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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 5, 2020 16:02:26 GMT 1
This has gotten to be a big story. WB has officially stated that they’ve found no evidence to support Fisher’s claims of gross misconduct and that he has provided no specifics. Further they hired an independent investigator who has tried to contact Ray 3 times and Ray has refused to respond. So what is going on here? - Could Ray have exaggerated or be outright lying? - Could WB be covering something up? - Perhaps Ray has legal representation doing their own investigation and advising him not to get involved in any way? Idk what to think about this, but somebody is hiding the truth and it seems as though WB has passed the ball to Ray. He’s got no choice but to publicly declare what he’s claiming happened or he’s going to look a boy who cried wolf, and it might cost him his career. If WB is hiding actions Hamada, Johns, or Whedon took, and Ray does come out with it, then they’re going to pay big time. www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2020/film/news/warner-bros-denies-ray-fisher-claims-justice-league-investigation-1234760508/amp/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 17:04:57 GMT 1
Guy's a fool. No one's going to side with him from the company. If true, he's being a crybaby and likely to lose his career (not even big to begin with either)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 5, 2020 17:37:20 GMT 1
Guy's a fool. No one's going to side with him from the company. If true, he's being a crybaby and likely to lose his career (not even big to begin with either) He at least needs to detail what he's talking about. I've been fine with his vagueness up until now, but when you don't cooperate with an investigation, you need to seriously explain why and what's going on. You cannot just publicly slander somebody and refuse to back it up.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 5, 2020 18:58:54 GMT 1
It’s possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 17:46:32 GMT 1
Did who do a what now?
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Sept 6, 2020 19:22:38 GMT 1
Fisher fired back today, calling out Warners in a tweet for their “desperate and scattershot attempt to discredit me to continue protecting those in power” and posting a screenshot on Twitter of an email he sent to his team and SAG-AFTRA shortly after meeting with the third-party investigator via Zoom on August 26th.
The e-mail says: “Just got off the line with the investigator. Had to end the interview early before going into detail with him. He also had another person of the line as a witness which we weren’t made aware of. I told him I needed to have a rep on the line as security for myself. He tried to keep me on the line, but I told him I would need to consult my team before proceeding.”
Fisher adds that Warners: “has escalated this to an entirely different level, but I’m ready to meet the challenge.”
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 6, 2020 20:07:16 GMT 1
Fisher fired back today, calling out Warners in a tweet for their “desperate and scattershot attempt to discredit me to continue protecting those in power” and posting a screenshot on Twitter of an email he sent to his team and SAG-AFTRA shortly after meeting with the third-party investigator via Zoom on August 26th. The e-mail says: “Just got off the line with the investigator. Had to end the interview early before going into detail with him. He also had another person of the line as a witness which we weren’t made aware of. I told him I needed to have a rep on the line as security for myself. He tried to keep me on the line, but I told him I would need to consult my team before proceeding.” Fisher adds that Warners: “has escalated this to an entirely different level, but I’m ready to meet the challenge.” Alright so somebody is lying big time here. I'm really curious what Ray is claiming happened, because it seems like this is only going to end with somebody's career.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 6, 2020 20:56:52 GMT 1
I haven't been following any of this... I saw bits and pieces and assumed it would go away like most vague and substantiated misconduct claims do. More fuel for the conspiracy fires.
It feels like Fisher, who was once all but promised his own franchise, is now looking at the real possibility of just doing walk-ons in the last of the DCEU branded films. I think he might be feeling some bitterness about that. He likely invested a lot of time and effort in preparing for "borg life." He may have even passed on more prestigious (lower-paying) opportunities.
