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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 2:19:03 GMT 1
I haven't seen a single rumor with a credible source that says this will be the case. Why would you think this is what they're gonna do when they've played it so smart and played the long game for 12 years now? Well because A) it allows them to avoid retreading the same ground as previous incarnations of these characters. B) It allows the multiverse to play a big role in the MCU. C) It's just such a convenient way to bring them into the MCU fully formed. I hope they don't do it, but we'll see, I guess... I can't see it. Marvel Studios has just done too good of a job playing it smart for over a decade now for me to believe they'd bungle it now. Besides, they know they have a chance to do something with the X-Men no one has done it yet right off the bat: start at the very beginning of Mutantkind. They could literally put off familiar territory for at least another decade just showing us how Mutantkind came to be as well as it's backlash.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 26, 2020 10:59:29 GMT 1
How do we feel about this? I don't really like it. It's clever and convenient, but it only serves the team up movies. Where does it leave the solo movies? Will the F4 movie be about a quartet of alternate universe aliens from a parallel Earth adapting to our Earth? That's not a F4 movie. What say you? I just advise causation about using the multiverse. It’s convenient, but it’s not necessarily clever. Pulling characters out of alternate realities can be useful, like how we have a Gamora who never partnered up with Quill now. That could be clever and I really can’t wait to see how that plays out. I’m actually hoping they don’t hook up again but we’ll see. But pulling in characters that way seriously needs to be kept to a minimum I call it the magic hat problem, because if you start pulling out anything you want from the “multiverse” any time you need it, it becomes a cheap trick pretty quick. For the FF it depends. They could be in the Quantum Realm right now, or they could be working on the Peak for SWORD. IDK. It’s possible they got lost in the 50’s or something too so it’ll be neat to see how they play it. IDK if we’re calling the Quantum Realm part of the multiverse or not, but that’s the most you’d need to get them. The Xmen, IDK how an alternate reality helps there to be honest. Sure you could have the entire species walk in from an alt reality but them being in a new world would then automatically become the entire basis for their story. It would have to. But then again I really don’t know what they’re going to do with them. I’m tending to think a small group has remained isolated and their number will rapidly expand but IDK. I’m also guessing a lot of things like Magnetos Jewish origin might be shifted to a more modern atrocity so get ready for that. Either way, I don’t think the multiverse needs to be a solution here either.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 26, 2020 11:10:12 GMT 1
I wouldnt support that. And rumors... Right now there are a lot of rumors going around by lack of real news. Everything was on hold. So sites are making up all kinds of bull crap. I wouldnt put too much faith in that at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 17:54:50 GMT 1
Well because A) it allows them to avoid retreading the same ground as previous incarnations of these characters. B) It allows the multiverse to play a big role in the MCU. C) It's just such a convenient way to bring them into the MCU fully formed. I hope they don't do it, but we'll see, I guess... I can't see it. Marvel Studios has just done too good of a job playing it smart for over a decade now for me to believe they'd bungle it now. Besides, they know they have a chance to do something with the X-Men no one has done it yet right off the bat: start at the very beginning of Mutantkind. They could literally put off familiar territory for at least another decade just showing us how Mutantkind came to be as well as it's backlash. How can they show the beginning of mutantkind? If the characters suddenly get their powers they have no backstories with them. You can't have a Wolverine that just got his powers. Unless you mean... You're not saying... Baby X-Men movies?! Ok. Ok. I can dig it. Not a bad idea... Baby X-Men: First Class... of Kindergarten Baby X-Men: Mommy Loves, Daddy Kills Baby X-Men: Days of Nappy Naps This is a tremendous idea.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 26, 2020 18:06:37 GMT 1
