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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 20:28:52 GMT 1
Give Namor the winged feet!$##!!!! Oh wait...
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 3, 2022 23:18:38 GMT 1
Will she make people go "Tony Who?" No, she'll just remind people how much they miss Tony. Not me.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 4, 2022 16:39:37 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 20:50:57 GMT 1
Black Panther 2 Could Set Up MCU’s Fantastic 4 Movie In 3 Major Ways link
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 0:37:56 GMT 1
Well if it's the Hollywood Reporter now, there's a good chance this is happening. Booya! ‘Wakanda Forever’ Leaves Door Open for a Classic Villain
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 9, 2022 14:32:24 GMT 1
Well if it's the Hollywood Reporter now, there's a good chance this is happening. Booya! ‘Wakanda Forever’ Leaves Door Open for a Classic Villain
linkIt'd be quite the reveal if that turns out to be the case.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 11, 2022 14:40:59 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 13, 2022 18:37:44 GMT 1
So there is a timejump in the movie. From Ryan Coogler:
“Ramonda realizes that it’s been a year since T’Challa’s passing and Shuri’s still not healing—she’s not taking steps to move forward in a healthy way. They take a retreat—stepping away from the city, from the technology—to sit with no distractions and perform what is essentially a grief ritual. That’s when Namor shows up.”
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 18, 2022 22:36:35 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 20, 2022 0:02:40 GMT 1
During a recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Nyong'o responded to the growing recast T'Challa movement. The Wakanda Forever star supports Marvel's decision to not recast the character and points out that while the sequel will lay T'Challa to rest, that does not spell the end of the Black Panther. Read what Nyong'o said below: "...That is not the death of the Black Panther, that’s the whole point. It’s laying to rest [T’Challa] and allowing for real life to inform the story of the movies. I know that there are all sorts of reasons why people want him to be recast, but I don’t have the patience. I don’t have the presence of mind, or I don’t have the objectivity to argue with that. I don’t. I’m very biased." screenrant.com/black-panther-2-tchalla-recast-lupita-nyongo-response/
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 20, 2022 9:34:42 GMT 1
Black Panther wasnt important because of Black Panther. It was important because of T'Challa amd what he represented.
Marvel makes a crucial mistake here. I have no doubt Wakanda Forever will be a good movie. How could it not be with such talent attached to it. But it will fail nonetheless.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 20, 2022 16:41:40 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Oct 20, 2022 19:13:41 GMT 1
I think the MCU could use a financially moderate but universally loved film in their books at this point. Feels like its been a while since the MCU fans all agreed something was good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 19:57:37 GMT 1
During a recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Nyong'o responded to the growing recast T'Challa movement. The Wakanda Forever star supports Marvel's decision to not recast the character and points out that while the sequel will lay T'Challa to rest, that does not spell the end of the Black Panther. Read what Nyong'o said below: "...That is not the death of the Black Panther, that’s the whole point. It’s laying to rest [T’Challa] and allowing for real life to inform the story of the movies. I know that there are all sorts of reasons why people want him to be recast, but I don’t have the patience. I don’t have the presence of mind, or I don’t have the objectivity to argue with that. I don’t. I’m very biased." screenrant.com/black-panther-2-tchalla-recast-lupita-nyongo-response/I honestly dont get it. Let's be real here. Boseman is just an actor. People need to get over this. He's not Martin Luther King Jr or anything like that. The world has become so sensitive, it's just so cringey
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 21, 2022 8:06:45 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 27, 2022 15:14:34 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 27, 2022 15:26:03 GMT 1
Sounds like they did the impossible.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 27, 2022 16:00:08 GMT 1
Sounds like they did the impossible. Let's hope so.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 27, 2022 20:29:40 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 27, 2022 20:56:14 GMT 1
He wasn't all that hot on the original IIRC. Lots of back-handed compliments in his review. I'm sure some of his points may have merit though, we'll see.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Oct 27, 2022 22:17:38 GMT 1
He wasn't all that hot on the original IIRC. Lots of back-handed compliments in his review. I'm sure some of his points may have merit though, we'll see. I wonder if these reviews are intended for MCU fans.
Michael B Jordan doing a great Jeffrey Katzenberg. What? I looked him up and it makes even less sense now that I know who he is. Who's the audience for these alleged zingers?
