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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 5:34:03 GMT 1
Archie, you’re alright! I’m no defender of the DCEU. I just don’t really go in for all the fandom vs fandom stuff. I know you always have a good natured spirit about this stuff though. And I’ve always appreciated that. That's exactly what a defender of the DCEU would say. By Zeus, KAPOW! I think you’re right! To the Snyder-Mobile! *Our Theme Song Plays* Lyrics to the KAPOW THEME SONG: Who’s the man that strikes like lightning? KAPOW! KAPOW! KA POW POW POW Who is his side kick that’s always fighting (with Weird Raptor and Lord Death Man)? ACKBAR ACKBAR ACKBAR is KAPOWING! KA POW POW POW
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 5:35:15 GMT 1
Archie, you’re alright! I’m no defender of the DCEU. I just don’t really go in for all the fandom vs fandom stuff. I know you always have a good natured spirit about this stuff though. And I’ve always appreciated that. Ive always viewed my deep seeded psychopathic hatred of works of fiction as analytical. I’m a Freudian. So I suspect it is sexual in nature.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 23, 2021 5:37:04 GMT 1
That's exactly what a defender of the DCEU would say. By Zeus, KAPOW! I think you’re right! To the Snyder-Mobile! *Our Theme Song Plays* Lyrics to the KAPOW THEME SONG: Who’s the man that strikes like lightning? KAPOW! KAPOW! KA POW POW POW Who is his side kick that’s always fighting (with Weird Raptor and Lord Death Man)? ACKBAR ACKBAR ACKBAR is KAPOWING! KA POW POW POW
KA POW POW POW!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 5:38:06 GMT 1
By Zeus, KAPOW! I think you’re right! To the Snyder-Mobile! *Our Theme Song Plays* Lyrics to the KAPOW THEME SONG: Who’s the man that strikes like lightning? KAPOW! KAPOW! KA POW POW POW Who is his side kick that’s always fighting (with Weird Raptor and Lord Death Man)? ACKBAR ACKBAR ACKBAR is KAPOWING! KA POW POW POW
KA POW POW POW!Catchy, no? I know I’ll be humming it all week!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 23, 2021 5:41:08 GMT 1
Catchy, no? I know I’ll be humming it all week!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 6:33:42 GMT 1
Yes Looks like we have some numbers in!! View AttachmentSo. What do we think? I’m skipping the $ for a moment because IMO we can really only count subscription $ and that’s a whole can of worms. But the number of viewers. According to this 4,554,000. Now there’s people in each house who didn’t watch but also extra people who came over to watch with friends, so I think we should just take the number at face value. The $ value they list is interesting for perspective on an opening theater weekend. Obviously it’s much lower than you’d expect for an opening weekend in theaters which means the viewership is lower by a commensurate %. Roughly 1/4 of maybe what the could have expected from a normal theatrical release Any thoughts on what this means, long term viewership? Any other sources reporting? Or how you’d calculate profitability? Not the kind of numbers you wanna be looking at for the opening weekend of your big crossover event.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 23, 2021 9:13:48 GMT 1
Ive always viewed my deep seeded psychopathic hatred of works of fiction as analytical. I’m a Freudian. So I suspect it is sexual in nature. It is. There are chickens and everything
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 23, 2021 16:28:16 GMT 1
Yes Looks like we have some numbers in!! (BIG PAUSE ON THIS THOUGH. IN FAIRNESS I DID SOME CHECKING AND OTHER ACTUAL NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP. HOWEVER IS IS CURRENTLY LESS THAN WW84’s ESTIMATE FOR COMPARISON) View AttachmentSo. What do we think? I’m skipping the $ for a moment because IMO we can really only count subscription $ and that’s a whole can of worms. But the number of viewers. According to this is 4,554,000. Now there’s people in each house who didn’t watch but also extra people who came over to watch with friends, so I think we should just take the number at face value. The $ value they list is interesting for perspective on an opening theater weekend. Obviously it’s much lower than you’d expect for an opening weekend in theaters which means the viewership is lower by a commensurate %. Roughly 1/4 of maybe what the could have expected from a normal theatrical release Any thoughts on what this means, long term viewership? Any other sources reporting? Or how you’d calculate profitability? If we have to use the box office comparison to determine how well the film performed financially, it's worth mentioning that the theatrical version opened to $93,842,239 in 2017. In all fairness, that movie was half the runtime of the 2021 behemoth. Even if you halve the 2017 film's opening weekend earnings, it still pulls ahead of its counterpart (although not by a staggering amount). I heard the Snyder Cut crashed HBO Max. I suspect that would have been easier to do that one might think - one again - given the length of the film. It's easier to create a streaming traffic jam with a four-hour movie. I'd be curious to know how much of the opening weekend figure is "new subscriptions." The #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign needed to focus on the following to succeed (in their goal to continue the Snyder universe). 1. Encourage new HBO Max signups/activations the weekend of release. 2. Encourage per-person viewing and not group viewing. 3. Convince casual audiences that it was worth their time to watch a four movie. And if you're counting minutes watched, it's a staggering 1,092,960,000 thus far.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 23, 2021 16:53:46 GMT 1
