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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 6, 2022 6:16:10 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. Though hasn't one of your main complaints about the movie been about the end stuff with the Riddler being included just to be 'topical'? How is that different to social commentary?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 6:17:04 GMT 1
You overlooked three more possibilities like I did just then haha According to every source I've heard, they've scrubbed out all the fun comic book stuff. Not interested. For what it’s worth I thought the opposite. In a lot of ways it was very comic booky. It felt exactly how it feels when reading The Long Halloween.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 6:18:24 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. Though hasn't one of your main complaints about the movie been about the end stuff with the Riddler being included just to be 'topical'? How is that different to social commentary? Only because it seemed out of character to me for Riddler. The presence of the commentary itself wasn’t an issue in principle, just better suited for Joker than Riddler. But touché.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 6, 2022 7:16:51 GMT 1
According to every source I've heard, they've scrubbed out all the fun comic book stuff. Not interested. For what it’s worth I thought the opposite. In a lot of ways it was very comic booky. It felt exactly how it feels when reading The Long Halloween. What fantastic elements were in the film? I don't mean Bane venom, I mean something that indicates "This Batman could possibly go up against supernatural zombie Solomon Grundy in a future sequel" fantastical. That's what I want. I'm done with grounded Batman who never fights any of his more out-there villains. I want villains who can induce hypnosis with their minds, I want Clayface, I want Gentleman Ghost, I want Man-Bat, I want Spellbinder.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 6, 2022 7:20:53 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. I'm not scared of social commentary. I'm just tired of being preached at by a bunch of out-of-touch liberals who have lived sheltered lives and aren't actually even half as smart as they think they are. It's not just "a little social commentary". It's a constant preaching and pushing agendas that I'm tired of. In essence, keep your damn politics out of my entertainment if you're going to demonize everyone of a certain political spectrum (usually everyone who identifies as Conservative), race (always white people), or sexuality. And as for "white privilege"... There are poor, unprivileged white people, too. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 7:21:03 GMT 1
For what it’s worth I thought the opposite. In a lot of ways it was very comic booky. It felt exactly how it feels when reading The Long Halloween. What fantastic elements were in the film? I don't mean Bane venom, I mean something that indicates "This Batman could possibly go up against supernatural zombie Solomon Grundy in a future sequel" fantastical. That's what I want. I'm done with grounded Batman who never fights any of his more out-there villains. I want villains who can induce hypnosis with their minds, I want Clayface, I want Gentleman Ghost, I want Man-Bat, I want Spellbinder. Fair enough. Riddler and Penguin have been my favorite Bat villains since I was a kid so I was happy enough with them. I’m not all that big on his supernatural villains personally. I do want Mr Freeze though. And I think he will work great here.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 6, 2022 7:24:56 GMT 1
What fantastic elements were in the film? I don't mean Bane venom, I mean something that indicates "This Batman could possibly go up against supernatural zombie Solomon Grundy in a future sequel" fantastical. That's what I want. I'm done with grounded Batman who never fights any of his more out-there villains. I want villains who can induce hypnosis with their minds, I want Clayface, I want Gentleman Ghost, I want Man-Bat, I want Spellbinder. Fair enough. Riddler and Penguin have been my favorite Bat villains since I was a kid so I was happy enough with them. I’m not all that big on his supernatural villains personally. I do want Mr Freeze though. And I think he will work great here. What about the parts of the Batman fanbase who are big on his supernatural enemies?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 13:39:24 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 7, 2022 2:24:34 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. I'm not scared of social commentary. I'm just tired of being preached at by a bunch of out-of-touch liberals who have lived sheltered lives and aren't actually even half as smart as they think they are. It's not just "a little social commentary". It's a constant preaching and pushing agendas that I'm tired of. In essence, keep your damn politics out of my entertainment if you're going to demonize everyone of a certain political spectrum (usually everyone who identifies as Conservative), race (always white people), or sexuality. And as for "white privilege"... There are poor, unprivileged white people, too. Just saying. Also, it always comes from the same side. Where are the conservative messages to make liberals think outside of their box sometime? Answer: Those movies aren't allowed to be made by major studios.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 7, 2022 2:27:11 GMT 1
