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Post by Merv on Sept 25, 2022 22:22:53 GMT 1
“Let's pause for a moment and discuss the timescale. This is all happening somewhere around the year 1200 of the second age, when the rings of power were made according to Tolkein. The War of the Last Alliance to cut the one ring from Sauron's hand doesn't happen until 3400ish. That's 2200 years for those keeping score at home. The rings themselves weren't finished until 1500, another 300 years from where the story is now. So at some point this story is going to have to jump forward in time drastically, a lot of the characters will no longer exist from season to season.“
I don’t think this is likely. I think the show runners will make the timeline work for a tv series rather than jump ahead hundreds or thousands of years. I think that’s one point of contention for the purists but a timeline covering thousands of years where only a handful of characters are immortal doesn’t really work.
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Post by Merv on Sept 25, 2022 23:43:05 GMT 1
Sauron Candidates - Oren (NO) - Halbrand (ehhhhh, possible, but I don't think so) - Eminem (not impossible, but I feel like it's a no) - The Stranger (no. I don't see it making sense.) Dont forget Malva, the Harfoot elder. She wanted to take the Brandyfoot wheels and leave them behind. Evil old hag.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 25, 2022 23:49:12 GMT 1
Sauron Candidates - Oren (NO) - Halbrand (ehhhhh, possible, but I don't think so) - Eminem (not impossible, but I feel like it's a no) - The Stranger (no. I don't see it making sense.) Dont forget Malva, the Harfoot elder. She wanted to take the Brandyfoot wheels and leave them behind. Evil old hag. lolol. What a biiiiiiiiiiii bad bad person
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 26, 2022 2:09:12 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Sept 26, 2022 4:43:59 GMT 1
I’m not feeling pacing issues. I’m also not really comparing it to anything else tho so I’m not sure if that’s a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 7:42:26 GMT 1
This show is continuing to grow in interest for me and I'm starting to get some working ideas about what may be possible to happen, although it's still wildly open ended. In summary; - The Numenoreans are coming to "rescue" the southlanders who we now know are living in what will become Mordor. Their contingent is small however, so I believe what is likely to happen is that they will rescue the men who do not want to pledge fealty to Sauron and take them to safety at the end of this season which will result in the early stages of the settlement of Gondor. - Related to that is Oren, the "elf" (we think) who is called by the orcs. I buy the idea that he was directly involved in creating the race of orcs to begin with, perhaps through cloning himself or capturing other elves to be turned and bred to generate further orcs. Something like that. I do not think he is Sauron, and I'm tending to think he is now being used by Sauron to instigate a threat so that others do not see where Sauron himself is moving. More on that in a bit. - And then we have Halbrand, oddly another Sauron candidate, and mostly for the reason that he has not only run into the main protagonist rather randomly, but taken up this call to be king of the Southlands (which again we now know to be Mordor), and shown proficiency in both coercion and smithing (both traits of Sauron). I'm curious about this character but I tend to think he may end up being either one of the 9 and/or that since he is not Numenorean will be gifted his own lands around the newly established Gondor which will eventually become Rohan. - Galadrial herself is why I don't think Halbrand is Sauron. While there are some merits to the case including that Gilgalad said her continued question would lead to his rise, I don't know why Sauron would need her help at all. And even if he did, why he played coy last episode when she'd already given her stamp of approval to make him king. - Gilgalad may have already been mislead and Sauron is in his midst as we speak. Hence the corruption. We have yet to see Annatar, but with the forge well underway, I have to believe that is for the specific purpose of forging the rings of power and thus insinuates Annatar has already convinced them to build it. Now could he have done so and then slipped away since and shape shifted to that of Halbrand to find Galadriel at sea? Perhaps. Again I don't see why he'd need to do that though. - The other factor here is the almost odd origin of Mythril. Oren had said the elves and such had been told many lies and so perhaps this was one of them, because this Silmarilian origin of Mythril seems to exist to cause distrust between elves and dwarves. In the legendarium, the silmarils were all 3 accounted for, and none were buried in a tree on top of the Misty Mountains. But perhaps it fits into the story in some other way. Still I tend to think this is a lie spread by Sauron. - And then again we might have now seen Annatar, with the mysterious trio in white examining the crater of meteor man. Could this be Annatar having slipped away at the sight of the meteor? I can't rule it out, but IDK. My gut says no. I just don't know enough about him yet to completely rule it out. - Speaking of Meteor Man, he continues to seem alternatingly benign and endlessly helpful, and then suddenly sinister. Max is convinced he is a prior version of Gandalf, and I'm half convinced. We know during Gandalf's relatively short death during LOTR, that so much time had passed in his realm he had nearly forgotten himself. Now imagine this is the same Maiar spirit, but by the time he dies in this show and re-emerges in the 3rd age as Gandalf, he will have completely lost all memory of it, except for an instinctual affinity for hobbits after his time here. I actually do buy that. - But