It's completely unnecessary and compromises the MCU's status as a self-contained film universe. They can't go around using the multiverse to circumvent every difficult hurdle. No, the Fantastic Four and X-Men HAVE to come from the MCU Earth we've been following. I will accept no other answer. Besides which, we can't become invested in a Fantastic Four and X-Men who aren't a part of the MCU's main world. The Fantastic Four aren't going to want to stay on a different Earth. They'll go home and then we'll be stuck following two Earths in the series, and, yeah, that's not happening because it's confusing. Just ask DC. The Fantastic Four will be from the main MCU Earth and they will get their powers at some point in the future. This would also essentially be dumping the X-Men into a world they have no connection with and has no connection with them, and that's not how the X-Men work. The X-Men is all about the personal relationship stuff. It's part of how they function as a story and as a metaphor of discrimination. Prejudice is something that develops and the MCU would be doing itself a huge favor by showing the very beginning of Mutantkind as well as the beginning of the discrimination against them. If the X-Men are just plopped into the MCU from another reality, they bring none of that with them and cut off the chance to watch it develop. So no. Just no. They have to be from MCU Earth Prime, and it's not that hard to do it. If the MCU tries to use the multiverse as a shortcut, that will be the moment the series jumps the shark and dies. Besides which, there's no room to spinoff into other X-Men-related properties if Earth-Prime just gets a bunch of X-Men dumped into it without all the other characters and stories attached to them. The X-gene HAS to develop on the Earth Prime we've been following, and cutting corners just by dumping X-Men into it is lame and lazy. There is no purpose to doing this, because then none of the people who ostracized the various Mutants (who HAVE to be their own friends and families from before they status as a Mutant was exposed) would exist in the main MCU world. The Mutants HAVE to come from the main MCU Earth, as well as the people who turn them away and force them to band together at places like the Brotherhood or Xavier's school. What's the fun in getting Nightcrawler dumped into the MCU without any of the context surrounding him? They can't bring it all into the Earth Prime, so we'd be stuck with an alien visitor who can only mention his past in passing. So, what, we end up with some Mutants but none of the stuff related to them? BORING. Scott Summers is a better character if his missing and estranged family exist in the same universe for him to reunite and sometimes interact with. Otherwise, they're just left in the universe he came from, never interact with him. You seriously don't see how this is a bad idea? Magneto is only meaningful if he's intrinsically familiar with the world he's living in and can see a pattern of prejudice repeating, because he was there to live through it before. Xavier is only rich because he fucking inherited it. No one is going to build a man from another dimension a mansion to teach "gifted" students in. That's what I said; multiverses are dumb.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 26, 2020 19:17:01 GMT 1
No. Any multiverse intro is always going to feel contrived and too convenient. On top of that, mutants need to be born from regular humans in everyday society that slowly discover their emergence, rather than them coming from the big portal in the sky from another dimension.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 26, 2020 22:06:20 GMT 1
No. Any multiverse intro is always going to feel contrived and too convenient. On top of that, mutants need to be born from regular humans in everyday society that slowly discover their emergence, rather than them coming from the big portal in the sky from another dimension. This. If they just walk through a portal it’s a whole different thing. Plus guys, that is the worst possible use of the multiverse concept. Despite what dc has taught us, the multiverse can be more clever than just lazily not giving a shit about continuity.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 26, 2020 22:25:36 GMT 1
Multiverses are cool AF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 22:47:40 GMT 1
I can't see it. Marvel Studios has just done too good of a job playing it smart for over a decade now for me to believe they'd bungle it now. Besides, they know they have a chance to do something with the X-Men no one has done it yet right off the bat: start at the very beginning of Mutantkind. They could literally put off familiar territory for at least another decade just showing us how Mutantkind came to be as well as it's backlash. How can they show the beginning of mutantkind? If the characters suddenly get their powers they have no backstories with them. You can't have a Wolverine that just got his powers. Unless you mean... You're not saying... Baby X-Men movies?! Ok. Ok. I can dig it. Not a bad idea... Baby X-Men: First