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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 10:39:18 GMT 1
So the variant did turn out to be the female Loki after all. Interesting what's going to happen from here on out
Also not sure why I didnt see it before lol. Embarrassing. If everything is predetermined, then what about the TVA itself like Loki suggested?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 6:09:38 GMT 1
Did Loki disappear from or remain in the main MCU timeline? This show has 2012 Avengers Loki. When he was at his most villain-y. During the episode he realises he cant go back to his own timeline since he passed away in that one. So this show will take place in the MCU but outside the main timeline while it still can influence that same main time line. At least thats how I understand it. But about the Loki we all witness his life end at the hand of Thanos and plays an integral part in the previous phases’ timeline that results in the end game? Is he erased from that timeline? And if there’s no Loki who helps Thor save Jane’s life, what then? Or at some point in the future MCU narrative, Loki completes his mission in Limbo and is able to return to the exact moment he disappears from Stark Tower.
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Post by maximura on Jun 17, 2021 14:11:40 GMT 1
I'm going with Randy is future Loki and we're getting the Archmage arc from Disney's Gargoyles show. This may extend up to a Legion of Loki's secretly running the TVA, but all I'm really committing to for now is Randy leaves breadcrumbs for Loki to find her and follow through the gate, permitting the training to become Randy so that she can leave breadcrumbs for Loki to follow. Perhaps they use an LMD or clone, maybe the spirit transfer Randy can use, to evade the Thanos neck snap after returning to the tower and playing their role in history. I still love how repeatedly Loki is standing in for Mephisto in the MCU. The stained glass was great after he also served Thanos.
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Post by maximura on Jun 17, 2021 15:39:52 GMT 1
I'm going with Randy is future Loki and we're getting the Archmage arc from Disney's Gargoyles show. This may extend up to a Legion of Loki's secretly running the TVA, but all I'm really committing to for now is Randy leaves breadcrumbs for Loki to find her and follow through the gate, permitting the training to become Randy so that she can leave breadcrumbs for Loki to follow. Perhaps they use an LMD or clone, maybe the spirit transfer Randy can use, to evade the Thanos neck snap after returning to the tower and playing their role in history. I still love how repeatedly Loki is standing in for Mephisto in the MCU. The stained glass was great after he also served Thanos. Alternatively, it could be the old Rick and Morty - Council of Ricks (Loki's) and Loki is the Lokiest Loki because all these other <expletives wanted to be free from the government so bad they formed an effing government. (It's a reference, I don't need to be on a watchlist).
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 17, 2021 16:52:41 GMT 1
This show has 2012 Avengers Loki. When he was at his most villain-y. During the episode he realises he cant go back to his own timeline since he passed away in that one. So this show will take place in the MCU but outside the main timeline while it still can influence that same main time line. At least thats how I understand it. But about the Loki we all witness his life end at the hand of Thanos and plays an integral part in the previous phases’ timeline that results in the end game? Is he erased from that timeline? And if there’s no Loki who helps Thor save Jane’s life, what then? Or at some point in the future MCU narrative, Loki completes his mission in Limbo and is able to return to the exact moment he disappears from Stark Tower. He was not erased. That Loki was restored when the timeline was restored by Captain America returning the Infinity Stones to their proper places. The Loki in this show is a separate "Variant".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 19:12:11 GMT 1
I'm going with Randy is future Loki and we're getting the Archmage arc from Disney's Gargoyles show. This may extend up to a Legion of Loki's secretly running the TVA, but all I'm really committing to for now is Randy leaves breadcrumbs for Loki to find her and follow through the gate, permitting the training to become Randy so that she can leave breadcrumbs for Loki to follow. Perhaps they use an LMD or clone, maybe the spirit transfer Randy can use, to evade the Thanos neck snap after returning to the tower and playing their role in history. I still love how repeatedly Loki is standing in for Mephisto in the MCU. The stained glass was great after he also served Thanos. Interesting. A future Loki. We are dealing with time after all. Not outside the realm of possibilities Do you think Kang could be behind the TVA? Or at least make a cameo at the end? Thoughts on Kang's love interest being the judge? Also welcome back Max. Been a while
