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Updated list!!!!1
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 Civil War The Avengers X2 X Men United 5)Captain America The Winter Solider X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman Iron Man X Men 10) Black Panther Thor Ragnorockers Guardians of the Galaxy Logan Captain America TFA 15) Iron Mang 2 Guardians vol 2 Spiderman 3 X Men First Class Age of Ultron 20) Spiderman Homecoming Thor X Men Last Stand Dr Strange Captain Marvel 25) Ant Man The Wolverine Thor The Dark World Iron Man 3 Ant Man and the Wasp Woman 30) Spiderman Far From Home
Wow! 30 movies! What a long strange trip it's been!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 0:26:52 GMT 1
Infinity War
(Due to Thanos's snap half of my remaining reviews have vanished. This was one of them)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:41:57 GMT 1
WeirdRaptor’s “Avengers Endgame” Review
So many stories fail right when the plane is coming in for a landing. Some safely roll into their landing zone while others blast through the airport, into a neighboring daycare center in a fiery tragedy. A bad conclusion isn’t just a bad ending, it’s… well, to continue the airplane metaphor, it’s like an actual plane crash that just destroys everything when it slams into the earth in a flaming mess and all you can remember afterwards is the terror of watching it plow through the neighbors’ house.
Kind of like how the atrocious ending to “The X-Files” renders even the good, earlier seasons an unnecessary revisitation. It doesn’t matter how much intrigue, character development, and good will they built up in those first four solid seasons. All that matters is the slow descent into cow plop that happens after. Like, seriously, having it turn out that Mulder’s sister, after all the foreshadowing that it was aliens who took her and all the clues pointing to her abduction being connected to the government alien conspiracy, and it turns out… fairies took her away to Heaven so she wouldn’t live a miserable life? I’d say spoilers, but shit doesn’t spoil.
With that disappointment in mind, I can’t imagine not losing my sanity while writing the script for “Infinity War” and “Endgame” from the sheer pressure. I mean, the MCU had already accomplished what was no small feat in 2012 just by bringing a genius inventor billionaire, a man out of his time, a Norse god, an angry green science giant, and two spies together in a way that was palpable to audiences. It juggled 7-8 main characters, had to serve as the conclusion for five films, stuck its landing great, and set the course of the next six years of the series. Here we lie at the end of that road. Top that, anyone.
So, the biggest challenge of all was making a story that capped off 22 films with dozens of major characters whose stories either needed conclusions and/or a way to begin a transition towards something new. Man, and I get stuck on short stories I don’t intend to be longer than ten pages. I’m sure just reviewing these movies has made @raimiackbar feel like he’s conquered Mount Kilimanjaro. So, was this a satisfactory conclusion? Yes. I'd say it was. The road was a little bumpy and there were some stumbles along the way, but they accomplished the impossible and made a triumphant end to The Infinity Saga.
I think what some people have issues with is “Endgame's” unconventional nature. It is not a normal movie by any stretch. Its tone fluctuates from being pretty damn bleak in its first hour, to adventurous and somewhat light-hearted, and then right back to tense and grim in the final stretch. It starts with Clint Barton losing everything after turning his back for just a moment, and then the rest of the main cast just keeps losing until they’re left standing over Thanos’s decapitated corpse and no Infinity Stones to show for it. The hollowest victory of hollow victories. They’ve lost, Thanos won.
“Five Years Later”
My thoughts upon seeing these words in the theater were “Oh, this is going to hurt.”
From here, we catch glimpses of humanity trying to move on and cope, but nobody can let go of the good times before it all went to crap. Natasha tries to distract herself by being a loose mission control for whatever's left of The Avengers. Steve tries to honor Sam's memory by taking up holding support meetings for people. Rhody and Rocket blow shit up. Clint turns into the CW Arrow. But in the midst of the gloom, a glimmer of hope shines because of a brave rat that ventured into a storage unit and released Scott Lang from the Quantum Realm. From there a sense of momentum picks up, an air of things getting back into motion, and it sucks you in watching Scott Lang find out what's happened and then immediately checking on Cassie before turning to The Avengers for help.
I pretty much love everything up until we get to Thor Lebowski, which I feel is the film’s first major misstep of a few. I get it. I understand it. I have mixed feelings about it, though. I honestly kind of wish they’d switched what they did with Thor and Hawkeye, but not directly, and I’ll get into what I mean by that now. I wish Thor had become cold and withdrawn, ruling and protecting New Asgard as a not-quite-despot. I’d have him savagely defending New Asgard from potential black market or black ops invaders looking to create the cure for death out of experimenting with the long-lived Asgardian bodies. The scene where Thor violently tears the intruders apart after losing control would be frightening, and I’d show even Valkyrie fearing what he’s become.