I maintain my preference for not recasting T'Challa. It just makes too much sense from where I'm sitting to use his death as an in-universe plot-point. Lupita Nyongo said it in the thread. It's using real life to inform the circumstances of the movie. To me, presents a million opportunities to pass the mantle and use the passing of the mantle as a story line; I also think it deepens the stakes for T'Challa to have died. Stakes raise when heroes die, and it's fodder for a later villain. Someone in the new Captain America movie could have Bucky on the ropes in a fight and say "don't worry, I'll make your death quick and painless, unlike your friend T'Challa!".
However it happens, I honestly think not recasting Boseman is the path of less resistance.
The new Antman trailer looks good too. That has pre-phase 4 MCU optimism written all over it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 28, 2022 0:36:10 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! I've debated this a lot in many different places on the internet, and after a lot of soul-searching, I came to the following conclusion. Either direction would have been valid creatively. The decision not to recast T'Challa was driven by cultural mores just as much as commercial ones. Since Wakanda Forever was primarily helmed and populated by people of color, that influenced how the filmmakers decided to proceed creatively. At the risk of being presumptuous, I believe the filmmakers were more inclined to incorporate their pain into their art because people of color choose to express grieving and sorrow in ways that differ from western cultures. Their articulation of grief is far less reserved, compartmentalized, and constrained (although no less framed by tradition and ritual). As seen through a more mainstream cultural lens, the decision not to recast must seem selfish and incomprehensible because of the separation of commerce, creative endeavors, and personal loss typical of western cultures. Other cultures don't have strict (and some might say artificial) barriers around those concepts. Incorporating real-life tragedy into art is a valid form of self-expression for many cultures. I'm not saying black and brown communities somehow have complete ownership of Black Panther or T'Challa. The character was created by a white Jewish male who, I assume, tried his best to create a dignified portrayal of an African superhero. All that said, people of color have a vested interest in the character - especially this particular iteration of the character. They were given the power to decide the character's fate and chose not to recast. That decision is valid - even if we happen to disagree with it. Had this film been directed by Peyton Reed or Zack Snyder, I'm sure both men would have promptly recast the part and placed a tasteful "In memory of…" title card at the end of the film set to some solemn music. That would have also been a valid creative choice which would have been plagued by its own criticisms and drawbacks. Coogler does have to live with the idea that his choice could easily be seen as emotionally manipulative and exploitative. But a recasting doesn't present an instantly easy or correct answer either. Recasting could have been seen as a cold and superficial way to handle a franchise that achieved the status of a cultural phenomenon due to the hard work and agency of people of color. This isn't an issue with easy answers, and I wish people could recognize the nuanced nature of the discussion and try to be more sensitive and tolerant. There will be other chances to reinterpret the Black Panther mythos - in our lifetime, no less - and T'Challa will return. The Ant-Man trailer looks like a lot of fun. It will have many Marvel-themed shenanigans, which I am not completely tired of yet. The trailer demonstrates that they've appropriately raised the stakes to third-installment insanity. I look forward to the pure spectacle of it all, just like I did with Black Adam. Kang is the time-traveling cherry on top. If he uses the Quantum Realm to build his sub-atomic army, I will die and come back to life to say, "that's awesome!" Mendelson is great at box-office analysis, but he missed a few of his film aesthetics and criticism courses. I am still looking for a film commentator who can seamlessly switch between a film's creative and business aspects. Dan Murrell comes to mind, but almost everyone else fails at it miserably.
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Post by Merv on Oct 28, 2022 6:45:15 GMT 1
He wasn't all that hot on the original IIRC. Lots of back-handed compliments in his review. I'm sure some of his points may have merit though, we'll see. I wonder if these reviews are intended for MCU fans.
Michael B Jordan doing a great Jeffrey Katzenberg. What? I looked him up and it makes even less sense now that I know who he is. Who's the audience for these alleged zingers?
I maintain my preference for not recasting T'Challa. It just makes too much sense from where I'm sitting to use his death as an in-universe plot-point. Lupita Nyongo said it in the thread. It's using real life to inform the circumstances of the movie. To me, presents a million opportunities to pass the mantle and use the passing of the mantle as a story line; I also think it deepens the stakes for T'Challa to have died. Stakes raise when heroes die, and it's fodder for a later villain. Someone in the new Captain America movie could have Bucky on the ropes in a fight and say "don't worry, I'll make your death quick and painless, unlike your friend T'Challa!".
However it happens, I honestly think not recasting Boseman is the path of less resistance.
The new Antman trailer looks good too. That has pre-phase 4 MCU optimism written all over it. I wasn’t strongly opinionated either way regarding a recast but I was slightly on the side of not recasting. So the decision doesn’t bother me at all.
