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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:06:40 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:09:04 GMT 1
That bit is certainly in there. But those crazy screwballs deserve to be roasted. Seeing Bats kick their butts was fun. I did think it compromised Riddler’s characterization though. It would’ve been perfect for Joker. Yeah, it's a creative change that I can see upsetting people. Still I like the premise of it. Probably would have suited better for the Joker for sure. I was kind of hoping for Riddler to be all about proving his own intelligence as he does in the comics. Teaming up with conspiracy trolls was kind of the opposite of that. But once I get over my own expectations I’ll probably like it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 20:11:45 GMT 1
I don’t even watch news. I just heard people discussing it so I was curious why it was being discussed. It’s a totally legit question, I’m not trying to shame the film. I just wanted to ask how it was presented. Fair enough. I didn’t mean any of that to sound harsh. I just hate seeing everything become part of illegitimate political outrage these days. There’s only one line about “white privilege” by Selina. It’s a bit awkward, but hardly some big political theme that pervades the movie. Cool! And I wanted to make sure that I didn’t take you the wrong way. And I also hate everything being political. Joe Dredd made a great point about being aware of the current political climate and I was thinking about a follow up question then. I know it’s only one line, but let’s say the one line was “Bruce is a pedophile”. Clearly that would matter. So does this line really not matter, or could it matter?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 20:12:58 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. I think some people are just exhausted by social commentary sometimes. I know I can feel “oh this message again” sometimes.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 5, 2022 20:16:53 GMT 1
Yeah, it's a creative change that I can see upsetting people. Still I like the premise of it. Probably would have suited better for the Joker for sure. I was kind of hoping for Riddler to be all about proving his own intelligence as he does in the comics. Teaming up with conspiracy trolls was kind of the opposite of that. But once I get over my own expectations I’ll probably like it. Well, we could still get that. He did make that comment about Batman not being as smart as he thought he was. I guess it depends on where Reeves will go with the character, but it's always possible that we will get to see him bombard Batman with more Riddles and Puzzles in the future. The guy is a lunatic after all!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 5, 2022 20:18:15 GMT 1
Also since Riddler identity is no longer a secret, maybe we can see him get the Bowler Hat?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:18:27 GMT 1
Fair enough. I didn’t mean any of that to sound harsh. I just hate seeing everything become part of illegitimate political outrage these days. There’s only one line about “white privilege” by Selina. It’s a bit awkward, but hardly some big political theme that pervades the movie. Cool! And I wanted to make sure that I didn’t take you the wrong way. And I also hate everything being political. Joe Dredd made a great point about being aware of the current political climate and I was thinking about a follow up question then. I know it’s only one line, but let’s say the one line was “Bruce is a pedophile”. Clearly that would matter. So does this line really not matter, or could it matter? Well, that line would be very different. The corruption of those in power in Gotham is a major theme. Race is not part of that though. Selina and Riddler hate Bruce Wayne because they think he’s just some rich out of touch douche. They don’t know he’s Batman though, so there’s a bit of irony to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:19:55 GMT 1
Also since Riddler identity is no longer a secret, maybe we can see him get the Bowler Hat?
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 5, 2022 20:21:05 GMT 1
Also since Riddler identity is no longer a secret, maybe we can see him get the Bowler Hat? Give him the Bowler Hat! And the cane!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 5, 2022 20:21:21 GMT 1
Speaking of The Riddler, shout out to Paul Dano for being terrific in the role. He really made a great creepy Riddler that is off his rocker.
I really hope we get to see him again in a future film, I loved his performance!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:23:20 GMT 1
Also, people need to stop being so scared of a little social commentary. It might do people good to think outside their own box these days. I think some people are just exhausted by social commentary sometimes. I know I can feel “oh this message again” sometimes. I get that too. It all depends on how it’s done. Social commentary is often indeed way too blatant in today’s movies. See most Best Picture winners. LOL
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 20:23:27 GMT 1
Cool! And I wanted to make sure that I didn’t take you the wrong way. And I also hate everything being political. Joe Dredd made a great point about being aware of the current political climate and I was thinking about a follow up question then. I know it’s only one line, but let’s say the one line was “Bruce is a pedophile”. Clearly that would matter. So does this line really not matter, or could it matter? Well, that line would be very different. The corruption of those in power in Gotham is a major theme. Race is not part of that though. Selina and Riddler hate Bruce Wayne because they think he’s just some rich out of touch douche. They don’t know he’s Batman though, so there’s a bit of irony to it. Oh ok. So basically they’re wrong. That’s interesting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:24:20 GMT 1
Speaking of The Riddler, shout out to Paul Dano for being terrific in the role. He really made a great creepy Riddler that is off his rocker. I really hope we get to see him again in a future film, I loved his performance! He was Heath Ledger good. I was smiling in every scene he was in. So happy he will (probably) return.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:25:12 GMT 1
Well, that line would be very different. The corruption of those in power in Gotham is a major theme. Race is not part of that though. Selina and Riddler hate Bruce Wayne because they think he’s just some rich out of touch douche. They don’t know he’s Batman though, so there’s a bit of irony to it. Oh ok. So basically they’re wrong. That’s interesting Welllll… not exactly. They’re wrong about Bruce. Not about other figures though. It’s complicated. Just watch it, dude. It’s an amazing film.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 20:25:43 GMT 1
Also since Riddler identity is no longer a secret, maybe we can see him get the Bowler Hat? Give him the Bowler Hat! And the cane!