Hulk and Rocket would arrive on the scene of him standing over the mushy, decimated remains of his puny human enemies, covered in their blood. After a short, uncomfortable conversation, they succeed in coaxing him onto their mission.
And Hawkeye I would have had become more like his comic book counterpart, now living in some dingy apartment with Lucky (his dog from the comics) while doing street hero work for families being menaced by gangs or whatever.
But you’re here to read about the real event… er, the first of the real events: The Time Heist:
In three words: I love it.
It was different from the norm. Most stories with time travel rely on trusty ol'Grandfather Paradox. After that, it always just becomes a mess of issues, and the problem is always either fixed too neatly or the heroes are forced to un-change time (and then still sometimes gets fixed too neatly).
“Endgame” takes one, hard look at that and says “Nah!” and flips the table.
I love that “Endgame” establishes, “No, you can’t change the present by changing the past.”
All you’ve done is create a new, alternate timeline, but you’ve helped your own reality none. What you can do is go into the past and bring back something with you. Like, say, those six gems Thanos used, abused, and destroyed five years ago. Only a bunch of maniacs would do it, so they do it. And it is AWESOME!! And they even put Thor Lebowski to good use with an absolutely wonderful return of Rene Russo as Frigga. Oh, that scene won Fat Thor over for me.
And the second main event, The Battle with Thanos and his army is also an absolute blast the true finale we needed. I love that the twist is that Thanos really is the main villain after months of everyone assuming he wouldn’t be. Aside from that cringy moment with the Women of Marvel, the final fight capped off everything perfectly with a heroic sacrifice from Tony and the knowledge that what happened following these events will have consequences in the future, even as soon as “Spider-Man: Far From Home”.
“The Avengers” in 2012 cemented down the highway for the next six years of MCU. “Endgame” cemented the highway for probably the next 12-15 years. Capping off the stories of Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanoff, and Thanos wonderfully and tragically.
Now, as an adaptation… it’s not an adaptation. Not really. Well, not an adaptation of a specific comic book story. It’s an adaptation of Marvel Comics as a concept, honestly, and we wouldn’t have it any other way.
Aside from some issues with Thor, I feel like they did a great job with all the characters, completing the journeys of several of them. Tony finally puts all his demons to rest and becomes the selfless hero we needed. Steve finally gets his dance with Peggy, Natasha finally washes the red out of her ledger, Clint is reunited with his family, Hulk finds his true purpose, and Thor finds himself again. And Rocke gets to play babysitter to The Guardians.
Thanos: I love that the Russos took such special care to show us Thanos as he really is. He’s not the savior he fancies himself to be. He’s a sadistic murderer, and he went about saving the universe as only a murderer can. By killing people. A lot of people. He even prioritized waiting for Ironman, Cap, and Thor to come out and fight him over getting the gauntlet as quickly as he could. He has earned his place as comic book movies’ new greatest villain. Sorry, Joker. You’ve been bumped down to second place.
All the supporting characters are spot on, too.