what is Meteor Man's function in the show? It's not to defeat Sauron. If we think this out, the rings won't even have been made until probably the end of season 2 at the earliest. And Sauron won't reveal himself until after that. So what is Meteor Man going to do for the next 2 full seasons? I think he may likely save the hobbits from something related to Sauron's forces, dying in the process. - Let's pause for a moment and discuss the timescale. This is all happening somewhere around the year 1200 of the second age, when the rings of power were made according to Tolkein. The War of the Last Alliance to cut the one ring from Sauron's hand doesn't happen until 3400ish. That's 2200 years for those keeping score at home. The rings themselves weren't finished until 1500, another 300 years from where the story is now. So at some point this story is going to have to jump forward in time drastically, a lot of the characters will no longer exist from season to season. - So what of the Harfoots then? It's too early to settle Hobbiton. I don't know what they do other than get Meteor Man to wherever his endpoint is. After that, we may not see them the rest of the show. Perhaps their descendants will pop up? IDK. - It's the map for them that is most curious. I was trying to follow it last time and it seems they have drifted south from the southern portions of Mirkwood, across the marshes which will eventually be the dead marshes, and east past the northen mountain border of Mordor. It's possible they even make it to the Sea of Rhun. Why though? I have no idea. Couldn't even guess. I see guesses about making it to where the Shire is, but this is again 3000 years or more before that should take place. Arnor hasn't even been established yet, and the shire was a gift to them in the third age. So I don't see this group getting over there yet at all. - Perhaps this does in fact mean that Meteor Man is one of the blue wizards if they are headed East, and perhaps that does still fit into Max's idea that the blue wizards may have been precursors to Gandalf and Saruman which time forced them to essentially not be able to recall. Crazy? Yes. Possible? Yes. Maybe lol Sauron Candidates - Oren (NO) - Halbrand (ehhhhh, possible, but I don't think so) - Eminem (not impossible, but I feel like it's a no) - The Stranger (no. I don't see it making sense.) Yeah it's still way too early to determine who Sauron is. Also there are plenty more seasons to go. I guess the closest for now would be Halbrand though. That character's motivations are interesting like the video pointed out. Willing to let Galadriel die and then when alone saving her. Also letting all those other people die. Very odd I think the stranger is a wizard or something else but definitely not man, elf, harfoot or dwarf. That much is clear. Would the ice powers rule out a balrog now? I dont know an awful lot about the source material As for the orc leader, one can assume he wants more power or a place of their own and thats about it. Also that ray of sunlight was interesting
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 8:28:00 GMT 1
Rings of Power: Secret Sauron Suspects Ranked link
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 26, 2022 10:19:44 GMT 1
sounds like Paul has severe ADHD. There’s nothing wrong with the pacing. I almost wanted to ignore this but I’ll highlight it as why I’m less inclined to even engage with the fandom. There’s always some kind of rain on the parade and I’m over it
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 26, 2022 13:49:31 GMT 1
If I can live with Multiverse stuff other purists should be able to lighten up too.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 26, 2022 14:02:09 GMT 1
sounds like Paul has severe ADHD. There’s nothing wrong with the pacing. I almost wanted to ignore this but I’ll highlight it as why I’m less inclined to even engage with the fandom. There’s always some kind of rain on the parade and I’m over it You don't want to engage in the fandom because of different opinions? I could understand not wanting to engage with fandoms that run rampant with racism, sexism and all of that stuff. But opposing opinions?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 26, 2022 14:13:06 GMT 1
sounds like Paul has severe ADHD. There’s nothing wrong with the pacing. I almost wanted to ignore this but I’ll highlight it as why I’m less inclined to even engage with the fandom. There’s always some kind of rain on the parade and I’m over it You don't want to engage in the fandom because of different opinions? I could understand not wanting to engage with fandoms that run rampant with racism, sexism and all of that stuff. But opposing opinions? too much of it is just nonsense. Kills the buzz. I’m not interested in that
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Sept 29, 2022 3:28:39 GMT 1
Hollywood really does need to get on the ball about adapting African folklore.
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Post by Merv on Sept 29, 2022 4:03:45 GMT 1
Hollywood really does need to get on the ball about adapting African folklore. If you want a good African based fantasy series check out Evan Winters. He wrote 2 novels so far in his “Burning” series I believe it’s called. The Rage of Dragons and The Fires of Vengeance. Rage is one of the best first entries to a fantasy series I’ve ever read. Edit: I should’ve said inspired rather than based.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 8:52:33 GMT 1
Great episode. Things are definitely heating up now heeheehee. 9/10. Heavy in action. I knew it was a little too good to be true, too easy. Great twist
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Post by Merv on Sept 30, 2022 18:29:30 GMT 1
Awesome episode. Adar is big brained. Galadriel can't keep up, lol.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 30, 2022 20:15:57 GMT 1
That...was epic. Even for Rings of Power standards.