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 17, 2021 19:46:28 GMT 1
Did Loki disappear from or remain in the main MCU timeline? This Loki was pulled out of the main MCU timeline after a branch was created in Endgame, BUT, the original 2012 Loki timeline still exists. The TVA deleted the branch, and this 2012 Loki was pulled from the branch and now only exists in the timeless realm of the TVA. Is that confusing enough? lol
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 17, 2021 19:48:06 GMT 1
So the variant did turn out to be the female Loki after all. Interesting what's going to happen from here on out Also not sure why I didnt see it before lol. Embarrassing. If everything is predetermined, then what about the TVA itself like Loki suggested? We've been brewing this theory that Loki is all about Loki finding himself, within himself. The show has gone out of it's way to highlight that there are any number of alternate Lokis and that our Loki desires to be the best of them. Perhaps this is a metaphor, of the many sides of our own personalities. Loki himself says "nobody bad is truly bad, and nobody good is truly good", and this reflects our own internal battles with doing the right thing against our innermost desire, or doing the wrong thing because we just felt like being selfish in that one moment. We know that the Time Keepers are way in the shadows, so perhaps the show is leading to Loki confronting other versions of himself, some of them he rejects, and some of them he accepts, and choosing which parts of each he wants to accept or reject in order to be the best version of them all.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 17, 2021 19:50:32 GMT 1
I'm going with Randy is future Loki and we're getting the Archmage arc from Disney's Gargoyles show. This may extend up to a Legion of Loki's secretly running the TVA, but all I'm really committing to for now is Randy leaves breadcrumbs for Loki to find her and follow through the gate, permitting the training to become Randy so that she can leave breadcrumbs for Loki to follow. Perhaps they use an LMD or clone, maybe the spirit transfer Randy can use, to evade the Thanos neck snap after returning to the tower and playing their role in history. I still love how repeatedly Loki is standing in for Mephisto in the MCU. The stained glass was great after he also served Thanos. Interesting. A future Loki. We are dealing with time after all. Not outside the realm of possibilities Do you think Kang could be behind the TVA? Or at least make a cameo at the end? Thoughts on Kang's love interest being the judge? Also welcome back Max. Been a while Despite buying the Kang idea last episode, I'm leaning away from that now. It's certainly possible, but I'm more feeling the show is about Loki reconciling with who he wants to be via literally interacting with other versions of himself. It's like an internal struggle personified. To that end, I don't see Kang fitting into that concept, so I'm going to retroactively join my fellow champions who sold on this idea.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 17, 2021 19:58:52 GMT 1
This show has 2012 Avengers Loki. When he was at his most villain-y. During the episode he realises he cant go back to his own timeline since he passed away in that one. So this show will take place in the MCU but outside the main timeline while it still can influence that same main time line. At least thats how I understand it. But about the Loki we all witness his life end at the hand of Thanos and plays an integral part in the previous phases’ timeline that results in the end game? Is he erased from that timeline? And if there’s no Loki who helps Thor save Jane’s life, what then? Or at some point in the future MCU narrative, Loki completes his mission in Limbo and is able to return to the exact moment he disappears from Stark Tower. No, the original timeline all still happened, and I don't believe this Loki is going to be put back there at all. He even acknowledges in episode 1 that he can't return and I take that literally. What we're watching is a carbon copy of the 2012 Avengers Loki What IF? scenario, where he escaped into a branched timeline which was deleted after they pulled him out of it. The original timeline still continued to exist. I would guess that this Loki has some other end. Perhaps he returns to the main timeline but it will be in the modern time and he won't be the same Loki who died in Infinity War.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 20:37:02 GMT 1