Yes Looks like we have some numbers in!! (BIG PAUSE ON THIS THOUGH. IN FAIRNESS I DID SOME CHECKING AND OTHER ACTUAL NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP. HOWEVER IS IS CURRENTLY LESS THAN WW84’s ESTIMATE FOR COMPARISON) View AttachmentSo. What do we think? I’m skipping the $ for a moment because IMO we can really only count subscription $ and that’s a whole can of worms. But the number of viewers. According to this is 4,554,000. Now there’s people in each house who didn’t watch but also extra people who came over to watch with friends, so I think we should just take the number at face value. The $ value they list is interesting for perspective on an opening theater weekend. Obviously it’s much lower than you’d expect for an opening weekend in theaters which means the viewership is lower by a commensurate %. Roughly 1/4 of maybe what the could have expected from a normal theatrical release Any thoughts on what this means, long term viewership? Any other sources reporting? Or how you’d calculate profitability? If we have to use the box office comparison to determine how well the film performed financially, it's worth mentioning that the theatrical version opened to $93,842,239 in 2017. In all fairness, that movie was half the runtime of the 2021 behemoth. Even if you halve the 2017 film's opening weekend earnings, it still pulls ahead of its counterpart (although not by a staggering amount). I heard the Snyder Cut crashed HBO Max. I suspect that would have been easier to do that one might think - one again - given the length of the film. It's easier to create a streaming traffic jam with a four-hour movie. I'd be curious to know how much of the opening weekend figure is "new subscriptions." The #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign needed to focus on the following to succeed (in their goal to continue the Snyder universe). 1. Encourage new HBO Max signups/activations the weekend of release. 2. Encourage per-person viewing and not group viewing. 3. Convince casual audiences that it was worth their time to watch a four movie. And if you're counting minutes watched, it's a staggering 1,092,960,000 thus far. Yes and I did discover this report is not a full accounting. I’m not sure why they’d post partial numbers. I don’t know what good that does but it will be interesting to see when any actual estimate does hit.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 23, 2021 18:56:23 GMT 1
If we have to use the box office comparison to determine how well the film performed financially, it's worth mentioning that the theatrical version opened to $93,842,239 in 2017. In all fairness, that movie was half the runtime of the 2021 behemoth. Even if you halve the 2017 film's opening weekend earnings, it still pulls ahead of its counterpart (although not by a staggering amount). I heard the Snyder Cut crashed HBO Max. I suspect that would have been easier to do that one might think - one again - given the length of the film. It's easier to create a streaming traffic jam with a four-hour movie. I'd be curious to know how much of the opening weekend figure is "new subscriptions." The #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign needed to focus on the following to succeed (in their goal to continue the Snyder universe). 1. Encourage new HBO Max signups/activations the weekend of release. 2. Encourage per-person viewing and not group viewing. 3. Convince casual audiences that it was worth their time to watch a four movie. And if you're counting minutes watched, it's a staggering 1,092,960,000 thus far. Yes and I did discover this report is not a full accounting. I’m not sure why they’d post partial numbers. I don’t know what good that does but it will be interesting to see when any actual estimate does hit. In many ways, the Snyder Cut has already done what it needed to do for HBO Max. WarnerMedia has let DC fans know that all DC content is destined to end up on HBO Max one way or the other. The now-defunct DC Universe streaming service costs half as much as HBO Max. If you wanted to see DC content and didn't care about anything else on HBO, the cost increase is a bitter pill to swallow. The chance to get lengthy exclusive cuts makes that more palatable I guess.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 23, 2021 20:13:41 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 23, 2021 20:30:09 GMT 1
I was pretty impressed! Didn't see that coming! This movie actually feels like it exists on purpose. Almost everything I've disliked for years was improved upon. Cyborg has a character, a purpose and a soul. Flash was irritating for a minute in the pet shop but that was over pretty soon. Ben Affleck's Batman even seemed more relaxed, more into it. Wonder Woman is still Wonder Woman but the CGI leans into animated violence instead of trying to jam her physics into real world physics. The CGI and action were a big improvement. It somehow managed to remain a lot without being excessive.
This time the villain had a point. I almost laughed at this spurned henchman with a dad complex because characters like him (in my opinion) work better as mindless proxies for exposition and destruction. He doesn't need humanizing. Does he look like a human? Darkseid was also a welcome addition because it gave his lackey a reason for being. Even the characters I hated like Luthor and Joker were an improvement!