That scene... I never ever saw that in a TV show before.
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Post by Merv on Sept 30, 2022 21:01:30 GMT 1
That...was epic. Even for Rings of Power standards. That scene... I never ever saw that in a TV show before. We suspected there was a plan and that a few things were important to it...I didn't expect the tunnels to be part of it tho. It all clicked at once and just like that it all came together turning a beautiful mountain...into DOOM!!!
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 30, 2022 21:21:39 GMT 1
That...was epic. Even for Rings of Power standards. That scene... I never ever saw that in a TV show before. We suspected there was a plan and that a few things were important to it...I didn't expect the tunnels to be part of it tho. It all clicked at once and just like that it all came together turning a beautiful mountain...into DOOM!!! Really looking forward to our discussion tomorrow.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 1, 2022 16:06:26 GMT 1
Man fucking finally something happened in this show!
It only took them 6 episodes for us to get something good too!
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 2, 2022 10:22:30 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA EDGE! on Oct 2, 2022 19:39:25 GMT 1
Jesus Christ Lord Death Man why can't you bring some of this fire on my fucking panel like you used too in ' the gold old days ' my friend! Lol. I decided to go small with the rosters on the shows just like I'm doing with The House of The Dragon, I think these type of TV series are better served if you keep the same people/ geusts involved on a week to week, or every other week, that way you can really have some thorough discussions during the reviews due to the 3-4-5 person max on the shows, and your able to have a unique chemistry with that sort of connected group. You can cover a Disney Plus Marvel series with 6-7-8 people, at least I can, and I do it effectively, on an episode review basis if you know how to moderate and control the flow of the show with your moderation. But anyways I'm over here ranting. If anybody from the POC would like to join Cyber and I for a TROP episode review we are doing them on Wednesday nights at 9:35pm EST. Grandmaster thank you for tagging me on this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 21:24:33 GMT 1
Some pretty cool theories in the comments section. One is, "I believe that Sauron has already appeared to the Elves (but not to the viewers) and he is currently hiding in Eregion...He was the one that convinced Celebrimbor to build the tower so that he can forge the Rings of Power in it" and there's another one where they think there are 2 Halbrands and one is Sauron or the real Halbrand has been killed at a certain point and Sauron took his appearance Also how did Halbrand get to the twisted elf before Galadriel? Was it luck? Saw a better route?
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Post by Merv on Oct 5, 2022 22:00:12 GMT 1
Some pretty cool theories in the comments section. One is, "I believe that Sauron has already appeared to the Elves (but not to the viewers) and he is currently hiding in Eregion...He was the one that convinced Celebrimbor to build the tower so that he can forge the Rings of Power in it" and there's another one where they think there are 2 Halbrands and one is Sauron or the real Halbrand has been killed at a certain point and Sauron took his appearance Also how did Halbrand get to the twisted elf before Galadriel? Was it luck? Saw a better route? 1. I can agree to the theory that Sauron has already made contact with Celebrimbor and convinced the elves to build the forge. That makes sense. 2. Two Halbrand would be interesting but I don’t know if there’s been an interesting or impactful time for this to have happened yet. If it happened in Numenor then we barely knew the real Halbrand, which might as well be the same as Halbrand never really existing and always being Sauron. This could be an interesting move later on tho. 3. Halbrand cutting them off did feel jarring but it could be fairly easily explained by him knowing this terrain or just simply Adar not traveling a perfectly straight line. Knowing Adar was the distraction it is possible he was deliberately allowing himself to be cut off.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 7, 2022 17:05:08 GMT 1
Did....did they serious just slapped a Mordor popup in that scene? That honestly felt like something out of a YouTube parody.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 19:50:20 GMT 1
Did....did they serious just slapped a Mordor popup in that scene? That honestly felt like something out of a YouTube parody. Was a little weird yeah lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 19:57:51 GMT 1
This episode hits you in the feels in all sorts of places. Damn that show using my emotions against me!
What I found interesting is this, as I often dont notice the little stuff, was when an apple was given to the Stranger. Obvious religious reference with the hands like that re Michelangelo. However it was an apple too dum dum dum-Eve and the fruit. That's not to say this episode was boring. Definitely not. Quite a few consequences and character moments
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 7, 2022 21:29:51 GMT 1
Yeah... That title change wasnt really needed. Looking forward to the season finale.
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Post by Merv on Oct 7, 2022 23:43:36 GMT 1
Udun was a hard episode to follow.
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Post by Merv on Oct 9, 2022 9:06:28 GMT 1
Forgot to mention one thing I really enjoyed…it’s a small detail but when Galadriel and Theo are hiding from orcs, the orc that is smelling them out has on Numenorian armor. Armor he most likely got off a Numenorean corpse after the volcanic blast.
I just liked the touch implying an orc in the midst of this chaos saw a dead Numenor with armor that fit him. Such savvy scavengers.
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