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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:28:00 GMT 1
Not sure what to make of this LDM. Penny for your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:48:14 GMT 1
Hard to know with Momoa but he seems like a stand-up guy. Wasnt he one of the first JL crew members to support the Snyder Cut? Kind of reminds me of Vince from Entourage. A couple of times, he brought up that he didnt care about the money and came from humble beginnings in Queens when making an important decision The question is, who was the better aquaman. Vince or Momoa Bahaha! Sorry I missed this reply
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 7, 2020 20:01:10 GMT 1
Not sure what to make of this LDM. Penny for your thoughts? It seems that Fisher has two significant complaints based on what he shared in this article. He was asked by his bosses to lie on their behalf. It comes as no surprise to me that WB or any other studio would proceed in this manner. Especially if they were trying to rally support for a troubled film with a fervent fanbase. I imagine that this is the standard operating procedure in Hollywood. Lie to the fans and make them believe that everyone involved is friendly and that the film is coming along well. The second set of allegations around lightening someone's skin tone are a little harder to parse. If the skin tone alterations were done in the context of the standard process of Color Grading or Color Correction, there might not have been a racist connotation to those actions. Fisher makes it sound as if the Executives involved made a purposeful effort to marginalize or eliminate people of color from the Justice League movie. How would that help them in selling the film? Is he implying that WB thought that Justice League audiences would be inherently racist and balk at seeing people of color on film? Fisher's drip campaign of information is structured much like Snyder's Snyder Cut campaign. It appears that he can't say everything all at once or at any predetermined moment. It worked out well for Zack - if you want to call turning your cinematic opus into a four-hour mini-series on streaming a success. I doubt it will work out as well for Fisher. I've been patient, and I've tried to be objective... I don't see anything substantive, criminal, or frankly all that shocking in his allegations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 2:17:12 GMT 1
Not sure what to make of this LDM. Penny for your thoughts? It seems that Fisher has two significant complaints based on what he shared in this article. He was asked by his bosses to lie on their behalf. It comes as no surprise to me that WB or any other studio would proceed in this manner. Especially if they were trying to rally support for a troubled film with a fervent fanbase. I imagine that this is the standard operating procedure in Hollywood. Lie to the fans and make them believe that everyone involved is friendly and that the film is coming along well. The second set of allegations around lightening someone's skin tone are a little harder to parse. If the skin tone alterations were done in the context of the standard process of Color Grading or Color Correction, there might not have been a racist connotation those actions. Fisher makes it sound as if the Executives involved made a purposeful effort to marginalize or eliminate people of color from the Justice League movie. How would that help them in selling the film? Is he implying that WB thought that Justice League audiences would be inherently racist and balk at seeing people of color on film?
Fisher's drip campaign of information is structured much like Snyder's Snyder Cut campaign. It appears that he can't say everything all at once or at any predetermined moment. It worked out well for Zack - if you want to call turning your cinematic opus into a four-hour mini-series on streaming a success. I doubt it will work out as well for Fisher. I've been patient, and I've tried to be objective... I don't see anything substantive, criminal, or frankly all that shocking in his allegations. I frankly don't buy this claim for a single second, considering that WB has a crap-ton of movies starring or strongly featuring people of all ethnicities. This is just a spoiled brat playing the race card because his big break ended up not being his big break. Cry me a river, Ray. You don't see Taylor Kitsch pulling this crap after John Carter wasn't his big break.
