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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 1:32:05 GMT 1
Guardians of the Galaxy The following review will be written entirely in Groot... I am Groot. I am Groot. I AM Groot. I am GROOT. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I... am.... Groot. We are Groot. Could you translate this? I feel like everyone else understood this. I didnt take this language as an elective in school. Look who's the fool now? Me! Damn women studies class! Useless like they all said it is
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 19:20:26 GMT 1
Updated list!!!!1 Marvel Movies from First to Worst... 1) Spiderman 2 The Avengers X2 X Men United Captain America The Winter Solider 5) X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman Iron Man X Men Guardians of the Galaxy 10)Logan Captain America TFA Iron Mang 2 Spiderman 3 X Men First Class 15) Thor Captain Marvel X Men Last Stand Ant Man The Wolverine 20) Thor The Dark World Iron Man 3 Spiderman Far From Home Man, it is getting harder and harder to place movies on this list. I feel like I could do this all again next month and the list would change. Solid list ghost ackbar. But BIG no on captain marvel being top 20 material. It won't be there for long, I suspect. I've still got seven marvel movies to go...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:27:34 GMT 1
Age of Ultron
Well, there's no other way to say it: this is the worst Avengers movie. When people ask why this was considered disappointing I just tell them to watch Civil War and Infiinty War. But... This is certainly not a bad movie. It just lacks the novelty of the first, the intelligence and drama of Civil War, the stakes of IW and the payoffs of End Game.
But because Phase 3 gave me everything I wanted from Avengers sequels I can now go back and accept this one as the fun comic book romp that is. And it is a fun one. Its shortcomings are now perfectly acceptable in hindsight because, again, the sequels more than delivered. I also could never call it filler because after all this one gave us the SCARLETT WITCHY WITCH!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 10, 2020 19:51:04 GMT 1
Spiderman 3 A deeply flawed feature to be sure, but damn entertaining. I hated it when it came out and over time grew to really enjoy it. It's a really fun watch. GET UP AND DRIVE YOUR FUNKY SOUL!!!!!@!!!!&!! I mentioned this at v2.0, but I caught about 45 mins. of SM3 on TV last night, not having seen it in years—and I really, really enjoyed it. The pacing and color scheme in particular are top-notch. I always thought it was underrated; now I think I’m a positive fan of the movie. Sure, there are flaws, and it’s not SM2, but what is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 20:29:30 GMT 1
Spiderman 3 A deeply flawed feature to be sure, but damn entertaining. I hated it when it came out and over time grew to really enjoy it. It's a really fun watch. GET UP AND DRIVE YOUR FUNKY SOUL!!!!!@!!!!&!! I mentioned this at v2.0, but I caught about 45 mins. of SM3 on TV last night, not having seen it in years—and I really, really enjoyed it. The pacing and color scheme in particular are top-notch. I always thought it was underrated; now I think I’m a positive fan of the movie. Sure, there are flaws, and it’s not SM2, but what is? I didn't mention this in my review above but I LOVE that "Peter tries to be cool" montage. It's so great, and completely misunderstood by critics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 21:15:50 GMT 1
Updated list!!!!1
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 The Avengers X2 X Men United Captain America The Winter Solider 5) X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman Iron Man X Men Guardians of the Galaxy 10)Logan Captain America TFA Iron Mang 2 Spiderman 3 X Men First Class 15) Age of Ultron Thor X Men Last Stand Captain Marvel Ant Man 20)The Wolverine Thor The Dark World Iron Man 3 Spiderman Far From Home
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 22:11:52 GMT 1
I mentioned this at v2.0, but I caught about 45 mins. of SM3 on TV last night, not having seen it in years—and I really, really enjoyed it. The pacing and color scheme in particular are top-notch. I always thought it was underrated; now I think I’m a positive fan of the movie. Sure, there are flaws, and it’s not SM2, but what is? I didn't mention this in my review above but I LOVE that "Peter tries to be cool" montage. It's so great, and completely misunderstood by critics. No, people who are critical of the scene understand it, but just like "Martha" from BvS, understanding it does not equate to liking it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 14:19:13 GMT 1