So confirm this for me. The Wayne’s are now defined by white privilege? Is that a thing? I saw the movie today and it is a thing. It's not a huge thing, but the world view that foster's the notion of white privilege, among other things, permeates the subtext of the film.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2022 2:38:19 GMT 1
So confirm this for me. The Wayne’s are now defined by white privilege? Is that a thing? I saw the movie today and it is a thing. It's not a huge thing, but the world view that foster's the notion of white privilege, among other things, permeates the subtext of the film. Thank you, and this is what I was talking about. If it is about the nature of the characters then it applies to the entire film. It’s not just “one quick line”. But if it’s not a huge thing that’s something else. I appreciate it as I was curious. You can never tell with Internet reactions about this kind of thing but I can always trust Taylor’s take
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 7, 2022 2:50:57 GMT 1
I'm not scared of social commentary. I'm just tired of being preached at by a bunch of out-of-touch liberals who have lived sheltered lives and aren't actually even half as smart as they think they are. It's not just "a little social commentary". It's a constant preaching and pushing agendas that I'm tired of. In essence, keep your damn politics out of my entertainment if you're going to demonize everyone of a certain political spectrum (usually everyone who identifies as Conservative), race (always white people), or sexuality. And as for "white privilege"... There are poor, unprivileged white people, too. Just saying. Also, it always comes from the same side. Where are the conservative messages to make liberals think outside of their box sometime? Answer: Those movies aren't allowed to be made by major studios. Exactly. It'd be nice to watch a recent movie and know I'm not going to get the finger pointed at me like I'm the enemy just because I don't lean Blue.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 7, 2022 2:51:23 GMT 1
I saw the movie today and it is a thing. It's not a huge thing, but the world view that foster's the notion of white privilege, among other things, permeates the subtext of the film. Thank you, and this is what I was talking about. If it is about the nature of the characters then it applies to the entire film. It’s not just “one quick line”. But if it’s not a huge thing that’s something else. I appreciate it as I was curious. You can never tell with Internet reactions about this kind of thing but I can always trust Taylor’s take Damn straight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:42:13 GMT 1
Thank you, and this is what I was talking about. If it is about the nature of the characters then it applies to the entire film. It’s not just “one quick line”. But if it’s not a huge thing that’s something else. I appreciate it as I was curious. You can never tell with Internet reactions about this kind of thing but I can always trust Taylor’s take Damn straight. OH!
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 7, 2022 3:43:19 GMT 1
Geez. I thought I’d earned a little trust from you dude. I’m like the only one who empathized with you when you were banned. Did Taylor do that? LOL I do trust you. And I do appreciate that you stood up for me when I got banned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:45:03 GMT 1
Geez. I thought I’d earned a little trust from you dude. I’m like the only one who empathized with you when you were banned. Did Taylor do that? LOL I do trust you. And I do appreciate that you stood up for me when I got banned. It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:47:04 GMT 1
I saw the movie today and it is a thing. It's not a huge thing, but the world view that foster's the notion of white privilege, among other things, permeates the subtext of the film. Thank you, and this is what I was talking about. If it is about the nature of the characters then it applies to the entire film. It’s not just “one quick line”. But if it’s not a huge thing that’s something else. I appreciate it as I was curious. You can never tell with Internet reactions about this kind of thing but I can always trust Taylor’s take I wouldn’t trust me either! LMAO. But if you’re gonna trust anyone’s take, trust Biz and Knight. Biz is pretty conservative and he didn’t see any big political angle.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 7, 2022 3:47:48 GMT 1
I do trust you. And I do appreciate that you stood up for me when I got banned. It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line. Taylor is wrong. LOL Yeah i don't get the offense over that line. Gotham is literally run by Rich White Privilege Men, so it's not like she's lying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:50:28 GMT 1
It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line. Taylor is wrong. LOL Yeah i don't get the offense over that line. Gotham is literally run by Rich White Privilege Men, so it's not like she's lying. And the corruption of the powerful has literally nothing to do with race. Gotham is run by the mob = liberal bias? Nah, it doesn’t. LMAO
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2022 3:52:51 GMT 1
Thank you, and this is what I was talking about. If it is about the nature of the characters then it applies to the entire film. It’s not just “one quick line”. But if it’s not a huge thing that’s something else. I appreciate it as I was curious. You can never tell with Internet reactions about this kind of thing but I can always trust Taylor’s take I wouldn’t trust me either! LMAO. But if you’re gonna trust anyone’s take, trust Biz and Knight. Biz is pretty conservative and he didn’t see any big political angle. Oh I trust everybody here. Sorry I guess that came out wrong lol. I meant I know what Taylor means by what he says. If that makes more sense?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:54:04 GMT 1