So the variant did turn out to be the female Loki after all. Interesting what's going to happen from here on out Also not sure why I didnt see it before lol. Embarrassing. If everything is predetermined, then what about the TVA itself like Loki suggested? We've been brewing this theory that Loki is all about Loki finding himself, within himself. The show has gone out of it's way to highlight that there are any number of alternate Lokis and that our Loki desires to be the best of them. Perhaps this is a metaphor, of the many sides of our own personalities. Loki himself says "nobody bad is truly bad, and nobody good is truly good", and this reflects our own internal battles with doing the right thing against our innermost desire, or doing the wrong thing because we just felt like being selfish in that one moment. We know that the Time Keepers are way in the shadows, so perhaps the show is leading to Loki confronting other versions of himself, some of them he rejects, and some of them he accepts, and choosing which parts of each he wants to accept or reject in order to be the best version of them all. Sure, I can see that as his own personal journey of growth and development but how far that envelopes everything is what Im not sure about
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 17, 2021 21:10:26 GMT 1
We've been brewing this theory that Loki is all about Loki finding himself, within himself. The show has gone out of it's way to highlight that there are any number of alternate Lokis and that our Loki desires to be the best of them. Perhaps this is a metaphor, of the many sides of our own personalities. Loki himself says "nobody bad is truly bad, and nobody good is truly good", and this reflects our own internal battles with doing the right thing against our innermost desire, or doing the wrong thing because we just felt like being selfish in that one moment. We know that the Time Keepers are way in the shadows, so perhaps the show is leading to Loki confronting other versions of himself, some of them he rejects, and some of them he accepts, and choosing which parts of each he wants to accept or reject in order to be the best version of them all. Sure, I can see that as his own personal journey of growth and development but how far that envelopes everything is what Im not sure about Dude I just thought of a BOMB ASS THEORY!!! SOME FACTS: - Female Loki is from the future as evidenced by the spearish thing at the end of episode 1 dated to Early 3rd Millenia. - Female Loki has an advanced ability to transfer her consciousness - Female Loki is credited as Sylive, the name of Enchantress - Female Loki stated to Variant Loki "If anything, you're me" - MCU Loki was killed by Thanos amongst the last of the Asgardians, right before the establishment of New Asgard So follow me here, I got excited by this. Everything in the show and MCU history so far lines up with this. As MCU Loki was dying at the hands of Thanos in Infinity War, in desperation his consciousness is transferred to the nearest acceptable Asgardian, Sylvie. This means she is growing up in the main MCU timeline right now as the Enchantress, the literal embodiment of Loki's mind, with the ability to transfer her consciousness. This is why she said that if anything Loki is her, why she's from the future, how she gained the ability to mind transfer, and why she's interested in the Variant Loki. It lines up so good I'll plant a rare flag in this one. A pack of Kablooie says I'm right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:36:42 GMT 1
Sure, I can see that as his own personal journey of growth and development but how far that envelopes everything is what Im not sure about Dude I just thought of a BOMB ASS THEORY!!! SOME FACTS: - Female Loki is from the future as evidenced by the spearish thing at the end of episode 1 dated to Early 3rd Millenia. - Female Loki has an advanced ability to transfer her consciousness - Female Loki is credited as Sylive, the name of Enchantress - Female Loki stated to Variant Loki "If anything, you're me" - MCU Loki was killed by Thanos amongst the last of the Asgardians, right before the establishment of New Asgard So follow me here, I got excited by this. Everything in the show and MCU history so far lines up with this. As MCU Loki was dying at the hands of Thanos in Infinity War, in desperation his consciousness is transferred to the nearest acceptable Asgardian, Sylvie. This means she is growing up in the main MCU timeline right now as the Enchantress, the literal embodiment of Loki's mind, with the ability to transfer her consciousness. This is why she said that if anything Loki is her, why she's from the future, how she gained the ability to mind transfer, and why she's interested in the Variant Loki. It lines up so good I'll plant a rare flag in this one. A pack of Kablooie says I'm right. Definitely interesting. That would be so cool if we got Enchantress
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:40:51 GMT 1
Hey Lord Death Man what do you make of Arch's Enchantress theory? Im guessing you would know a bit about her
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 17, 2021 23:48:48 GMT 1
