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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 19, 2021 22:09:39 GMT 1
Ya know, I'm softening my initial "EUREKA!" stance on my obviously convoluted theory, specifically because, you're right, it's obviously convoluted. It could be what's going on, but yeah, the simplest answer here is she is exactly what they state, an alt reality were Laufey's child was a girl and here she is. The only question would then be what is she doing, which is a question anyway. The big pot hole I found in my literal future mainline Loki reborn with the new powers Fem Loki displays is that the TVA still calls her Loki. And they'd know her history, but in my theory they wouldn't automatically know her as Loki, and they also might have explained it to Variant Loki if they did, all of which would require another explanation. So again that's potentially all getting overly convoluted, and even if it does work, it's not likely to be what they're doing. But I remain curious why they credited her with the name of the second Enchantress. That's keeping me on the hook of my theory, because why do any sort of amalgamation with Enchantress at all? Especially the version Loki was responsible for creating??? Hummmmmmm I can only hazard a guess about the choice of name. Loki is a predominantly male name. I'm sure that even a half-awake female staff writer on the show bought this up at some point. The female Loki of the comics - Loki in Siff's body - was not born a male. She is Loki via possession. If a female child were born to Laufey instead of a male heir, she'd be a unique albeit similar person to our Loki (as you pointed out a while back). So it would make sense that her parents would give her a girl's name at birth and not a boy's. Ironically enough, in Norse mythology, Laufey is a woman and Loki's birth mother. So Loki's name in the old myths, Loki Laufeyjarson, is an anomaly because patriarchal tradition dictated that his surname be Fárbautason (after his father, Fárbauti). Marvel corrected this aberration by making Laufey into a male. Its the female by possession of Sif’s new body thing that still has me curious about my theory. The main reason being they introduced her significant bee power as being possession. It’s almost too good not to be what’s going on. Almost. Almost. I said almost lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 5:31:19 GMT 1
I made some time early this morning to make the rounds on YouTube regarding Loki Episodes 1 and 2 theories. Honestly, I think a lot of people are overthinking female Loki. When you know the source material even moderately well, it becomes easy to lose yourself in headcanon. I can't say it hasn't been a lot of fun, though, hearing the various theories. I'm inclined to take the show at its word and believe that the woman we saw at the end of the episode is a female variant of Loki and not some amalgamation of Loki and the Enchantress. What motivation would the Enchantress have for starting a gorilla war with the TVA? I'd prefer to see the Enchantress appear in a Thor movie vs. a Loki miniseries. That said, the Enchantress could be the Power Broker of Loki. I don't know. I think the writers are taking what they need from the source and discarding the rest. They're cherry-picking various aspects of different iterations of Loki and Enchantress, and they're using them to create one new version for the MCU. If nothing else, at least I got a reading list out of listening to the various theories. Ya know, I'm softening my initial "EUREKA!" stance on my obviously convoluted theory, specifically because, you're right, it's obviously convoluted. It could be what's going on, but yeah, the simplest answer here is she is exactly what they state, an alt reality were Laufey's child was a girl and here she is. The only question would then be what is she doing, which is a question anyway. The big pot hole I found in my literal future mainline Loki reborn with the new powers Fem Loki displays is that the TVA still calls her Loki. And they'd know her history, but in my theory they wouldn't automatically know her as Loki, and they also might have explained it to Variant Loki if they did, all of which would require another explanation. So again that's potentially all getting overly convoluted, and even if it does work, it's not likely to be what they're doing. But I remain curious why they credited her with the name of the second Enchantress. That's keeping me on the hook of my theory, because why do any sort of amalgamation with Enchantress at all? Especially the version Loki was responsible for creating??? Hummmmmmm Here's my prediction: Fem Loki is the Prime Loki we see in the MCU movies though s/he presents herself as male. The Loki we see in the TV series got shucked off in the Gobi as a doppelganger when s/he grabbed the Tesseract perhaps depositing the last bit of honesty s/he has left, but who prevents her from achieving his/her sinister plans of universal domination. Other Loki doppelgangers have been collected by TVA. We assume they were "reset" or killed off, but they could just be in suspended animation or living normally not realizing anything has happened to them inside the vast TVA Brooklynoplis complex that can mimic any environmental surroundings. These variant Lokii are Prime Loki's future army. The MCI Loki never died and he did not reform himself after being locked up by Odin. S/he bided his time as Thanos and the Avengers to do their thing with the Infinity Stones while playing his part to push the present universe to it's end, then time travel back along the line to reconfigure the MCU universe to his liking. We don't know for sure if MCU Loki died at the hands of Thanos, he has faked his death several times before. It is possible the Fem Loki's body is the Enchantress and Loki possesses her using her magic skills or maybe they are working together. Keep watch if any reference is made to the God's Eye Mirror.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 15:47:08 GMT 1
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but as Lady Loki and Loki are having their confrontation, there is a cut to someone wiring the reset bombs. So this makes an accomplice of hers.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 20, 2021 18:48:13 GMT 1
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but as Lady Loki and Loki are having their confrontation, there is a cut to someone wiring the reset bombs. So this makes an accomplice of hers. It was Agatha all along.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 21:54:47 GMT 1
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but as Lady Loki and Loki are having their confrontation, there is a cut to someone wiring the reset bombs. So this makes an accomplice of hers. It's possible. Although I just assumed it was still Lady Loki, she was in control of her own body as well as another's
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 21:56:06 GMT 1
Who thinks Kid Loki will appear? I hope he does
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 22, 2021 18:21:58 GMT 1
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but as Lady Loki and Loki are having their confrontation, there is a cut to someone wiring the reset bombs. So this makes an accomplice of hers. I'm pretty sure, but possibly wrong, that Lady Loki is fully capable of using her own body even while her mind has possessed another person. So the person wiring was Lady Loki herself. There's some chance that's not what it seemed, but I'd be willing to bet on it.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 22, 2021 18:32:50 GMT 1
I really hope the show picks up with episode 3.