I wouldn’t trust me either! LMAO. But if you’re gonna trust anyone’s take, trust Biz and Knight. Biz is pretty conservative and he didn’t see any big political angle. Oh I trust everybody here. Sorry I guess that came out wrong lol. I meant I know what Taylor means by what he says. If that makes more sense? No, you were right. I’m a scoundrel. I’ve swindled many a folk in my time. Stay away if you’re smart! Stay far away!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 3:55:03 GMT 1
Honestly, if you guys didn’t see a liberal bias in that Falcon show or Captain Marvel you absolutely will not see one here.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 7, 2022 3:57:18 GMT 1
I do trust you. And I do appreciate that you stood up for me when I got banned. It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line. Taylor is wrong. LOL I respect your opinion. You think one line isn't enough to denote a specific political attitude. For me, the fact THAT line is said at an important moment in the film during this current political environment makes me cast a wary eye on the film as a whole. The line matches current Liberal politics, which is all about hating white people and successful business owners. But let's not push this anymore before we start saying things we might regret later. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you on this and I will withdraw from the topic after this comment.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2022 3:59:28 GMT 1
It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line. Taylor is wrong. LOL Yeah i don't get the offense over that line. Gotham is literally run by Rich White Privilege Men, so it's not like she's lying. Its the buzz word nature of it. It can get exhausting even if you don’t disagree. IDK, I haven’t seen it. If it’s not a big deal that’s cool but sometimes buzz word things take people out of it. They want the escapism.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 7, 2022 4:00:03 GMT 1
Honestly, if you guys didn’t see a liberal bias in that Falcon show or Captain Marvel you absolutely will not see one here. I did see a Liberal bias in both of those. While Captain Marvel was smart enough to keep it general, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was a bit too on the nose for my tastes as well. Well-made series, but the "World Government" stuff made me really uncomfortable.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2022 4:01:24 GMT 1
Honestly, if you guys didn’t see a liberal bias in that Falcon show or Captain Marvel you absolutely will not see one here. lol. There was probably a bit there ;-) But I’m convinced it’s not an issue. I wasn’t trying to make it one, I just wanted to know how you perceived it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 4:01:37 GMT 1
It’s fine if you don’t wanna see the movie. But there really isn’t political stuff outside of one really awkward line. Taylor is wrong. LOL I respect your opinion. You think one line isn't enough to denote a specific political attitude. For me, the fact THAT line is said at an important moment in the film during this current political environment makes me cast a wary eye on the film as a whole. The line matches current Liberal politics, which is all about hating white people and successful business owners. But let's not push this anymore before we start saying things we might regret later. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you on this and I will withdraw from the topic after this comment. I admit that line felt very on the nose and unnecessary. I’m just saying that it really didn’t permeate the movie at all. The major reveal was that the mob runs Gotham, so it wasn’t anti white or even anti rich. But yeah, let’s leave it here and move on. No hard feelings. Saul Good, Man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 4:06:21 GMT 1
Honestly, if you guys didn’t see a liberal bias in that Falcon show or Captain Marvel you absolutely will not see one here. lol. There was probably a bit there ;-) But I’m convinced it’s not an issue. I wasn’t trying to make it one, I just wanted to know how you perceived it Not to repeat myself, but I doubt you would find it to be an issue here either then. Aside from one line, which again, did actually feel quite out of place. For the record the politics in those MCU projects didn’t bother me either. But… I am honestly getting tired of the “Girls rule. Boys suck” cliche. I hope The Marvels moves away from that.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 7, 2022 4:08:36 GMT 1
Yeah i don't get the offense over that line. Gotham is literally run by Rich White Privilege Men, so it's not like she's lying. Its the buzz word nature of it. It can get exhausting even if you don’t disagree. IDK, I haven’t seen it. If it’s not a big deal that’s cool but sometimes buzz word things take people out of it. They want the escapism. Honestly i can see why some may view it as cringey or dumb. It's just if it wasn't pointed out so vigorously i wouldn't have noticed it. It's like that dumb Bria Larson thing that the usual suspects keep beating into the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 4:12:21 GMT 1
On another note what did everyone think about Colin Firth as the Penguin? Unrecognizable, right? I mean, if you gave me a thousand guesses on who that was I never would’ve guessed Colin Firth. Give that boy an award!
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