Hey Lord Death Man what do you make of Arch's Enchantress theory? Im guessing you would know a bit about her It's a solid theory, but it's not the best match for Enchantress's origin and personality as portrayed in the comics. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, though. The Amora version of the Enchantress is a problematic character (by modern standards). One of the character's key traits is that she is a "seductress" who overtly uses her sexuality to achieve her goals. I certainly don't think Disney is ready to go there, and fans would be upset if Amora debuted and didn't at least partially rely on her feminine whiles to get the job done. The Sylvie Lushton version of the character is also somewhat controversial because she was created as a part of a soft retcon of the original character. I think Marvel wanted to take Enchantress in a new direction, but when fans didn't respond positively to it, they changed her new incarnation into an imposter who was never the "real" Enchantress. With MCU streaming, the most straightforward answer has usually been the correct answer. I believe we have met the female Loki (aka Lady Loki). She probably combines traits from Lady Loki and Ikol from the comics. Disney probably decided to tone down Lady Loki's overt sexuality and ramp up her aggression and cunning for this series. Kids have to be able to watch this too. So I say, her horns don't lie. Loki of Asgard is dead; long live Loki of Asgard. There is one wrinkle in all of this; the same guy who wrote Loki wrote Dr. Strange 2. That's where I think the movie tie in's might be, if there are any at all. Loki shouldn't be left out of the conversation when it comes to magic practitioners in the MCU.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 18, 2021 2:10:00 GMT 1
I always love New Rockstars Easter Egg breakdowns. There's some great detail in here if you guys want to check these our for eps 1 & 2 and an end credits breakdown. Fun stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 3:18:30 GMT 1
One thing I’ve picked up on is the tongue-in-cheek, implicit take on the TVA as the writers and producers who are tasked keeping the now sprawling MCU the Time-Keepers are attempting to mend for the next great Phase in forums like this. The Sacred Timeline are those movies from Phase One up till now and here comes Loki out of nowhere in the End Game to muck the narrative up, blast it! Now Loki is a stock character in most human stories known as the Trickster. In his particular version in mythology, he is a sarcastic, sometimes funny, sometimes miserable, conman who works as Odin and Thor’s fixer and occasional mercenary for the opposition. Sorta like Joe Pesci, he has his good moments and it’s just business after all. (Ferris Bueller is another classic version of the Trickster.) However, his destiny is set because Loki must die at Ragnarok and Ragnarok must happen so a new Asgard can be born. That story was written over a thousand years ago. So this stock villainy/comic relief/antiheroics destiny went with Thor’s heroics when Stan Lee co-opted the characters for his timelines. Loki is currently being offered a chance by a character based on a Marvel writer to alter his stock character destiny. And everybody loves a redemption story. Let’s see what he (they?) does.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 18, 2021 3:48:49 GMT 1
Hey Lord Death Man what do you make of Arch's Enchantress theory? Im guessing you would know a bit about her It's a solid theory, but it's not the best match for Enchantress's origin and personality as portrayed in the comics. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, though. The Amora version of the Enchantress is a problematic character (by modern standards). One of the character's key traits is that she is a "seductress" who overtly uses her sexuality to achieve her goals. I certainly don't think Disney is ready to go there, and fans would be upset if Amora debuted and didn't at least partially rely on her feminine whiles to get the job done. The Sylvie Lushton version of the character is also somewhat controversial because she was created as a part of a soft retcon of the original character. I think Marvel wanted to take Enchantress in a new direction, but when fans didn't respond positively to it, they changed her new incarnation into an imposter who was never the "real" Enchantress. With MCU streaming, the most straightforward answer has usually been the correct answer. I believe we have met the female Loki (aka Lady Loki). She probably combines traits from Lady Loki and Ikol from the comics. Disney probably decided to tone down Lady Loki's overt sexuality and ramp up her aggression and cunning for this series. Kids have to be able to watch this too. So I say, her horns don't lie. Loki of Asgard is dead; long live Loki of Asgard. There is one wrinkle in all of this; the same guy who wrote Loki wrote Dr. Strange 2. That's where I think the movie tie in's might be, if there are any at all. Loki shouldn't be left out of the conversation when it comes to magic practitioners in the MCU. I actually agree with LDM here. Odds are I’m a little off the reservation, but I will just add that there does seem to be some overt melding of the Lady Loki and Enchantress concepts. Her appearance and namesake being a tad more Enchantress while it’s clear they have introduced her as Lady Loki. One of the more interesting facts I failed to mention was that Lady Loki was born out of Loki’s rebirth following Ragnarok into the body of a woman meant for Sif. That’s