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Post by Nightman on Nov 8, 2020 6:13:05 GMT 1
Not sure what to make of this LDM. Penny for your thoughts? It seems that Fisher has two significant complaints based on what he shared in this article. He was asked by his bosses to lie on their behalf. It comes as no surprise to me that WB or any other studio would proceed in this manner. Especially if they were trying to rally support for a troubled film with a fervent fanbase. I imagine that this is the standard operating procedure in Hollywood. Lie to the fans and make them believe that everyone involved is friendly and that the film is coming along well. The second set of allegations around lightening someone's skin tone are a little harder to parse. If the skin tone alterations were done in the context of the standard process of Color Grading or Color Correction, there might not have been a racist connotation to those actions. Fisher makes it sound as if the Executives involved made a purposeful effort to marginalize or eliminate people of color from the Justice League movie. How would that help them in selling the film? Is he implying that WB thought that Justice League audiences would be inherently racist and balk at seeing people of color on film?Fisher's drip campaign of information is structured much like Snyder's Snyder Cut campaign. It appears that he can't say everything all at once or at any predetermined moment. It worked out well for Zack - if you want to call turning your cinematic opus into a four-hour mini-series on streaming a success. I doubt it will work out as well for Fisher. I've been patient, and I've tried to be objective... I don't see anything substantive, criminal, or frankly all that shocking in his allegations. If they are trying to appeal to a Chinese audience, then yes. Chinese audiences are apparently notoriously racist.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2020 7:28:54 GMT 1
It seems that Fisher has two significant complaints based on what he shared in this article. He was asked by his bosses to lie on their behalf. It comes as no surprise to me that WB or any other studio would proceed in this manner. Especially if they were trying to rally support for a troubled film with a fervent fanbase. I imagine that this is the standard operating procedure in Hollywood. Lie to the fans and make them believe that everyone involved is friendly and that the film is coming along well. The second set of allegations around lightening someone's skin tone are a little harder to parse. If the skin tone alterations were done in the context of the standard process of Color Grading or Color Correction, there might not have been a racist connotation to those actions. Fisher makes it sound as if the Executives involved made a purposeful effort to marginalize or eliminate people of color from the Justice League movie. How would that help them in selling the film? Is he implying that WB thought that Justice League audiences would be inherently racist and balk at seeing people of color on film?Fisher's drip campaign of information is structured much like Snyder's Snyder Cut campaign. It appears that he can't say everything all at once or at any predetermined moment. It worked out well for Zack - if you want to call turning your cinematic opus into a four-hour mini-series on streaming a success. I doubt it will work out as well for Fisher. I've been patient, and I've tried to be objective... I don't see anything substantive, criminal, or frankly all that shocking in his allegations. If they are trying to appeal to a Chinese audience, then yes. Chinese audiences are apparently notoriously racist. But, wouldn't it have been easier to avoid casting these offensive people of color in the first place instead of having to lighten them all in post? Off the top of my head, I only recall three people of color in the entire cast. Two of them, Fisher included, have a lighter complexion. Joe Morton likely had the darkest skin complexion of the whole cast. Would china have boycotted the film over one individual?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2020 14:14:24 GMT 1
If they are trying to appeal to a Chinese audience, then yes. Chinese audiences are apparently notoriously racist. But, wouldn't it have been easier to avoid casting these offensive people of color in the first place instead of having to lighten them all in post? Off the top of my head, I only recall three people of color in the entire cast. Two of them, Fisher included, have a lighter complexion. Joe Morton likely had the darkest skin complexion of the whole cast. Would china have boycotted the film over one individual? Do we know anything about the nature of the supposed change or that it happened? I’m asking in case I missed something. And I’m not sure if this is a fair example or not, but you guys have seen me, I’m white as hell, and I don’t tan. So I was pondering if I was cast in a beach movie and they told me they were going to digitally put a tan on me, I’d consider that a great decision. It would be funny to me actually. So I guess I’m just saying I can imagine 100 different honorable reasons anybody’s skin tone could be altered. It’s almost like right now to me Rey’s statement sounds like “the chef put something in my food!!” and makes it sound all evil. But really he could just be talking about salt and pepper. I just mean the stated claim doesn’t mention anything inherently bad.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2020 19:18:20 GMT 1
But, wouldn't it have been easier to avoid casting these offensive people of color in the first place instead of having to lighten them all in post? Off the top of my head, I only recall three people of color in the entire cast. Two of them, Fisher included, have a lighter complexion. Joe Morton likely had the darkest skin complexion of the whole cast. Would china have boycotted the film over one individual? Do we know anything about the nature of the supposed change or that it happened? I’m asking in case I missed something. And I’m not sure if this is a fair example or not, but you guys have seen me, I’m white as hell, and I don’t tan. So I was pondering if I was cast in a beach movie and they told me they were going to digitally put a tan on me, I’d consider that a great decision. It would be funny to me actually. So I guess I’m just saying I can imagine 100 different honorable reasons anybody’s skin tone could be altered. It’s almost like right now to me Rey’s statement sounds like “the chef put something in my food!!” and makes it sound all evil. But really he could just be talking about salt and pepper. I just mean the stated claim doesn’t mention anything inherently bad. According to Fisher, it was suggested that someone's complexion be changed because an Executive on the film did not like their skin tone. Fisher's racial discrimination claims are twofold and hard as hell to parse because he is so secretive. He claims that WB whitewashed actors of color in Justice League. He also claims that most of the actors of color in the film either had their roles greatly reduced or removed from the film entirely. Here are the relevant quotes from the article. Whitewashing via Post-Production: "What set my soul on fire and forced me to speak out about Joss Whedon this summer was my becoming informed that Joss had ordered that the complexion of an actor of color be changed in post-production because he didn't like the color of their skin tone," Fisher firmly stated. "Man, with everything 2020's been, that was the tipping point for me." In an update to the piece on forbes.com, Forbes editorial decided to attach a disclaimer to Fisher's above statement since he did not directly hear it. It came from an unnamed source. Actors of color were removed from the film: Outside of Fisher, multiple actors of color had their roles completely removed or heavily-reduced in Justice League.
