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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 21:51:14 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura , and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months. If you put aside the numbers and asymmetrical comparisons, I think the bottom line is that the Snyder Cut is a moderate success. It met its business objectives, and devotees were primarily pleased by the improved direction and revised storyline. You can't really compare a recut and expanded version of a previously theatrically released film to a single forty-minute episode of content from a competitor. You also can't compare it to the sequel to a highly regarded solo-superhero film franchise. The questions that interest me revolve around WarnerMedia's strategic thinking on the Snyder Cut. Were their business objectives sound, to begin with? Casual moviegoers were likely left out of the conversation since #ReleaseTheSnyderCut's inception, so it's not surprising that they didn't show up in droves to watch it. A four-hour-long film would have been daunting to all but the most deeply devout. The Snyder Cut supposedly cost $70 million to make. That comes to roughly 11 million dollars per episode if it were a streaming show. Typical high-budget streaming shows are clocking in at $15 - $25 million per episode. Expanding on the Snyder Cut was likely cheaper than funding and developing a new DC HBO Max show in the short term. This leads to my questions around strategy, are any of the announced DC shows for HBO Max any further along in development than when they were initially announced? Have they assembled writer's rooms? Have showrunners been chosen? Has pre-production begun? Has there been any casting news? Would the $70 million have been better spent looking towards the future and not revisiting the past? I'd have likely made a documentary about Justice League with Joss, Zack, and the rest of the cast, and some of the executives involved (instead of releasing a four-movie that ends on a cliff-hanger). It would be framed as a tell-all where everyone gets to outline what happened and articulate their alternate vision of the film. I would have pocketed the difference in cost between that and the Snyder Cut and moved full speed ahead on new content. The Snyder Cut itself would wait until HBO Max was in better shape subscription-wise with a stronger international base. It has been suggested numerous times that the Justice League film would have always only made about $600 million in 2017, regardless of whose version hit theaters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 21:52:38 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura , and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months. I get the feeling I probably don't wanna hop on Twitter today.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 25, 2021 22:00:51 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura , and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months. I get the feeling I probably don't wanna hop on Twitter today. It's never a good day to go on Twitter. That said, Snyder Cut fans and HBO Max supporters are rightfully celebrating their victory over there. It's always a good thing when the fans get what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 22:10:53 GMT 1
I get the feeling I probably don't wanna hop on Twitter today. It's never a good day to go on Twitter. That said, Snyder Cut fans and HBO Max supporters are rightfully celebrating their victory over there. It's always a good thing when the fans get what they want. Depends on the fans. Snyderites are some of the meanest people I've ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 26, 2021 17:48:03 GMT 1
These guys are really getting aggressive...
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 26, 2021 21:28:40 GMT 1
These guys are really getting aggressive... My first thought was out of date. You'd think the Zack Snyder Justice League was the restoration of that universe, so I don't really know what else there is to do/ask for. It didn't look to me like a film that was just getting started. It even has an epilogue.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 26, 2021 21:53:49 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 0:52:03 GMT 1
Lol rookie mistake Bats/Snyder Zack Snyder's Justice League ACCIDENTALLY Reveals Superman's Secret Identity to the World link
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 28, 2021 1:39:06 GMT 1
Lol rookie mistake Bats/Snyder Zack Snyder's Justice League ACCIDENTALLY Reveals Superman's Secret Identity to the World linkI saw that. It would have been great if he realized what he did then improvised. Come back Clark Johnson we need you!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 2:12:36 GMT 1
So the Snyder Cult is spamming "#BoycottTheSuicideSquad" as a leverage "#RestoreTheSnyderVerse". Yeah, because boycotting a movie he's the executive producer for is TOTALLY GOING TO HELP HIM CONTINUE TO MAKE DC MOVIES.
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Post by josephjoestar1 on Mar 28, 2021 8:20:28 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall good Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version.
8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high).
As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion.
