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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 16, 2022 22:04:02 GMT 1
This series actually made me wish we got a post ROTS Darth Vader series where he hunts down the remaining surviving Jedi during the purge. I believe there was a book about that too. The fact that Vader is the most talked about in this series tells me that Disney made a mistake making an Obi-Wan series. I disagree. Vader works best in small doses. If it were an entire show of him he would lose his impact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:04:45 GMT 1
That audience score is pretty low. Officially rotten, as it were. Still majority positive. If it were an election it would be considered a landslide so everything is relative. I've also seen articles with evidence of review bombing of this show on RT but let's assume it is honest and accurate. I'm still waiting to see your overwhelmingly negative numbers from a reliable source. What if that audience score drops below 50 following the finale? Will you concede this?
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:05:00 GMT 1
Sometimes it’s okay to just recognize and acknowledge that you’re in the minority opinion. There’s literally nothing wrong with that. I am not ashamed to admit that I enjoy The Phantom Menace. But I’m certainly not gonna pretend like it’s as good as the originals, or that it’s a great film, or even that it’s not a severely flawed disaster. I can enjoy it though regardless and accept that most people don’t. The majority opinion on this Obi Wan show is overwhelmingly and undeniably negative. No getting around it. Accept that and continue to like it regardless. It’s pretty easy if you try. I hope this comment isn’t taken the wrong way. It’s sage advice. Trust me. How about you don't presume to tell us what we should think of a series you haven't watched. And actually, no, it's not the majority opinion. It's just the internet's negative voices being the loudest, as usual.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:05:34 GMT 1
I'm not going to accept something that isn't true. RT critics score - 84% RT audience score - 59% IMDB rating - 7.3 / 10 All 3 of those polls show a majority positive opinion. Do you have a reliable poll that shows that the majority opinion is in fact overwhelmingly and undeniably negative? That audience score is pretty low. Officially rotten, as it were. On a site aggregator that gets frequently review bombed and manipulated.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:06:11 GMT 1
Actually, Disney Stars Wars and the DCEU are quite comparable in a number of ways. It can indeed be interesting to analyze the missteps in the handling of major IPs. And surely fans who enjoy deconstructing the failures of one wouldn’t begrudge those who do the same with the other? You don't get to have an opinion until you've seen the series for yourself.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:07:14 GMT 1
All though I have some critique on this show its undeniable a good show. Lets not forget the negative discourse online is mainly based on mysogynie and racism. And hterfornlacksnany validation.
And a lot of fans are just dumb. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is hated because it didnt have enough cameos. So I would take the negarive take on Obi-Wan Kenobi with a pinch of salt and watch it and judge it for yourself. This. These people took one look at a black woman and decided to hate her based on factually false information.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 16, 2022 22:08:42 GMT 1
Still majority positive. If it were an election it would be considered a landslide so everything is relative. I've also seen articles with evidence of review bombing of this show on RT but let's assume it is honest and accurate. I'm still waiting to see your overwhelmingly negative numbers from a reliable source. What if that audience score drops below 50 following the finale? Will you concede this? All 3 of the scores I listed would have to drop substantially below 50% to meet your assertion of "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:11:35 GMT 1
What if that audience score drops below 50 following the finale? Will you concede this? All 3 of the scores I listed would have to drop substantially below 50% to meet your assertion of "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative". Audience score is the most important one. It’s like an election remember? When they don’t support what you want you no longer support the results. Just like real elections!
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:17:27 GMT 1
All 3 of the scores I listed would have to drop substantially below 50% to meet your assertion of "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative". Audience score is the most important one. It’s like an election remember? When they don’t support what you want you no longer support the results. Just like real elections! On a site where the store is easily manipulated and therefore unreliable.
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Post by Merv on Jun 16, 2022 22:18:05 GMT 1
This series actually made me wish we got a post ROTS Darth Vader series where he hunts down the remaining surviving Jedi during the purge. I believe there was a book about that too. The fact that Vader is the most talked about in this series tells me that Disney made a mistake making an Obi-Wan series. I'm not sure how Vader being a highlight of the show means they shouldn't have made it. This show has filled an interesting gap in the Anakin-Obiwan relationship that I really didn't even know I wanted. Vader is as important to Kenobis overall character story as he is to Lukes. It makes sense he'd be the highlight. I assumed coming in that the Inquisitors would play more of a role but honestly a lot of this show has been about Vaders rage and Kenobis ptsd.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 16, 2022 22:19:03 GMT 1
Actually, Disney Stars Wars and the DCEU are quite comparable in a number of ways. It can indeed be interesting to analyze the missteps in the handling of major IPs. And surely fans who enjoy deconstructing the failures of one wouldn’t begrudge those who do the same with the other? You don't get to have an opinion until you've seen the series for yourself. No one here gets to decide if anyone else here gets an opinion or not. That's not how this site works. If you cannot keep this discusson open and civil, I will lock the thread.
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Post by Merv on Jun 16, 2022 22:19:54 GMT 1
All though I have some critique on this show its undeniable a good show. Lets not forget the negative discourse online is mainly based on mysogynie and racism. And hterfornlacksnany validation.
And a lot of fans are just dumb. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is hated because it didnt have enough cameos. So I would take the negarive take on Obi-Wan Kenobi with a pinch of salt and watch it and judge it for yourself. This. These people took one look at a black woman and decided to hate her based on factually false information. That may be true for some but I will admit...I have a lot of criticisms of Reva character and they don't have anything to do with her being a black woman.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:20:37 GMT 1
You don't get to have an opinion until you've seen the series for yourself. No one here gets to decide if anyone else here gets an opinion or not. That's not how this site works. If you cannot keep this discusson open and civil, I will lock the thread. Like @ghostyghostington is keeping this discussion open and civil by telling us that we're wrong to think this series is good and refusing to give any ground to admit we might have a right to our views?