And lastly, there is no mid-credits or post-credits scene. This is a complete story. The last page of a book. My Final Grade: 9.5/10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:48:56 GMT 1
@weirdraptor A++ Well done! Great review.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:54:12 GMT 1
Thor woke up this morning and got himself a beer! The future's uncertain and the End Game is always near!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 24, 2020 21:54:14 GMT 1
Solid review, @weirdraptor. I’m not the biggest Endgame fan, though I recognize how goddam difficult writing that script must have been, but I truly loved the scenes with Frigg and Peggy, which I think are some of the best scenes the Marvel people have ever done. Those kind of made the movie for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:59:12 GMT 1
I think my favorite moment in the movie was when Thor summoned both hammers. In fact, Thor kind of stole the movie in my opinion. I don't like the fat jokes or how mean some of his so called friends are to him, but I love that they (the filmmakers, that is) let him become a broken man full of self doubt and extreme anxiety. His arc is the most compelling to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:07:57 GMT 1
Solid review, @weirdraptor . I’m not the biggest Endgame fan, though I recognize how goddam difficult writing that script must have been, but I truly loved the scenes with Frigg and Peggy, which I think are some of the best scenes the Marvel people have ever done. Those kind of made the movie for me. I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:12:52 GMT 1
Solid review, @weirdraptor . I’m not the biggest Endgame fan, though I recognize how goddam difficult writing that script must have been, but I truly loved the scenes with Frigg and Peggy, which I think are some of the best scenes the Marvel people have ever done. Those kind of made the movie for me. I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. I personally love it. It's so perfect. You're doing a time travel story so you gotta let the man out of time return to his time. It's so uniquely suited to this character. I don't view it as selfish because he's completed his mission and then some. He literally sacrificed his life already, which earns him the beautiful ending where he gets a chance to actually live it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:18:40 GMT 1
I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. I personally love it. It's so perfect. You're doing a time travel story so you gotta let the man out of time return to his time. It's so uniquely suited to this character. I don't view it as selfish because he's completed his mission and then some. He literally sacrificed his life already, which earns him the beautiful ending where he gets a chance to actually live it. That is all very true. And it's a mountain more preferable to what's been done to Steve repeatedly on the comic page since 2007, where Marvel Comics has pretty much made it its mission to just shit all over Steve Rogers over and over again. That probably helped put me in a place where I'm "Not How I Would Have Done It, But I'll Take It," with Old Man Steve.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 24, 2020 22:20:51 GMT 1
At the request of Mr. Ackbar, I present
ArArArchStanton's Avengers: Endgame Review
Avengers: Endgame is an absolute win on a scale that was completely unimaginable until a specific moment eight short years earlier, when Thanos himself turned his head and grinned at all of us. Was he grinning at his grand master plan? Sort of. The meta answer is actually that it wasn't even Thanos smiling at us at. That was Kevin Feige behind that smile, gloating at the Super Bowl style atmosphere every fan in the world was enjoying as we celebrated the unparalleled success of The Avengers, while also telling us, "you haven't seen anything yet".
And so we had not. For eight more years we followed in awe as the most ambitious collection of filmmakers of all time, dared to promise us the full on Infinity Gauntlet saga, and proceeded to ratchet up both the scale and quality every step along the way until the anticipation of them actually pulling it off had infected pop culture down to the DNA. Everybody who couldn't normally be bothered was all in on this one, geeks, dude bros, girlfriends and grandmas. Folks, I had a girl at the counter of the Basin fluffy girly soap company shaking with excitement asking me if I had seen Endgame the weekend it came out. My mom asked to watch it. This, movie, was, for, real.
And then it delivered. There isn't a bigger challenge in storytelling than to try to provide a satisfying ending to a long running series. You want x, they want y, but the only practical choices are ABC. I specifically wondered how they were going to pull off the famous Silver Surfer shuttle run to steal the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand. Spoiler - They didn't do it at all, and that's why these climax movies have such a hard time satisfying. Idiots like me have our own expectations, and they simply can't all be met.
And yet it delivered in spades. It completed story arcs the way nature intended, it gave us massive bold action that flowed with a seamless narrative of it's own, and it highlighted virtually every member of a cast so large it made previous high water marks like Avengers, Civil War, and Lord of the Rings, look like warm ups. It is a film that cannot be talked about enough for what it accomplished.
Every last character was given poetic attention, and the way they were able to interweave these story arcs, branching them off a central complex plot, and allowing each to bloom at their own moment was nothing short of sublime.
Captain America ending it where he began after giving everything he had for the world to end WWII, then gave everything he had one more time for the entire universe to end the Infinity War. Tony realizing he had been trying to cut all the wires, and that his best solution was to finally lay down on the one all reality was balanced on. Thor representing the utter grief of those the snap affected, and instead of finding his conclusion, his Endgame was to find peace and strength on the other side of unbearable loss. His lighthearted spirit contrasted by his sad appearance brilliantly betrayed how completely broken he is by the totality of his loss. Hulk, finally reaching his nirvana, and for that to be the ultimate solution to bringing everybody back. He never needed a rematch against Thanos, he needed to find the ultimate victory. And Natasha, who's life was redefined by finding a purpose within a new family, gave everything to save that family; specifically Hawkeye, who she figuratively gifted with a second chance at life before literally gifting him with a second chance at life.