The role of Ryan Choi, played by Zheng Kai, was cut. Joe Morton, who played Cyborg's father Silas, had his role mostly cut and reshot. While Zack Snyder included a diverse cast of characters, many of them had roles significantly altered, or disappeared from the film altogether before it arrived in theaters. Karen Bryson, who played Cyborg's mother Ellinore, had her role cut as well. Additionally, Kiersey Clemons, who played Iris West, was removed from the film. All of them will appear in 2021's Zack Snyder's Justice League. According to representatives for Whedon, these decisions were made prior to his taking control of the project.It appears that once Snyder had left the film, WB executives conspired to reduce the parts of the actors of color or remove them altogether for reasons that are not entirely clear. Some have speculated that the cuts were for run time, while others here have speculated that this was done to appease the Chinese market. Fisher seems to believe it was done because WB's executive staff is a racist cabal. It should be noted that Joss had come under fire for this type of thing before with the Avengers movie, which had a mostly white cast. Supposedly, this lead Disney to find one or two larger roles for people of color in Age of Ultron (i.e., Dr. Helen Cho, Falcon, and War Machine).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 10:01:27 GMT 1
Goddamit! Joss Whedon exits the Nevers series on hbo. Fisher thinks it's because of the Warner investigation
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2020 10:16:41 GMT 1
Do we know anything about the nature of the supposed change or that it happened? I’m asking in case I missed something. And I’m not sure if this is a fair example or not, but you guys have seen me, I’m white as hell, and I don’t tan. So I was pondering if I was cast in a beach movie and they told me they were going to digitally put a tan on me, I’d consider that a great decision. It would be funny to me actually. So I guess I’m just saying I can imagine 100 different honorable reasons anybody’s skin tone could be altered. It’s almost like right now to me Rey’s statement sounds like “the chef put something in my food!!” and makes it sound all evil. But really he could just be talking about salt and pepper. I just mean the stated claim doesn’t mention anything inherently bad. According to Fisher, it was suggested that someone's complexion be changed because an Executive on the film did not like their skin tone. Fisher's racial discrimination claims are twofold and hard as hell to parse because he is so secretive. He claims that WB whitewashed actors of color in Justice League. He also claims that most of the actors of color in the film either had their roles greatly reduced or removed from the film entirely. Here are the relevant quotes from the article. Whitewashing via Post-Production: "What set my soul on fire and forced me to speak out about Joss Whedon this summer was my becoming informed that Joss had ordered that the complexion of an actor of color be changed in post-production because he didn't like the color of their skin tone," Fisher firmly stated. "Man, with everything 2020's been, that was the tipping point for me." In an update to the piece on forbes.com, Forbes editorial decided to attach a disclaimer to Fisher's above statement since he did not directly hear it. It came from an unnamed source. Actors of color were removed from the film: Outside of Fisher, multiple actors of color had their roles completely removed or heavily-reduced in Justice League.
The role of Ryan Choi, played by Zheng Kai, was cut. Joe Morton, who played Cyborg's father Silas, had his role mostly cut and reshot. While Zack Snyder included a diverse cast of characters, many of them had roles significantly altered, or disappeared from the film altogether before it arrived in theaters. Karen Bryson, who played Cyborg's mother Ellinore, had her role cut as well. Additionally, Kiersey Clemons, who played Iris West, was removed from the film. All of them will appear in 2021's Zack Snyder's Justice League. According to representatives for Whedon, these decisions were made prior to his taking control of the project.It appears that once Snyder had left the film, WB executives conspired to reduce the parts of the actors of color or remove them altogether for reasons that are not entirely clear. Some have speculated that the cuts were for run time, while others here have speculated that this was done to appease the Chinese market. Fisher seems to believe it was done because WB's executive staff is a racist cabal. It should be noted that Joss had come under fire for this type of thing before with the Avengers movie, which had a mostly white cast. Supposedly, this lead Disney to find one or two larger roles for people of color in Age of Ultron (i.e., Dr. Helen Cho, Falcon, and War Machine). My question over all of this is, do the cuts only apply to people of color or is this just a list of the POC who had cuts? And what was the rationale for these cuts. IE: As a manager, I’ve let go POC, so it would be very easy for someone to say exactly what Ray has about me. Except, I’ve also let go of white people. And race had nothing to do with it in any case. Point being, until I hear somebody start talking about the circumstances in this case, I have no idea what % of the story I’m hearing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 21:09:55 GMT 1
According to Fisher, it was suggested that someone's complexion be changed because an Executive on the film did not like their skin tone. Fisher's racial discrimination claims are twofold and hard as hell to parse because he is so secretive. He claims that WB whitewashed actors of color in Justice League. He also claims that most of the actors of color in the film either had their roles greatly reduced or removed from the film entirely. Here are the relevant quotes from the article. Whitewashing via Post-Production: "What set my soul on fire and forced me to speak out about Joss Whedon this summer was my becoming informed that Joss had ordered that the complexion of an actor of color be changed in post-production because he didn't like the color of their skin tone," Fisher firmly stated. "Man, with everything 2020's been, that was the tipping point for me." In an update to the piece on forbes.com, Forbes editorial decided to attach a disclaimer to Fisher's above statement since he did not directly hear it. It came from an unnamed source. Actors of color were removed from the film: Outside of Fisher, multiple actors of color had their roles completely removed or heavily-reduced in Justice League.