Age of Ultron Well, there's no other way to say it: this is the worst Avengers movie. When people ask why this was considered disappointing I just tell them to watch Civil War and Infiinty War. But... This is certainly not a bad movie. It just lacks the novelty of the first, the intelligence and drama of Civil War, the stakes of IW and the payoffs of End Game. But because Phase 3 gave me everything I wanted from Avengers sequels I can now go back and accept this one as the fun comic book romp that is. And it is a fun one. Its shortcomings are now perfectly acceptable in hindsight because, again, the sequels more than delivered. I also could never call it filler because after all this one gave us the SCARLETT WITCHY WITCH! I also could never call it filler because after all this one gave us the SCARLETT WITCHY WITCH! Feige just made this the opening line of the blurb behind the cover of all future Ultron DVDS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 18:38:27 GMT 1
Age of Ultron Well, there's no other way to say it: this is the worst Avengers movie. When people ask why this was considered disappointing I just tell them to watch Civil War and Infiinty War. But... This is certainly not a bad movie. It just lacks the novelty of the first, the intelligence and drama of Civil War, the stakes of IW and the payoffs of End Game. But because Phase 3 gave me everything I wanted from Avengers sequels I can now go back and accept this one as the fun comic book romp that is. And it is a fun one. Its shortcomings are now perfectly acceptable in hindsight because, again, the sequels more than delivered. I also could never call it filler because after all this one gave us the SCARLETT WITCHY WITCH! I also could never call it filler because after all this one gave us the SCARLETT WITCHY WITCH! Feige just made this the opening line of the blurb behind the cover of all future Ultron DVDS He also pops on screen after Black Widow's "beep beep" line to say "Forgive that stupidity. More WITCHY WITCH coming up!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 19:38:41 GMT 1
Civil War
Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it.
Guys, we may have a new number one....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 20:20:30 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... And the most brilliant part is... Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong, simultaneously. You can't totally be for or against either one once you've really considered all the implications and subtleties of the entire situation. They each had legit reasons for what they all did, and they all done-goofed in some way along the way in this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 20:42:17 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... And the most brilliant part is... Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong, simultaneously. You can't totally be for or against either one once you've really considered all the implications and subtleties of the entire situation. They each had legit reasons for what they all did, and they all done-goofed in some way along the way in this one. Absolutely true. I can imagine how difficult it was trying to get that part right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 20:49:57 GMT 1
And the most brilliant part is... Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong, simultaneously. You can't totally be for or against either one once you've really considered all the implications and subtleties of the entire situation. They each had legit reasons for what they all did, and they all done-goofed in some way along the way in this one. Absolutely true. I can imagine how difficult it was trying to get that part right. I think that's the reason no main character died in this one. If Rhody had actually died in his crash, it'd have tipped sympathy too far in favor of Team Ironman's side, or if Tony had actually managed to kill Bucky like he wanted, it'd have tipped sympathy too far in Team Cap's favor. The balancing act in all the writing sessions had to be a nightmare.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 12, 2020 14:50:12 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 16:59:35 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo Someone's salty that "Civil War" kicked the crap out "Apocalypse". lol
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Post by charzhino on Jul 12, 2020 18:05:12 GMT 1
Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo Someone's salty that "Civil War" kicked the crap out "Apocalypse". lol Not really. Apocalypse is better but I don't see how thats got anything to do with what I said
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 18:30:24 GMT 1
Someone's salty that "Civil War" kicked the crap out "Apocalypse". lol Not really. Apocalypse is better but I don't see how thats got anything to do with what I said Yeah, sure, whatever. You're not fooling anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 18:41:38 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo
Well, these are certainly valid points but I strongly disagree with one in particular...The other Winter Soldier threat is a brilliant red herring, It leads the audience to believe that the movie will feature a predictable ending with Tony and Cap overcoming their differences to defeat the obvious villains only to deliver a far more surprising and personal climax. Had the trailers not spoiled the true climax it would have been more appreciated. I also don't think it's an issue that no one dies because the true tragedy is the fracturing of the Avengers. Someone dying would've overshadowed that. Rhodey should've been written out though after his injury. The miracle fix was a big cop out. The grey scale is an issue that I have with Age of Ultron and Doctor Strange especially. I don't think it's an issue in Civil War. Though I do keep my contrast jacked up on my tv's movie setting so maybe that's why. But I think this one looks pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 18:46:33 GMT 1
Updated list!!!!1
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 Civil War The Avengers X2 X Men United 5)Captain America The Winter Solider X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman Iron Man X Men 10) Guardians of the Galaxy Logan Captain America TFA Iron Mang 2 Spiderman 3 15) X Men First Class Age of Ultron Thor X Men Last Stand Captain Marvel 20) Ant Man The Wolverine Thor The Dark World Iron Man 3 Spiderman Far From Home
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Post by charzhino on Jul 13, 2020 18:56:13 GMT 1
Well, these are certainly valid points but I strongly disagree with one in particular...The other Winter Soldier threat is a brilliant red herring, It leads the audience to believe that the movie will feature a predictable ending with Tony and Cap overcoming their differences to defeat the obvious villains only to deliver a far more surprising and personal climax. Had the trailers not spoiled the true climax it would have been more appreciated. I can see why that would be a positive. The little clip of the winter soldiers displaying their power was a cool moment and would've liked to see how they took on Cap and Tony in a fight, but as you've explained it the red herring its fine they went the other way. Rhodey sticking around was a terrible decision yeah. Someone dying I think would have hyper-emphasized the fractured split of the group to have consquences that were ever lasting. Even the so called fracturing the Avengers only lasted for a little while until they all re-organised and took on Thanos, so ultimatley looking back, nothing came about Zemos plan in the long run and you can argue Civil War is pointless. In fact someone did die and that was T'Challas father, and that affected him and progressed his arc into Black Panther. If only they did that with one of Steve or Tony. Imagine if Rhodey actually died (or Pepper in IM3), how that would have changed Starks worldview and almost permenantly severed his relationship with Cap.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 13, 2020 20:12:06 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo I think I’m going to have to agree with much of this. I really wanted to like this one; I’d heard it followed through on the seriousness of Winter Soldier, which I liked (largely because of Redford). But I just found it—meh. The villain was meh, the accords really went nowhere, the conflict felt forced, the superpower action sequences didn’t fit in with the attempt at a serious tone. Now I wouldn’t really call the dropped plot-threads a “bait and switch”—more just, well, dropped plot-threads. The script seemed like it needed a few more drafts, to say the least, and it didn’t surprise: it told the story more or less as you (or at least I) would expect. I guess hedonistic Stark being pro-Accords and soldier Rogers being anti-Accords was a bit of a surprise, but it wasn’t set up that well. More than anything, the actual filmmaking struck me as ugly: as you say, the colors are bland, the shaky cam is irritating, the shots seem developed by committee rather than by a distinctive personality. (Compare with how interesting Iron Man and The First Avenger look, let alone the Raimi Spider-Mans or the Burton Batmans.) On the other hand, I found many of the shots in The Dark Knight indistinctive as well, so in part I agree with @raimiackbar’s comparison—just to a different end. All right, now I’ve probably won the enmity of half the forum—but this one just so disappointed me.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 13, 2020 20:40:52 GMT 1
AQUA SALZ!I dont think so. You make your argument and why you feel that way. Why would that make you an enemy? This is not a fan forum. At least not for a specific property. Everyone can speak their minds and hearts here. Attacking someone for their opinions? That I wont allow. So carry on, nothing to see here. 😉
