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Post by Merv on Nov 28, 2022 4:03:33 GMT 1
I do think a lot of the previous few episodes have been Mothma accepting the notion that she has to sacrifice her family, in a sense, in order for the rebellion to maintain course. The actress did a hell of a job portraying as much without much dialog. I wonder if this wont lead Perrin right into the pocket of Inspector Blevin, which may or may not be what Mothma expects. Yes, Mothma seems strangely resigned to it all but also a little regretful. Vel would have given them up easily (despite her token displays of affection for her niece). Mothma is more complicated that way. They set up a rivalry between Meero and Blevin that got sidetracked. I hope they pick up on this thread in the next season. Mothma may think she can pull this all back from the brink somehow. Genevieve O'Reilly turned out to be much more than a Caroline Blakiston lookalike. She's greatly expanded our understanding of the character. Also it was today I realized Genevieve O Reilly voices Moira in the video game Overwatch.
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Post by Merv on Nov 28, 2022 4:45:09 GMT 1
I do think a lot of the previous few episodes have been Mothma accepting the notion that she has to sacrifice her family, in a sense, in order for the rebellion to maintain course. The actress did a hell of a job portraying as much without much dialog. I wonder if this wont lead Perrin right into the pocket of Inspector Blevin, which may or may not be what Mothma expects. Yes, Mothma seems strangely resigned to it all but also a little regretful. Vel would have given them up easily (despite her token displays of affection for her niece). Mothma is more complicated that way. They set up a rivalry between Meero and Blevin that got sidetracked. I hope they pick up on this thread in the next season. Mothma may think she can pull this all back from the brink somehow. Genevieve O'Reilly turned out to be much more than a Caroline Blakiston lookalike. She's greatly expanded our understanding of the character. It’s interesting to compare also…because Mothma, at least earlier in the season, felt less invested in the rebellion than Vel, by comparison. Like she was still holding out hope that she could live her normal life as well as fight the Empire. But Vel compared to Cinta feels similar. Cinta appears to have committed herself completely to the mission while Vel still wants something outside of the rebellion to live for. That aspect to Vel and Cinta even goes back to the Eye episode where Vel appeared to have second thoughts whereas Cinta seemed all in. Maybe because Cinta had lost so much to the Empire already that the mission is all she’s living for. The more I think about Cinta as a character the more intrigued I am at how she got here and where she’ll wind up. There’s a character representation for seemingly every level of commitment to the rebellion and it’s interesting to see how they compare to one another.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 28, 2022 5:48:10 GMT 1
Yes, Mothma seems strangely resigned to it all but also a little regretful. Vel would have given them up easily (despite her token displays of affection for her niece). Mothma is more complicated that way. They set up a rivalry between Meero and Blevin that got sidetracked. I hope they pick up on this thread in the next season. Mothma may think she can pull this all back from the brink somehow. Genevieve O'Reilly turned out to be much more than a Caroline Blakiston lookalike. She's greatly expanded our understanding of the character. It’s interesting to compare also…because Mothma, at least earlier in the season, felt less invested in the rebellion than Vel, by comparison. Like she was still holding out hope that she could live her normal life as well as fight the Empire. But Vel compared to Cinta feels similar. Cinta appears to have committed herself completely to the mission while Vel still wants something outside of the rebellion to live for. That aspect to Vel and Cinta even goes back to the Eye episode where Vel appeared to have second thoughts whereas Cinta seemed all in. Maybe because Cinta had lost so much to the Empire already that the mission is all she’s living for. The more I think about Cinta as a character the more intrigued I am at how she got here and where she’ll wind up. There’s a character representation for seemingly every level of commitment to the rebellion and it’s interesting to see how they compare to one another. It really is incredible how they've created all of these levels of investment in the rebellion. We also forgot to discuss Cassian listening to Nemik's manifesto. This appears to be a turning point for him. I wonder why Cassian discarded the recorder…
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 28, 2022 11:34:19 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 8, 2022 13:08:10 GMT 1
You know you did well if even Honest Trailers has nothing but praise.
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Post by Merv on Dec 8, 2022 20:14:00 GMT 1
You know you did well if even Honest Trailers has nothing but praise. They say 'about the 3rd lead from Rogue One' but who was the 2nd lead from Rogue One? Jynn Erso is obviously the primary lead...but who do they imply is the second lead?
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Post by Merv on Dec 8, 2022 20:16:58 GMT 1
We probably didn't talk enough about how great the opening theme is...how it starts low and builds to a roar...really works alongside the idea of the rebellion forming to eventually be a problem for the empire.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 11, 2023 17:08:18 GMT 1
Had to make a pit stop here because I had an epiphany.