Class... of Kindergarten Baby X-Men: Mommy Loves, Daddy Kills Baby X-Men: Days of Nappy Naps This is a tremendous idea. Basically, yes. A small percentage of teenagers manifesting their mutants powers in the face of extreme hardship the Earth faced during the five year time skip after The Snap. Perhaps off the grid since Earth is kind borked at the moment. Many point to times of extreme hardship as the catalyst in which evolution gets jumpstarted and advancements out of sheer necessity begin happening. So that's what I'm thinking. We'll be seeing a generation of the first Mutants growing up and becoming the first Mutant leaders, and then they'll bring in the first X-Men team, "X-Men Evolution"-style. With perhaps a tiny handful of existing older Mutants with only mild mutations thrown in once the phenomenon is discovered at large, perhaps finding out for themselves for the first time that they're part of this new stage of humanity. This is unexplored territory for any X-Men film. Something neither the original series, nor the weird prequel/reboot hybrid series bothered trying. And if there needs to a short cut taken for just one or a few Mutants to spice things up so somebody can get some truly impressive powers early on, well, that's what the Eternals and the Celestials are for. Patience is key at this stage. Feige and Marvel Studios at large knows this, because they played the long game before. They held back going wild with the weirder aspects of Marvel's universe just so they build up to it properly. They waited once, they can wait a little while longer, and they know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 17:03:34 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 27, 2020 17:06:18 GMT 1
Their multiverse backstory will be be either too complex or too implausible... It's a no win situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 21:44:00 GMT 1
So it looks like I may be right about this after all!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 1:46:03 GMT 1
So it looks like I may be right about this after all!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 4:47:02 GMT 1
So it looks like I may be right about this after all! I doubt it. Feige is smart enough to know the MCU needs its own X-Men. I have no doubt that Evan Peters is actually playing either some poor local sap who got mind-controlled into this, or it's a form the real villain is taking on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 4:52:53 GMT 1
So it looks like I may be right about this after all! I doubt it. Feige is smart enough to know the MCU needs its own X-Men. I have no doubt that Evan Peters is actually playing either some poor local sap who got mind-controlled into this, or it's a form the real villain is taking on. Why cast him then? It’s not coincidence if that’s what you’re suggesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 4:59:53 GMT 1
I doubt it. Feige is smart enough to know the MCU needs its own X-Men. I have no doubt that Evan Peters is actually playing either some poor local sap who got mind-controlled into this, or it's a form the real villain is taking on. Why cast him then? It’s not coincidence if that’s what you’re suggesting. Even Peters is also a cast member of American Horror Story. It's more likely to a shoutout to when he played the biological father of the Devil's Son. Remember, this is the MCU. The most obvious answer isn't always the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:01:46 GMT 1
Why cast him then? It’s not coincidence if that’s what you’re suggesting. Even Peters is also a cast member of American Horror Story. It's more likely to a shoutout to when he played the biological father of the Devil's Son. Remember, this is the MCU. The most obvious answer isn't always the answer. Oh come on. You know they cast him because he played QS in previous movies. Seriously you guys shouldn’t doubt me on this. I was way ahead of the curb on it. I know precisely what Feige is planning. I am the McU expert.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:04:19 GMT 1
Even Peters is also a cast member of American Horror Story. It's more likely to a shoutout to when he played the biological father of the Devil's Son. Remember, this is the MCU. The most obvious answer isn't always the answer. Oh come on. You know they cast him because he played QS in previous movies. Seriously you guys shouldn’t doubt me on this. I was way ahead of the curb on it. I know precisely what Feige is planning. I am the McU expert. You also said they'd never use Rhody again. Now he's getting his own series.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:06:03 GMT 1
