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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:55:20 GMT 1
Blasphemous! Who are we to question the word of the almighty? Anyway, it’s bedtime for me, so excuse me while I scurry away to my sea coral cave... I'm not joking around. I will have no reason to stop by Knowhere or Sakaar if they do it, becuase I will have nothing I want to talk about and I certainly won't be getting excited by any further entries in the MCU. 13 years of flawlessly pulling off a self-contained universe just to shit the bed now that they have control to tell the X-Men's stories the way they're meant to be told? Disney-Marvel's dealings with Sony are hard enough to swallow, but resorting to such short cuts for the X-Men when they don't need to will be the last straw. No, you guys can’t leave the fandom. Who’ll be in charge of it when you’re gone? Me?! I shouldn’t have that responsibility and you know it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:58:40 GMT 1
I'm not joking around. I will have no reason to stop by Knowhere or Sakaar if they do it, becuase I will have nothing I want to talk about and I certainly won't be getting excited by any further entries in the MCU. 13 years of flawlessly pulling off a self-contained universe just to shit the bed now that they have control to tell the X-Men's stories the way they're meant to be told? Disney-Marvel's dealings with Sony are hard enough to swallow, but resorting to such short cuts for the X-Men when they don't need to will be the last straw. No, you guys can’t leave the fandom. Who’ll be in charge of it when you’re gone? Me?! I shouldn’t have that responsibility and you know it! I can't imagine working up the motivation to come back after hoping for a truer adpatation of the X-men after over a decade of pleading for one and STILL not getting it now that it's in the hands of people who have the capability of doing it. You might be celebrating the prospects of being proven right, but my interest in the MCU is withering with each new reply in this conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 6:00:25 GMT 1
No, you guys can’t leave the fandom. Who’ll be in charge of it when you’re gone? Me?! I shouldn’t have that responsibility and you know it! I can't imagine working up the motivation to come back after hoping for a truer adpatation of the X-men after over a decade of pleading for one and STILL not getting it now that it's in the hands of people who have the capability of doing it. You might be celebrating the prospects of being proven right, but my interest in the MCU is withering with each new reply in this conversation. Don’t worry about it so much. On the bright side you’ll still be able to enjoy all the other characters like Guardians, Dr Strangelove, The Eternals, and Captain Marbles. That’s a lot of movies to look forward to! Fuck the X Men!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 6:07:35 GMT 1
I can't imagine working up the motivation to come back after hoping for a truer adpatation of the X-men after over a decade of pleading for one and STILL not getting it now that it's in the hands of people who have the capability of doing it. You might be celebrating the prospects of being proven right, but my interest in the MCU is withering with each new reply in this conversation. Don’t worry about it so much. On the bright side you’ll still be able to enjoy all the other characters like Dr Strangelove and Captain Marbles. That’s a lot of movies to look forward to! Fuck the X Men! If they're willing to take such shortcuts with th X-Men just to achieve a certain status quickly, my trust in their ability to continue handling other characters will die as well. If they cave into their worst instincts just to skip a few potentially annoying story paces once, they'll be more likely to do again. What I'm seeing is a Marvel Studios that becomes less and less patient with their story-telling and more willing to find easy outs to skip long-term story beats that might have taken until the next Phase to pay off before. To me, this isn't just an issue with their handling of the X-Men. I see a full ripple effect just ruining the whole thing if they really do decide to compromise their own roles on this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 6:12:14 GMT 1
Don’t worry about it so much. On the bright side you’ll still be able to enjoy all the other characters like Dr Strangelove and Captain Marbles. That’s a lot of movies to look forward to! Fuck the X Men! If they're willing to take such shortcuts with th X-Men just to achieve a certain status quickly, my trust in their ability to continue handling other characters will die as well. If they cave into their worst instincts just to skip a few potentially annoying story paces once, they'll be more likely to do again. What I'm seeing is a Marvel Studios that becomes less and less patient with their story-telling and more willing to find easy outs to skip long-term story beats that might have taken until the next Phase to pay off before. To me, this isn't just an issue with their handling of the X-Men. I see a full ripple effect just ruining the whole thing if they really do decide to compromise their own roles on this. Just keep an open mind. The idea of the multiverse introducing new characters has grown on me quite a bit. I think it’s a rather inspired idea myself. Feige is really doubling down on the concept in a big way. Perhaps you’ll be pleasantly surprised?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 6:21:37 GMT 1
If they're willing to take such shortcuts with th X-Men just to achieve a certain status quickly, my trust in their ability to continue handling other characters will die as well. If they cave into their worst instincts just to skip a few potentially annoying story paces once, they'll be more likely to do again. What I'm seeing is a Marvel Studios that becomes less and less patient with their story-telling and more willing to find easy outs to skip long-term story beats that might have taken until the next Phase to pay off before. To me, this isn't just an issue with their handling of the X-Men. I see a full ripple effect just ruining the whole thing if they really do decide to compromise their own roles on this. Just keep an open mind. The idea of the multiverse introducing new characters has grown on me quite a bit. I think it’s a rather inspired idea myself. Feige is really doubling down on the concept in a big way. Perhaps you’ll be pleasantly surprised? I've seen a Multiverse at work in the CW Arrowverse. Let me tell you, bringing in new permanent cast members from other universes that have no business being from another universe to begin with doesn't work out as well as you might think. You're essentially left with this character who has no connection to anyone in the main setting just hanging around and you're actively wondering why they don't just go home.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 6:31:21 GMT 1
If they're willing to take such shortcuts with th X-Men just to achieve a certain status quickly, my trust in their ability to continue handling other characters will die as well. If they cave into their worst instincts just to skip a few potentially annoying story paces once, they'll be more likely to do again. What I'm seeing is a Marvel Studios that becomes less and less patient with their story-telling and more willing to find easy outs to skip long-term story beats that might have taken until the next Phase to pay off before. To me, this isn't just an issue with their handling of the X-Men. I see a full ripple effect just ruining the whole thing if they really do decide to compromise their own roles on this. Just keep an open mind. The idea of the multiverse introducing new characters has grown on me quite a bit. I think it’s a rather inspired idea myself. Feige is really doubling down on the concept in a big way. Perhaps you’ll be pleasantly surprised? I'll see where the road takes us, but I really, really, really hope you're wrong about this.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2021 15:42:13 GMT 1
Welllll based on what I’ve seen recently (no spoilers) I’m now definitely leaning towards they won’t do this with the x-men.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 17:23:05 GMT 1
Well the Foxmen Deadpool is canon within the MCU, so there's that.
