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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 26, 2020 12:32:34 GMT 1
Lets talk about The Falcon and the Winter Soldier here
[countdown:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier =March 19 2021 9:00 AM+1]Stream The Falcon and the Winter Soldier on Disney+[/countdown]
Here are the trailers
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 3, 2020 20:32:41 GMT 1
when will it come out?
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Post by Grandmaster on May 3, 2020 20:44:09 GMT 1
Officially Fall 2020. There was a rumor of an August release. But since they havent finished filming yet I wonder if they are going to make that.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 3, 2020 20:49:00 GMT 1
Officially Fall 2020. There was a rumor of an August release. But since they havent finished filming yet I wonder if they are going to make that. OIC, thanks
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 2:04:46 GMT 1
EXCLUSIVE: ‘THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER’ Set Photos Give A Closer Look at Madripoor link
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Post by Grandmaster on May 9, 2020 7:12:54 GMT 1
Czech Republic opens up again for filming. So they can finish this show on time for its August release.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 13, 2020 9:45:18 GMT 1
Shall we hold a watch party for this show?
They will drop one episode a week. Probably somewhere in August they start. We could pick a moment where we all watch together and post on Sakaar at the same time.
So who's in? After we have enough people we can determine a time we start watching together.
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Post by Nightman on May 17, 2020 1:38:56 GMT 1
Shall we hold a watch party for this show? They will drop one episode a week. Probably somewhere in August they start. We could pick a moment where we all watch together and post on Sakaar at the same time. So who's in? After we have enough people we can determine a time we start watching together. This is a good idea. I don't stream, but I love spoilers. It'll hold me until I stumble across the DVDs.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 17, 2020 2:06:02 GMT 1
YOU MIGHT TRIP AND FALL !!!!1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 9:37:59 GMT 1
Falcon and Winter Soldier star Anthony Mackie says there’s “very little stuff” left to film link
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2020 18:23:52 GMT 1
I love Sam, don’t get me wrong, and I love the idea of Sam earning the mantle of Captain America. But ever since he was given that shield I’ve felt far too many fans jumped the gun in calling him Captain America, instead of waiting for the actual moment he earns it.
And I couldn’t quite put my finger on how to express why I felt that way,,, until now.
Steve Rogers saves the world from WW2. He dove on a grenade, he went one on one VS Ultron with people telling him he had no chance, he beat Iron Man, he stood up to Thanos, and he’s led the Avengers because of the universal respect he holds.
Sam on the other hand, has lost to both Spiderman and Ant Man.
Now again, I’m not saying Sam isn’t worthy, because he is. His character has evolved and he will have that moment where he shows the world he is worthy of the title of Captain America by earning the world’s respect and gratitude. But that moment hasn’t arrived yet. It will, but we really need to be patient and let it happen.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 25, 2020 15:16:54 GMT 1
Agreed, but under those criteria literally, no one has earned the right to be Captain America.
You have to ask yourselves whether the deeds come before the title or vice versa.
Falcon and Winter Soldier is on the right trajectory with the plot device of introducing a new government-backed and fully sanctioned Captain America. The thematic struggle becomes for the soul of the mantle. Is Cap a free agent, a tool for achieving objectives of national security, or a meaningless symbol to appease the masses?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 26, 2020 18:19:22 GMT 1
Agreed, but under those criteria literally, no one has earned the right to be Captain America. You have to ask yourselves whether the deeds come before the title or vice versa. Falcon and Winter Soldier is on the right trajectory with the plot device of introducing a new government-backed and fully sanctioned Captain America. The thematic struggle becomes for the soul of the mantle. Is Cap a free agent, a tool for achieving objectives of national security, or a meaningless symbol to appease the masses? good question but IMO the deeds come before the title. The title is earned by those deeds, otherwise it’s just an in name only title. USAgent if they call him Captain America will be a hollow version to appease the masses. Sam, presumably, will complete the deeds required to actually return meaning to that title.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 2:02:53 GMT 1
Anthony Mackie Says ‘Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Is Like a Six-Hour Marvel Movie
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 29, 2020 3:49:54 GMT 1
Anthony Mackie Says ‘Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Is Like a Six-Hour Marvel Movie
link I read somebody who had a great line. Marvel has a film series that works like a television show and television shows that feel like movies.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 29, 2020 4:21:21 GMT 1
Never seen it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:49:21 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 6, 2020 16:10:52 GMT 1
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 6, 2020 22:47:53 GMT 1
I imagine this show will feature the two of them arguing and then getting along quite a lot. I can already see certain people online 'shipping' them. Balcon? Fuc--?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 7, 2020 1:55:24 GMT 1
I imagine this show will feature the two of them arguing and then getting along quite a lot. I can already see certain people online 'shipping' them. Balcon? Fuc--? I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same?