Oh come on. You know they cast him because he played QS in previous movies. Seriously you guys shouldn’t doubt me on this. I was way ahead of the curb on it. I know precisely what Feige is planning. I am the McU expert. You also said they'd never use Rhody again. Now he's getting his own series. Wrong. I said they would never use him in the movies again. And they won’t.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:08:56 GMT 1
You also said they'd never use Rhody again. Now he's getting his own series. Wrong. I said they would never use him in the movies again. And they won’t. They will. Just like all the other Disney+ series characters will also be in the films again. As for the FoX-Men. They can't and won't use them, becuase they don't fit. They're simply too untrue to the X-Men to be used int he MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:08:58 GMT 1
Wrong. I said they would never use him in the movies again. And they won’t. You'll be about that, too. Im right about these things, man. You should learn to trust me on them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:10:07 GMT 1
You'll be about that, too. Im right about these things, man. You should learn to trust me on them. I don't and I won't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:11:29 GMT 1
Im right about these things, man. You should learn to trust me on them. I don't and I won't. Oh!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:18:10 GMT 1
The FoX-Men don't fit, for one thing. They're also too unfaithful to the X-Men. If they try to use the FoX-Men in the MCU, the X-Men will continue to flounder in popularity, because they'd be using vastly inferior versions of the characters as compared to their comic book counterparts. They'd be working with characters whose personal timelines, backstories, and personalities are all twisted beyond comprehension and unrecognizable as the character they're supposed to be. You can't seriously think they're going to use that whiny Ty Sheridan Cyclops. Or expect us to accept the Dark Phoenix movie as a part of MCU canon. They'd lose so many paying customers if they did that. And James Marsden has moved on and he has contractual obligations to Sonic the Hedgehog, having him come back in a no-go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:31:04 GMT 1
The FoX-Men don't fit, for one thing. They're also too unfaithful to the X-Men. If they try to use the FoX-Men in the MCU, the X-Men will continue to flounder in popularity, because they'd be using vastly inferior versions of the characters as compared to their comic book counterparts. They'd be working with characters whose personal timelines, backstories, and personalities are all twisted beyond comprehension and unrecognizable as the character they're supposed to be. You can't seriously think they're going to use that whiny Ty Sheridan Cyclops. Or expect us to accept the Dark Phoenix movie as a part of MCU canon. They'd lose so many paying customers if they did that. And James Marsden has moved on and he has contractual obligations to Sonic the Hedgehog, having him come back in a no-go. I didn’t say they’d use the same exact cast or canon. I said they’d use the multiverse to introduce mutants. Some of those mutants indeed look like they will be played by the same cast members. But I expect the majority to be new actors, and not of the same canon as the other movies in the strictest sense. Just like Jamie Foxx is Electro from the multiverse- as is Molina, DaFoe and Church, as their respective characters- but with a new design and possibly a different backstory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:35:36 GMT 1
The FoX-Men don't fit, for one thing. They're also too unfaithful to the X-Men. If they try to use the FoX-Men in the MCU, the X-Men will continue to flounder in popularity, because they'd be using vastly inferior versions of the characters as compared to their comic book counterparts. They'd be working with characters whose personal timelines, backstories, and personalities are all twisted beyond comprehension and unrecognizable as the character they're supposed to be. You can't seriously think they're going to use that whiny Ty Sheridan Cyclops. Or expect us to accept the Dark Phoenix movie as a part of MCU canon. They'd lose so many paying customers if they did that. And James Marsden has moved on and he has contractual obligations to Sonic the Hedgehog, having him come back in a no-go. I didn’t say they’d use the same exact cast. I said they’d use the multiverse to introduce mutants. Some of those mutants indeed look like they will be played by the same cast members. But I expect the majority to be new actors, and not of the same canon as the other movies in the strictest sense. Just like Jamie Foxx is Electro, but with a new design and possibly a different backstory. That's also a beyond terrible idea. Mutants are only meaningful in the MCU if they emerge from the main MCU setting. The whole deal with the Mutants is that they began emerging from our own homes, neighborhoods, and cities due to a genetic evolution in OUR genes. That goes completely against the origins, purpose, and theme of the X-Men to have them now be interdimensional aliens instead of the next stage of human evolution. Now they're no different from Rocket Raccoon or Groot as far as this setting is concerned if they do that. I can't imagine the creative staff at Marvel Studios being so stupid to pull a stunt like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:38:50 GMT 1
