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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 16, 2021 8:41:58 GMT 1
Yeah, I like Rob's brand of speculation. He's not trying to be right; it's more like exercising a creative muscle in the brain based on his encyclopedic knowledge of comic books. I think he's wrong about Loki being in an alternate dimension inside the TVA. The TVA exists outside of time. Any changes to it would therefore be singular. I don't there are infinite versions of the TVA itself, just the variants who inhabit it. Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? We are certain its not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 8:43:55 GMT 1
Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? We are certain its not. I duno, could go either way imo
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 16, 2021 13:32:28 GMT 1
Yeah, I like Rob's brand of speculation. He's not trying to be right; it's more like exercising a creative muscle in the brain based on his encyclopedic knowledge of comic books. I think he's wrong about Loki being in an alternate dimension inside the TVA. The TVA exists outside of time. Any changes to it would therefore be singular. I don't there are infinite versions of the TVA itself, just the variants who inhabit it. Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? I agree with @grandmaster on this one. Could be wrong of course, but I felt the implication was pretty clear that Jonathan Majors will be playing multiple different versions of this character. I don’t think it’s ending in Ant Man 3, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see half a dozen of more wildly different versions from him between now and Avengers 5. I think we just saw the Thanos head turn.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 16, 2021 14:01:03 GMT 1
Yeah, I like Rob's brand of speculation. He's not trying to be right; it's more like exercising a creative muscle in the brain based on his encyclopedic knowledge of comic books. I think he's wrong about Loki being in an alternate dimension inside the TVA. The TVA exists outside of time. Any changes to it would therefore be singular. I don't there are infinite versions of the TVA itself, just the variants who inhabit it. Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? Technically, we didn't meet Kang. The person we were introduced to is closer to being Immortus, a character representing Kang at the end of his temporal lifecycle. The statue we saw at the TVA is of a different younger person who is likely Kang - or at least closer to being Kang. We're just one appearance in for Kang, and it's already confusing. This story arc has the potential to be the most complex piece of work that the MCU has attempted thus far. The Loki series itself is proof of that. Good luck following everything to anyone who isn't at least paying attention to the Disney+ shows.
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Post by maximura on Jul 16, 2021 14:18:21 GMT 1
Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? I agree with @grandmaster on this one. Could be wrong of course, but I felt the implication was pretty clear that Jonathan Majors will be playing multiple different versions of this character. I don’t think it’s ending in Ant Man 3, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see half a dozen of more wildly different versions from him between now and Avengers 5. I think we just saw the Thanos head turn. I think it's a combo of both answers. It is not literally the same guy, but given eternity in solitude, any Kang that rises to the top and does the TVA will essentially be identical to the One Who Remains. Now, any Kang prior to that is certainly going to be all over the place on expectations, but the one that seizes control and sits on it for eternity will have the same insights, the same apathy, the same crazy, for all time, always. I'd even argue that this may not have even been the first One Who Remains. The time stream that enters the event horizon forms a loop around the castle, again illustrated by the wrist slide showing him as working on a circular stream around him. Ragnarok is listed as the end point in an eternal cycle of death and rebirth for Asgard. This game may have been played an infinite number of times, possibly across a myriad of different multiversal isolations. It had almost certainly occured enough times to have a record of it up to the point in the conversation where he stopped knowing where it was going.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 16, 2021 14:56:24 GMT 1
I agree with @grandmaster on this one. Could be wrong of course, but I felt the implication was pretty clear that Jonathan Majors will be playing multiple different versions of this character. I don’t think it’s ending in Ant Man 3, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see half a dozen of more wildly different versions from him between now and Avengers 5. I think we just saw the Thanos head turn. I think it's a combo of both answers. It is not literally the same guy, but given eternity in solitude, any Kang that rises to the top and does the TVA will essentially be identical to the One Who Remains. Now, any Kang prior to that is certainly going to be all over the place on expectations, but the one that seizes control and sits on it for eternity will have the same insights, the same apathy, the same crazy, for all time, always. I'd even argue that this may not have even been the first One Who Remains. The time stream that enters the event horizon forms a loop around the castle, again illustrated by the wrist slide showing him as working on a circular stream around him. Ragnarok is listed as the end point in an eternal cycle of death and rebirth for Asgard. This game may have been played