It just hit me like a bolt of lightning… Of everything that the American pop culture, mass media machine produces… and I do mean everything. I am MOST eagerly anticipating the second season of this show.
There has never been anything quite like Andor.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 11, 2023 19:42:10 GMT 1
Agreed.
This show was amazing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 11, 2023 19:46:09 GMT 1
Agreed. This show was amazing. I'm up to episode 4 of an impromptu rewatch and, man, it's a fucking revelation.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 11, 2023 19:56:39 GMT 1
Agreed. This show was amazing. I'm up to episode 4 of an impromptu rewatch and, man, it's a fucking revelation. This show should be studied in pop culture college.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 10, 2023 7:12:47 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on May 10, 2023 16:08:21 GMT 1
I stand with the WGA and applaud Tony for stepping away from his producing duties as a show of solidarity with his guild. That said, the line between writing and producing is well delineated, and one could have interpreted the lateral pressure he received to step down from producing as low-key intimidation. I wonder what the PGA will have to say about this - if anything. This sets a precedent where if you are a multi-hyphenate, you will be asked to step away from your other jobs in addition to your writing, such as directing. This doesn't bode well for Andor, as Disney probably isn't going to halt production of the show until Gilroy can return. The writers' strike of 1988 lasted 153 days.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 30, 2023 13:43:18 GMT 1
Finally started watching Andor. I’m traveling for a month so I have a lot of spare time lol
This has got one of the most lived in real intense vibes I’ve ever seen in any show and especially Star Wars. I’m only 2 episodes in and it’s not exactly clear what all is happening yet, why certain people are so suspicious of others, why certain things are important, or what the goal even is, but I am intrigued. More of this please and it also gives me a great deal of hope for darker premises like the Acolyte
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Post by Merv on Jun 30, 2023 14:11:58 GMT 1
Finally started watching Andor. I’m traveling for a month so I have a lot of spare time lol This has got one of the most lived in real intense vibes I’ve ever seen in any show and especially Star Wars. I’m only 2 episodes in and it’s not exactly clear what all is happening yet, why certain people are so suspicious of others, why certain things are important, or what the goal even is, but I am intrigued. More of this please and it also gives me a great deal of hope for darker premises like the Acolyte I don’t remember my thoughts on each episode, but I remember really enjoying the pacing. Along with the tone and grit the show had. It’s definitely a less whimsical take on Star Wars.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 30, 2023 16:44:31 GMT 1
Finally started watching Andor. I’m traveling for a month so I have a lot of spare time lol This has got one of the most lived in real intense vibes I’ve ever seen in any show and especially Star Wars. I’m only 2 episodes in and it’s not exactly clear what all is happening yet, why certain people are so suspicious of others, why certain things are important, or what the goal even is, but I am intrigued. More of this please and it also gives me a great deal of hope for darker premises like the Acolyte I wholeheartedly agree with the vibe you're describing for Andor - the show's ability to paint a palpable, intense, and lived-in universe is one of its strongest attributes. You've only just scratched the surface, though, and I promise it gets better as you go along. We were lucky to get a show of Andor's caliber. It's a unique blend of espionage, drama, and Star Wars lore that hooked me from the first episode. I particularly enjoyed that it was the first show from any franchise I've watched in a while that genuinely felt smarter than me. I was intrigued but lost during the initial episodes, but rather than feeling frustrated, I found it invigorating. I wasn't "ahead of it" at any point in the show and didn't want to be. It reminded me a lot of the good old days of Star Trek, which was always in front of me on topics of science, ethics, diplomacy, and morality. These days Star Trek is very much for younger adults. I envy you seeing it for the first time. I've watched it through three times, and I'm eagerly awaiting the publication of the production scripts for the show. It's unlikely to happen again as I think it was a unique mix of talent, the Gilroy's magic touch, and the intriguing subject matter, the character of Andor. So, savor it while you can! There's a political subtext that I think you'll enjoy, but I'd be curious to hear your take on it. I'm anxiously awaiting season two and hoping it will be as deeply engaging as the first season. It has also got me thinking - a caper like this in the Marvel Cinematic Universe would be a dream come true. Sorry for the word salad, but it's so damn rare to find people who truly appreciated this show or had anything positive to say about it - or who even bothered to watch it. Anyway, I'd love to know your thoughts as you progress through the show. For me, it came close to perfection. Safe travels, and may the force be with you.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 30, 2023 16:49:48 GMT 1
We probably didn't talk enough about how great the opening theme is...how it starts low and builds to a roar...really works alongside the idea of the rebellion forming to eventually be a problem for the empire. Why they didn't press the Andor soundtracks on vinyl is a mystery for the ages. It's outstanding work.
