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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 3:49:22 GMT 1
That’s where my head is at. I’m nowhere near hater mind you. I had nothing but appreciation for this entry btw. Im just minus the true passion I had so I think I have to play it super casual and maybe it’ll hit me again. IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 5:09:01 GMT 1
I can’t honestly comment on it. I fear I’ve lost my interest, and I’m not sure if it’s coming back. :-( Damn. What happened, bro?! You were literally the biggest, most positive fan of anything I’ve ever met! Are we talking the MCU in general or just Black Panther? Because of it’s the latter, I understand completely. It’s not the same without TChalla.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 5:34:37 GMT 1
I can’t honestly comment on it. I fear I’ve lost my interest, and I’m not sure if it’s coming back. :-( Damn. What happened, bro?! You were literally the biggest, most positive fan of anything I’ve ever met! Are we talking the MCU in general or just Black Panther? Because of it’s the latter, I understand completely. It’s not the same without TChalla. Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 26, 2022 12:28:48 GMT 1
Damn. What happened, bro?! You were literally the biggest, most positive fan of anything I’ve ever met! Are we talking the MCU in general or just Black Panther? Because of it’s the latter, I understand completely. It’s not the same without TChalla. Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. Sounds like you may be burnt out by it. Which makes sense since we've been watching this franchise for nearly 15 years. Might not be a bad idea to take a break from it and revisit it a couple years later or whatever the break length that would work for you. The plus side to taking a break from this is that when you do eventually return, you'll have a lot more new content to check out when you're feeling up to it.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 26, 2022 14:59:49 GMT 1
Yep, the franchise has run it course. One problem is the volume. The charm of the previous phases is it uses all the most popular Marvel Avenger characters giving each their own showcase films. These alternated between the Infinity Stones saga and came to a grand finale with End Game.
Since then, a lot of new characters have been hastily put in place to fill in the gaps of the spent superheroes and they can’t compete. They are too one-dimensional. It’s now a production line.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 15:18:13 GMT 1
Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. Sounds like you may be burnt out by it. Which makes sense since we've been watching this franchise for nearly 15 years. Might not be a bad idea to take a break from it and revisit it a couple years later or whatever the break length that would work for you. The plus side to taking a break from this is that when you do eventually return, you'll have a lot more new content to check out when you're feeling up to it. Agreed although I think I’m going to keep casually checking it out as opposed to just not watching it. Just much less in detail with it. I’ll see what that does.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 26, 2022 15:31:04 GMT 1
I think Quantumania will make everyone invested again. Because Kang will be a major menace that everyone will be excited for.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 17:14:01 GMT 1
Aside from the really cool Namor/Wakanda/Established world realistic political dynamic, I can’t help but frame this in terms of “what if T’Challa”
I feel as though most of this film could have been done with T’Challa and they may have largely split his role between Shiri and Ramonda.
The shiri goes to America but could have still happened as is since she is the emissary of the outreach program with T’Challa remaining in Wakanda. Panther could have played a larger role in the initial siege by Namor with Ramonda still dying there. And then of course just give her bits as Queen T’Challa doing the same thing as king. Shiri could still have been kidnapped and that whole sequence been the same. Nakia could have still been recruited to go after her but just not have been isolated in Kenya. The end could play out basically the same, just with T’Challa as Panther. Shiri could have played more of a lead role on the boat.
Overall I could see putting T’Challa into this pretty comfortably.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 26, 2022 17:30:13 GMT 1
I think Quantumania will make everyone invested again. Because Kang will be a major menace that everyone will be excited for. I disagree. Even if the movie is tremendously good as a genre piece, I think its appeal will be limited to the hardcore MCU fan. Kang, although played remarkably well by Majors, isn't going to have the benefit of the build up Thanos had.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 26, 2022 17:32:43 GMT 1
Damn. What happened, bro?! You were literally the biggest, most positive fan of anything I’ve ever met! Are we talking the MCU in general or just Black Panther? Because of it’s the latter, I understand completely. It’s not the same without TChalla. Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. Face it, you are done. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:14:40 GMT 1
Damn. What happened, bro?! You were literally the biggest, most positive fan of anything I’ve ever met! Are we talking the MCU in general or just Black Panther? Because of it’s the latter, I understand completely. It’s not the same without TChalla. Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. I must admit I never thought I’d outlast you as a fan! Personally, I still can’t get enough of this stuff. God speed, Archie Stimpton. It’s been a hell of a ride.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 18:24:13 GMT 1
Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. Face it, you are done. Hee hee hee... You just had to go with Faora lol
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 26, 2022 18:30:06 GMT 1
Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. I must admit I never thought I’d outlast you as a fan! Personally, I still can’t get enough of this stuff. God speed, Archie Stimpton. It’s been a hell of a ride. I burn pretty hot as a fan. I’m currently obsessed over UEFA and Walkabout mini golf and there have been a lot of things from NFL, to Final Fantasy, to WWF, to Lord of the Rings, that have had their day at the top of my fandoms. A certain intensity has to be there to keep feeding me. It’s a hard feeling to describe but I’ve let all of them go almost over night when the time came. That being said, I may very well be back to full burn on this. Just being honest with myself.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 27, 2022 4:14:11 GMT 1
Ludwig Göransson's score for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is elite.