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 15, 2020 0:01:04 GMT 1
I imagine this show will feature the two of them arguing and then getting along quite a lot. I can already see certain people online 'shipping' them. Balcon? Fuc--? I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same? Sorry for not replying sooner, arararchstanton. I wasn't ignoring your post, I was just trying to think of what I could say that wouldn't 'offend' anyone out there who ships these^ two. No, I don't understand it either. It's like some people out there can't see two male characters interact, bicker, then be friends without thinking there's some 'sexual tension' or whatever. It's the same deal with mortal enemies who clearly HATE each other and yet some people are like "Just KISS already!". Um...no, sometimes hate is just that - hate, and not unresolved sexual tension. I never understand why people would want enemies who've tried to kill each other and done other horrible stuff getting together. But I digress. One of the worst examples I've seen of two male characters being 'shipped' together who really shouldn't have been is Steve Rogers/Captain America and Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier ('Stucky' is their ship name, I believe). Why can't they just be two really good friends who'd do anything for each other but NOT be paired romantically? Are all male friendships now to be interpreted as them wanting to be more than friends? The worst part was certain people online seemed to believe so fully in their made-up pairing of 'Stucky' that when Steve returned to the actual love of his life, Peggy Carter, they got all riled up and acted like the movie writers had 'betrayed' them somehow. Nevermind the fact that everything we saw of Steve indicated he was only into women. No, some people talked themselves into believing their own 'headcanon' they'd made up so much that anything that didn't fall into line with that was seen as a 'betrayal' or 'lie'. As if I wasn't already happy enough with Steve's ending, the fact that it ticked off those people made it even sweeter.
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 15, 2020 5:25:01 GMT 1
I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same? Sorry for not replying sooner, arararchstanton. I wasn't ignoring your post, I was just trying to think of what I could say that wouldn't 'offend' anyone out there who ships these^ two. No, I don't understand it either. It's like some people out there can't see two male characters interact, bicker, then be friends without thinking there's some 'sexual tension' or whatever. It's the same deal with mortal enemies who clearly HATE each other and yet some people are like "Just KISS already!". Um...no, sometimes hate is just that - hate, and not unresolved sexual tension. I never understand why people would want enemies who've tried to kill each other and done other horrible stuff getting together. But I digress. One of the worst examples I've seen of two male characters being 'shipped' together who really shouldn't have been is Steve Rogers/Captain America and Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier ('Stucky' is their ship name, I believe). Why can't they just be two really good friends who'd do anything for each other but NOT be paired romantically? Are all male friendships now to be interpreted as them wanting to be more than friends? The worst part was certain people online seemed to believe so fully in their made-up pairing of 'Stucky' that when Steve returned to the actual love of his life, Peggy Carter, they got all riled up and acted like the movie writers had 'betrayed' them somehow. Nevermind the fact that everything we saw of Steve indicated he was only into women. No, some people talked themselves into believing their own 'headcanon' they'd made up so much that anything that didn't fall into line with that was seen as a 'betrayal' or 'lie'. As if I wasn't already happy enough with Steve's ending, the fact that it ticked off those people made it even sweeter. Agreed 100%. It was so annoying reading people saying they hated Endgame's ending because Steve left Bucky for Peggy. There is even a worse ship in the MCU. Carol and Valkyre. Ever since Captain Marvel came out 15 year old lesbians have been puahing that on twitter. Tessa Thompson and Brie Larson are actually playing along. So I can see the backlash already if or when Carol ends up with Rhodey.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 15, 2020 6:57:47 GMT 1