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Post by Merv on Jun 30, 2023 18:14:56 GMT 1
We probably didn't talk enough about how great the opening theme is...how it starts low and builds to a roar...really works alongside the idea of the rebellion forming to eventually be a problem for the empire. Why they didn't press the Andor soundtracks on vinyl is a mystery for the ages. It's outstanding work. It’s been months since I thought about it and immediately went and listened to the ’stone and sky’ song…and it gave me goosebump. So much emotional weight to the song. It’s such great work. I also remembered how many excellent monologues and speeches are in the show.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 30, 2023 19:15:27 GMT 1
Why they didn't press the Andor soundtracks on vinyl is a mystery for the ages. It's outstanding work. It’s been months since I thought about it and immediately went and listened to the ’stone and sky’ song…and it gave me goosebump. So much emotional weight to the song. It’s such great work. I also remembered how many excellent monologues and speeches are in the show. I couldn't agree more. The soundtrack, spread across four digital volumes, truly is an integral part of the show's emotive strength, with a good 70% of it standing out as truly exceptional. 'Stone and Sky' is also my personal favorite from the series. The blend of melancholy and hope encapsulated in it is phenomenal.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2023 3:51:05 GMT 1
I’m working through Andor and this is the most real I’ve ever felt Star Wars to be. You almost forget it’s Star Wars and it plays as a glorious deep future sci fi espionage dramatic thriller. And that’s a great thing. Oh the star wars is definitely there, and you know what you’re watching. This glimpse of a splinter of the rebellion as it was in the trenches. And as I start episode 7, I go in thinking that streaming was meant for Star Wars.
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Post by Merv on Jul 8, 2023 5:24:01 GMT 1
I’m working through Andor and this is the most real I’ve ever felt Star Wars to be. You almost forget it’s Star Wars and it plays as a glorious deep future sci fi espionage dramatic thriller. And that’s a great thing. Oh the star wars is definitely there, and you know what you’re watching. This glimpse of a splinter of the rebellion as it was in the trenches. And as I start episode 7, I go in thinking that streaming was meant for Star Wars. I really enjoyed the arc through eps 4-6. Episode 6 in particular I remember really enjoying. The group of mercenaries bringing their plan together. The next arc is a really good one as well.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 8, 2023 6:55:26 GMT 1
I’m working through Andor and this is the most real I’ve ever felt Star Wars to be. You almost forget it’s Star Wars and it plays as a glorious deep future sci fi espionage dramatic thriller. And that’s a great thing. Oh the star wars is definitely there, and you know what you’re watching. This glimpse of a splinter of the rebellion as it was in the trenches. And as I start episode 7, I go in thinking that streaming was meant for Star Wars. In your heart and mind, you know how this season ends for Andor, but you absolutely must see it to believe it.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 8, 2023 9:59:41 GMT 1
Finally started watching Andor. I’m traveling for a month so I have a lot of spare time lol This has got one of the most lived in real intense vibes I’ve ever seen in any show and especially Star Wars. I’m only 2 episodes in and it’s not exactly clear what all is happening yet, why certain people are so suspicious of others, why certain things are important, or what the goal even is, but I am intrigued. More of this please and it also gives me a great deal of hope for darker premises like the Acolyte I think the Acolyte has been cancelled now?
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 8, 2023 10:05:51 GMT 1
Shout out to that great monologue by a certain character when he/she is down below and talking to that other character. What do you sacrifice? Wont say more on account of Arch
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2023 13:45:49 GMT 1
I’m working through Andor and this is the most real I’ve ever felt Star Wars to be. You almost forget it’s Star Wars and it plays as a glorious deep future sci fi espionage dramatic thriller. And that’s a great thing. Oh the star wars is definitely there, and you know what you’re watching. This glimpse of a splinter of the rebellion as it was in the trenches. And as I start episode 7, I go in thinking that streaming was meant for Star Wars. In your heart and mind, you know how this season ends for Andor, but you absolutely must see it to believe it. It is ramping up nicely with equal parts personal journey and grand conspiracy. We absolutely needed this perspective on the rebellion and I think the lead character needed to be a more obscure one like Andor to give this the right sense of hiding in the shadows.