Furthermore, Wakanda Forever, his haunting composition for the Black Panther, is the best superhero theme in the MCU. It blends the two Panthers immaculately.
There can be no debate.
"She has done it. The Black Panther lives!"
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 27, 2022 18:41:33 GMT 1
Two more gorgeous themes from Wakanda Forever. Göransson's captures an awesome gothic horror vibe. Chef's kiss…
Namor's Throne
Imperius Rex
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 27, 2022 18:57:49 GMT 1
Okay… Having seen this film on a standard screen, I noticed the issues with darkness many fans reported at their screening. There was heavy vignetting in the corners and a dark cast over the screen during some scenes set at night. It's bizarre; none of these issues were present on the IMAX version. I hope it gets resolved before the digital release. Wakanda Forever, minus its sometimes heavy-handed conceits to commercial interest, is a phenomenal film. M'Baku vs. Shuri - second best arm lock in movie history.
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Post by Merv on Nov 27, 2022 23:48:51 GMT 1
Okay… Having seen this film on a standard screen, I noticed the issues with darkness many fans reported at their screening. There was heavy vignetting in the corners and a dark cast over the screen during some scenes set at night. It's bizarre; none of these issues were present on the IMAX version. I hope it gets resolved before the digital release. Wakanda Forever, minus its sometimes heavy-handed conceits to commercial interest, is a phenomenal film. M'Baku vs. Shuri - second best arm lock in movie history. Well now I’m always going to hear “Shuri…you son of a birch!” right before they lock arms
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Post by Merv on Nov 27, 2022 23:59:04 GMT 1
I must admit I never thought I’d outlast you as a fan! Personally, I still can’t get enough of this stuff. God speed, Archie Stimpton. It’s been a hell of a ride. I burn pretty hot as a fan. I’m currently obsessed over UEFA and Walkabout mini golf and there have been a lot of things from NFL, to Final Fantasy, to WWF, to Lord of the Rings, that have had their day at the top of my fandoms. A certain intensity has to be there to keep feeding me. It’s a hard feeling to describe but I’ve let all of them go almost over night when the time came. That being said, I may very well be back to full burn on this. Just being honest with myself. Probably best to let it be until it catches your eye again. I went like 10 years without a donut and then I took my Pap shopping and he bought some good looking fresh made ones and all I wanted once a day for the next year was a good fresh donut.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 28, 2022 0:29:34 GMT 1
Nate Moore is starting to get under my skin. His recent display of open disdain for comic books, which he cooly refers to as "publishing," and his preference for screenwriters who are "out of the [comic book] culture" is somewhat troubling.
I'll concede that his work with Marvel Studios is exceptional and that he's added new layers and depth to many of the characters from the comic books.
Still, he should not believe, even for a moment, that he is not profoundly indebted to the source material. He sounds dismissive and almost disdainful…
I find his lack of faith disturbing.
On Namor rights…
On writers "in the culture" of comic books…
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Post by Merv on Nov 28, 2022 0:46:56 GMT 1
Nate Moore is starting to get under my skin. His recent display of open disdain for comic books, which he cooly refers to as "publishing," and his preference for screenwriters who are "out of the [comic book] culture" is somewhat troubling. I'll concede that his work with Marvel Studios is exceptional and that he's added new layers and depth to many of the characters from the comic books. Still, he should not believe, even for a moment, that he is not profoundly indebted to the source material. He sounds dismissive and almost disdainful… I find his lack of faith disturbing. On Namor rights… On writers "in the culture" of comic books… It doesn't surprise me to find out that some key people behind the scenes are actually embarrassed by the source material. That vibe creeps through the scenes occasionally. It's one of the things that annoys me most lately because its happened so often...stuff like laughing at characters names or referencing some obvious comic book component that they haven't included as a dumb idea. I don't dislike the idea of having someone in the room who isn't a die hard fan of the source material because they aren't trying to appeal to only die hards...but at the same time someone coming in saying theyve been a fan of "Squirrel Girl" since her first appearance and would love to write a "Squirrel Girl" script shouldn't be outright dismissed because they are bringing passion to the project.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 28, 2022 1:10:38 GMT 1
Nate Moore is starting to get under my skin. His recent display of open disdain for comic books, which he cooly refers to as "publishing," and his preference for screenwriters who are "out of the [comic book] culture" is somewhat troubling. I'll concede that his work with Marvel Studios is exceptional and that he's added new layers and depth to many of the characters from the comic books. Still, he should not believe, even for a moment, that he is not profoundly indebted to the source material. He sounds dismissive and almost disdainful… I find his lack of faith disturbing. On Namor rights… On writers "in the culture" of comic books… It doesn't surprise me to find out that some key people behind the scenes are actually embarrassed by the source material. That vibe creeps through the scenes occasionally. It's one of the things that annoys me most lately because its happened so often...stuff like laughing at characters names or referencing some obvious comic book component that they haven't included as a dumb idea. I don't dislike the idea of having someone in the room who isn't a die hard fan of the source material because they aren't trying to appeal to only die hards...but at the same time someone coming in saying theyve been a fan of "Squirrel Girl" since her first appearance and would love to write a "Squirrel Girl" script shouldn't be outright dismissed because they are bringing passion to the project. I agree with everything you've said. And you're right, he is embarrassed, and his shame manifests as contempt. I should have recognized that sooner. Perhaps he saw himself doing something more profound with his career or whatever. I don't care how far he wants to stick his head up his own ass so long as it doesn't come at the marginalization of the medium and, by extension, creators in general. If the day comes that Marvel Studios ever thinks it has surpassed the achievements of its "publishing" ancestor - there will be hell to pay.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 28, 2022 5:54:32 GMT 1
Wake up, Disney. Time to make the donuts.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2022 13:54:23 GMT 1
,,, are a bashenga series??? Because that would be a fire use of Disney plus.
