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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 22, 2021 18:25:35 GMT 1
Some interesting ideas. Somehow I doubt Sharon will be involved with the Serpent Society lol. Would be cool to see her as part of Weapon Plus though. Lord Death Man I know you're a proponent of this program in general. Didnt know Leviathan was also an organization in Marvel. The guy makes some excellent (shouldve been obvious really) points regarding Sharon NOT being a skrull Yes, weapon+ mythology is one of my favorite corners of the Marvel Universe. Much like a lot of other YouTubers, this individual loves to spin copious amounts of headcanon. Nothing wrong with that, but he does go on to contradict himself by the end of the video on Sharon's Status as a Skrull. I think Marvel was clearly trying to leave their options open with Sharon at the end of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo because we don't know much about who/what turned her. I like her to be a Skrull in Secret Invasion. I could see her as a part of a radical sect of Skrulls trying to determine the extent and capabilities of Earth's superpowered beings. Once they have the lay of the land, the next step would be to manipulate that landscape to achieve their desired effect - a full-on Skrull invasion. It has a very Skrully feel, for obvious reasons, and I confess it would be awesome to see a real imprisoned Agent 13 reveal at some point. If it's not that then it seems like she almost has to have gone corrupt and be behind something like Armor Wars. Maybe not, but if not, then I just have no clue what this move was about. They always have a plan, so they pulled this heel turn for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 21:10:42 GMT 1
Some interesting ideas. Somehow I doubt Sharon will be involved with the Serpent Society lol. Would be cool to see her as part of Weapon Plus though. Lord Death Man I know you're a proponent of this program in general. Didnt know Leviathan was also an organization in Marvel. The guy makes some excellent (shouldve been obvious really) points regarding Sharon NOT being a skrull Yes, weapon+ mythology is one of my favorite corners of the Marvel Universe. Much like a lot of other YouTubers, this individual loves to spin copious amounts of headcanon. Nothing wrong with that, but he does go on to contradict himself by the end of the video on Sharon's Status as a Skrull.
I think Marvel was clearly trying to leave their options open with Sharon at the end of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo because we don't know much about who/what turned her.I'd like her to be a Skrull in Secret Invasion. I could see her as a part of a radical sect of Skrulls trying to determine the extent and capabilities of Earth's superpowered beings. Once they have the lay of the land, the next step would be to manipulate that landscape to achieve their desired effect - a full-on Skrull invasion. This is true but it does seem to be a bit out there for Sharon to be revealed as both the powerbroker and then another surprise as a skrull What parts did you consider to be headcanon?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 0:32:30 GMT 1
Yes, weapon+ mythology is one of my favorite corners of the Marvel Universe. Much like a lot of other YouTubers, this individual loves to spin copious amounts of headcanon. Nothing wrong with that, but he does go on to contradict himself by the end of the video on Sharon's Status as a Skrull.
I think Marvel was clearly trying to leave their options open with Sharon at the end of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo because we don't know much about who/what turned her.I'd like her to be a Skrull in Secret Invasion. I could see her as a part of a radical sect of Skrulls trying to determine the extent and capabilities of Earth's superpowered beings. Once they have the lay of the land, the next step would be to manipulate that landscape to achieve their desired effect - a full-on Skrull invasion. This is true but it does seem to be a bit out there for Sharon to be revealed as both the powerbroker and then another surprise as a skrull What parts did you consider to be headcanon? Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:42:21 GMT 1
This is true but it does seem to be a bit out there for Sharon to be revealed as both the powerbroker and then another surprise as a skrull What parts did you consider to be headcanon? Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers? He's just theorizing, he didnt say it was canon. At some points he's just having fun with it. I mean, thats what the weapon plus program did ie create both heroes and villains
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 15:19:37 GMT 1
Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers? He's just theorizing, he didnt say it was canon. At some points he's just having fun with it. I mean, thats what the weapon plus program did ie create both heroes and villains I didn't accused him of saying anything was canon. Headcanon is speculation that is canonical to the speculator alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 21:27:32 GMT 1
He's just theorizing, he didnt say it was canon. At some points he's just having fun with it. I mean, thats what the weapon plus program did ie create both heroes and villains I didn't accused him of saying anything was canon. Headcanon is speculation that is canonical to the speculator alone. Ah, wasnt clear on the definition. I stand corrected
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 20, 2021 15:24:57 GMT 1
This is true but it does seem to be a bit out there for Sharon to be revealed as both the powerbroker and then another surprise as a skrull What parts did you consider to be headcanon? Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers? while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely.