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Post by Merv on Jul 8, 2023 15:04:34 GMT 1
Shout out to that great monologue by a certain character when he/she is down below and talking to that other character. What do you sacrifice? Wont say more on account of Arch That’s only one of at least 3 great monologues I can think of.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2023 4:31:54 GMT 1
Just finished Andor annnnnnd WOW!!! More of that please. A long deserved ground level perspective, terrific sci fi settings, richly detailed characters and complex interactions, and well purposed episodes with unique qualities to each. A lot of this had me mesmerized with he world they built or rather, enhanced. I absolutely loved this. ArArRated - An almost fully operational Death Star muah ha ha.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2023 4:55:26 GMT 1
Shout out to that great monologue by a certain character when he/she is down below and talking to that other character. What do you sacrifice? Wont say more on account of Arch I appreciate your candor but don’t hold back on my account. I’ve attained a black belt in the art of spoiler avoidance ;-)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2023 5:03:26 GMT 1
Finally started watching Andor. I’m traveling for a month so I have a lot of spare time lol This has got one of the most lived in real intense vibes I’ve ever seen in any show and especially Star Wars. I’m only 2 episodes in and it’s not exactly clear what all is happening yet, why certain people are so suspicious of others, why certain things are important, or what the goal even is, but I am intrigued. More of this please and it also gives me a great deal of hope for darker premises like the Acolyte I wholeheartedly agree with the vibe you're describing for Andor - the show's ability to paint a palpable, intense, and lived-in universe is one of its strongest attributes. You've only just scratched the surface, though, and I promise it gets better as you go along. We were lucky to get a show of Andor's caliber. It's a unique blend of espionage, drama, and Star Wars lore that hooked me from the first episode. I particularly enjoyed that it was the first show from any franchise I've watched in a while that genuinely felt smarter than me. I was intrigued but lost during the initial episodes, but rather than feeling frustrated, I found it invigorating. I wasn't "ahead of it" at any point in the show and didn't want to be. It reminded me a lot of the good old days of Star Trek, which was always in front of me on topics of science, ethics, diplomacy, and morality. These days Star Trek is very much for younger adults. I envy you seeing it for the first time. I've watched it through three times, and I'm eagerly awaiting the publication of the production scripts for the show. It's unlikely to happen again as I think it was a unique mix of talent, the Gilroy's magic touch, and the intriguing subject matter, the character of Andor. So, savor it while you can! There's a political subtext that I think you'll enjoy, but I'd be curious to hear your take on it. I'm anxiously awaiting season two and hoping it will be as deeply engaging as the first season. It has also got me thinking - a caper like this in the Marvel Cinematic Universe would be a dream come true. Sorry for the word salad, but it's so damn rare to find people who truly appreciated this show or had anything positive to say about it - or who even bothered to watch it. Anyway, I'd love to know your thoughts as you progress through the show. For me, it came close to perfection. Safe travels, and may the force be with you. I 100% sympathize with this. I felt a strong presence in the first couple of episodes. Perhaps it was the force lol. But I knew it was could. You can tell craftsmanship. I was lost however. I didn’t know who was who or why the interactions were important. But I knew they were. And as you hit Ep 3 and then 4 it starts to become clear and the web of character interactions with a wide array of great characters is fantastic. Even smaller ones who come in for a couple of episodes, do so to gray effect by revealing a side of human nature that would arise in the given situation we find them. Almost every bit of this series speaks in a certain way. How people trust or don’t on a mission. How people react in a horrifying prison. What people are willing to do for others or for themselves. And where are the moral lines in any of it. Even Mothma, a heralded leader is forced to makes these choices of betrayal. But the way it all comes together in service to the plot is fantastic. I want more like this, more of the Rouge One era. This is peak Star Wars and offers so much in terms of making this every bit the vibrant living world that it is and deserves to be.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 12, 2023 5:22:09 GMT 1
Just finished Andor annnnnnd WOW!!! More of that please. A long deserved ground level perspective, terrific sci fi settings, richly detailed characters and complex interactions, and well purposed episodes with unique qualities to each. A lot of this had me mesmerized with he world they built or rather, enhanced. I absolutely loved this. ArArRated - An almost fully operational Death Star muah ha ha. Totally agree with you! Andor is, without a doubt, a groundbreaking addition to the science fiction TV show landscape of the 21st century, easily rubbing shoulders with the giants like Black Mirror, Raised by Wolves, and Battlestar Galactica. It's the level of intricate storytelling that sets it apart. Imagine working laboriously on what is essentially the instrument of your own demise - it boggles the mind. I'm amazed at the depth and social commentary they've managed to extract from this corner of the Star Wars universe. They've taken a franchise often seen as children's fare and elevated it to a new level. It's not an exaggeration to label Andor as a masterpiece. It is beautifully woven, and every episode feels purposeful and distinctive. And yes, the prospect of only one more season is absolutely heartbreaking. Yet, here's hoping that they manage to keep the bar high for the second and final season, giving this magnificent show the sendoff it deserves!
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