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 13, 2020 20:50:47 GMT 1
AQUA SALZ! I dont think so. You make your argument and why you feel that way. Why would that make you an enemy? This is not a fan forum. At least not for a specific property. Everyone can speak their minds and hearts here. Attacking someone for their opinions? That I wont allow. So carry on, nothing to see here. 😉 Oh, I was just kidding on the enmity crack, but thank you, GM. I just don’t like sounding relentlessly negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:11:07 GMT 1
Well, these are certainly valid points but I strongly disagree with one in particular...The other Winter Soldier threat is a brilliant red herring, It leads the audience to believe that the movie will feature a predictable ending with Tony and Cap overcoming their differences to defeat the obvious villains only to deliver a far more surprising and personal climax. Had the trailers not spoiled the true climax it would have been more appreciated. I can see why that would be a positive. The little clip of the winter soldiers displaying their power was a cool moment and would've liked to see how they took on Cap and Tony in a fight, but as you've explained it the red herring its fine they went the other way. Rhodey sticking around was a terrible decision yeah. Someone dying I think would have hyper-emphasized the fractured split of the group to have consquences that were ever lasting. Even the so called fracturing the Avengers only lasted for a little while until they all re-organised and took on Thanos, so ultimatley looking back, nothing came about Zemos plan in the long run and you can argue Civil War is pointless. In fact someone did die and that was T'Challas father, and that affected him and progressed his arc into Black Panther. If only they did that with one of Steve or Tony. Imagine if Rhodey actually died (or Pepper in IM3), how that would have changed Starks worldview and almost permenantly severed his relationship with Cap. I guess I just love how the ending of this one pays off the threads of Cap, Bucky, Hydra and the Stark family by drawing on everything set up in the previous movies to pit Stark and Rogers against each other in such an emotionally charged battle. The history of it is just so rich with Stark's deep unresolved daddy issues, Cap and Bucky's origin with Howard, and of course Cap's friendship with Howard's son Tony. And I wouldn't say it's pointless. I mean, the consequences aren't meant to be permenant they're only meant to set up their defeat in IW and their reconciliation in End Game. But I get your point. I actually Think Bucky maybe should've died at Tony's hand because he does absolutely nothing worth while in the following movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:14:13 GMT 1
AQUA SALZ! I dont think so. You make your argument and why you feel that way. Why would that make you an enemy? This is not a fan forum. At least not for a specific property. Everyone can speak their minds and hearts here. Attacking someone for their opinions? That I wont allow. So carry on, nothing to see here. 😉 Oh, I was just kidding on the enmity crack, but thank you, GM. I just don’t like sounding relentlessly negative. I agree with The Grandmaster, I welcome supporting and dissenting views here. It's not interesting if everyone agrees! I am curious though, if the trailers had not spoiled it would you not have been surprised that the climax turned out to be a brutal battle between Tony and Cap? I mean, I suppose it's not surprising in that the title is "CivilWar" but the misdirection of their alliance to defeat a team of winter soldiers would've had me expecting it to go the Batman v Superman route, where they fight and then make up to take on a greater threat.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jul 13, 2020 21:53:46 GMT 1
Oh, I was just kidding on the enmity crack, but thank you, GM. I just don’t like sounding relentlessly negative. I agree with The Grandmaster, I welcome supporting and dissenting views here. It's not interesting if everyone agrees! I am curious though, if the trailers had not spoiled it would you not have been surprised that the climax turned out to be a brutal battle between Tony and Cap? I mean, I suppose it's not surprising in that the title is "CivilWar" but the misdirection of their alliance to defeat a team of winter soldiers would've had me expecting it to go the Batman v Superman route, where they fight and then make up to take on a greater threat. Oh, I was just kidding! And of course I know you welcome dissenting views, m’friend. I don’t actually remember seeing any trailers… (I watched it after the fact for that v2.0 “Salzmank Reviews” thread.) Hm, I guess it’s true their not getting together at the end or finding a common enemy was a bit surprising by modern blockbuster standards… Yeah, I do remember thinking, It just ends there? That said, I knew they would be together in another movie soon, and that last battle did seem more than a little contrived—but taking the movie on its own terms, touché.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jul 13, 2020 23:32:44 GMT 1
Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo
Well, these are certainly valid points but I strongly disagree with one in particular...The other Winter Soldier threat is a brilliant red herring, It leads the audience to believe that the movie will feature a predictable ending with Tony and Cap overcoming their differences to defeat the obvious villains only to deliver a far more surprising and personal climax. Had the trailers not spoiled the true climax it would have been more appreciated. I also don't think it's an issue that no one dies because the true tragedy is the fracturing of the Avengers. Someone dying would've overshadowed that. Rhodey should've been written out though after his injury. The miracle fix was a big cop out. The grey scale is an issue that I have with Age of Ultron and Doctor Strange especially. I don't think it's an issue in Civil War. Though I do keep my contrast jacked up on my tv's movie setting so maybe that's why. But I think this one looks pretty good. Honestly when I was watching it for the first time I actually thought that we were going to see Captain America and Iron Man fight the Winter Soldiers with the Climax of the film being Iron Man vs Captain America. Needless to say I was actually surprised by the twist with Zemo killing them before the arrival of Tony and Steve. I do agree that Bucky should have been killed by Tony. That would have the Final fight even more dramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 0:00:40 GMT 1
Civil War Oh this is it, you guys. This is the MCU's masterpiece. I like to describe it as Marvel's The Dark Knight. The screenplay is an act of pure wizardry. It's a brilliant sequel to Cap 1-2, but also Age of Ultron, and a perfect set up for Avengers 3 and Black Panther. It has intelligence, it has depth, it has real genuine emotion. We get the magnificent airport battle to showcase the various characters in all their comic book glory, but then... THEN we get the climax. The Cap, Bucky, Stark fight takes the MCU to a level of pure intensity and drama that I never thought it would reach, bringing together threads from so many movies to create a powerful superhero tragedy. I love it. Guys, we may have a new number one.... Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo
Yeah I didnt like Zemo either. Hopefully the show can rectify my dislike for him. Ive read the civil war comic and I was a bit disappointed in the film. The stakes it presented werent as gripping for me personally
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 1:05:46 GMT 1
Even with Zemos mega convoluted plan, the camera that happens to be at the right place at the right time to capture Bucky assasinating the Starks, the ''you killed my mom'' scene which is no worse than the Martha scene, Tony Stark contradicting himself by bringing a kid into dangerous scenario when earlier he was guilt shamed into the death of a kid from his recklessness in Sokovia, the bait and switch of the accords storyline that goes no where, the bait and switch of the 5 winter soldiers storyline that goes nowhere, the shoehorning of ant-man who was supposed to avoid getting in trouble for his daughters sake and hawkeye who was supposed to retire because of his family and quicksilvers death, and the fact the movie has no resemblence of the gravity to the comic story line it's based off?
And then you get the non-story flaws like the fast cut shaky cam fight scenes, the bland colour palette, the forgetable score, the permeating dull greyscale, the fact vision could have solved the conflict a lot earlier, the cringey comedy tony STANK at the end of a powerful superhero tragedy (where no one dies and there is no lasting fractured relationships between any of them). To even mention it in the same sentence as the Dark Knight is heavily undeserved imo
Yeah I didnt like Zemo either. Hopefully the show can rectify my dislike for him. Ive read the civil war comic and I was a bit disappointed in the film. The stakes it presented werent as gripping for me personally The comic was godawful. It was the beginning of everything I've come to hate about Marvel's comics, so yeah, I lay the blame for all the crap that's happened since then on it. It's so bad I was convinced they could never make a good movie out of it, and I was pleasantly surprised when the film was brilliant. Being as different as possible from the comic Civil War storyline is the single best decision the MCU ever made.
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