The role of Ryan Choi, played by Zheng Kai, was cut. Joe Morton, who played Cyborg's father Silas, had his role mostly cut and reshot. While Zack Snyder included a diverse cast of characters, many of them had roles significantly altered, or disappeared from the film altogether before it arrived in theaters. Karen Bryson, who played Cyborg's mother Ellinore, had her role cut as well. Additionally, Kiersey Clemons, who played Iris West, was removed from the film. All of them will appear in 2021's Zack Snyder's Justice League. According to representatives for Whedon, these decisions were made prior to his taking control of the project.It appears that once Snyder had left the film, WB executives conspired to reduce the parts of the actors of color or remove them altogether for reasons that are not entirely clear. Some have speculated that the cuts were for run time, while others here have speculated that this was done to appease the Chinese market. Fisher seems to believe it was done because WB's executive staff is a racist cabal. It should be noted that Joss had come under fire for this type of thing before with the Avengers movie, which had a mostly white cast. Supposedly, this lead Disney to find one or two larger roles for people of color in Age of Ultron (i.e., Dr. Helen Cho, Falcon, and War Machine). My question over all of this is, do the cuts only apply to people of color or is this just a list of the POC who had cuts? And what was the rationale for these cuts. IE: As a manager, I’ve let go POC, so it would be very easy for someone to say exactly what Ray has about me. Except, I’ve also let go of white people. And race had nothing to do with it in any case. Point being, until I hear somebody start talking about the circumstances in this case, I have no idea what % of the story I’m hearing. No, because Willem Defoe, the whitest of white meat, also had a small appearance in the film, which was cut.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 14, 2020 3:59:06 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 20, 2020 10:45:29 GMT 1
So nothing much happened then. Got to say, if that’s it, and nothing more comes out of this, I stand by my take that it’s absolutely shameful to slander people publicly with zero details. And you can say Rey needed to, or there are legal reasons he can’t be forthcoming, or that we aren’t owed any details, and that may very well all be true. Here’s the problem though. It leaves the public in a position to draw conclusions based on ignorance of the situation, which is what human beings always do. It’s why we thought in mass that a guy in a chariot carried the sun. When we’re dumb, we make shit up, and we need to give the public more than water to drown Joss in before we call him a witch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 11:28:42 GMT 1
So nothing much happened then. Got to say, if that’s it, and nothing more comes out of this, I stand by my take that it’s absolutely shameful to slander people publicly with zero details. And you can say Rey needed to, or there are legal reasons he can’t be forthcoming, or that we aren’t owed any details, and that may very well all be true. Here’s the problem though. It leaves the public in a position to draw conclusions based on ignorance of the situation, which is what human beings always do. It’s why we thought in mass that a guy in a chariot carried the sun. When we’re dumb, we make shit up, and we need to give the public more than water to drown Joss in before we call him a witch. I hope Joss returns to his show
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 20, 2020 21:22:56 GMT 1
Sounds like Gadot also had issues with him:
"I had my own experience with [Whedon], which wasn’t the best one, but I took care of it there and when it happened. I took it to the higher-ups and they took care of it. But I’m happy for Ray to go up and say his truth."
And Momoa:
"[Whedon’s] on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by [producers] Geoff Johns and Jon Berg."