I liked that it was broken apart into segments of a saga. It breaks up the monotony and makes it feel like the onscreen chapters and verse of a story that needs to be told. The movie had some good laugh out loud moments but almost everything that failed before worked better. I'm almost at a loss for words because half the movies in this franchise crawl past the finish line struggling to breathe and this one walked.
I could actually compliment this film in public. I didn't believe this crap was going to happen until it was at my doorstep, and lo and fuck-ass behold, this shit actually worked. Surprised and earned thumbs up from me! I'll be fine if they never do one of these again, but I liked this one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 22:13:47 GMT 1
Yes and I did discover this report is not a full accounting. I’m not sure why they’d post partial numbers. I don’t know what good that does but it will be interesting to see when any actual estimate does hit. In many ways, the Snyder Cut has already done what it needed to do for HBO Max. WarnerMedia has let DC fans know that all DC content is destined to end up on HBO Max one way or the other. The now-defunct DC Universe streaming service costs half as much as HBO Max. If you wanted to see DC content and didn't care about anything else on HBO, the cost increase is a bitter pill to swallow. The chance to get lengthy exclusive cuts makes that more palatable I guess. Good thing I got my DC DVD buying done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 0:49:20 GMT 1
Oh my God! I forgot to ask! Is GRANNY GOODNESS in this thing?! Should I keep watching to see her? Is she awesome? Does she at any point in the movie make cookies for Superman?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 24, 2021 0:53:36 GMT 1
Oh my God! I forgot to ask! Is GRANNY GOODNESS in this thing?! Should I keep watching to see her? Is she awesome? Does she at any point in the movie make cookies for Superman? She's in it for a couple seconds but doesn't have any lines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 0:54:37 GMT 1
Oh my God! I forgot to ask! Is GRANNY GOODNESS in this thing?! Should I keep watching to see her? Is she awesome? Does she at any point in the movie make cookies for Superman? She's in it for a couple seconds but doesn't have any lines. Oh. Lame! GIVE GRANNY THE SPIN-OFF (directed by Big Ziggity)!!!!!!!|!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 6:42:16 GMT 1
Oh my God! I forgot to ask! Is GRANNY GOODNESS in this thing?! Should I keep watching to see her? Is she awesome? Does she at any point in the movie make cookies for Superman? She's in it for a couple seconds but doesn't have any lines. Really? When?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 6:59:17 GMT 1
She's in it for a couple seconds but doesn't have any lines. Really? When? She was right next to Waldo.
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Post by Zack Snyder on Mar 24, 2021 18:41:01 GMT 1
Yo! Big Z back in this heezy to thank all y’all for supporting us on this mad crazy ride. The JL train is still rollin, mang. And it don’t stop! Keep it groovy, my dudes. Peace and love from your dawg Ziggity Zack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 23:18:44 GMT 1
She was right next to Waldo. Watch that smartass attitude kid
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 23:22:37 GMT 1
She was right next to Waldo. Watch that smartass attitude kid The SmartAss? Is that a new Samsung product?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 23:34:44 GMT 1
Watch that smartass attitude kid The SmartAss? Is that a new Samsung product? I have one! You do not want this product to get hacked. That leads to all kinds of disturbing problems!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 23:58:52 GMT 1
The SmartAss? Is that a new Samsung product? I have one! You do not want this product to get hacked. That leads to all kinds of disturbing problems! I know. I've seen what it's done to Ace Ventura.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 12:23:38 GMT 1
I think thats a pretty solid number
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 25, 2021 15:09:18 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura, and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 25, 2021 15:51:50 GMT 1
Is HBOMax available in most countries or is the Snyder Cut available through another service in other countries?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 25, 2021 18:04:16 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura , and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months. If you put aside the numbers and asymmetrical comparisons, I think the bottom line is that the Snyder Cut is a moderate success. It met its business objectives, and devotees were primarily pleased by the improved direction and revised storyline. You can't really compare a recut and expanded version of a previously theatrically released film to a single forty-minute episode of content from a competitor. You also can't compare it to the sequel to a highly regarded solo-superhero film franchise. The questions that interest me revolve around WarnerMedia's strategic thinking on the Snyder Cut. Were their business objectives sound, to begin with? Casual moviegoers were likely left out of the conversation since #ReleaseTheSnyderCut's inception, so it's not surprising that they didn't show up in droves to watch it. A four-hour-long film would have been daunting to all but the most deeply devout. The Snyder Cut supposedly cost $70 million to make. That comes to roughly 11 million dollars per episode if it were a streaming show. Typical high-budget streaming shows are clocking in at $15 - $25 million per episode. Expanding on the Snyder Cut was likely cheaper than funding and