I didn’t say they’d use the same exact cast. I said they’d use the multiverse to introduce mutants. Some of those mutants indeed look like they will be played by the same cast members. But I expect the majority to be new actors, and not of the same canon as the other movies in the strictest sense. Just like Jamie Foxx is Electro, but with a new design and possibly a different backstory. That's also a beyond terrible idea. Mutants are only meaningful in the MCU if they emerge from the main MCU setting. The whole deal with the Mutants is that they began emerging from our own homes, neighborhoods, and cities due to a genetic evolution in OUR genes. That goes completely against the origins, purpose, and theme of the X-Men to have them now be interdimensional aliens instead of the next stage of human evolution. Now they're no different from Rocket Raccoon or Groot as far as this setting is concerned if they do that. I can't imagine the creative staff at Marvel Studios being so stupid to pull a stunt like that. Don’t shoot the messenger. This isn’t my idea. It’s Feige’s. I’m just accurately predicting what the almighty will do next. Think of me as an MCU prophet. A Marvel Moses if you will. I bring you the commandments of God, but I didn’t write them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:43:23 GMT 1
That's also a beyond terrible idea. Mutants are only meaningful in the MCU if they emerge from the main MCU setting. The whole deal with the Mutants is that they began emerging from our own homes, neighborhoods, and cities due to a genetic evolution in OUR genes. That goes completely against the origins, purpose, and theme of the X-Men to have them now be interdimensional aliens instead of the next stage of human evolution. Now they're no different from Rocket Raccoon or Groot as far as this setting is concerned if they do that. I can't imagine the creative staff at Marvel Studios being so stupid to pull a stunt like that. Don’t shoot the messenger. This isn’t my idea. It’s Feige’s. I’m just accurately predicting what the almighty will do next. Think of me as an MCU prophet. A Marvel Moses if you will. I bring you the commandments of God, but I didn’t write them. If this turns out to be ture, God will lose a disciple. My interest in the MCU lasts as long as they persist in creating their own versions of Marvel characters. The day they stop making new iterations of Marvel Comic properties to use as their own is the day I walk away from this fandom for good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:46:01 GMT 1
Don’t shoot the messenger. This isn’t my idea. It’s Feige’s. I’m just accurately predicting what the almighty will do next. Think of me as an MCU prophet. A Marvel Moses if you will. I bring you the commandments of God, but I didn’t write them. If this turns out to be ture, God will lose a disciple. My interest in the MCU lasts as long as they persist in creating their own versions of Marvel characters. The day they stop making new iterations of Marvel Comic properties to use as their own is the day I walk away from this fandom for good. Blasphemous! Who are we to question the word of the almighty? Anyway, it’s bedtime for me, so excuse me while I scurry away to my sea coral cave...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 5:49:53 GMT 1
If this turns out to be ture, God will lose a disciple. My interest in the MCU lasts as long as they persist in creating their own versions of Marvel characters. The day they stop making new iterations of Marvel Comic properties to use as their own is the day I walk away from this fandom for good. Blasphemous! Who are we to question the word of the almighty? Anyway, it’s bedtime for me, so excuse me while I scurry away to my sea coral cave... I'm not joking around. I will have no reason to stop by Knowhere or Sakaar if they do it, becuase I will have nothing I want to talk about and I certainly won't be getting excited by any further entries in the MCU. 13 years of flawlessly pulling off a self-contained universe just to shit the bed now that they have control to tell the X-Men's stories the way they're meant to be told? Disney-Marvel's dealings with Sony are hard enough to swallow, but resorting to such short cuts for the X-Men when they don't need to will be the last straw.
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