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Post by maximura on Jul 20, 2021 15:34:52 GMT 1
Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers? while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. We have Iron Wars coming. I'd suspect Justin Hammer, possibly with Power Broker's assistance, launches many of those villains. I still hope to see Beetle out of that. With Kang looming, perhaps we can get Molecule Man, Dr. Doom could be around, and the multiverse stuff has all sorts of other potential implications. Sharon had too much respect for Peggy to be a full out villain or creator of them, in my mind. I'm sure whatever she is doing has some positive angles in addition to the intrigue we've seen so far. She may not be pure, but neither is Fury.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 20, 2021 15:43:52 GMT 1
while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. We have Iron Wars coming. I'd suspect Justin Hammer, possibly with Power Broker's assistance, launches many of those villains. I still hope to see Beetle out of that. With Kang looming, perhaps we can get Molecule Man, Dr. Doom could be around, and the multiverse stuff has all sorts of other potential implications. Sharon had too much respect for Peggy to be a full out villain or creator of them, in my mind. I'm sure whatever she is doing has some positive angles in addition to the intrigue we've seen so far. She may not be pure, but neither is Fury. Yeah Iron Wars has the feeling of a natural fit for her and her PB role. I’m going to hold off on predicting how villainous she turns out to be until we see her again. But I do expect to see her again
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2021 15:48:27 GMT 1
Everything after he says, "I have three theories..." is pretty much suspect. For example: Sharon Carter is the Power Broker. He freely acknowledges that Sharon Carter is the Power Broker, which is a conical fact established in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. He then goes on to immediately say he doesn't believe she is the Power Broker. He further theorizes that Sharon will create all of the new villains in the MCU to streamline introducing new villains. There won't be any more accidents or origin stories for them; the Power Broker will just give everyone their powers. That's just embarrassingly convoluted speculation that makes no sense (aka headcanon). Will the Power Broker give Kang his powers? while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. I think the writer's intentionally left her motivations and possible true identity vague. They basically teed up a villain for another writer to flesh out later on. So Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo right now. What she becomes, later on, will have a lot to do with the setup of Captain American 4, Secret Invasion, or maybe Hawkeye. There is potential for her to be a Skrull and get slotted into the Secret Invasion or even Ms. Marvel. Or, she could turn out to be a corrupt, human double agent who menaces street-level heroes by supplying serum to the highest bidder. Eric Pearson discussed setting up Yelena to go after xxxx at the end of Black Widow - somewhere down the line. He said he had no idea how it would turn out and that he felt sorry for the next writer who had to come along and pay it off. Sometimes, but not always, I think Marvel just does something because it's cool and not because they have it all worked out a decade in advance. A lot of the time, people overspeculate to solve a narrative problem that isn't there. Why would you need a singular mechanism to produce supervillains in the MCU? Even for just street-level villains? What is the benefit of disposing of good old-fashioned "accidents" and "experiments gone wrong?" How would a homogenous villain factory benefit the narrative?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2021 16:10:05 GMT 1
while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. We have Iron Wars coming. I'd suspect Justin Hammer, possibly with Power Broker's assistance, launches many of those villains. I still hope to see Beetle out of that. With Kang looming, perhaps we can get Molecule Man, Dr. Doom could be around, and the multiverse stuff has all sorts of other potential implications. Sharon had too much respect for Peggy to be a full out villain or creator of them, in my mind. I'm sure whatever she is doing has some positive angles in addition to the intrigue we've seen so far. She may not be pure, but neither is Fury. I sincerely hope Armor Wars maintains the premise of the original mini-series and its subsequent sequels. Basically, advanced Stark tech finds its way onto the black market, and armored villains, government contractors, and other heroes use it to raise their tech's efficiency and raw power. The Power Broker could be the one behind the corporate espionage, but it was initially a combination of Ghost and the Spymaster in the comic books and cartoon adaptation. I don't think she'll be distributing super-soldier serum to her buyers as it appears that the means to create new serum and the man who made it are both gone. She could develop a new, more potent derivative... Stark Wars, as it was originally titled, is a somewhat conservative-themed story arc. It revolves around corporate security, DRM, intellectual property rights, and the triumph of innovation via capitalism instead of other political systems that do not foster competition. Even in the movies, Tony goes out of his way not to share his technology with anyone unless it's several iterations below the cutting edge. I hope Disney can preserve some of that for this iteration of Armor Wars.