developing a new DC HBO Max show in the short term. This leads to my questions around strategy, are any of the announced DC shows for HBO Max any further along in development than when they were initially announced? Have they assembled writer's rooms? Have showrunners been chosen? Has pre-production begun? Has there been any casting news? Would the $70 million have been better spent looking towards the future and not revisiting the past? I'd have likely made a documentary about Justice League with Joss, Zack, and the rest of the cast, and some of the executives involved (instead of releasing a four-movie that ends on a cliff-hanger). It would be framed as a tell-all where everyone gets to outline what happened and articulate their alternate vision of the film. I would have pocketed the difference in cost between that and the Snyder Cut and moved full speed ahead on new content. The Snyder Cut itself would wait until HBO Max was in better shape subscription-wise with a stronger international base.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 25, 2021 18:53:22 GMT 1
Is HBOMax available in most countries or is the Snyder Cut available through another service in other countries? Another service in mine. I'm actually surprised we got it. We have a version of The Movie Network that (I guess) was bought by Crave, grandfathering our package and including 2 HBO channels. Zack Snyder's Justice League just kind of appeared on demand the same day it appeared on HBO Max.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 25, 2021 20:14:46 GMT 1
Regarding The Viewership Numbers As it turns out I hadn’t jumped the gun as much as I feared previously. Deadline and other credible outlets are now echoing the Samba TV statistics that WW84 was in fact streamed roughly 22% more than the Snydercut on their respective opening weekends. Granted, these are USA numbers, and maybe China watched in droves. We’ll have to wait and see. A couple of caveats. JL was more of an event film. I actually drove 2.5 hours one way to watch it with maximura , and they aren’t counting me in viewership. So how many people might have done the same or had dorm parties with a dozen people watching? Onnnnnn the other hand however WW84 was available in theater simultaneously so it had a big disadvantage in the number of people who chose to stream it. So without knowing better, I tend to call it a wash for now, and JL came up 22% short of WW84. What does that mean? Objectively I think it might be fair to say that yes, it’s a hit in terms of being what fans who asked for this hoped for, being better than the 2017 version by nearly every report, and having an overall success in viewership. It’s just that seems to be in line with normal big budget CBMs and maybe not so much a game changing phenomenon. Not that if needed to be, but that perception has been encouraged. You’ve probably noticed #restorethesnyderverse, so #getreadyformoreofthecult Without knowing specifics I’d say that performance can mean at least one thing. The appeal of the Snydercut didn't get far past the border of nerdom. IE, that extra 22% for WW84 are people like moms and daughters who never watch these things otherwise. It was a little tough to tell if the hype within the fandom had permeated pop culture enough to pull in the outside world. Not sure how to define its success in that other than to reiterate that based on our small sample space it seems to be performing like a normal big CBM release. It will be very interesting to compare Black Widow now in a couple of months. If you put aside the numbers and asymmetrical comparisons, I think the bottom line is that the Snyder Cut is a moderate success. It met its business objectives, and devotees were primarily pleased by the improved direction and revised storyline. You can't really compare a recut and expanded version of a previously theatrically released film to a single forty-minute episode of content from a competitor. You also can't compare it to the sequel to a highly regarded solo-superhero film franchise. The questions that interest me revolve around WarnerMedia's strategic thinking on the Snyder Cut. Were their business objectives sound, to begin with? Casual moviegoers were likely left out of the conversation since #ReleaseTheSnyderCut's inception, so it's not surprising that they didn't show up in droves to watch it. A four-hour-long film would have been daunting to all but the most deeply devout. The Snyder Cut supposedly cost $70 million to make. That comes to roughly 11 million dollars per episode if it were a streaming show. Typical high-budget streaming shows are clocking in at $15 - $25 million per episode. Expanding on the Snyder Cut was likely cheaper than funding and developing a new DC HBO Max show in the short term. This leads to my questions around strategy, are any of the announced DC shows for HBO Max any further along in development than when they were initially announced? Have they assembled writer's rooms? Have showrunners been chosen? Has pre-production begun? Has there been any casting news? Would the $70 million have been better spent looking towards the future and not revisiting the past? I'd have likely made a documentary about Justice League with Joss, Zack, and the rest of the cast, and some of the executives involved (instead of releasing a four-movie that ends on a cliff-hanger). It would be framed as a tell-all where everyone gets to outline what happened and articulate their alternate vision of the film. I would have pocketed the difference in cost between that and the Snyder Cut and moved full speed ahead on new content. The Snyder Cut itself would wait until HBO Max was in better shape subscription-wise with a stronger international base. Agreed. It definitely met its goal.
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