Unless someone sexually assaulted him or called him by a racist slur - it's unlikely that I'll ever care about any of this.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 6, 2020 20:59:08 GMT 1
Fisher fired back today, calling out Warners in a tweet for their “desperate and scattershot attempt to discredit me to continue protecting those in power” and posting a screenshot on Twitter of an email he sent to his team and SAG-AFTRA shortly after meeting with the third-party investigator via Zoom on August 26th. The e-mail says: “Just got off the line with the investigator. Had to end the interview early before going into detail with him. He also had another person of the line as a witness which we weren’t made aware of. I told him I needed to have a rep on the line as security for myself. He tried to keep me on the line, but I told him I would need to consult my team before proceeding.” Fisher adds that Warners: “has escalated this to an entirely different level, but I’m ready to meet the challenge.” Alright so somebody is lying big time here. I'm really curious what Ray is claiming happened, because it seems like this is only going to end with somebody's career. He clearly wasn't ready for the scale of WB's response, and he likely underestimated how far they would go to distance themselves from any wrongdoing in today's hypersensitive workplace politics environment.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 6, 2020 21:00:49 GMT 1
I haven't been following any of this... I saw bits and pieces and assumed it would go away like most vague and substantiated misconduct claims do. More fuel for the conspiracy fires. It feels like Fisher, who was once all but promised his own franchise, is now looking at the real possibility of just doing walk-ons in the last of the DCEU branded films. I think he might be feeling some bitterness about that. He likely invested a lot of time and effort in preparing for "borg life." He may have even passed on more prestigious (lower-paying) opportunities. Unless someone sexually assaulted him or called him by a racist slur - it's unlikely that I'll ever care about any of this. Yeah I'm with you, this had better be good. I mean there could definitely be something but it's taken a awful long time to get to the point on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 11:17:09 GMT 1
Here's his 15min instagram rant on all things Warner. Interesting that he's had previous workplace problems re another situation. Warner is a massive company and now owned by AT&T. I really hope he knows what he's doing https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEzfKhdpZDh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 11:32:11 GMT 1
There's also this now.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 8, 2020 15:16:13 GMT 1
Since when is Ray Fisher at war with Jody's Corner? This situation becomes more bizarre with each new development.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 9, 2020 1:40:47 GMT 1
Is Momoa saying he can corroborate the claim? My stance is always staying neutral on the issue. I don’t understand the trend of believing the claimant automatically, because we know full well that people can exaggerate claims, lie, or just be wrong about what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 0:18:44 GMT 1
I think he's just bitter about not getting his "Cyborg" franchise and is... I don't know what this moron thinks he's doing, but no one is going to hire him after this. He might as well go back to that theatre Snyder found him performing in. The reshoots for "Justice League", a film WB refused to postpone had to be hell for everyone, so yeah, I don't imagine that was a pleasant shooting experience for anyone. Instead of blaming Whedon or Johns or Berg, he should just blame Warner Bros. But I guess Whedon is an easier target.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 13:19:02 GMT 1
Since when is Ray Fisher at war with Jody's Corner? This situation becomes more bizarre with each new development. Cant view it, members only it says. What happened?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 12, 2020 14:31:35 GMT 1
Since when is Ray Fisher at war with Jody's Corner? This situation becomes more bizarre with each new development. Cant view it, members only it says. What happened? I don't know much about the situation myself. Jody and Ray Fisher traded insults on Twitter. I believe Jody accused Ray of being gay, and Ray called him out as a homophobe. I have no idea how Jody got involved in this situation. All I know is that he's made multiple videos where he spends the entire time ranting about how Ray Fisher has no future in Hollywood. The content seems defamatory enough to take legal action if you wanted to...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:24:45 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 15:52:03 GMT 1
The plot thickens, indeed. I'm 20% more inclined to believe Ray Fisher if Jason Momoa is willing to stand out on a ledge like this for him. I don't think Momoa values his status as a billion-dollar superhero as much as some other actors might. I think he'd be equally comfortable with the news of getting a new nine-picture extension on his deal as he would be with finding out it was all over tomorrow. The celebrity drama is the least interesting piece of a far more intricate puzzle. It really seems like WB was so desperate to catch up with Marvel with Justice League that they were willing to cut corners anywhere - including treating their talent inhumanely if it got executives their bonuses. Jason Momoa Slams Warner Bros. Amid 'Justice League' Investigation: 'This S— Has to Stop'
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 15, 2020 18:04:11 GMT 1
Treated shitty how? What are we even talking about? It's impossible to defend or stand up for anybody, because there is no information. WTF are they talking about?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 18:10:17 GMT 1