Also it managed to improve Batman v Superman at the same time.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 17:44:42 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall good Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version. 8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high). As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion. Also it managed to improve Batman v Superman at the same time. With all respect towards differing opinions, my own is that putting this in the league of Avengers films is exceedingly generous. For starters I'd point out the very base motivation for the villains. You can pick any villain out of the MCU, from Hela, to Ego, to Alexander Pierce, Vulture, and Whiplash. All of them had a backstory. Even Malekith has an established history. In the Avengers films specifically, Thanos has a deeply rooted need for what he's doing, Loki was all about proving himself outside of his adopted family, and Ultron had a very clearly established rationale. But I have no idea why Steppenwolf is being punished, or how they forgot where the Anti-Life equation was, or what their motivation is for doing any of this. Character wise? JL developed it's main characters in a solid way, so that's all well and good, but IMO Avengers has a far more fleshed out world. Governments are involved, there are calls by citizens to control what's going on, larger repercussions exist for decisions that are made, etc. But in JL's 4 hours, not much of the rest of the world seems to care what's going on, so Avengers feels like a more lived in world. Lastly, I keep coming back to the economy of the shot. Avengers uses all of their sequences to establish character, powers, and circumstance all together. Even fight scenes aren't just fight scenes, they're narrative focused. This comes up in both Infinity War and Endgame most prominently. But I nearly guarantee I could edit at least 90 minutes out of ZSJL without losing a beat, and I think I'm actually going to give that a shot. It's a good movie, on a second attempt, with knowledge from feedback on what wasn't working. And it's well shot. Looks great, don't get me wrong. But it's not on the quality level of any Avengers films in terms of narrative and scope.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 17:48:50 GMT 1
Well there's obviously something odd going on. It was practically equal to F&WS in terms of actual views, so to say it's got more tweets than Endgame just means that somebody(s) with a zack tramp stamp stayed up all night on twitter doing crack ;-)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 17:57:08 GMT 1
That's actually just cringe - We know full well it wouldn't have come close to Endgame box office numbers - So just ask yourself what's going on here? - It's pretty clear a sizable number of the cult are sitting around tweeting hashtags because they want to make this look more popular than it is. - It's a prime example of why Twitter doesn't reflect reality more than anything
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 28, 2021 20:20:03 GMT 1
Jody's Corner speaks out on the Snyder Cut cult... 'forgives' Dan Murrell, declared Ann Sarnoff "hero" of the empire. 'Fight' will continue... #RejectTheSnyderCult
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 28, 2021 20:38:27 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 20:39:32 GMT 1
Jody's Corner speaks out on the Snyder Cut cult... 'forgives' Dan Murrell, declared Ann Sarnoff "hero" of the empire. 'Fight' will continue... #RejectTheSnyderCult yeah. Basically if you’re still sitting around bragging about how many tweets it has, move on. Seriously it’s done, let’s move on. It’s done way more harm than good. Let’s go “Since Man of Steel came out” sing it brother. Sorry, this is how shitty the snydercult is. They have held this franchise down because they’re too insecure to admit it’s been a bunch of crap and Zack needed to go after film 1. Instead, that insecurity made them double down, proclaiming it the GREATEST, because they just couldn’t stand playing second fiddle. And now you’ve got a mess. A massive mess, and instead of finally figuring it out, noooooo we’ve got more demands to continue. Get over it. Move the F on. Good grief, it’s enough already.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 28, 2021 22:58:17 GMT 1
Jody's Corner speaks out on the Snyder Cut cult... 'forgives' Dan Murrell, declared Ann Sarnoff "hero" of the empire. 'Fight' will continue... #RejectTheSnyderCult yeah. Basically if you’re still sitting around bragging about how many tweets it has, move on. Seriously it’s done, let’s move on. It’s done way more harm than good. Let’s go “Since Man of Steel came out” sing it brother. Sorry, this is how shitty the snydercult is. They have held this franchise down because they’re too insecure to admit it’s been a bunch of crap and Zack needed to go after film 1. Instead, that insecurity made them double down, proclaiming it the GREATEST, because they just couldn’t stand playing second fiddle. And now you’ve got a mess. A massive mess, and instead of finally figuring it out, noooooo we’ve got more demands to continue. Get over it. Move the F on. Good grief, it’s enough already. And the truly sad part is that they were willing to gnaw off their hand to keep Snyder's hellish vision going. When James Gunn debuted the Suicide Squad trailer on Twitter; the FOURTH comment was from #RestoreTheSnydercut. It essentially said. 'we love you, James but, we can't look at anything from DC until the Snyderverse is restored. They're willing to keep the entire DC franchise from progressing to support one self-important and narcissistic director. I'm glad that Snyder got to finish his work, but he is far from the Alpha and Omega of the DC Cinematic universe. Nolan was far more coherent and original.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 23:16:59 GMT 1