an infinite number of times, possibly across a myriad of different multiversal isolations. It had almost certainly occured enough times to have a record of it up to the point in the conversation where he stopped knowing where it was going. Yes, yes, and yes. I think you've got it, Sir. I see why Jonathan Majors was compelled to take the role (beyond the general notoriety of the MCU). Kang/The Scarlet Centurion/Rama Tut/Immortus - and all the rest - is an opportunity to demonstrate a wide range of acting abilities. And Marvel also wins because the audience will never know what to expect with each new Kang variant. My guess is that they will not give us what we expect (i.e., a fascist autocrat bent on ruling all timelines - always). I've watched the episode a few more times since my review on the bleeding edge, and Major's performance keeps getting better. It only has one or two false notes that I could detect. He plays the One Who Remains as if he's gone mad from the isolation, the knowledge of things to come, and the unbearable weight of infinity. I will caution diehard fans not to get too bogged down in proper names; Iron Lad, Immortus, or Nathaniel Richards... A time traveling despot by any other name... is still Kang the Conqueror.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 16, 2021 15:10:17 GMT 1
Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? Technically, we didn't meet Kang. The person we were introduced to is closer to being Immortus, a character representing Kang at the end of his temporal lifecycle. The statue we saw at the TVA is of a different younger person who is likely Kang - or at least closer to being Kang. We're just one appearance in for Kang, and it's already confusing. This story arc has the potential to be the most complex piece of work that the MCU has attempted thus far. The Loki series itself is proof of that. Good luck following everything to anyone who isn't at least paying attention to the Disney+ shows. You absolutely have to be watching Disney Plus now. If you have to sell a kidney or a loved one to do it, JUST DO IT! And I second that there are a seemingly multitude of perspectives coming out of this. Chalk me up as having no guess on where they’re going other than it’s shaping up to be the wildest mind fuck ride we’ve ever been on.
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Post by maximura on Jul 16, 2021 15:12:53 GMT 1
Technically, we didn't meet Kang. The person we were introduced to is closer to being Immortus, a character representing Kang at the end of his temporal lifecycle. The statue we saw at the TVA is of a different younger person who is likely Kang - or at least closer to being Kang. We're just one appearance in for Kang, and it's already confusing. This story arc has the potential to be the most complex piece of work that the MCU has attempted thus far. The Loki series itself is proof of that. Good luck following everything to anyone who isn't at least paying attention to the Disney+ shows. You absolutely have to be watching Disney Plus now. If you have to sell a kidney or a loved one to do it, JUST DO IT! And I second that there are a seemingly multitude of perspectives coming out of this. Chalk me up as having no guess on where they’re going other than it’s shaping up to be the wildest mind fuck ride we’ve ever been on. Arch will now be selling tshirts on Sakaar. His first design is apparently: "Will human traffic for D+"
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 16, 2021 15:16:21 GMT 1
I think it's a combo of both answers. It is not literally the same guy, but given eternity in solitude, any Kang that rises to the top and does the TVA will essentially be identical to the One Who Remains. Now, any Kang prior to that is certainly going to be all over the place on expectations, but the one that seizes control and sits on it for eternity will have the same insights, the same apathy, the same crazy, for all time, always. I'd even argue that this may not have even been the first One Who Remains. The time stream that enters the event horizon forms a loop around the castle, again illustrated by the wrist slide showing him as working on a circular stream around him. Ragnarok is listed as the end point in an eternal cycle of death and rebirth for Asgard. This game may have been played an infinite number of times, possibly across a myriad of different multiversal isolations. It had almost certainly occured enough times to have a record of it up to the point in the conversation where he stopped knowing where it was going. Yes, yes, and yes. I think you've got it, Sir. I see why Jonathan Majors was compelled to take the role (beyond the general notoriety of the MCU). Kang/The Scarlet Centurion/Rama Tut/Immortus - and all the rest - is an opportunity to demonstrate a wide range of acting abilities. And Marvel also wins because the audience will never know what to expect with each new Kang variant. My guess is that they will not give us what we expect (i.e., a fascist autocrat bent on ruling all timelines - always). I've watched the episode a few more times since my review on the bleeding edge, and Major's performance keeps getting better. It only has one or two false notes that I could detect. He plays the One Who Remains as if he's gone mad from the isolation, the knowledge of things to come, and the unbearable weight of infinity. I will caution diehard fans not to get too bogged down in proper names; Iron Lad, Immortus, or Nathaniel Richards... A time traveling despot by any other name... is still Kang the Conqueror. This, both of you, is super well reasoned and articulated on all fronts. I am suspecting and hopeful that Majors does have this opportunity upcoming to show off wildly different acted versions of this character, and if that is in fact what we’re in store for, Kang could wind up being one of the most interesting on screen characters we’ve ever seen.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 16, 2021 15:17:41 GMT 1