primarily why I included Loki’s moment of death as occurring just after Ragnarok and the concept that he would be reborn per Norse mythology. Also of note was that the Sylvie version of Enchantress was crafted by Loki in the comics. So these connections on both these fronts really made me pause and consider how they could be tied together in the context of the MCU. And then I thought, why give her the mind transfer power? Why make it obvious she’s from the future? Why have her so confident in saying he is her? And then it clicked. If he was reborn following Ragnarok he could have gained mind transfer to do it and shown up in this show as himself in female form from the future, while fulfilling the essence of both Sylvie and Lady Loki. Convoluted? You bet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 4:30:55 GMT 1
It's a solid theory, but it's not the best match for Enchantress's origin and personality as portrayed in the comics. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, though. The Amora version of the Enchantress is a problematic character (by modern standards). One of the character's key traits is that she is a "seductress" who overtly uses her sexuality to achieve her goals. I certainly don't think Disney is ready to go there, and fans would be upset if Amora debuted and didn't at least partially rely on her feminine whiles to get the job done. The Sylvie Lushton version of the character is also somewhat controversial because she was created as a part of a soft retcon of the original character. I think Marvel wanted to take Enchantress in a new direction, but when fans didn't respond positively to it, they changed her new incarnation into an imposter who was never the "real" Enchantress. With MCU streaming, the most straightforward answer has usually been the correct answer. I believe we have met the female Loki (aka Lady Loki). She probably combines traits from Lady Loki and Ikol from the comics. Disney probably decided to tone down Lady Loki's overt sexuality and ramp up her aggression and cunning for this series. Kids have to be able to watch this too. So I say, her horns don't lie. Loki of Asgard is dead; long live Loki of Asgard. There is one wrinkle in all of this; the same guy who wrote Loki wrote Dr. Strange 2. That's where I think the movie tie in's might be, if there are any at all. Loki shouldn't be left out of the conversation when it comes to magic practitioners in the MCU. I actually agree with LDM here. Odds are I’m a little off the reservation, but I will just add that there does seem to be some overt melding of the Lady Loki and Enchantress concepts. Her appearance and namesake being a tad more Enchantress while it’s clear they have introduced her as Lady Loki. One of the more interesting facts I failed to mention was that Lady Loki was born out of Loki’s rebirth following Ragnarok into the body of a woman meant for Sif. That’s primarily why I included Loki’s moment of death as occurring just after Ragnarok and the concept that he would be reborn per Norse mythology. Also of note was that the Sylvie version of Enchantress was crafted by Loki in the comics. So these connections on both these fronts really made me pause and consider how they could be tied together in the context of the MCU. And then I thought, why give her the mind transfer power? Why make it obvious she’s from the future? Why have her so confident in saying he is her? And then it clicked. If he was reborn following Ragnarok he could have gained mind transfer to do it and show up in this show as himself in female form from the future, while fulfilling the essence of both Sylvie and Lady Loki. Convoluted? You bet I’m wondering about the Loki who lands in the Gobi Desert. It is assumed he breaks the Timeline by taking the Tesseract and it takes him there. Why when the Tesseract dumped the equally evil Red Skull to Vormir, it takes Loki just a short hop around the Midgard? This could be a MacGuffin. To truly go all the way evil to become the King of Space, and therefore King of Time, Loki had to jettison that little bit of good he had left in him. The mischievous kid brother Thor loves and longs for. One thing I picked up on is when Möbius asks Loki if he read all the material, he lied “yes,” then confessed “some of it.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 7:11:22 GMT 1
A question about Casey’s evidence cart: there are five kinds of Infinity Stones inside. I can’t be sure per my TV, but are those Orange Soul Stones or Red Reality ones?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 18, 2021 10:48:31 GMT 1
A question about Casey’s evidence cart: there are five kinds of Infinity Stones inside. I can’t be sure per my TV, but are those Orange Soul Stones or Red Reality ones? Red reality stones, however a yellow mind stone is shown being used as a paper weight in the credits, so you do see all of them if anybody was curious.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 18, 2021 10:57:41 GMT 1