If that Doctor Strange leak is true, America Chavez is from a earth where Mutants are already established.
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 17:28:06 GMT 1
Well the Foxmen Deadpool is canon within the MCU, so there's that. If that Doctor Strange leak is true, America Chavez is from a earth where Mutants are already established. That remains to be seen. We havent seen the movie yet
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2021 17:53:12 GMT 1
Well the Foxmen Deadpool is canon within the MCU, so there's that. If that Doctor Strange leak is true, America Chavez is from a earth where Mutants are already established. welllllll we don’t actually know that either. For instance it’s entirely possible that they have step out of a comicbook which would make everything he’s done just a comicbook in the MCU.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 18:31:06 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start.
Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men.
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 18:49:28 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start. Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men. Hell naw It will add a franchise with a fucked up continuity to a franchise which most unique quality is that continuity. It will ruin what makes the MCU special I really dont understand why so many people want to fuck up the MCU. I mean, besides one or two films that franchise has been awful anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 18:51:29 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start. Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men. An excellent point! Feige had A LOT to do with the original X Men movies. People tend to (deliberately) forget that nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 18:53:32 GMT 1
Well the Foxmen Deadpool is canon within the MCU, so there's that. If that Doctor Strange leak is true, America Chavez is from a earth where Mutants are already established. welllllll we don’t actually know that either. For instance it’s entirely possible that they have step out of a comicbook which would make everything he’s done just a comicbook in the MCU. Archie, you wouldn’t leave the fandom too would you?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2021 19:15:02 GMT 1
welllllll we don’t actually know that either. For instance it’s entirely possible that they have step out of a comicbook which would make everything he’s done just a comicbook in the MCU. Archie, you wouldn’t leave the fandom too would you? i Dont think there’s any one thing that would ruin it for me, no.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:17:17 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start. Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men. An excellent point! Feige had A LOT to do with the original X Men movies. People tend to (deliberately) forget that nowadays. And they turned out lackluster, thanks to Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:18:37 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start. Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men. You can't really want the boring, bland FoX-Men when we could have something so much closer to the source material. The Fox X-Men don't fit with the tone or the kind of stories the MCU tells. It wouldn't be right for those drab, ultra-subdued versions of vibrant characters to go to the Lost Land, for one thing.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 19:21:14 GMT 1
Honestly the Fox-Marvel part of the MCU through the Multiverse is not only a brilliant move but a nice nod to where Feige got his start. Hell we probably wouldn't have the MCU if it wasn't for X-Men. You can't really want the boring, bland FoX-Men when we could have something so much closer to the source material. The Fox X-Men don't fit with the tone or the kind of stories the MCU tells. It wouldn't be right for those drab, ultra-subdued versions of vibrant characters to go to the Lost Land, for one thing. If it exists in it's own little bubble in the Multiverse, why not? Call it Earth-0 or something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:24:09 GMT 1
You can't really want the boring, bland FoX-Men when we could have something so much closer to the source material. The Fox X-Men don't fit with the tone or the kind of stories the MCU tells. It wouldn't be right for those drab, ultra-subdued versions of vibrant characters to go to the Lost Land, for one thing. If it exists in it's own little bubble in the Multiverse, why not? Call it Earth-0 or something. The purpose of the MCU is to interconnect everything into the core setting. That would be regressive against the evolution to comic book movie storytelling they themselves brought to the table and continue to expand upon. The MCU NEEDS it's own X-men. Why am I the only one who understands that?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:25:16 GMT 1
Archie, you wouldn’t leave the fandom too would you? i Dont think there’s any one thing that would ruin it for me, no. That’s my Archie! After the mass exodus it may be up to us and us alone to repopulate the fandom. If you know any McU fangirls now is the time to invite them!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 19:27:52 GMT 1
If it exists in it's own little bubble in the Multiverse, why not? Call it Earth-0 or something. The purpose of the MCU is to interconnect everything into the core setting. That would be regressive against the evolution to comic book movie storytelling they themselves brought to the table and continue to expand upon. The MCU NEEDS it's own X-men. Why am I the only one who understands that?! The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:31:21 GMT 1
The purpose of the MCU is to interconnect everything into the core setting. That would be regressive against the evolution to comic book movie storytelling they themselves brought to the table and continue to expand upon. The MCU NEEDS it's own X-men. Why am I the only one who understands that?! The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. They would essentially be splitting their own fanbase and ensuring lower turnouts to their new movies, because people can only afford to see so many movies a year. Let me ask you this? Can you really see the FoX X-Men team ever doing any of the more interesting things from the comics? Like visiting The Savage Land, or doing a proper version of The Hellfire Club? No, because their own continuity is so warped away from what the X-Men really are, they could never be made "truer", because they've already been established as something completely foreign to the comics thanks to Fox's own embarrassment at making comic book movies.