And it's not just the original 6 who were well crafted to branch from the central time plot. This film is so sophisticated beyond almost any film before it, that it successfully integrates a slew of other characters. Ant Man becomes key in delivering the possibility of a solution. Captain Marvel shows up to not only save Tony, but to take down Thanos' ship at a do or die moment. Gamora is rebirthed into a version who never loved Starlord, creating a brand new dynamic. Nebula gets to literally reflect on who she used to be, and choose to be better. Dr Strange is clearly key. And Sam makes a grand entrance before highlighting the transition to the future of this franchise by humbling taking it's most iconic symbol. And these two paragraphs hardly do justice to only the handful of characters I've mentioned, not to mention the dozens of others who have so much depth in this film we could spend hours talking about them.
But the thread that weaves this all together is a patiently constructed narrative of time. The rules are solid, they are explained from two perspectives, and they allow for various characters to maximize their character arcs. Tony gets to help design the system along with Rocket and Bruce, and he also gets to reconcile with his father. Thor gets to find solace in saying goodbye to his mother and inspiration in proving he is still worthy. And Steve finally gets to come home from the war, like every soldier should, to the life he always wanted. And it's all beautifully executed.
As is the action. There are so many great action moments, but following the path of the Infinity Gauntlet is a masterclass of narrative storytelling in an action scene. So many films just have people hitting each other until it stops, but here we have a story, as Hawkeye passes the gauntlet to the new generation, Black Panther, then Spiderman, and finally Captain Marvel. Wanda gets a showcase, the trinity get their due, and nothing is more comicbook action than Spiderman carrying the Infinity Gauntlet on the back of a pegasus, ridden by Valkarie, who caught him flying on Thor's hammer, which was thrown by Captain America. Good frickin grief, we live in the nirvana age of comicbook filmmaking and I don't care if I've used the word nirvana twice in this post because they both apply.
This can go on forever, the elevator scene, Hulk being ashamed of his brutish self, Scott's reunion with Cassie, T'Challa's arrival, Bucky's knowing goodbye to Cap as though he knew he was gone forever, the possibilities of Old Steve remaining in the original timeline or in an alt line both working within the rules, the Ancient One's trust in Strange, the entirety of the portal's scene, and a ton of little updates, details, and references that are so vast they're still being uncovered. Jarvis!!!
Endgame is an unequivocal achievement in film. It took on the challenge of a world of expectations and delivered on every front. It is a rousing, emotional, and finely crafted conclusion that stands as the final seal of approval on the greatest cinematic achievement of all time.
Final ArArArRating - 1 Infinity War Out of Infinity Saga
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:25:28 GMT 1
If I had to list a complaint with End Game, and by extension Infinity War, it's that I don't always think the Russos do a great job with visuals and setting. The handheld cam is used sparingly enough so that I don't mind it, but I think the sets and locations are often kind of underwhelming. It all works perfectly fine, it's just not their strong suit. The Avengers warehouse, to name one example, is so visually forgettable compared to the Shield Hellicarrier of Whedon's movie. Also Titan just looks like a bunch rusted props in front of a green screen, which is far less interesting and immersive than anything in Gunn's movies or Watiti's Ragnorock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:26:08 GMT 1
Thanks Archie! Another A++!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 24, 2020 22:45:38 GMT 1
Solid review, @weirdraptor . I’m not the biggest Endgame fan, though I recognize how goddam difficult writing that script must have been, but I truly loved the scenes with Frigg and Peggy, which I think are some of the best scenes the Marvel people have ever done. Those kind of made the movie for me. I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. Agreed. Also, for me, the sheer human warmth of the Peggy/Steve dance makes up for a lot of flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:48:37 GMT 1
I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. Agreed. Also, for me, the sheer human warmth of the Peggy/Steve dance makes up for a lot of flaws. Yep. Steve/Peggy is the One True Ship to end One True Ships.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:22:59 GMT 1
Final List!!!!!!l1
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 Civil War Infinity War The Avengers 5) X2 X Men United End Game Captain America The Winter Solider X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman 10) Iron Man X Men Black Panther Thor Ragnorockers Guardians of the Galaxy 15) Logan Captain America TFA Iron Mang 2 Guardians vol 2 Spiderman 3 20) X Men First Class Age of Ultron Spiderman Homecoming Thor X Men Last Stand 25) Dr Strange Captain Marvel Ant Man The Wolverine Thor The Dark World 30) Iron Man 3 Ant Man and the Wasp Woman Spiderman Far From Home
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:25:13 GMT 1
You guys, we did it! 32 Marvelous Marvel movies straight! And I'll tell you what- I could do 32 more! Special thanks to Grandmaster for lending me his DVDs. Let's do it all again next month! Unless... Should I add all of my DC movies to this marathon too? ...Do I dare?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:30:11 GMT 1