You absolutely have to be watching Disney Plus now. If you have to sell a kidney or a loved one to do it, JUST DO IT! And I second that there are a seemingly multitude of perspectives coming out of this. Chalk me up as having no guess on where they’re going other than it’s shaping up to be the wildest mind fuck ride we’ve ever been on. Arch will now be selling tshirts on Sakaar. His first design is apparently: "Will human traffic for D+" OH SHIT!!! Here comes Liam Neeson!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 17:27:08 GMT 1
And I thought I had a crush on Loki. Calm down boys 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:30:11 GMT 1
Honestly dont know, which is also why I replied to GM about Kang the way I did. Are we certain it's going to be the same Kang we just met? Technically, we didn't meet Kang. The person we were introduced to is closer to being Immortus, a character representing Kang at the end of his temporal lifecycle. The statue we saw at the TVA is of a different younger person who is likely Kang - or at least closer to being Kang. We're just one appearance in for Kang, and it's already confusing. This story arc has the potential to be the most complex piece of work that the MCU has attempted thus far. The Loki series itself is proof of that. Good luck following everything to anyone who isn't at least paying attention to the Disney+ shows. That is true, due to the tva, the telling of the Kang war and seemingly coming out on top
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:33:23 GMT 1
I think it's a combo of both answers. It is not literally the same guy, but given eternity in solitude, any Kang that rises to the top and does the TVA will essentially be identical to the One Who Remains. Now, any Kang prior to that is certainly going to be all over the place on expectations, but the one that seizes control and sits on it for eternity will have the same insights, the same apathy, the same crazy, for all time, always. I'd even argue that this may not have even been the first One Who Remains. The time stream that enters the event horizon forms a loop around the castle, again illustrated by the wrist slide showing him as working on a circular stream around him. Ragnarok is listed as the end point in an eternal cycle of death and rebirth for Asgard. This game may have been played an infinite number of times, possibly across a myriad of different multiversal isolations. It had almost certainly occured enough times to have a record of it up to the point in the conversation where he stopped knowing where it was going. Yes, yes, and yes. I think you've got it, Sir. I see why Jonathan Majors was compelled to take the role (beyond the general notoriety of the MCU). Kang/The Scarlet Centurion/Rama Tut/Immortus - and all the rest - is an opportunity to demonstrate a wide range of acting abilities.
And Marvel also wins because the audience will never know what to expect with each new Kang variant. My guess is that they will not give us what we expect (i.e., a fascist autocrat bent on ruling all timelines - always). I've watched the episode a few more times since my review on the bleeding edge, and Major's performance keeps getting better. It only has one or two false notes that I could detect. He plays the One Who Remains as if he's gone mad from the isolation, the knowledge of things to come, and the unbearable weight of infinity. I will caution diehard fans not to get too bogged down in proper names; Iron Lad, Immortus, or Nathaniel Richards... A time traveling despot by any other name... is still Kang the Conqueror. True, would be fun and a challenge. Also just look at the praise both Jodie Comer from Killing Eve and James Mcavoy in Split received
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:38:43 GMT 1
I think there are three scenarios:
-We will get the same Kang/Immortus as before
-It will be a different one
-third option but more of a combo of the other two-the "Kang" we met will reveal himself again and take over from alternate Kang
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Post by Jayman on Jul 17, 2021 2:09:59 GMT 1
I am missing out on so much fun here
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 17, 2021 3:23:40 GMT 1
I am missing out on so much fun here Jayman get some D+ man. BTW I’ve really been wanting to show back up on Saturday.
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Post by maximura on Jul 17, 2021 3:33:08 GMT 1
I am missing out on so much fun here Jayman get some D+ man. BTW I’ve really been wanting to show back up on Saturday. Jump in on text chat. That's what I'm doing.
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Post by Jayman on Jul 17, 2021 3:44:59 GMT 1
I am missing out on so much fun here Jayman get some D+ man. BTW I’ve really been wanting to show back up on Saturday. I don't know why I kept thinking the falcon and the winter soldier was 9 episodes but is only 6 so I only have a few more to go. then I will watch Loki. I know I am really bad but I just haven't felt like sitting down and watching anything that requires a brain lately. As always it would be great to have you back in the chat any time you are free. I have also missed talking to all you fine people here.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 17, 2021 3:53:19 GMT 1
Jayman get some D+ man. BTW I’ve really been wanting to show back up on Saturday. Jump in on text chat. That's what I'm doing. Oh I meant on Jaymans Saturday night jam session chats. He DJs and everything, lol. It’s chill
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 17, 2021 3:57:04 GMT 1
Renslayer thought.