Sorry for not replying sooner, arararchstanton. I wasn't ignoring your post, I was just trying to think of what I could say that wouldn't 'offend' anyone out there who ships these^ two. No, I don't understand it either. It's like some people out there can't see two male characters interact, bicker, then be friends without thinking there's some 'sexual tension' or whatever. It's the same deal with mortal enemies who clearly HATE each other and yet some people are like "Just KISS already!". Um...no, sometimes hate is just that - hate, and not unresolved sexual tension. I never understand why people would want enemies who've tried to kill each other and done other horrible stuff getting together. But I digress. One of the worst examples I've seen of two male characters being 'shipped' together who really shouldn't have been is Steve Rogers/Captain America and Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier ('Stucky' is their ship name, I believe). Why can't they just be two really good friends who'd do anything for each other but NOT be paired romantically? Are all male friendships now to be interpreted as them wanting to be more than friends? The worst part was certain people online seemed to believe so fully in their made-up pairing of 'Stucky' that when Steve returned to the actual love of his life, Peggy Carter, they got all riled up and acted like the movie writers had 'betrayed' them somehow. Nevermind the fact that everything we saw of Steve indicated he was only into women. No, some people talked themselves into believing their own 'headcanon' they'd made up so much that anything that didn't fall into line with that was seen as a 'betrayal' or 'lie'. As if I wasn't already happy enough with Steve's ending, the fact that it ticked off those people made it even sweeter. Agreed 100%. It was so annoying reading people saying they hated Endgame's ending because Steve left Bucky for Peggy. There is even a worse ship in the MCU. Carol and Valkyre. Ever since Captain Marvel came out 15 year old lesbians have been puahing that on twitter. Tessa Thompson and Brie Larson are actually playing along. So I can see the backlash already if or when Carol ends up with Rhodey. Well, if the actresses are encouraging it, then they really have no one to blame but themselves if people get mad when it doesn't pan out that way. It's a different case with Steve/Bucky, as we were never shown anything to indicate they were more than good friends. It was made clear that Steve and Peggy were a thing (as if him holding onto that watch with her photo in it wasn't enough of an indicator that he never got over her) and everyone seemed to wish they'd had that dance at the end of CA: TFA...but then when it actually happened at the end of Avengers: Endgame, certain people seemed to suddenly turn on the idea of Steve/Peggy finally being together. It's like they only enjoyed them as a pairing when they thought it impossible they could be together. The ending of the movie made it possible and suddenly they're pissed because they don't get their fantasy 'Stucky' pairing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 12:47:31 GMT 1
Damn I fell for the bait, says nothing about his pivotal role lol
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 21, 2020 13:58:26 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 0:54:53 GMT 1
I imagine this show will feature the two of them arguing and then getting along quite a lot. I can already see certain people online 'shipping' them. Balcon? Fuc--? I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same? a big pile...wow...omg there is so much wrong with that... but then again, i'd have a four-some with Bucky, Cap and Hawkeye.... well fine...carry on.....