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 5, 2022 21:02:25 GMT 1
Speaking of The Riddler, shout out to Paul Dano for being terrific in the role. He really made a great creepy Riddler that is off his rocker. I really hope we get to see him again in a future film, I loved his performance! I've seen him play despicable characters since There Will Be Blood and yet he was not my first or tenth pick for Riddler. Glad to see him getting wider attention though.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 21:05:47 GMT 1
Oh ok. So basically they’re wrong. That’s interesting Welllll… not exactly. They’re wrong about Bruce. Not about other figures though. It’s complicated. Just watch it, dude. It’s an amazing film. TBH I’m really not all that interested. And mostly it’s the reboot thing. I’m glad it’s great and people are loving it but I’m cool without another new version. Maybe I’m getting too old lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 21:07:50 GMT 1
Welllll… not exactly. They’re wrong about Bruce. Not about other figures though. It’s complicated. Just watch it, dude. It’s an amazing film. TBH I’m really not all that interested. And mostly it’s the reboot thing. I’m glad it’s great and people are loving it but I’m cool without another new version. Maybe I’m getting too old lol I’m usually not big on reboots either. But if they bring something new to the table- and this one does. Youll be on board for that F4 reboot though, I hope.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 21:10:59 GMT 1
TBH I’m really not all that interested. And mostly it’s the reboot thing. I’m glad it’s great and people are loving it but I’m cool without another new version. Maybe I’m getting too old lol I’m usually not big on reboots either. But if they bring something new to the table- and this one does. Youll be on board for that F4 reboot though, I hope. well yeah F4 has been forever. 2015 doesn’t even count. So there’s a huge difference. Batman happens ever 5 minutes and DC can’t get away from him. I’m over it lol. And offering something new doesn’t help me. I don’t want it to be new. I want them to carry on a series more than 3 films and then do something new the week after
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 21:36:50 GMT 1
I’m usually not big on reboots either. But if they bring something new to the table- and this one does. Youll be on board for that F4 reboot though, I hope. well yeah F4 has been forever. 2015 doesn’t even count. So there’s a huge difference. Batman happens ever 5 minutes and DC can’t get away from him. I’m over it lol. And offering something new doesn’t help me. I don’t want it to be new. I want them to carry on a series more than 3 films and then do something new the week after How about Bond? Honestly, I don’t see myself caring about whatever the next version is. Connery and Craig are all I will ever need.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2022 21:46:13 GMT 1
well yeah F4 has been forever. 2015 doesn’t even count. So there’s a huge difference. Batman happens ever 5 minutes and DC can’t get away from him. I’m over it lol. And offering something new doesn’t help me. I don’t want it to be new. I want them to carry on a series more than 3 films and then do something new the week after How about Bond? Honestly, I don’t see myself caring about whatever the next version is. Connery and Craig are all I will ever need. Great example. Bond sticks with their actor and story far longer. Craig was in for over 16 years. Moore for more than 13. Brosnan was technically in since Daltons first film but had to delay for contract reasons. By the time an actor gets done, it’s clearly time to move on as opposed to just doing it. Bond is a career commitment.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 5, 2022 22:41:59 GMT 1
So questions for those who have seen the film: What's your opinion on Robert Pattinson as Bruce Wayne/Batman?
As someone who defended the casting since the beginning I thought he was good in the role. Definitely in my top 3 Batmans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:32:24 GMT 1
You know what? White privilege. What about black privilege? Needs to have more diversity in this conversation I think Oprah, LeBron, Will Smith, Patrisse Khan-Cullors, Obamas, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Bill Cosby, Kanye, Tyler Perry, Quincy Jones, Dave Chappelle etc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 1:18:33 GMT 1
You know what? White privilege. What about black privilege? Needs to have more diversity in this conversation I think Oprah, LeBron, Will Smith, Patrisse Khan-Cullors, Obamas, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Bill Cosby, Kanye, Tyler Perry, Quincy Jones, Dave Chappelle etc How about beauty privilege? Never see any good lookin homeless!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 2:27:24 GMT 1
Yeah I see him as kind of a new-age Riddler. Also wish they had other villain references {Spoiler}tube of green liquid is obviously Venom or from the Lazarus Pit.
You know what that means? Ra's or Bane. Both in the Nolan trilogy
Joker, again in the Nolan trilogy lol
We literally just had all those villains.. I know. But… Court of Owls and Mr Freeze have both been mentioned by Reeves and Pattinson, so hopefully we get them too! Didn't notice those. Cool. However I did forget about Hush as someone already mentioned
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 6, 2022 2:36:09 GMT 1
The final phase of Riddler’s plan felt a bit random to me. More Joker-like than Riddler-like (destructive without any intellectual component). I also thought the dark web “community” felt out of character for him- like it was put there simply to be topical. Those are literally my only nitpicks with the movie though. Yeah I see him as kind of a new-age Riddler. Also wish they had other villain references {Spoiler}tube of green liquid is obviously Venom or from the Lazarus Pit.
You know what that means? Ra's or Bane. Both in the Nolan trilogy
Joker, again in the Nolan trilogy lol
We literally just had all those villains.. Another for the list of why I will never be seeing this.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 6, 2022 3:20:47 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 5:37:52 GMT 1
Yeah I see him as kind of a new-age Riddler. Also wish they had other villain references {Spoiler}tube of green liquid is obviously Venom or from the Lazarus Pit.
You know what that means? Ra's or Bane. Both in the Nolan trilogy
Joker, again in the Nolan trilogy lol
We literally just had all those villains.. Another for the list of why I will never be seeing this. You overlooked three more possibilities like I did just then haha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 5:45:36 GMT 1
Another for the list of why I will never be seeing this. You overlooked three more possibilities like I did just then haha We’re also probably getting lots more hot Penguin and Riddler action. Who could say no to that? Especially if umbrellas and bowler hats are involved!
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Mar 6, 2022 5:57:05 GMT 1
Another for the list of why I will never be seeing this. You overlooked three more possibilities like I did just then haha According to every source I've heard, they've scrubbed out all the fun comic book stuff. Not interested.
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