yeah. Basically if you’re still sitting around bragging about how many tweets it has, move on. Seriously it’s done, let’s move on. It’s done way more harm than good. Let’s go “Since Man of Steel came out” sing it brother. Sorry, this is how shitty the snydercult is. They have held this franchise down because they’re too insecure to admit it’s been a bunch of crap and Zack needed to go after film 1. Instead, that insecurity made them double down, proclaiming it the GREATEST, because they just couldn’t stand playing second fiddle. And now you’ve got a mess. A massive mess, and instead of finally figuring it out, noooooo we’ve got more demands to continue. Get over it. Move the F on. Good grief, it’s enough already. And the truly sad part is that they were willing to gnaw off their hand to keep Snyder's hellish vision going. When James Gunn debuted the Suicide Squad trailer on Twitter; the FOURTH comment was from #RestoreTheSnydercut. It essentially said. 'we love you, James but, we can't look at anything from DC until the Snyderverse is restored. They're willing to keep the entire DC franchise from progressing to support one self-important and narcissistic director. I'm glad that Snyder got to finish his work, but he is far from the Alpha and Omega of the DC Cinematic universe. Nolan was far more coherent and original. The Snyder cult is the problem I’m taking a stand. If you’re posting to restore the snyderverse, you’re an asshole
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 23:29:27 GMT 1
And the truly sad part is that they were willing to gnaw off their hand to keep Snyder's hellish vision going. When James Gunn debuted the Suicide Squad trailer on Twitter; the FOURTH comment was from #RestoreTheSnydercut. It essentially said. 'we love you, James but, we can't look at anything from DC until the Snyderverse is restored. They're willing to keep the entire DC franchise from progressing to support one self-important and narcissistic director. I'm glad that Snyder got to finish his work, but he is far from the Alpha and Omega of the DC Cinematic universe. Nolan was far more coherent and original. The Snyder cult is the problem I’m taking a stand. If you’re posting to restore the snyderverse, you’re an asshole I can tell you and Judgejosephdredd on Knowhere will be butting heads in the future.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 23:31:30 GMT 1
The Snyder cult is the problem I’m taking a stand. If you’re posting to restore the snyderverse, you’re an asshole I can tell you and Judgejosephdredd on Knowhere will be butting heads in the future. it’s simply problematic at this point. No doubt about it. Give it up. Get over it. It’s done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 23:35:45 GMT 1
I can tell you and Judgejosephdredd on Knowhere will be butting heads in the future. it’s simply problematic at this point. No doubt about it. Give it up. Get over it. It’s done. I agree.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 29, 2021 4:30:31 GMT 1
Sick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 4:51:20 GMT 1
Oh, yeah, I saw that. This kind of crap is what got them The Snyder Cut, so they're diving right back in with pretending to care about other people.
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Post by Grandmaster on Mar 29, 2021 6:40:30 GMT 1
#RestoretheSnyderverse? Why? As a fan of DC you should want to get better movies. Snyder's best movie is Man of Steel and thats mediocre at best. Why do DC fans have such low bars set for themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 7:28:14 GMT 1
#RestoretheSnyderverse? Why? As a fan of DC you should want to get better movies. Snyder's best movie is Man of Steel and thats mediocre at best. Why do DC fans have such low bars set for themselves? Speaking as one of the few apparent DC fans who does want better, I concur.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 29, 2021 17:35:53 GMT 1
THIS, is prime time Snyder Cult The level of disgusting obsession behind this. The complete denial of how wrecked it’s been by proclaiming it as divine. It’s gross guys. It’s gross
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 29, 2021 18:48:17 GMT 1
THIS, is prime time Snyder Cult The level of disgusting obsession behind this. The complete denial of how wrecked it’s been by proclaiming it as divine. It’s gross guys. It’s gross It's disgusting. People casually throw around the phrase 'taking fandom too seriously' when attempting to belittle those of us who are interested in the analysis of the creative and business side of making a CBM. They have little or nothing to say about deep-end radicalism like this in fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 23:20:49 GMT 1
So desperate lol. This is what happens when you give in to crazies
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