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Post by Nightman on Nov 17, 2020 14:15:10 GMT 1
I imagine this show will feature the two of them arguing and then getting along quite a lot. I can already see certain people online 'shipping' them. Balcon? Fuc--? I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same? Yaoi (male/male shipping) is very popular with a lot of women. Why, I dunno. But according to what I can tell from analyzing fandoms, people don't just randomly assign characters together. They like to ship based on actor/character chemistry on screen and character chemistry in books. Sometimes, the characters with the best chemistry are the same gender, sometimes they aren't. When people ship, they throw things like sexual preferences to the wind and base their shipping on chemistry. And honestly, fan shipping is usually right. Stories almost always go with the safer, usually hetero option, so the shippers often end up disappointed. I can see why Steve and Bucky are shipped together. Platonic friends don't normally do the sht for each other that Steve pulled for Bucky; people go that far for lovers and family members, not regular friends. But they don't understand that Steve isn't normal, he would tear the world apart for his friends. And too few realize that Peggy isn't the normal generic love interest, she's badass in her own right. If Peggy had not been sidelined for most of the movies, and/or her show had been more popular, the reaction would have been different.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2020 14:52:46 GMT 1
I feel like the thing that never gets mentioned here is that Bucky isn’t just a friend. He’s one of the last pieces of Steve’s past. That’s what’s at stake here.
I have this sci fi idea about having a person volunteer to be frozen and wake up every 50 years as a living witness to the past. Imagine what that would be like. 50 years from now when nearly everyone’s gone. And then 100 when the world has changed beyond recognition. And then 150 and 200 etc etc as it becomes something you never imagined. What wouldn’t you do to hold on to the few things that reminded you of a home you could never go back to?
In addition to saving a soldier he lost, and we saw what he did to rescue POWs, it’s about honor and duty.
So the idea of shipping them, to me always felt like it completely missed the deep psychology of what’s going on here.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 17, 2020 19:24:55 GMT 1
I never understood shipping like this At the risk of being offensive, is that like a gay thing? If it is, cool, it just wouldn’t be something I get. I mean, I ship every woman in the MCU basically. Like all of them. In a big pile. Is that kinda the same? Yaoi (male/male shipping) is very popular with a lot of women. Why, I dunno. But according to what I can tell from analyzing fandoms, people don't just randomly assign characters together. They like to ship based on actor/character chemistry on screen and character chemistry in books. Sometimes, the characters with the best chemistry are the same gender, sometimes they aren't. When people ship, they throw things like sexual preferences to the wind and base their shipping on chemistry. And honestly, fan shipping is usually right. Stories almost always go with the safer, usually hetero option, so the shippers often end up disappointed. I can see why Steve and Bucky are shipped together. Platonic friends don't normally do the sht for each other that Steve pulled for Bucky; people go that far for lovers and family members, not regular friends. But they don't understand that Steve isn't normal, he would tear the world apart for his friends. And too few realize that Peggy isn't the normal generic love interest, she's badass in her own right. If Peggy had not been sidelined for most of the movies, and/or her show had been more popular, the reaction would have been different. I've made the long journey from outright demonizing shipping to tolerating it. It took concerted effort to reach out to that segment of the fandom that enjoys shipping to understand their motivations and who they are as people. We have to acknowledge that shipping is primarily the domain of the LGBTQ community, women, and young people who are typically romantically/sexually inexperienced. As fans, I think we all project ourselves into the stories somehow, and shipping, I suppose, is no different from wishing you were a super soldier or could breathe underwater? I think most anti-shipping fans are bothered by shipping because, for a lot of us (meaning mostly men), it transports us back to an awkward time in our young-adult development. Shipping has the quality of adolescent romantic fantasies where you imagine what it would be like to be with someone you like. You're omnipotent in those fantasies, and the object of your affection says and acts out whatever you desire. I'm not saying shipping is exactly like that, but it is dangerously close to it. On the more positive side, shipping seems to be an increasingly effective way for the LGBTQ community to secure representation in corporate-controlled fictional media. I somehow assumed that gay people preferred not to engage with typical heteronormative storytelling. As I read Captain America, I assumed a gay person was reading 'Captain Queer' comics and loving them - a naïve and perhaps ill-informed assumption, I know. It doesn't help that my first exposure to the movement was mostly on Tumblr, a shipper's paradise and new mecha for softcore anime porn.
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