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 3, 2022 14:08:38 GMT 1
Just saw it for the second time. It is truly excellent. Ryan Coogler did the impossible.
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Post by AQUA EDGE! on Dec 3, 2022 22:35:54 GMT 1
I can’t honestly comment on it. I fear I’ve lost my interest, and I’m not sure if it’s coming back. :-( There's nothing to fear. When you hear yourself saying things like that, it's likely time to move on. This one was a make-or-break outing for a lot of fans. And, truth be told, it didn't make the grade for most. Fourteen years is a lot to give to anything. Most marriages don't even last that long. The only tragedy in it is sticking around until your disinterest becomes hatred. Haters become ghosts; they haunt fandom hangouts, "keepin' it one-huned," always talking about how the thing would have been so much better if they did this instead of that… And how tired they are of this or that… And I always say to myself, "man, do you eat the unpopped kernels at the bottom of a bag of microwave popcorn, too?" You can't make a meal out of that. You dig? Sometimes you lose it, and it just doesn't come back. I'm heading out to see Wakanda Forever for the second time today. I'm not going because it was a perfect movie or to line Disney execs' pockets with more vibranium. I'm not going to disprove haters or reaffirm the sycophants. I'm going because these stories and characters have been a near lifelong pursuit. They are a source of endless creativity and imagination for me - which, I suspect, is the only real freedom anyone truly has left.
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Post by AQUA EDGE! on Dec 3, 2022 22:49:53 GMT 1
This is just to big of a situation for me to fit what I have to say in this format. I will add a video in a minute if I can figure out how lol, and explain my thoughts on everything I have heard in here and Wakanda Forever. Arch just don't ever forget that all the MCU doing the shows shows together, etc, I just see at as a vehicle that allows to engage each other as friends since we don't live right next door to each other. We ARE FRIENDS, regardless of the MCU or Wakanda Forever, fucking Wakanda Forever didn't change the fact that I care about you personally and all the champions personally, and I'm sure anybody on sakaar if I just met them lol. Plus you can always cover fucking Willow with me and Cyber brother ( hahahahahaha) believe me it's got shit show potential I promise!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 10, 2022 6:02:57 GMT 1
Just to be clear it’s not Panther or the MCU. I run in cycles of interests. I used to be a massive NFL fan for instance. Could name most linemen in be league 15 years ago. I haven’t watched a game in 5 years now. Ive owned a ton of game systems in my life and PS5 I’m sure is great but it’s just not my thing anymore and I’ll never get one. The MCU is still a love of mine. Nothing was a great cinematic experience. And maybe I’m just suffering from a lull I’ll get over. It’s possible. Maybe the content is responsible. IDK. I still think they’re making good content. But I’ve been feeling more and more disconnected for awhile now. I feel it’s time to admit it might be me. I must admit I never thought I’d outlast you as a fan! Personally, I still can’t get enough of this stuff. God speed, Archie Stimpton. It’s been a hell of a ride.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2022 3:54:16 GMT 1
I must admit I never thought I’d outlast you as a fan! Personally, I still can’t get enough of this stuff. God speed, Archie Stimpton. It’s been a hell of a ride. Im a beer snob. And that’s the swill you toast with? Lol ;-)
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Post by Merv on Dec 13, 2022 13:51:46 GMT 1
Im a beer snob. And that’s the swill you toast with? Lol ;-) Swill? That's the good stuff. Hint of carmel, oaky afterbirth...it's the stuff dreams are made of. I just drank 3 of them a few weeks back for a 'hood' movie night. No ragrets.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2022 14:19:26 GMT 1
Im a beer snob. And that’s the swill you toast with? Lol ;-) Swill? That's the good stuff. Hint of carmel, oaky afterbirth...it's the stuff dreams are made of. I just drank 3 of them a few weeks back for a 'hood' movie night. No ragrets. Its liquid corn bro lol
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