It’s left unclear as to where Judge Renslayer goes in the finale but we do know she received some kind of information from Kang via Ms Minutes before she ultimately jumps through a door to mystery. I think he suspected he’d be killed and guided her to either a specific point in time that would allow her to maintain her authority, or some sort of independent time loop that isn’t connected to the main line, thus preserving her or even allowing her to work directly with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 19:53:59 GMT 1
Renslayer thought. It’s left unclear as to where Judge Renslayer goes in the finale but we do know she received some kind of information from Kang via Ms Minutes before she ultimately jumps through a door to mystery. I think he suspected he’d be killed and guided her to either a specific point in time that would allow her to maintain her authority, or some sort of independent time loop that isn’t connected to the main line, thus preserving her or even allowing her to work directly with him. Yeah, maybe to revive or collect him? How to control or fight the next, possibly evil Kang? Hard to know in these time/fantasy/alternate stories lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 20:03:32 GMT 1
Pretty cool video. Cant believe Greta Thunberg's voice (also Nelson Mandela et al) was included in space after the finale opening logo..how dare you!. That's woke as shit. So many other important famous people..They had to include her?? What a waste of a space.. Also gives other options to what Immortus' apple couldve been referring to apart from being a biblical reference
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jul 17, 2021 20:26:28 GMT 1
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Post by maximura on Jul 17, 2021 23:40:46 GMT 1
Pretty cool video. Cant believe Greta Thunberg's voice (also Nelson Mandela et al) was included in space after the finale opening logo..how dare you!. That's woke as shit. So many other important famous people..They had to include her?? What a waste of a space.. Also gives other options to what Immortus' apple couldve been referring to apart from being a biblical reference Well, the first noises may have been coming from a different but similar bubble multiverse. Perhaps we lucked out and ended up in a Greta free bubble. Maybe even a world that recognizes a recent high school drop out cannot, by virtue of age and experience, be an expert on virtually anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:30:22 GMT 1
Pretty cool video. Cant believe Greta Thunberg's voice (also Nelson Mandela et al) was included in space after the finale opening logo..how dare you!. That's woke as shit. So many other important famous people..They had to include her?? What a waste of a space.. Also gives other options to what Immortus' apple couldve been referring to apart from being a biblical referenceIn Norse mythology, eating apples grown by the earth goddess Idunna provides immortality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:37:43 GMT 1
Pretty cool video. Cant believe Greta Thunberg's voice (also Nelson Mandela et al) was included in space after the finale opening logo..how dare you!. That's woke as shit. So many other important famous people..They had to include her?? What a waste of a space.. Also gives other options to what Immortus' apple couldve been referring to apart from being a biblical reference Well, the first noises may have been coming from a different but similar bubble multiverse. Perhaps we lucked out and ended up in a Greta free bubble. Maybe even a world that recognizes a recent high school drop out cannot, by virtue of age and experience, be an expert on virtually anything. Maybe because she is Norse and said this: “How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just ‘business as usual’ and some technical solutions? With today’s emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than eight and a half years… You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.”She sounds a vengeful as Sylvie or the unreformed Loki. And revenge is a fool's errand, but does fuel a lot of comic book narratives.
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Post by maximura on Jul 18, 2021 12:48:49 GMT 1
Well, the first noises may have been coming from a different but similar bubble multiverse. Perhaps we lucked out and ended up in a Greta free bubble. Maybe even a world that recognizes a recent high school drop out cannot, by virtue of age and experience, be an expert on virtually anything. Maybe because she is Norse and said this: “How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just ‘business as usual’ and some technical solutions? With today’s emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than eight and a half years… You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.”She sounds a vengeful as Sylvie or the unreformed Loki. And revenge is a fool's errand, but does fuel a lot of comic book narratives. The show is introducing Kang, a character who's from the 31st century. The very concept of the character contradicts the statement from the doomsayer. They got it for vengeful sounding at the expense of narrative.
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Post by maximura on Jul 18, 2021 15:12:36 GMT 1
Maybe because she is Norse and said this: “How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just ‘business as usual’ and some technical solutions? With today’s emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than eight and a half years… You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.”She sounds a vengeful as Sylvie or the unreformed Loki. And revenge is a fool's errand, but does fuel a lot of comic book narratives. The show is introducing Kang, a character who's from the 31st century. The very concept of the character contradicts the statement from the doomsayer. They got it for vengeful sounding at the expense of narrative. On the other hand, if it was done ironically, it's hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 10:01:20 GMT 1
Interesting..why the TVA changed
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 19, 2021 21:41:24 GMT 1
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