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 29, 2022 8:23:24 GMT 1
Supes wasnt to keen on BPWF either
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Oct 30, 2022 23:28:47 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! I've debated this a lot in many different places on the internet, and after a lot of soul-searching, I came to the following conclusion. Either direction would have been valid creatively. The decision not to recast T'Challa was driven by cultural mores just as much as commercial ones. Since Wakanda Forever was primarily helmed and populated by people of color, that influenced how the filmmakers decided to proceed creatively. At the risk of being presumptuous, I believe the filmmakers were more inclined to incorporate their pain into their art because people of color choose to express grieving and sorrow in ways that differ from western cultures. Their articulation of grief is far less reserved, compartmentalized, and constrained (although no less framed by tradition and ritual). As seen through a more mainstream cultural lens, the decision not to recast must seem selfish and incomprehensible because of the separation of commerce, creative endeavors, and personal loss typical of western cultures. Other cultures don't have strict (and some might say artificial) barriers around those concepts. Incorporating real-life tragedy into art is a valid form of self-expression for many cultures. I'm not saying black and brown communities somehow have complete ownership of Black Panther or T'Challa. The character was created by a white Jewish male who, I assume, tried his best to create a dignified portrayal of an African superhero. All that said, people of color have a vested interest in the character - especially this particular iteration of the character. They were given the power to decide the character's fate and chose not to recast. That decision is valid - even if we happen to disagree with it. Had this film been directed by Peyton Reed or Zack Snyder, I'm sure both men would have promptly recast the part and placed a tasteful "In memory of…" title card at the end of the film set to some solemn music. That would have also been a valid creative choice which would have been plagued by its own criticisms and drawbacks. Coogler does have to live with the idea that his choice could easily be seen as emotionally manipulative and exploitative. But a recasting doesn't present an instantly easy or correct answer either. Recasting could have been seen as a cold and superficial way to handle a franchise that achieved the status of a cultural phenomenon due to the hard work and agency of people of color. This isn't an issue with easy answers, and I wish people could recognize the nuanced nature of the discussion and try to be more sensitive and tolerant. There will be other chances to reinterpret the Black Panther mythos - in our lifetime, no less - and T'Challa will return. The Ant-Man trailer looks like a lot of fun. It will have many Marvel-themed shenanigans, which I am not completely tired of yet. The trailer demonstrates that they've appropriately raised the stakes to third-installment insanity. I look forward to the pure spectacle of it all, just like I did with Black Adam. Kang is the time-traveling cherry on top. If he uses the Quantum Realm to build his sub-atomic army, I will die and come back to life to say, "that's awesome!" Mendelson is great at box-office analysis, but he missed a few of his film aesthetics and criticism courses. I am still looking for a film commentator who can seamlessly switch between a film's creative and business aspects. Dan Murrell comes to mind, but almost everyone else fails at it miserably. I must hand it to you that is mucho well said. Very mucho.
Black Adam will probably happen next Saturday if I have the enthusiasm. To watch the Sakaar review I guess I'll have to, but I'm looking forward to both WF and AQ. I only follow one critic on Youtube, and sparingly at that. In fact she and I share so much of a brain that sometimes I go for a while without watching her just to make sure my thoughts were mine first. I discovered her when I was casually looking for anything to do with Onibaba (1964).
A roommate used to watch moviebob. I think that's it. Her (Deep Focus Lens, whose real name I've never picked up because I don't watch the FAQ videos) and moviebob, and he is fine but I can only handle him in tiny doses. I'm never really much for film criticism because I hate to think people's minds are being made up by the authority of another. When I watch film criticisms, I'm either grading for accuracy or waiting to hear parts of my own inner monologue read out. I'm slightly kidding about that, but I do think at its peak it's like discussing any book or painting, and really fascinating stuff can come from it. The business angle is cool but not my favourite, although I am interested in what certain box office trends say about society. I largely subscribe to the art is a mirror society. Certain trends can be picked out by box office.
For a while and still, I'd been thinking superhero movies replace a lot of anxieties with catharsis with big existential problems that bank heists and cops and robbers don't solve anymore. It's not good enough for the bad guy to be arrested at the end of a movie. Fans want to see them thrown through a skyscraper or punched so hard they land in another dimension. Society reflects that. Over the last decade, opinions in some circles about police have gone down, and it shows in movies. There's a lot less cop movies now. I think superhero movies aren't just the new westerns, but also the new cop movies, and to an extent, the new law and order movies. I also think they're movies that take place in comic-book and science fiction land, and is therefore uniquely situated for a lot of representation. Superhero movies have been, in my opinion, rewriting and rebranding physical differences and disabilities for years into the qualities that make people shine. And they've been holding a mirror to the people we might wish to be if we had those powers.
