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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 0:27:36 GMT 1
The plot thickens, indeed. I'm 20% more inclined to believe Ray Fisher if Jason Momoa is willing to stand out on a ledge like this for him. I don't think Momoa values his status as a billion-dollar superhero as much as some other actors might. I think he'd be equally comfortable with the news of getting a new nine-picture extension on his deal as he would be with finding out it was all over tomorrow. The celebrity drama is the least interesting piece of a far more intricate puzzle. It really seems like WB was so desperate to catch up with Marvel with Justice League that they were willing to cut corners anywhere - including treating their talent inhumanely if it got executives their bonuses. Jason Momoa Slams Warner Bros. Amid 'Justice League' Investigation: 'This S— Has to Stop'Hard to know with Momoa but he seems like a stand-up guy. Wasnt he one of the first JL crew members to support the Snyder Cut? Kind of reminds me of Vince from Entourage. A couple of times, he brought up that he didnt care about the money and came from humble beginnings in Queens when making an important decision
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 0:41:52 GMT 1
Treated shitty how? What are we even talking about? It's impossible to defend or stand up for anybody, because there is no information. WTF are they talking about? Well, it would seem like bullying in the workplace. For example Johns threatening Fisher's career. Part of me still thinks he's just leveraging the racial card conveniently. Momoa himself is half a Hawaiian native
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 16, 2020 1:48:47 GMT 1
should be. But this is the era of bitch about anything even if it’s not what it seemed. I can’t give anybody claiming to be a victim credit anymore. I know my default reaction to not believe it. Any dee Ed fault reaction goes anything should be to not believe UNTIL THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. And that goes for aliens, the matrix, Bigfoot, miracles, and somebody saying somebody said a four letter word
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 16, 2020 1:49:54 GMT 1
Treated shitty how? What are we even talking about? It's impossible to defend or stand up for anybody, because there is no information. WTF are they talking about? Well, it would seem like bullying in the workplace. For example Johns threatening Fisher's career. Part of me still thinks he's just leveraging the racial card conveniently. Momoa himself is half a Hawaiian native Depending on the situation threatening somebody’s career isn’t necessarily wrong. Maybe Fisher needed to get his ass in gear. IDK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 2:23:45 GMT 1
Well, it would seem like bullying in the workplace. For example Johns threatening Fisher's career. Part of me still thinks he's just leveraging the racial card conveniently. Momoa himself is half a Hawaiian native Depending on the situation threatening somebody’s career isn’t necessarily wrong. Maybe Fisher needed to get his ass in gear. IDK Well, he did talk about sending them rewriters they rejected. Sorry, kiddo, but you're first timer. You don't get input. You do as you're told with the rest of the clout-less no-one actors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 13:08:10 GMT 1
Well, it would seem like bullying in the workplace. For example Johns threatening Fisher's career. Part of me still thinks he's just leveraging the racial card conveniently. Momoa himself is half a Hawaiian native Depending on the situation threatening somebody’s career isn’t necessarily wrong. Maybe Fisher needed to get his ass in gear. IDK That is true too. All depends on the context
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 17, 2020 18:21:18 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 17, 2020 21:01:09 GMT 1
sounds like they think he’s bitching about his role and the misconduct claims are manufactured. I don’t see any comments though??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 22:48:10 GMT 1
This kid is such a bitch.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2020 0:25:43 GMT 1
This kid is such a bitch. I thought the same thing after reading the piece in The Wrap initially; then, I did some checking. The tone of the piece is a relentless hit job on Ray Fisher. Even if you think he's lying, ineffectual, or just a straight-up idiot, the article doesn't even pretend to be moderately objective. It's as if the person who wrote it needed to paint Fisher in the worst light possible. The byline is by one, Umberto Gonzalez. You may know him by his alias, El Mayimbe. Mr. Gonzalez is a self-aggrandizing, so-called "scooper" with a track record of making notoriously wrong Marvel and DCEU predictions. He'd all but become a laughing stock in entertainment journalism before hitching his wagon to The Wrap. Many suspect him of being in WB’s pocket - or at least trying to get into it. This piece was designed to discredit Fisher - aggressively. It's as if someone paid for it. Not that it matters at this point, but we're likely no closer to the truth than when Fisher posted his first accusatory tweet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 1:53:53 GMT 1