I actually agree with LDM here. Odds are I’m a little off the reservation, but I will just add that there does seem to be some overt melding of the Lady Loki and Enchantress concepts. Her appearance and namesake being a tad more Enchantress while it’s clear they have introduced her as Lady Loki. One of the more interesting facts I failed to mention was that Lady Loki was born out of Loki’s rebirth following Ragnarok into the body of a woman meant for Sif. That’s primarily why I included Loki’s moment of death as occurring just after Ragnarok and the concept that he would be reborn per Norse mythology. Also of note was that the Sylvie version of Enchantress was crafted by Loki in the comics. So these connections on both these fronts really made me pause and consider how they could be tied together in the context of the MCU. And then I thought, why give her the mind transfer power? Why make it obvious she’s from the future? Why have her so confident in saying he is her? And then it clicked. If he was reborn following Ragnarok he could have gained mind transfer to do it and show up in this show as himself in female form from the future, while fulfilling the essence of both Sylvie and Lady Loki. Convoluted? You bet I’m wondering about the Loki who lands in the Gobi Desert. It is assumed he breaks the Timeline by taking the Tesseract and it takes him there. Why when the Tesseract dumped the equally evil Red Skull to Vormir, it takes Loki just a short hop around the Midgard? This could be a MacGuffin. To truly go all the way evil to become the King of Space, and therefore King of Time, Loki had to jettison that little bit of good he had left in him. The mischievous kid brother Thor loves and longs for. One thing I picked up on is when Möbius asks Loki if he read all the material, he lied “yes,” then confessed “some of it.” Good question here Loki manually used the space stone to travel and perhaps accidentally wound up in the Gobi desert. I think he was just getting away as fast as he could to anywhere. Red Skull on the other hand Ive always thought was sent to Vormir. The stones have some level of communication with one another and Ive interpreted this as the soul stone having the tesseract send him there to be the guardian. It’s possible Skull partially triggered this himself. I’m not sure if there’s further clarity on it TBH, but I do think there’s a difference between what happened to him and others using it for travel. Good call on Loki’s dance with evilness. As much as he enjoys causing trouble, in the end I believe him when he says he doesn’t enjoy the harm. There’s a line where he finds it to be too much
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 22:30:17 GMT 1
I’m wondering about the Loki who lands in the Gobi Desert. It is assumed he breaks the Timeline by taking the Tesseract and it takes him there. Why when the Tesseract dumped the equally evil Red Skull to Vormir, it takes Loki just a short hop around the Midgard? This could be a MacGuffin. To truly go all the way evil to become the King of Space, and therefore King of Time, Loki had to jettison that little bit of good he had left in him. The mischievous kid brother Thor loves and longs for. One thing I picked up on is when Möbius asks Loki if he read all the material, he lied “yes,” then confessed “some of it.” Good question here Loki manually used the space stone to travel and perhaps accidentally wound up in the Gobi desert. I think he was just getting away as fast as he could to anywhere. Red Skull on the other hand Ive always thought was sent to Vormir. The stones have some level of communication with one another and Ive interpreted this as the soul stone having the tesseract send him there to be the guardian. It’s possible Skull partially triggered this himself. I’m not sure if there’s further clarity on it TBH, but I do think there’s a difference between what happened to him and others using it for travel. Good call on Loki’s dance with evilness. As much as he enjoys causing trouble, in the end I believe him when he says he doesn’t enjoy the harm. There’s a line where he finds it to be too much But Loki in 2012 abused the power of Tesseract himself and has certainly displayed the same murderous intent as Red Skull. I keep thinking back to Prof Selvig while under the Mind Stone saying the Tesseract speaks to him and certainly in the comics the Cube is inhabited by an intelligent, child-like being. I also am wondering about the use of Haven Hills as the doomed town the saboteur Loki is hiding in. Haven is the supposed Tenth Realm disgraced warriors are sent to.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2021 22:59:38 GMT 1
I made some time early this morning to make the rounds on YouTube regarding Loki Episodes 1 and 2 theories. Honestly, I think a lot of people are overthinking female Loki. When you know the source material even moderately well, it becomes easy to lose yourself in headcanon. I can't say it hasn't been a lot of fun, though, hearing the various theories. I'm inclined to take the show at its word and believe that the woman we saw at the end of the episode is a female variant of Loki and not some amalgamation of Loki and the Enchantress.