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 19:31:21 GMT 1
The purpose of the MCU is to interconnect everything into the core setting. That would be regressive against the evolution to comic book movie storytelling they themselves brought to the table and continue to expand upon. The MCU NEEDS it's own X-men. Why am I the only one who understands that?! The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. I dont think DC is the example Marvel needs to follow. That would be the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:32:44 GMT 1
The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. I dont think DC is the example Marvel needs to follow. That would be the other way around. Not to mention they'd be splitting all their box office returns in half if they did that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:50:03 GMT 1
The purpose of the MCU is to interconnect everything into the core setting. That would be regressive against the evolution to comic book movie storytelling they themselves brought to the table and continue to expand upon. The MCU NEEDS it's own X-men. Why am I the only one who understands that?! The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. I was thinking it’d be neat if there’s an alternate Earth where humans all evolved to have mutant powers, and the temporary opening of the multiverse leads to some of these people being stranded on our Earth, where they are persecuted against before forming the X Men!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 19:52:59 GMT 1
The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. I was thinking it’d be neat if there’s an alternate Earth where humans all evolved to have mutant powers, and the temporary opening of the multiverse leads to some of these people being stranded on our Earth, where they are persecuted against before forming the X Men! They already have a group that fills that niche: The New Asgardians. They are human-looking aliens from somewhere with abilities and biology different from our own, and I'm betting we'll be seeing them not getting along with the "natives" in future installments. Is it really asking so much for you guys to want the X-Men to be home grown in the MCU?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 19:56:57 GMT 1
The MCU could still have it's own version of X-Men and Mutants. The Foxmen would exist on it's own separate Earth. Similar to what DC does. They would essentially be splitting their own fanbase and ensuring lower turnouts to their new movies, because people can only afford to see so many movies a year. Let me ask you this? Can you really see the FoX X-Men team ever doing any of the more interesting things from the comics? Like visiting The Savage Land, or doing a proper version of The Hellfire Club? No, because their own continuity is so warped away from what the X-Men really are, they could never be made "truer", because they've already been established as something completely foreign to the comics thanks to Fox's own embarrassment at making comic book movies. Marvel doesn't have to make a Foxmen film. Just because they cross over doesn't mean a Xmen 7 needs to be made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 20:04:45 GMT 1
They would essentially be splitting their own fanbase and ensuring lower turnouts to their new movies, because people can only afford to see so many movies a year. Let me ask you this? Can you really see the FoX X-Men team ever doing any of the more interesting things from the comics? Like visiting The Savage Land, or doing a proper version of The Hellfire Club? No, because their own continuity is so warped away from what the X-Men really are, they could never be made "truer", because they've already been established as something completely foreign to the comics thanks to Fox's own embarrassment at making comic book movies. Marvel doesn't have to make a Foxmen film. Just because they cross over doesn't mean a Xmen 7 needs to be made. But they would have to make those versions of the characters consistent with what we saw back when Fox was in charge. And those characters and that setting were thoroughly established as "nothing like the source material". The FoX-Men don't do fun things like battle Sauron in The Savage Land. They don't do things like hang out with The Starjammers in outer space. Besides which, The Starjammers can't even exist in their setting because of how thoroughly they borked the Summers' storyline. The Fox X-Men stand around and naval gaze about racism while occasionaly waving their hands around and then stuff happens when they do that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 20:06:57 GMT 1
They would essentially be splitting their own fanbase and ensuring lower turnouts to their new movies, because people can only afford to see so many movies a year. Let me ask you this? Can you really see the FoX X-Men team ever doing any of the more interesting things from the comics? Like visiting The Savage Land, or doing a proper version of The Hellfire Club? No, because their own continuity is so warped away from what the X-Men really are, they could never be made "truer", because they've already been established as something completely foreign to the comics thanks to Fox's own embarrassment at making comic book movies. Marvel doesn't have to make a Foxmen film. Just because they cross over doesn't mean a Xmen 7 needs to be made. Patrick Stewart in the McU! I know I couldn’t say no to that!
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