This kid is such a bitch. I thought the same thing after reading the piece in The Wrap initially; then, I did some checking. The tone of the piece is a relentless hit job on Ray Fisher. Even if you think he's lying, ineffectual, or just a straight-up idiot, the article doesn't even pretend to be moderately objective. It's as if the person who wrote it needed to paint Fisher in the worst light possible. The byline is by one, Umberto Gonzalez. You may know him by his alias, El Mayimbe. Mr. Gonzalez is a self-aggrandizing, so-called "scooper" with a track record of making notoriously wrong Marvel and DCEU predictions. He'd all but become a laughing stock in entertainment journalism before hitching his wagon to The Wrap. Many suspect him of being in WB’s pocket - or at least trying to get into it. This piece was designed to discredit Fisher - aggressively. It's as if someone paid for it. Not that it matters at this point, but we're likely no closer to the truth than when Fisher posted his first accusatory tweet. Even so, the timing is suspicious. So, Ray Fisher just sat on this until it The Snyder Cut was announced? Why? If this is such an important issue for him, he wouldn't have waited until it became more convenient. I know WB isn't innocent, but I also think Fisher is just doing this for leverage.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2020 2:59:45 GMT 1
I thought the same thing after reading the piece in The Wrap initially; then, I did some checking. The tone of the piece is a relentless hit job on Ray Fisher. Even if you think he's lying, ineffectual, or just a straight-up idiot, the article doesn't even pretend to be moderately objective. It's as if the person who wrote it needed to paint Fisher in the worst light possible. The byline is by one, Umberto Gonzalez. You may know him by his alias, El Mayimbe. Mr. Gonzalez is a self-aggrandizing, so-called "scooper" with a track record of making notoriously wrong Marvel and DCEU predictions. He'd all but become a laughing stock in entertainment journalism before hitching his wagon to The Wrap. Many suspect him of being in WB’s pocket - or at least trying to get into it. This piece was designed to discredit Fisher - aggressively. It's as if someone paid for it. Not that it matters at this point, but we're likely no closer to the truth than when Fisher posted his first accusatory tweet. Even so, the timing is suspicious. So, Ray Fisher just sat on this until it The Snyder Cut was announced? Why? If this is such an important issue for him, he wouldn't have waited until it became more convenient. I know WB isn't innocent, but I also think Fisher is just doing this for leverage. Almost everything about Ray Fisher is suspicious, but as the saying goes, "I shot the Sheriff, but I didn't shoot the Deputy." Fisher probably has some genuine complaint he's been sitting on for a while. He's only surfacing these complaints because WB has failed to deliver on promised "opportunities." He is probably making good on a very old threat. His motives are self-serving, but I think there might be something to the complaint - even if it’s minor. If WB encouraged or endorsed Gonzolez’ hit piece, it means they're concerned or maybe even a little scared. The media can’t be trusted on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 3:02:45 GMT 1
Even so, the timing is suspicious. So, Ray Fisher just sat on this until it The Snyder Cut was announced? Why? If this is such an important issue for him, he wouldn't have waited until it became more convenient. I know WB isn't innocent, but I also think Fisher is just doing this for leverage. Almost everything about Ray Fisher is suspicious, but as the saying goes, "I shot the Sheriff, but I didn't shoot the Deputy." Fisher probably has some genuine complaint he's been sitting on for a while. He's only surfacing these complaints because WB has failed to deliver on promised "opportunities." He is probably making good on a very old threat. His motives are self-serving, but I think there might be something to the complaint - even if it’s minor. If WB encouraged or endorsed Gonzolez’ hit piece, it means they're concerned or maybe even a little scared. The media can’t be trusted on this one. I guarantee the "Cyborg" movie wouldn't have been a hit, anyway. He's losing out on nothing by missing being one of the faces of the originally intended DCEU. He's not doing himself or his career any favors by pursuing this. The only lesson Hollywood is going to learn from this entire fiasco is "Don't hire Ray Fisher."