What motivation would the Enchantress have for starting a gorilla war with the TVA?
I'd prefer to see the Enchantress appear in a Thor movie vs. a Loki miniseries. That said, the Enchantress could be the Power Broker of Loki. I don't know. I think the writers are taking what they need from the source and discarding the rest. They're cherry-picking various aspects of different iterations of Loki and Enchantress, and they're using them to create one new version for the MCU.
If nothing else, at least I got a reading list out of listening to the various theories.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 19, 2021 3:28:26 GMT 1
Good question here Loki manually used the space stone to travel and perhaps accidentally wound up in the Gobi desert. I think he was just getting away as fast as he could to anywhere. Red Skull on the other hand Ive always thought was sent to Vormir. The stones have some level of communication with one another and Ive interpreted this as the soul stone having the tesseract send him there to be the guardian. It’s possible Skull partially triggered this himself. I’m not sure if there’s further clarity on it TBH, but I do think there’s a difference between what happened to him and others using it for travel. Good call on Loki’s dance with evilness. As much as he enjoys causing trouble, in the end I believe him when he says he doesn’t enjoy the harm. There’s a line where he finds it to be too much But Loki in 2012 abused the power of Tesseract himself and has certainly displayed the same murderous intent as Red Skull. I keep thinking back to Prof Selvig while under the Mind Stone saying the Tesseract speaks to him and certainly in the comics the Cube is inhabited by an intelligent, child-like being. I also am wondering about the use of Haven Hills as the doomed town the saboteur Loki is hiding in. Haven is the supposed Tenth Realm disgraced warriors are sent to. Curious. Not sure I can guess the Tesseracts intent or the meaning of the town in Loki
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 6:58:23 GMT 1
A question about Casey’s evidence cart: there are five kinds of Infinity Stones inside. I can’t be sure per my TV, but are those Orange Soul Stones or Red Reality ones? Red reality stones, however a yellow mind stone is shown being used as a paper weight in the credits, so you do see all of them if anybody was curious. I haven't notice the credits that much. I'll look at them after the next episode. Casey says they use "some" of them as paperweights. Anyway, I'm riffing off the "theory" that the TVA is not who they say they are, though Mobius and the time cops may believe they are working to keep the "sacred" timeline intact. I'm thinking they themselves believe they were born into the TVA, but may be hostages themselves for time travel infractions.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 19, 2021 10:01:07 GMT 1
Red reality stones, however a yellow mind stone is shown being used as a paper weight in the credits, so you do see all of them if anybody was curious. I haven't notice the credits that much. I'll look at them after the next episode. Casey says they use "some" of them as paperweights. Anyway, I'm riffing off the "theory" that the TVA is not who they say they are, though Mobius and the time cops may believe they are working to keep the "sacred" timeline intact. I'm thinking they themselves believe they were born into the TVA, but may be hostages themselves for time travel infractions. Im leaning that direction myself actually BTW I posted a New Rockstars end credits easteregg breakdown VOD which is pretty good. Check it out.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 19, 2021 16:16:07 GMT 1
I made some time early this morning to make the rounds on YouTube regarding Loki Episodes 1 and 2 theories. Honestly, I think a lot of people are overthinking female Loki. When you know the source material even moderately well, it becomes easy to lose yourself in headcanon. I can't say it hasn't been a lot of fun, though, hearing the various theories. I'm inclined to take the show at its word and believe that the woman we saw at the end of the episode is a female variant of Loki and not some amalgamation of Loki and the Enchantress. What motivation would the Enchantress have for starting a gorilla war with the TVA? I'd prefer to see the Enchantress appear in a Thor movie vs. a Loki miniseries. That said, the Enchantress could be the Power Broker of Loki. I don't know. I think the writers are taking what they need from the source and discarding