You guys, we did it! 32 Marvelous Marvel movies straight! And I'll tell you what- I could do 32 more! Special thanks to Grandmaster for lending me his DVDs. Let's do it all again next month! Unless... Should I add all of my DC movies to this marathon too? ...Do I dare? It'd be even braver of you to include the old Marvel TV movies like, and the old "Howard the Duck" film. Is Mr. Ackber a brave boy?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 25, 2020 1:55:46 GMT 1
Solid review, @weirdraptor . I’m not the biggest Endgame fan, though I recognize how goddam difficult writing that script must have been, but I truly loved the scenes with Frigg and Peggy, which I think are some of the best scenes the Marvel people have ever done. Those kind of made the movie for me. I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. I honestly think it's simpler than that. Steve going home was what his arc was always about. I don't think it's really about Evans leaving or anything else. I view it as that is absolutely what needed to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 2:00:10 GMT 1
I think that's why I'm probably kinder to the handful of things I didn't like than I might otherwise be. For example, I have a minor quibble with Old Man Steve, since it's arguable that the world needs him more than ever, and some understandably see his decision to live with Peggy as being selfish. On the other hand, Chris Evans had made the decision to leave at the end of "Endgame", so the they had to write him out SOMEHOW, and they'd already killed off two OG Avengers. I can understand why they would think just killing Steve off, too, would have been too predictable and easy. There's no easy answer to this one. You either like it or you don't. I overall like it. I just don't love it. I honestly think it's simpler than that. Steve going home was what his arc was always about. I don't think it's really about Evans leaving or anything else. I view it as that is absolutely what needed to happen. It is the best option of the available ones.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 25, 2020 2:02:47 GMT 1
You guys, we did it! 32 Marvelous Marvel movies straight! And I'll tell you what- I could do 32 more! Special thanks to Grandmaster for lending me his DVDs. Let's do it all again next month! Unless... Should I add all of my DC movies to this marathon too? ...Do I dare? That is impressive sir. I have never done a straight through marathon. Amazing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 18:08:50 GMT 1
You guys, we did it! 32 Marvelous Marvel movies straight! And I'll tell you what- I could do 32 more! Special thanks to Grandmaster for lending me his DVDs. Let's do it all again next month! Unless... Should I add all of my DC movies to this marathon too? ...Do I dare? It'd be even braver of you to include the old Marvel TV movies like, and the old "Howard the Duck" film. Is Mr. Ackber a brave boy? Nah, he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 18:10:32 GMT 1
You guys, we did it! 32 Marvelous Marvel movies straight! And I'll tell you what- I could do 32 more! Special thanks to Grandmaster for lending me his DVDs. Let's do it all again next month! Unless... Should I add all of my DC movies to this marathon too? ...Do I dare? That is impressive sir. I have never done a straight through marathon. Amazing You haven't?! I assumed you did this every month! Give it a go, Archie! It's a goooooood time.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 25, 2020 19:14:10 GMT 1
That is impressive sir. I have never done a straight through marathon. Amazing You haven't?! I assumed you did this every month! Give it a go, Archie! It's a goooooood time. lolol. Did you really think I did that? I swear, you order one set of custom O6 blowup dolls and every one thinks you’re crazy.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 26, 2020 14:02:28 GMT 1
It was different from the norm. Most stories with time travel rely on trusty ol'Grandfather Paradox. After that, it always just becomes a mess of issues, and the problem is always either fixed too neatly or the heroes are forced to un-change time (and then still sometimes gets fixed too neatly). What and Endgame doesn't become a mess of pym particles, time gps devices and multiple copies of indivuduals mixed and matches in 1 timeline lmao. The timetravel in endgame is more messy and contrived than traditional time swaps like Back to the future, xmen and terminator. And with the unlimited pym particles they figured out how to get, they could just keep hopping back into different timelines to get as many infinity gems they wanted into the prime timeline. You can end up with a scenario that results in 100 infinity gaunlets all in the same timeline, thats absurd. Also if somone dies in the prime timeline, no problem you can just hop into another timeline and bring them back!! Talk about lessening the stakes because death of someone like Gamora can just be remedied by kidnapping another Gamora from a different timeline and bringing them back to prime like they did. The grandfather method of timelines is more clean and tense. One mistake and you're screwed. Endgame timetravel had many safety nets and loopholes
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 26, 2020 16:13:57 GMT 1