Treated shitty how? What are we even talking about? It's impossible to defend or stand up for anybody, because there is no information. WTF are they talking about? It's a bit vexing not knowing, but it's obviously serious enough for Jason Momoa to put his billion-dollar franchise clout behind it. I doubt he's backing Fisher based on hearsay alone. Maybe they were both forced to sleep with Charlotte Kirk in some kind of #MeToo gang initiation ritual.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 15, 2020 18:39:24 GMT 1
Treated shitty how? What are we even talking about? It's impossible to defend or stand up for anybody, because there is no information. WTF are they talking about? It's a bit vexing not knowing, but it's obviously serious enough for Jason Momoa to put his billion-dollar franchise clout behind it. I doubt he's backing Fisher based on hearsay alone. Maybe they were both forced to sleep with Charlotte Kirk in some kind of #MeToo gang initiation ritual. I really don't know anymore. People have publicly backed others on hearsay and been wrong before. I really can't make heads or tails of this stuff any more. People jump on things with no evidence so often now, it's just impossible to tell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 18:59:23 GMT 1
It's a bit vexing not knowing, but it's obviously serious enough for Jason Momoa to put his billion-dollar franchise clout behind it. I doubt he's backing Fisher based on hearsay alone. Maybe they were both forced to sleep with Charlotte Kirk in some kind of #MeToo gang initiation ritual. I really don't know anymore. People have publicly backed others on hearsay and been wrong before. I really can't make heads or tails of this stuff any more. People jump on things with no evidence so often now, it's just impossible to tell. This is why I'm not going buy any of this until the day I see video evidence from the set on the days of the reshoot showing the abuse.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 20:26:46 GMT 1
It's a bit vexing not knowing, but it's obviously serious enough for Jason Momoa to put his billion-dollar franchise clout behind it. I doubt he's backing Fisher based on hearsay alone. Maybe they were both forced to sleep with Charlotte Kirk in some kind of #MeToo gang initiation ritual. I really don't know anymore. People have publicly backed others on hearsay and been wrong before. I really can't make heads or tails of this stuff any more. People jump on things with no evidence so often now, it's just impossible to tell. I think something happened... Whether it's worth all of this secrecy and drama is another matter altogether.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 15, 2020 20:30:54 GMT 1
I really don't know anymore. People have publicly backed others on hearsay and been wrong before. I really can't make heads or tails of this stuff any more. People jump on things with no evidence so often now, it's just impossible to tell. I think something happened... Whether it's worth all of this secrecy and drama is another matter altogether. And whether it’s an actual problem or just something in the spectrum of normal disagreement with bosses
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 15, 2020 20:54:31 GMT 1
I think something happened... Whether it's worth all of this secrecy and drama is another matter altogether. And whether it’s an actual problem or just something in the spectrum of normal disagreement with bosses At this point, if it's anything less than being forced to turn a big wheel like Oliver Twist then I'm calling them a bunch of divas.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 21:29:45 GMT 1
I think something happened... Whether it's worth all of this secrecy and drama is another matter altogether. And whether it’s an actual problem or just something in the spectrum of normal disagreement with bosses If it was a normal disagreement with the brass, wouldn't his agent or manager have told him to stop fucking around? Shouldn't they be the ones dealing with this in that case. SAG is involved so it seems it's above the agent and manager-level pay grade.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 21:31:48 GMT 1
And whether it’s an actual problem or just something in the spectrum of normal disagreement with bosses At this point, if it's anything less than being forced to turn a big wheel like Oliver Twist then I'm calling them a bunch of divas. More like clowns. They could be clowning us. As easily as you could see a real issue here, you could just as easily see Momoa and Fisher, not giving a fuck, and clowning everybody.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 15, 2020 21:32:41 GMT 1
And whether it’s an actual problem or just something in the spectrum of normal disagreement with bosses If it was a normal disagreement with the brass, wouldn't his agent or manager have told him to stop fucking around? Shouldn't they be the ones dealing with this in that case. SAG is involved so it seems it's above the agent and manager-level pay grade. should be. But this is the era of bitch about anything even if it’s not what it seemed. I can’t give anybody claiming to be a victim credit anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 0:23:53 GMT 1
If it was a normal disagreement with the brass, wouldn't his agent or manager have told him to stop fucking around? Shouldn't they be the ones dealing with this in that case. SAG is involved so it seems it's above the agent and manager-level pay grade. should be. But this is the era of bitch about anything even if it’s not what it seemed. I can’t give anybody claiming to be a victim credit anymore. I know my default reaction to not believe it.
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