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Post by maximura on Jun 22, 2021 23:26:59 GMT 1
I really hope the show picks up with episode 3. I heard that from you in the review, as well. What is it missing for you? I've loved it so far, so I'm curious where it's missing for some people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 3:26:50 GMT 1
I really hope the show picks up with episode 3. I heard that from you in the review, as well. What is it missing for you? I've loved it so far, so I'm curious where it's missing for some people. The Grandmaster has a big crush on Loki and it's not being returned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 3:28:16 GMT 1
I really hope the show picks up with episode 3. Some folks are too hard to please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 3:30:27 GMT 1
Who thinks Kid Loki will appear? I hope he does I think he will if he hasn't already.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 8:47:14 GMT 1
I was wrong, they actually all are mind-controlled slaves living in an alternate reality at the end of time. Don't know what to make of that... LOL!
When is a Loki not a Loki?
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 23, 2021 8:47:18 GMT 1
I really hope the show picks up with episode 3. I heard that from you in the review, as well. What is it missing for you? I've loved it so far, so I'm curious where it's missing for some people. I found it boring and cringy. And episode 3 is a filler episode. This show is easily the worst Marvel Studios has done.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 23, 2021 8:53:08 GMT 1
Im really disappointed in this show. Solid start, boring and cringe continuation followed by complete filler of an episode.
There was nothing in this episode that continued the story. I also didnt feel any chemistry between Loki and Sylvie. I found it utterly boring and annoying. It really needs to pick up in the second half and improve.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:01:45 GMT 1
Im really disappointed in this show. Solid start, boring and cringe continuation followed by complete filler of an episode. There was nothing in this episode that continued the story. I also didnt feel any chemistry between Loki and Sylvie. I found it utterly boring and annoying. It really needs to pick up in the second half and improve. Thats unfortunate. Complete opposite for me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:04:11 GMT 1
I was wrong, they actually all are mind-controlled slaves living in an alternate reality at the end of time. Don't know what to make of that... LOL! When is a Loki not a Loki? And Sylvie could still be the Enchantress
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:09:47 GMT 1
Fun Fact: Lamentis is located on the very edge of Kree Space
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Post by maximura on Jun 23, 2021 12:51:52 GMT 1
Im really disappointed in this show. Solid start, boring and cringe continuation followed by complete filler of an episode. There was nothing in this episode that continued the story. I also didnt feel any chemistry between Loki and Sylvie. I found it utterly boring and annoying. It really needs to pick up in the second half and improve. At the risk of blasphemy, I may have to level an accusation of trolling against the mighty Grandmaster and his melt stick. I'm not sure what show you're watching, but how was this episode filler? The story was identifying the differences between Loki and Sylvie. It began with her plan and we learn through the discussion that her violence first method isn't enough, and neither is Loki's diplomacy and guile. It was a character build episode with plenty of action and a definite version of Enchantress Loki. We also learned about the TVA employees source. It ends with them being trapped in an apocalypse event with no escape in sight which is the risk of shielding oneself in an apocalypse. Thus, I reiterate my accusation of trolling, risking the mighty melt stick. I know you aren't actually trolling, but I don't understand how this is possibly a filler episode given that we don't even know where it's going. Filler is Goku and Piccolo getting driver's licenses.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 23, 2021 13:51:30 GMT 1
I was surprised by how short the episode was.
Anyhow the director confirmed that Loki is indeed Bisexual in the MCU.
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Post by maximura on Jun 23, 2021 14:52:24 GMT 1
I was surprised by how short the episode was. Anyhow the director confirmed that Loki is indeed Bisexual in the MCU. Technically, all Loki confirmed there was that people of both sexes vied for his attentions, not that he gave attentions back. So, a bit of a swing and a miss for wanting to confirm it. I mean, it's clearly the intent, but what a lazy way to try to secure it.