the rest. They're cherry-picking various aspects of different iterations of Loki and Enchantress, and they're using them to create one new version for the MCU. If nothing else, at least I got a reading list out of listening to the various theories. Ya know, I'm softening my initial "EUREKA!" stance on my obviously convoluted theory, specifically because, you're right, it's obviously convoluted. It could be what's going on, but yeah, the simplest answer here is she is exactly what they state, an alt reality were Laufey's child was a girl and here she is. The only question would then be what is she doing, which is a question anyway. The big pot hole I found in my literal future mainline Loki reborn with the new powers Fem Loki displays is that the TVA still calls her Loki. And they'd know her history, but in my theory they wouldn't automatically know her as Loki, and they also might have explained it to Variant Loki if they did, all of which would require another explanation. So again that's potentially all getting overly convoluted, and even if it does work, it's not likely to be what they're doing. But I remain curious why they credited her with the name of the second Enchantress. That's keeping me on the hook of my theory, because why do any sort of amalgamation with Enchantress at all? Especially the version Loki was responsible for creating??? Hummmmmmm
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2021 21:53:01 GMT 1
I made some time early this morning to make the rounds on YouTube regarding Loki Episodes 1 and 2 theories. Honestly, I think a lot of people are overthinking female Loki. When you know the source material even moderately well, it becomes easy to lose yourself in headcanon. I can't say it hasn't been a lot of fun, though, hearing the various theories. I'm inclined to take the show at its word and believe that the woman we saw at the end of the episode is a female variant of Loki and not some amalgamation of Loki and the Enchantress. What motivation would the Enchantress have for starting a gorilla war with the TVA? I'd prefer to see the Enchantress appear in a Thor movie vs. a Loki miniseries. That said, the Enchantress could be the Power Broker of Loki. I don't know. I think the writers are taking what they need from the source and discarding the rest. They're cherry-picking various aspects of different iterations of Loki and Enchantress, and they're using them to create one new version for the MCU. If nothing else, at least I got a reading list out of listening to the various theories. Ya know, I'm softening my initial "EUREKA!" stance on my obviously convoluted theory, specifically because, you're right, it's obviously convoluted. It could be what's going on, but yeah, the simplest answer here is she is exactly what they state, an alt reality were Laufey's child was a girl and here she is. The only question would then be what is she doing, which is a question anyway. The big pot hole I found in my literal future mainline Loki reborn with the new powers Fem Loki displays is that the TVA still calls her Loki. And they'd know her history, but in my theory they wouldn't automatically know her as Loki, and they also might have explained it to Variant Loki if they did, all of which would require another explanation. So again that's potentially all getting overly convoluted, and even if it does work, it's not likely to be what they're doing. But I remain curious why they credited her with the name of the second Enchantress. That's keeping me on the hook of my theory, because why do any sort of amalgamation with Enchantress at all? Especially the version Loki was responsible for creating??? Hummmmmmm I can only hazard a guess about the choice of name. Loki is a predominantly male name. I'm sure that even a half-awake female staff writer on the show bought this up at some point. The female Loki of the comics - Loki in Siff's body - was not born a male. She is Loki via possession. If a female child were born to Laufey instead of a male heir, she'd be a unique albeit similar person to our Loki (as you pointed out a while back). So it would make sense that her parents would give her a girl's name at birth and not a boy's. Ironically enough, in Norse mythology, Laufey is a woman and Loki's birth mother. So Loki's name in the old myths, Loki Laufeyjarson, is an anomaly because patriarchal tradition dictated that his surname be Fárbautason (after his father, Fárbauti). Marvel corrected this aberration by making Laufey into a male.
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