It was different from the norm. Most stories with time travel rely on trusty ol'Grandfather Paradox. After that, it always just becomes a mess of issues, and the problem is always either fixed too neatly or the heroes are forced to un-change time (and then still sometimes gets fixed too neatly). What and Endgame doesn't become a mess of pym particles, time gps devices and multiple copies of indivuduals mixed and matches in 1 timeline lmao. The timetravel in endgame is more messy and contrived than traditional time swaps like Back to the future, xmen and terminator. And with the unlimited pym particles they figured out how to get, they could just keep hopping back into different timelines to get as many infinity gems they wanted into the prime timeline. You can end up with a scenario that results in 100 infinity gaunlets all in the same timeline, thats absurd. Also if somone dies in the prime timeline, no problem you can just hop into another timeline and bring them back!! Talk about lessening the stakes because death of someone like Gamora can just be remedied by kidnapping another Gamora from a different timeline and bringing them back to prime like they did. The grandfather method of timelines is more clean and tense. One mistake and you're screwed. Endgame timetravel had many safety nets and loopholes what? The time travel couldn’t be more simple and straightforward. And they can’t just steal other versions or make infinite infinity gauntlets without creating tons of timeline branches. So the MCU multiverse concept has at least started out doing everything it can not to be a magic hat.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 26, 2020 17:38:48 GMT 1
what? The time travel couldn’t be more simple and straightforward. And they can’t just steal other versions or make infinite infinity gauntlets without creating tons of timeline branches. So the MCU multiverse concept has at least started out doing everything it can not to be a magic hat. The timelines can branch but if they can retrieve 1 set of infinity gems then they could go to 100 different timelines and bring back 100 sets of infinity gems into the prime universe because they had basically unlimited pym particles. They managed to shift gamora between timelines after she died in the prime timeline. They could do that and reanimate Tony Stark, Black widow and whoever else died. All they need are pym particles, a time gps device and quantum suits. Its very contrived and messy than having traditional time travel.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 26, 2020 18:03:29 GMT 1
what? The time travel couldn’t be more simple and straightforward. And they can’t just steal other versions or make infinite infinity gauntlets without creating tons of timeline branches. So the MCU multiverse concept has at least started out doing everything it can not to be a magic hat. The timelines can branch but if they can retrieve 1 set of infinity gems then they could go to 100 different timelines and bring back 100 sets of infinity gems into the prime universe because they had basically unlimited pym particles. They managed to shift gamora between timelines after she died in the prime timeline. They could do that and reanimate Tony Stark, Black widow and whoever else died. All they need are pym particles, a time gps device and quantum suits. Its very contrived and messy than having traditional time travel. Except they aren’t going to do any of that so there’s nothing to worry about. No mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 19:53:57 GMT 1
It was different from the norm. Most stories with time travel rely on trusty ol'Grandfather Paradox. After that, it always just becomes a mess of issues, and the problem is always either fixed too neatly or the heroes are forced to un-change time (and then still sometimes gets fixed too neatly). What and Endgame doesn't become a mess of pym particles, time gps devices and multiple copies of indivuduals mixed and matches in 1 timeline lmao. The timetravel in endgame is more messy and contrived than traditional time swaps like Back to the future, xmen and terminator. And with the unlimited pym particles they figured out how to get, they could just keep hopping back into different timelines to get as many infinity gems they wanted into the prime timeline. You can end up with a scenario that results in 100 infinity gaunlets all in the same timeline, thats absurd. Also if somone dies in the prime timeline, no problem you can just hop into another timeline and bring them back!! Talk about lessening the stakes because death of someone like Gamora can just be remedied by kidnapping another Gamora from a different timeline and bringing them back to prime like they did. The grandfather method of timelines is more clean and tense. One mistake and you're screwed. Endgame timetravel had many safety nets and loopholes You know, your time would be better spent not trying to pick fights with me every time I say anything. Now is not the time for fandom division. I like the MCU, you don't like the MCU. I don't like the Fox X-Men films, but you do like the Fox X-Men films. It's as simple as that and we're not going to chang each other's minds. And no, I'm not going to debate this with you.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 26, 2020 21:44:48 GMT 1
fights with me every time I say anything. Now is not the time for fandom division. I like the MCU, you don't like the MCU. I don't like the Fox X-Men films, but you do like the Fox X-Men films. It's as simple as that and we're not going to chang each other's minds. And no, I'm not going to debate this with you. I feel obliged to point out the flaws when anyone hypes up Endgame, you dont have to respond but I cant let it go unanswered.
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