cameo... character and actress are not big enough for the hype? WTF!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 23:01:15 GMT 1
I got a lot of satasfaction watching Bucky and Sam beat on faux Captain America. So glad to see Sam taking up the mantle.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 16, 2021 23:45:02 GMT 1
I don't know how to process this ep yet.
- Sam takes ownership over the shield - Buck clearly gifts Sam with new Cap colored wings that we haven't seen yet - John in the post credit essentially becomes USAgent but will he help next week? - A potential Madame Hydra shows her face to help John - And Sharon called in Batroc the Leaper? So Sharon is the Power Broker? Is that what was just revealed? And did she have anything to do with the LAF in the opening scene of this series? Or is this still a deep cover situation going on here? - I'm enjoying the evolution of the race angle from the very bitter "it will never change, and no self respecting black man would ever carry the shield" to Sam's "why the F not? Let's take the last step forward" approach. - Zemo is in the raft, nice arc with the Wakandans, and I loved seeing Sokovia again. - Bucky is the arbiter of the Shield. I like that dynamic with he and Sam. That Sam needed to refuse it, and Bucky needed to insist. Bucky pressed the issue of Sam needing to take it and of John's lack of worthiness this entire series, and that is a fantastic position for him to have. - Can't wait to see Bucky confess his part in the death of his friend's son. That is happening.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Apr 18, 2021 22:59:36 GMT 1
Definitely liking the Flag Smashers and Karli Morgenthau. Their goal is relatable. Once the pandemic all-clear is given and things resume to normal, it'll be like the ending of the blip. People coming out of the woodwork filling the queues for work, school and aid. I feel for the people who thought for even a minute that they might have a chance, a chance in a world that reminds them repeatedly that it's not their world, they just live in it.
I like US Agent. I'm detecting a hint of the Rey treatment from Star Wars. A lot of heroes are products (or victims) of circumstance. I think people feel off-put by characters who get to live their dreams by stepping into the role of a hero instead of being forced into it. So John Walker wants to be Captain America and got his wish. Big deal. By the conditions of his world, he earned it.
The Isaiah Bradley story is crackling! It does address issues about black identity and what it means to the American experience. The first episode wrapped up with the idea that America is not ready for a black man to be its symbol. It was almost analogous to white flight, a retreat to safety. Isaiah Bradley's an old man now, and if they weren't ready for a black Captain America back then, they're hardly likely to be ready for it now.
The show hinges on its overtures about race in America. By the end of the first episode it might have been a guess, but by now, it's clearly a statement. Isaiah Bradley's story channels medical military experiments on black soldiers like the Tuskegee Airmen. A few years ago in the US, during stretches of civil unrest, it was looking like statues were held in higher regard than people. Not all people, just certain people. Imagine being less important than a statue.
So far so good.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2021 18:54:18 GMT 1
This last ep hit me harder the second viewing. Which is great. It took me a bit with this one to process where everybody was at and it all meant. That’s what I like about this show the most. There’s a lot of discussion to be bad with it.
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