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Post by maximura on Jul 20, 2021 16:31:07 GMT 1
while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. I think the writer's intentionally left her motivations and possible true identity vague. They basically teed up a villain for another writer to flesh out later on. So Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo right now. What she becomes, later on, will have a lot to do with the setup of Captain American 4, Secret Invasion, or maybe Hawkeye. There is potential for her to be a Skrull and get slotted into the Secret Invasion or even Ms. Marvel. Or, she could turn out to be a corrupt, human double agent who menaces street-level heroes by supplying serum to the highest bidder. Eric Pearson discussed setting up Yelena to go after xxxx at the end of Black Widow - somewhere down the line. He said he had no idea how it would turn out and that he felt sorry for the next writer who had to come along and pay it off. Sometimes, but not always, I think Marvel just does something because it's cool and not because they have it all worked out a decade in advance. A lot of the time, people overspeculate to solve a narrative problem that isn't there. Why would you need a singular mechanism to produce supervillains in the MCU? Even for just street-level villains? What is the benefit of disposing of good old-fashioned "accidents" and "experiments gone wrong?" How would a homogenous villain factory benefit the narrative? Reminds me of the Pirates Jack Sparrow ,"do you think he planned it all out?", question every time he did crazy stuff that worked in his favor.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 20, 2021 18:12:21 GMT 1
while I’m not sure what’s up with Sharon, I feel like they surely have a plan for her. But just making all the villains feels not particularly likely. I think the writer's intentionally left her motivations and possible true identity vague. They basically teed up a villain for another writer to flesh out later on. So Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo right now. What she becomes, later on, will have a lot to do with the setup of Captain American 4, Secret Invasion, or maybe Hawkeye. There is potential for her to be a Skrull and get slotted into the Secret Invasion or even Ms. Marvel. Or, she could turn out to be a corrupt, human double agent who menaces street-level heroes by supplying serum to the highest bidder. Eric Pearson discussed setting up Yelena to go after xxxx at the end of Black Widow - somewhere down the line. He said he had no idea how it would turn out and that he felt sorry for the next writer who had to come along and pay it off. Sometimes, but not always, I think Marvel just does something because it's cool and not because they have it all worked out a decade in advance. A lot of the time, people overspeculate to solve a narrative problem that isn't there. Why would you need a singular mechanism to produce supervillains in the MCU? Even for just street-level villains? What is the benefit of disposing of good old-fashioned "accidents" and "experiments gone wrong?" How would a homogenous villain factory benefit the narrative? Youre likely right here, although my naive self hopes that they at least have a general direction of where something like Sharon would go. Not every detail but just a “if we make her PB we could find a way to use that here somehow” type of deal. I just have a little trouble that Feige gets back a script, that writer has just done whatever they wanted with any character and Feige just ties a giant mess of random ideas together eventually. But maybe not.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2021 18:49:34 GMT 1
I think the writer's intentionally left her motivations and possible true identity vague. They basically teed up a villain for another writer to flesh out later on. So Sharon is in a state of narrative limbo right now. What she becomes, later on, will have a lot to do with the setup of Captain American 4, Secret Invasion, or maybe Hawkeye. There is potential for her to be a Skrull and get slotted into the Secret Invasion or even Ms. Marvel. Or, she could turn out to be a corrupt, human double agent who menaces street-level heroes by supplying serum to the highest bidder. Eric Pearson discussed setting up Yelena to go after xxxx at the end of Black Widow - somewhere down the line. He said he had no idea how it would turn out and that he felt sorry for the next writer who had to come along and pay it off. Sometimes, but not always, I think Marvel just does something because it's cool and not because they have it all worked out a decade in advance. A lot of the time, people overspeculate to solve a narrative problem that isn't there. Why would you need a singular mechanism to produce supervillains in the MCU? Even for just street-level villains? What is the benefit of disposing of good old-fashioned "accidents" and "experiments gone wrong?" How would a homogenous villain factory benefit the narrative? Youre likely right here, although my naive self hopes that they at least have a general direction of where something like Sharon would go. Not every detail but just a “if we make her PB we could find a way to use that here somehow” type of deal. I just have a little trouble that Feige gets back a script, that writer has just done whatever they wanted with any character and Feige just ties a giant mess of random ideas together eventually. But maybe not. There's always a general direction, but there is also a sense of having a toolbox you can pull from when you need to. I used to ghostwrite bad sci-fi novels for people who delivered on an excellent first novel in a series but had nowhere to go narratively for the following 5 or 6 books they took an advance on. If you're talking to me at that juncture in your career, there are often feelings of inadequacy that have to be managed. But, before I spend the inevitable 2 to 3 hours pushing through a young writer's boozy tears over a troubled childhood, I always ask them to give me a summary of all of the story assets in their toolbox we have to work with. And assets could be anything from a mysterious character, a named location that hasn't been fleshed out, or an unresolved/ill-defined plot point. I'm typically looking for something I can build on to help move the story along and keep things interesting. Assets are pieces you keep in reserve for the moment that they'll have the most impact on your story later on. I see Sharon Sharon, in her current unresolved form, as a story asset. I guess my background and particular writing methods dictate how I see this specific situation. Who knows, maybe Feige does have it all planned out up until the day of his death. That said, in the writing and story development process, sometimes you leave a dangle because you've reached a good stopping point, and you've sufficiently resolved the main story, but you still want to keep people interested. You also want to give people a reason to keep watching or reading - even though you may not have a clue how you're going to address an ambiguous situation.
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