I think Alan Moore is... not completely wrong, but mostly wrong. I was going to put this in that thread, but schplah. I think and hope that fantasy and science fiction are the genres through which possibilities are explored with representation, and I've always thought of art as a vaccine to fascism. Power and control come from people who stay at the top doing whatever it takes to stay there, and representation is a key through which the top plateaus. The more people see themselves there in film and media, the more people will believe it's possible to get there, and try. It all starts with seeing yourself there, and sci-fiction and superhero movies are movies where that's easier to make happen.
But yeah I want to watch Ant-Man too. Pleased to see Kang. He impressed me in like the 5 minutes he was in Loki, and I thought he did a really good job in The Last Black Man in San Fransisco. I want to see the new Ant-Man.
edit: oh yeah, and Black Panther.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Oct 31, 2022 0:27:11 GMT 1
I wonder if these reviews are intended for MCU fans.
Michael B Jordan doing a great Jeffrey Katzenberg. What? I looked him up and it makes even less sense now that I know who he is. Who's the audience for these alleged zingers?
I maintain my preference for not recasting T'Challa. It just makes too much sense from where I'm sitting to use his death as an in-universe plot-point. Lupita Nyongo said it in the thread. It's using real life to inform the circumstances of the movie. To me, presents a million opportunities to pass the mantle and use the passing of the mantle as a story line; I also think it deepens the stakes for T'Challa to have died. Stakes raise when heroes die, and it's fodder for a later villain. Someone in the new Captain America movie could have Bucky on the ropes in a fight and say "don't worry, I'll make your death quick and painless, unlike your friend T'Challa!".
However it happens, I honestly think not recasting Boseman is the path of less resistance.
The new Antman trailer looks good too. That has pre-phase 4 MCU optimism written all over it. I wasn’t strongly opinionated either way regarding a recast but I was slightly on the side of not recasting. So the decision doesn’t bother me at all. It depends on the situation. I tend to lean against because it can get kinda sticky. Sometimes I welcome it if I think the results will be greatly improved. I like Katie Holmes, but Maggie Gyllenhaal did things as Rachel Dawes in The Dark Knight that I don't think Katie Holmes can do. But it would be pretty strange if someone other than RDJ showed up as Iron Man in say, Civil War or Infinity War. The camera dude from Iron Man 3 modeled his whole look after Stark and has a tattoo of him on his arm; he would notice if Iron Man was suddenly no longer RDJ. The camera guy dude would be like oh no my tattoo .
The MCU set itself up though that it can essentially recast anybody and write it off as multiverse. I'm of the belief since Doctor Strange 2 and until I hear otherwise that the multiverse is so big that soon, you'll run into universes where you were the combination of different parents, and you can start to look like any actor. Black Panther specifically is a title and a mantle so it can be recast until the cows come home. Even the little sister or M'Baku or someone in the world already can be it.
Honestly the last time I watched the trailer was when it dropped here like months ago, but I remembered that it looked solid. It gave me a similar sort of enthusiasm the first (really first) Wonder Woman trailer gave me. That trailer I thought was lit. The Ant-Man trailer looks pretty dope too. Like LDM said, it's third phase stakes/insanity enmeshed in it.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Nov 2, 2022 0:43:53 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Nov 6, 2022 20:11:01 GMT 1
"I don’t know if it’s a possibility," Jordan said in an interview with ExtraTV. "I mean, at one point or another, being able to be in the Marvel Universe was like a dream come true and if there was an opportunity for me to come back, of course I would. I’m not one of those guys like 'oh no, I would never.' Working with [director Ryan Coogler], what we did on that first project and what Marvel does as a whole is something that, as a fan, as a nerd and geek that I am, I just love to see those movies and those characters come to life." www.cbr.com/erik-killmonger-michael-b-jordan-return-multiverse-black-panther/
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 7, 2022 12:36:46 GMT 1
I hope Marvel gets this right and stop tying themselves up in knots like the fan speculations in these posts. I get tired of the drama that is increasingly a culture struggle over the characters, actors, directors, and so-called virtue signaling. I just want to see a good movie. But anymore fiascos like Thor Four or She-Hulk, which I partially blame on the fandom with their internet Sturm und Drang, and Marvel can kiss fans like me goodbye. The market is over saturated as it is and I don’t need something else that brings me down rather than lending a bit of joy for a few hours.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 8, 2022 19:35:37 GMT 1
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