For all three of them to speak up, Whedon must be a pretty big creep and an asshole.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Dec 20, 2020 21:42:18 GMT 1
Sounds like Gadot also had issues with him: "I had my own experience with [Whedon], which wasn’t the best one, but I took care of it there and when it happened. I took it to the higher-ups and they took care of it. But I’m happy for Ray to go up and say his truth." And Momoa: "[Whedon’s] on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by [producers] Geoff Johns and Jon Berg." For all three of them to speak up, Whedon must be a pretty big creep and an asshole. Really shouldn't be a surprise. Especially after what happened with Charisma Carpenter and the drama with his (ex)wife.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 20, 2020 21:44:46 GMT 1
Sounds like Gadot also had issues with him: "I had my own experience with [Whedon], which wasn’t the best one, but I took care of it there and when it happened. I took it to the higher-ups and they took care of it. But I’m happy for Ray to go up and say his truth." And Momoa: "[Whedon’s] on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by [producers] Geoff Johns and Jon Berg." For all three of them to speak up, Whedon must be a pretty big creep and an asshole. Really shouldn't be a surprise. Especially after what happened with Charisma Carpenter and the drama with his (ex)wife. Good point, the dude already had a pretty bad track record even before this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 22:17:11 GMT 1
Sounds like Gadot also had issues with him: "I had my own experience with [Whedon], which wasn’t the best one, but I took care of it there and when it happened. I took it to the higher-ups and they took care of it. But I’m happy for Ray to go up and say his truth." And Momoa: "[Whedon’s] on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by [producers] Geoff Johns and Jon Berg." For all three of them to speak up, Whedon must be a pretty big creep and an asshole. Still not seeing details. Until I see reports about him bending Fisher over a table in front of the cast and crew, I'm not believing this.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 20, 2020 22:41:35 GMT 1
Sounds like Gadot also had issues with him: "I had my own experience with [Whedon], which wasn’t the best one, but I took care of it there and when it happened. I took it to the higher-ups and they took care of it. But I’m happy for Ray to go up and say his truth." And Momoa: "[Whedon’s] on-set treatment of the cast and crew of Justice League was gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable. He was enabled, in many ways, by [producers] Geoff Johns and Jon Berg." For all three of them to speak up, Whedon must be a pretty big creep and an asshole. Still not seeing details. Until I see reports about him bending Fisher over a table in front of the cast and crew, I'm not believing this. I'm not sure why the general public should be privy to the details, but you do you, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 23:01:20 GMT 1
Still not seeing details. Until I see reports about him bending Fisher over a table in front of the cast and crew, I'm not believing this. I'm not sure why the general public should be privy to the details, but you do you, I guess. Decades of the media reporting everything concerning every widely known investigation and trial, and suddenly, privacy is a priority? Yeah, if countless kidnapping victims have their faces and the details surrounding their abductions showcased all over the world, Fisher can be a big boy and tell us about one bad job he took.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 0:55:41 GMT 1
Really shouldn't be a surprise. Especially after what happened with Charisma Carpenter and the drama with his (ex)wife. Good point, the dude already had a pretty bad track record even before this. Then there's the fact that his Batgirl project never took off either
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 0:58:07 GMT 1
I'm not sure why the general public should be privy to the details, but you do you, I guess. Decades of the media reporting everything concerning every widely known investigation and trial, and suddenly, privacy is a priority? Yeah, if countless kidnapping victims have their faces and the details surrounding their abductions showcased all over the world, Fisher can be a big boy and tell us about one bad job he took. I think he's using it to maybe leverage Warner? It's not clear what's happening here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 1:05:19 GMT 1
Decades of the media reporting everything concerning every widely known investigation and trial, and suddenly, privacy is a priority? Yeah, if countless kidnapping victims have their faces and the details surrounding their abductions showcased all over the world, Fisher can be a big boy and tell us about one bad job he took. I think he's using it to maybe leverage Warner? It's not clear what's happening here Yes, and either way he's lying. Oh, the director of the reshoots, the person with the single most stressful job of the whole reshoots, was a little testy on the set? Gee, could that be that he was the man responsible for keeping this time-crunch job on track?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Dec 21, 2020 21:45:18 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 21, 2020 21:53:21 GMT 1
So now its Marvel's fault? Damn... thats a low blow.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 21, 2020 22:02:22 GMT 1
This is just stupid.
(side note: Age of Ultron is awesome and made $1.4 Billion at the box office)
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 21, 2020 22:04:47 GMT 1
This is just stupid. (side note: Age of Ultron is awesome and made $1.4 Billion at the box office)
Damn right AoU is awesome. Its actually my go to movie if I just want to wattch some MCU content.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 4:11:27 GMT 1
Thanks for confirming that this was all a ploy to make the competition look bad, Ray.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 30, 2020 19:13:18 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 30, 2020 20:02:13 GMT 1
I really think this guy has gone off the deep end.
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