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Post by maximura on Jun 23, 2021 15:37:35 GMT 1
Question of the episode: Did the Sylvie enchantment of Loki actually work, or possibly Loki enchanting her in that moment? Either of those would make everything after a manipulation for information.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 23, 2021 15:58:11 GMT 1
Im really disappointed in this show. Solid start, boring and cringe continuation followed by complete filler of an episode. There was nothing in this episode that continued the story. I also didnt feel any chemistry between Loki and Sylvie. I found it utterly boring and annoying. It really needs to pick up in the second half and improve. At the risk of blasphemy, I may have to level an accusation of trolling against the mighty Grandmaster and his melt stick. I'm not sure what show you're watching, but how was this episode filler? The story was identifying the differences between Loki and Sylvie. It began with her plan and we learn through the discussion that her violence first method isn't enough, and neither is Loki's diplomacy and guile. It was a character build episode with plenty of action and a definite version of Enchantress Loki. We also learned about the TVA employees source. It ends with them being trapped in an apocalypse event with no escape in sight which is the risk of shielding oneself in an apocalypse. Thus, I reiterate my accusation of trolling, risking the mighty melt stick. I know you aren't actually trolling, but I don't understand how this is possibly a filler episode given that we don't even know where it's going. Filler is Goku and Piccolo getting driver's licenses. Contrary to popular belief about me and this site differing opinions are most welcome. I am happy you guys all enjoy it. I just dont. Episode 2 and 3 are not so good. On episode 3: To me it was a filler. I understand the character stuff but thats too little for me to make this show interesting. Is it too much to ask drive forward the plot as well? Its a six episode miniseries. They spend one episode on nothing but a dynamic between two characters (who have little onscreen chemistry btw) which quickly becomes repetitive and boring. And its a short episode. It feels like the episode on the ice planet in Mando season 2 to me. They wrote it in because they didnt have enough material for 6 episodes. At least thats how I see it.
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Post by maximura on Jun 23, 2021 16:36:16 GMT 1
At the risk of blasphemy, I may have to level an accusation of trolling against the mighty Grandmaster and his melt stick. I'm not sure what show you're watching, but how was this episode filler? The story was identifying the differences between Loki and Sylvie. It began with her plan and we learn through the discussion that her violence first method isn't enough, and neither is Loki's diplomacy and guile. It was a character build episode with plenty of action and a definite version of Enchantress Loki. We also learned about the TVA employees source. It ends with them being trapped in an apocalypse event with no escape in sight which is the risk of shielding oneself in an apocalypse. Thus, I reiterate my accusation of trolling, risking the mighty melt stick. I know you aren't actually trolling, but I don't understand how this is possibly a filler episode given that we don't even know where it's going. Filler is Goku and Piccolo getting driver's licenses. Contrary to popular belief about me and this site differing opinions are most welcome. I am happy you guys all enjoy it. I just dont. Episode 2 and 3 are not so good. On episode 3: To me it was a filler. I understand the character stuff but thats too little for me to make this show interesting. Is it too much to ask drive forward the plot as well? Its a six episode miniseries. They spend one episode on nothing but a dynamic between two characters (who have little onscreen chemistry btw) which quickly becomes repetitive and boring. And its a short episode. It feels like the episode on the ice planet in Mando season 2 to me. They wrote it in because they didnt have enough material for 6 episodes. At least thats how I see it. I read their lack of chemistry as intended. Each mistrusts the other and is waiting for any opportunity to play them, so there is constant doubt and deceit. With the exception of the ham handed director agenda, I found the episode to build quite a bit on each of them and the mystery of the TVA. We have no idea what was real in this last episode. I'd expect to see several things from each one's perspective in the near future illuminating some deceit we've not been privy to.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2021 17:17:58 GMT 1
I’ve got a small theory about this one
The key is the opening scene showing us how an enchantment looks to the enchantee. 2 similar but different restaurants. Going to watch this again with the question, what exactly are we seeing? Food for thought. It reminded me immediately of the New York shot in the trailers.
Side notes. She’s clearly from the future. And you’d die from a drinking game using the word enchant. She’s enchantress or my isnt ArArArchStanton.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2021 17:30:21 GMT 1
I was wrong, they actually all are mind-controlled slaves living in an alternate reality at the end of time. Don't know what to make of that... LOL! When is a Loki not a Loki? And Sylvie could still be the Enchantress Id bet anybody anything she is now. They used the word enchant 100 times and her name is the second enchantress
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2021 17:32:20 GMT 1
Question of the episode: Did the Sylvie enchantment of Loki actually work, or possibly Loki enchanting her in that moment? Either of those would make everything after a manipulation for information. Im rewatching on flight 2 specifically for this question. Somethings up here folks
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2021 17:44:07 GMT 1
Awww man I love that ice spider Mando episode.
This Loki ep was subtle, no doubt. I’m about to do a rewatch on my second flight. I think there’s something big going on that’s part of being an enchantress.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 21:32:40 GMT 1
And Sylvie could still be the Enchantress Id bet anybody anything she is now. They used the word enchant 100 times and her name is the second enchantress It's a possibility but the jury is still out for me. Why mention enchant so many times? Could go for or against the theory. For example, against, so many times mentioned it could indicate a red herring
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 21:33:16 GMT 1
She was guarded/coy about personal info though
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