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2020 3:06:01 GMT 1
Gonzalez can’t even be bothered to get the details of the stuff he supposedly reports on correct.Cyborg is cybernetically enhanced.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 18, 2020 14:57:18 GMT 1
I’m a little fuzzy on why the other endorsement is viewed as trying to cover this up?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2020 16:25:02 GMT 1
I’m a little fuzzy on why the other endorsement is viewed as trying to cover this up? It's just a theory... I'm suspicious of collusion between WB, The Wrap, and Gonzalez in this case because no other reputable outlets have corroborated their recent Ray Fisher coverage. The Wrap's piece leans into the angle that Fisher is a disgruntled diva who isn't cooperating with the investigation. That assessment may well be true, but the story never even tries to surface any legitimate reason he might not want to cooperate. The "investigation" is "inhouse" at WB and completely controlled by them. There's an inherent conflict there that needs to be stated if not addressed. The story pushes a narrative while presenting zero in the way of facts that support the assertions. All the "factual" information in the article comes from two unidentified sources at WB. I'm betting these two sources have a vested interest in seeing Ray Fisher disappear down a deep dark hole. The story is not so much journalism as it is a story-length meme. Here is the latest development in the story. Justice League star Ray Fisher demands new investigation into on-set misconduct allegationsIn all fairness, if I were him, and my allegations were even partially true, I'd want a third-party investigator too (and not someone who works for WB and thereby is not incentivized to find anything of merit).
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 24, 2020 19:47:07 GMT 1
Is it really ALL Geoff John's fault, or is he a sacrificial lamb?
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 24, 2020 19:49:07 GMT 1
But... but... but... they were finished with this movie right? Thats what the Snyder cut people kept telling me. Did they lie? Cant you trust anyone anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:46:47 GMT 1
But... but... but... they were finished with this movie right? Thats what the Snyder cut people kept telling me. Did they lie? Cant you trust anyone anymore? There are still people trying to claim the Snyder Cut exists, even though we have concrete proof they still needed to film a couple of scenes to complete it.
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Post by Nightman on Sept 24, 2020 23:00:34 GMT 1
I don't understand what's going on. Were the working conditions unsafe? Did Whedon/WB let Amber Heard beat up Fisher and Momoa? Is the whole thing a hoax created by Snyder to trash Whedon and promote his mythical cut? I demand answers.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 25, 2020 7:48:06 GMT 1
I don't understand what's going on. Were the working conditions unsafe? Did Whedon/WB let Amber Heard beat up Fisher and Momoa? Is the whole thing a hoax created by Snyder to trash Whedon and promote his mythical cut? I demand answers. What if... and hear me out here.... its 70 million dollars worth ass shots of Gal Gadot? Snyder didnt like Whedons ass shots and he wanted to take another crack at it?
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Post by Nightman on Sept 25, 2020 10:58:54 GMT 1
I don't understand what's going on. Were the working conditions unsafe? Did Whedon/WB let Amber Heard beat up Fisher and Momoa? Is the whole thing a hoax created by Snyder to trash Whedon and promote his mythical cut? I demand answers. What if... and hear me out here.... its 70 million dollars worth ass shots of Gal Gadot? Snyder didnt like Whedons ass shots and he wanted to take another crack at it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 0:29:47 GMT 1
I don't understand what's going on. Were the working conditions unsafe? Did Whedon/WB let Amber Heard beat up Fisher and Momoa? Is the whole thing a hoax created by Snyder to trash Whedon and promote his mythical cut? I demand answers. It's a bunch of noise to build up The Snyder Cut and tear down Marvel, because WB is in such a rut they can't fight fairly.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 26, 2020 21:42:53 GMT 1
I don't understand what's going on. Were the working conditions unsafe? Did Whedon/WB let Amber Heard beat up Fisher and Momoa? Is the whole thing a hoax created by Snyder to trash Whedon and promote his mythical cut? I demand answers. It's a bunch of noise to build up The Snyder Cut and tear down Marvel, because WB is in such a rut they can't fight fairly. It’s not an attempt to tear down Marvel. Ray Fisher and Jason Momoa have been going after WB, not Marvel.