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 16, 2022 22:21:24 GMT 1
No one here gets to decide if anyone else here gets an opinion or not. That's not how this site works. If you cannot keep this discusson open and civil, I will lock the thread. Like @ghostyghostington is keeping this discussion open and civil by telling us that we're wrong to think this series is good and refusing to give any ground to admit we might have a right to our views? He is entitled to his opinion, just as you are.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:21:56 GMT 1
Like @ghostyghostington is keeping this discussion open and civil by telling us that we're wrong to think this series is good and refusing to give any ground to admit we might have a right to our views? He is entitled to his opinion, just as you are. He's telling us our opinions are wrong and actively trying to change them.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 16, 2022 22:22:26 GMT 1
He is entitled to his opinion, just as you are. He's telling us our opinions are wrong and actively trying to change them. Just like you are doing to him.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:25:09 GMT 1
He's telling us our opinions are wrong and actively trying to change them. Just like you are doing to him. Not even remotely. He hasn't seen the series, and therefore can't judge on an informed level. The fact there are people, intelligent people, who unironically like this series holds weight, and he's refusing to acknowledge that.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 16, 2022 22:31:46 GMT 1
All 3 of the scores I listed would have to drop substantially below 50% to meet your assertion of "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative". Audience score is the most important one. It’s like an election remember? When they don’t support what you want you no longer support the results. Just like real elections! You are the one not excepting the actual numbers and ignoring the 7.3 /10 audience score on IMDB (which has a much larger sample size). You are also the one that established the "overwhelmingly" standard. Even if the RT audience score dropped to 49% that would hardly be overwhelming. I didn't even get involved in this until you told us we should accept a statement of fact that was provably incorrect. Even if I didn't like the show I would still have a problem with factual errors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:33:25 GMT 1
Audience score is the most important one. It’s like an election remember? When they don’t support what you want you no longer support the results. Just like real elections! You are the one not excepting the actual numbers and ignoring the 7.3 /10 audience score on IMDB (which has a much larger sample size). You are also the one that established the "overwhelmingly" standard. Even if the RT audience score dropped to 49% that would hardly be overwhelming. I didn't even get involved in this until you told us we should accept a statement of fact that was provably incorrect. Even if I didn't like the show I would still have a problem factual errors. Not really. 59% is an F grade. Obi Wan needs to repeat kindergarten.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:36:15 GMT 1
Everyone needs to take a moment here and chill. This is a tv show. Heisenberg says relax. All I want is for you to acknowledge that those of us who like the series have legitimate views. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:37:08 GMT 1
Everyone needs to take a moment here and chill. This is a tv show. Heisenberg says relax. All I want is for you to acknowledge that those of us who like the series have legitimate views. That's all. My original post did not imply your views were not legitimate. That was clearly not my intention, man. You know that. Come on. I used my own opinion of Phantom Menace as an example. If I devalued anyones views I devalued my own too!
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 22:45:58 GMT 1
All I want is for you to acknowledge that those of us who like the series have legitimate views. That's all. My original post did not imply your views were not legitimate. That was clearly not my intention, man. You know that. Come on. You're right, sorry. That said, I think you're approaching this argument from a less than optimal angle.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 16, 2022 22:46:32 GMT 1
You are the one not excepting the actual numbers and ignoring the 7.3 /10 audience score on IMDB (which has a much larger sample size). You are also the one that established the "overwhelmingly" standard. Even if the RT audience score dropped to 49% that would hardly be overwhelming. I didn't even get involved in this until you told us we should accept a statement of fact that was provably incorrect. Even if I didn't like the show I would still have a problem factual errors. Not really. 59% is an F grade. Obi Wan needs to repeat kindergarten. That's it, keep moving those goal posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:47:59 GMT 1
My original post did not imply your views were not legitimate. That was clearly not my intention, man. You know that. Come on. You're right, sorry. That said, I think you're approaching this argument from a less than optimal angle. That’s fair enough. Let’s move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:50:56 GMT 1
This series actually made me wish we got a post ROTS Darth Vader series where he hunts down the remaining surviving Jedi during the purge. I believe there was a book about that too. The fact that Vader is the most talked about in this series tells me that Disney made a mistake making an Obi-Wan series. Dude are you still talking about Star Wars? Vader is a major character from the prequels right to the end of the original trilogy. The most famous quote is from Vader...
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 16, 2022 22:55:46 GMT 1
This series actually made me wish we got a post ROTS Darth Vader series where he hunts down the remaining surviving Jedi during the purge. I believe there was a book about that too. The fact that Vader is the most talked about in this series tells me that Disney made a mistake making an Obi-Wan series. Dude are you still talking about Star Wars? Vader is a major character from the prequels right to the end of the original trilogy. The most famous quote is from Vader... Exactly! Fuck Obi-Wan! He's a emo pussy! Bring on Darth Vader!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 22:57:14 GMT 1
Dude are you still talking about Star Wars? Vader is a major character from the prequels right to the end of the original trilogy. The most famous quote is from Vader... Exactly! Fuck Obi-Wan! He's a emo pussy! Bring on Darth Vader! Uh huh...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 23:01:15 GMT 1
Exactly! Fuck Obi-Wan! He's a emo pussy! Bring on Darth Vader! Uh huh... I’m with you two. A Vader series could’ve been dope.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jun 16, 2022 23:03:15 GMT 1
I’m with you two. A Vader series could’ve been dope. I think they're considering one. The idea is certainly picking up steam online.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 23:04:35 GMT 1
I’m with you two. A Vader series could’ve been dope. I think they're considering one. The idea is certainly picking up steam online. James Earl still does the voice, right? I wonder if he’d be up for a whole series. He must be in his 80s.
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