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Post by Jayman on Sept 26, 2020 21:49:21 GMT 1
The plot thickens, indeed. I'm 20% more inclined to believe Ray Fisher if Jason Momoa is willing to stand out on a ledge like this for him. I don't think Momoa values his status as a billion-dollar superhero as much as some other actors might. I think he'd be equally comfortable with the news of getting a new nine-picture extension on his deal as he would be with finding out it was all over tomorrow. The celebrity drama is the least interesting piece of a far more intricate puzzle. It really seems like WB was so desperate to catch up with Marvel with Justice League that they were willing to cut corners anywhere - including treating their talent inhumanely if it got executives their bonuses. Jason Momoa Slams Warner Bros. Amid 'Justice League' Investigation: 'This S— Has to Stop'Hard to know with Momoa but he seems like a stand-up guy. Wasnt he one of the first JL crew members to support the Snyder Cut? Kind of reminds me of Vince from Entourage. A couple of times, he brought up that he didnt care about the money and came from humble beginnings in Queens when making an important decision The question is, who was the better aquaman. Vince or Momoa
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 22:14:22 GMT 1
It's a bunch of noise to build up The Snyder Cut and tear down Marvel, because WB is in such a rut they can't fight fairly. It’s not an attempt to tear down Marvel. Ray Fisher and Jason Momoa have been going after WB, not Marvel. They've been going after Joss Whedon, director of "The Avengers" and Geoff Johns, friend of Kevin Feige. It's a twofold assault. Force WB to pay them more, and tear down the competition.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 0:25:23 GMT 1
It’s not an attempt to tear down Marvel. Ray Fisher and Jason Momoa have been going after WB, not Marvel. They've been going after Joss Whedon, director of "The Avengers" and Geoff Johns, friend of Kevin Feige. It's a twofold assault. Force WB to pay them more, and tear down the competition. Joss Whedon is no longer associated with Marvel and Geoff Johns is still involved in DC properties. If they wanted to go after Marvel, they wouldn’t be badmouthing WB, especially not Ray Fisher, because that’s career suicide. Their beef is clearly with WB, not Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 0:48:08 GMT 1
They've been going after Joss Whedon, director of "The Avengers" and Geoff Johns, friend of Kevin Feige. It's a twofold assault. Force WB to pay them more, and tear down the competition. Joss Whedon is no longer associated with Marvel and Geoff Johns is still involved in DC properties. If they wanted to go after Marvel, they wouldn’t be badmouthing WB, especially not Ray Fisher, because that’s career suicide. Their beef is clearly with WB, not Marvel. Irrelevant. He's associated with Marvel in the minds of the public, and that's all that's necessary. Their beef might be with WB, but they're going after people who have either been associated with Marvel, or are friends with someone from Marvel. That's not a coincidence.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 1:02:02 GMT 1
Joss Whedon is no longer associated with Marvel and Geoff Johns is still involved in DC properties. If they wanted to go after Marvel, they wouldn’t be badmouthing WB, especially not Ray Fisher, because that’s career suicide. Their beef is clearly with WB, not Marvel. Irrelevant. He's associated with Marvel in the minds of the public, and that's all that's necessary. Their beef might be with WB, but they're going after people who have either been associated with Marvel, or are friends with someone from Marvel. That's not a coincidence. Ray Fisher has also gone after Jon Berg, Kevin Tsujihara and Walter Hamada. Besides, why does it matter if Geoff Johns is friends with Kevin Feige? He’s still been almost exclusively associated with DC, and has had absolutely nothing to do with the MCU. I’m pretty sure that actors don’t care about whatever fanboy wars there are between Marvel and DC. That’s why multiple actors have been involved in both. If the goal is to hurt Marvel, they wouldn’t be focusing so much on WB. This stuff has no impact on Kevin Feige or Marvel Studios or even Disney.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 7, 2020 5:46:48 GMT 1
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