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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 3, 2020 18:04:48 GMT 1
I totally agree. This is exactly what I think too. And despite news reports of promising vaccins I still fear it will be end of 2021 earliest before its available. Lots of businesses will not survive. Among them theaters and movie studios. There will come a moment when mankind will realise its society has to fundamentally change to secure the survival of that society. The world we knew is gone Hold, I just want to be clear that this is not a disease that in any way threatens the survival humanity. Unless there's some high mortality mutation coming. I didnt say it threatens humanity. I said it has changed the world as we know it. Some of this time period will rub off n people in every day life.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2020 18:29:32 GMT 1
Hold, I just want to be clear that this is not a disease that in any way threatens the survival humanity. Unless there's some high mortality mutation coming. Related question - is there any credible existential threat to human existence in your eyes? Or, we will just go on as a species indefinitely? Oh that would be silly to think we’re invulnerable. We’re extremely vulnerable. The universe is an unforgiving gauntlet of power we can barely understand. A lot of times we take for granted now days that it’s been hard work for society to climb down from the trees and build a relatively stable and safe society for most people, but there’s clearly work to do. Disease is something we’ve remarkably been able to bring under control, from polio, to small pox, and even aids, but diseases are what worry me most. We could always get hit with a literal Earth shattering meteor but could we overcome some all encompassing bacteria? IDK. But COVID doesn’t seem to be an extinction threat unless there’s some mutation coming that turns it into one. And I’ve underestimated it so far, sooooooo hopefully not? Fingers crossed. But yeah for as advanced as we’ve become we’re still vulnerable for sure. The reason I think the Space X Mars mission is so key is precisely for this reason. Colonizing another planet massively increases our odds of longevity.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2020 18:32:44 GMT 1
Hold, I just want to be clear that this is not a disease that in any way threatens the survival humanity. Unless there's some high mortality mutation coming. I didnt say it threatens humanity. I said it has changed the world as we know it. Some of this time period will rub off n people in every day life. Oh I know, I was just being clear. Sorry if that came off weird
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 5, 2020 22:09:59 GMT 1
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think the Mulan release on Video On Demand is a tester film for how these releases can work, and believe they're going to adjust and push other films including Black Widow to VOD. And there are a few reasons.
1 - They had to do work to get Disney + set up for VOD. I suspect that's not something they'll just use once. 2 - Mulan is a perfect test candidate. It's not a small movie, but it's massive either. A $90 million budget, but less than a $120-$150 super hero film. 3 - I haven't seen anybody talking about this, but VOD allows them to keep virtually 100% of the revenue generated, which means if Mulan scores only $100m in sales, they're already in the black, whereas a theater release and they'd have to get to $250 or so. 4 - Releasing a few films VOD, will allow them to keep their schedule. If you keep pushing Black Widow back, then everything else has to move back as well, but it frees up breathing room to do a film or two on VOD.
I was in the "let's just wait" camp, but I'm feeling like the time is coming where everybody is going to have to bite the bullet on this one, and release these things in whatever way they can to keep the ball rolling and keep some revenue coming in.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 5, 2020 22:23:39 GMT 1
30 buck to rent a movie in addition to the monthly subscription... Its a lot.
Mulan will be released in theaters in my country and I will see it there but I cant imagine people paying that much for a movie they can watch for only the monthly fee a few months later.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2020 0:18:20 GMT 1
30 buck to rent a movie in addition to the monthly subscription... Its a lot. Mulan will be released in theaters in my country and I will see it there but I cant imagine people paying that much for a movie they can watch for only the monthly fee a few months later. Maybe they'll encourage people to use a free trial to check out the service and pay to rent Mulan and/or introduce a package deal where if you sign up, you get Mulan included. I really don't think $30 is unreasonable considering they're expecting more than one person to be watching, but a lot of people seem to think it's too much. Personally I think they have to charge more than a single ticket price, so IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:39:24 GMT 1
30 buck to rent a movie in addition to the monthly subscription... Its a lot. Mulan will be released in theaters in my country and I will see it there but I cant imagine people paying that much for a movie they can watch for only the monthly fee a few months later. Well, people still buy dvds a few months later and still see the movie in cinemas
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:42:06 GMT 1
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think the Mulan release on Video On Demand is a tester film for how these releases can work, and believe they're going to adjust and push other films including Black Widow to VOD. And there are a few reasons. 1 - They had to do work to get Disney + set up for VOD. I suspect that's not something they'll just use once. 2 - Mulan is a perfect test candidate. It's not a small movie, but it's massive either. A $90 million budget, but less than a $120-$150 super hero film. 3 - I haven't seen anybody talking about this, but VOD allows them to keep virtually 100% of the revenue generated, which means if Mulan scores only $100m in sales, they're already in the black, whereas a theater release and they'd have to get to $250 or so. 4 - Releasing a few films VOD, will allow them to keep their schedule. If you keep pushing Black Widow back, then everything else has to move back as well, but it frees up breathing room to do a film or two on VOD. I was in the "let's just wait" camp, but I'm feeling like the time is coming where everybody is going to have to bite the bullet on this one, and release these things in whatever way they can to keep the ball rolling and keep some revenue coming in. Yeah you cant just keep delaying. Some money is better than no money. I say combo of VOD and limited release?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:51:27 GMT 1
It will also be interesting to see the future of hollywood in China for obvious reasons
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 4:33:00 GMT 1
As long as they release it on blu ray. I'll just wait and buy it for ten dollars less and, you know, actually own the god damn thing. I find it absolutely mind boggling that someone would rent a movie for 30$. That's beyond ridiculous.
And if by chance they never release it on disc? Then fuck this movie and any other straight to streaming release. It won't be canon to me.
Sorry for the profanity. This just really pisses me off.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2020 10:49:09 GMT 1
As long as they release it on blu ray. I'll just wait and buy it for ten dollars less and, you know, actually own the god damn thing. I find it absolutely mind boggling that someone would rent a movie for 30$. That's beyond ridiculous. And if by chance they never release it on disc? Then fuck this movie and any other straight to streaming release. It won't be canon to me. Sorry for the profanity. This just really pisses me off. i get that sort of, but if they rented it for let’s say $10, or just sold DVDs, they’d be losing the entirety of the box office revenue. The $30 is only mean to be what you would pay to see it in theater. Without it, they lose millions so I don’t think it’s unfair
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 18:08:35 GMT 1
As long as they release it on blu ray. I'll just wait and buy it for ten dollars less and, you know, actually own the god damn thing. I find it absolutely mind boggling that someone would rent a movie for 30$. That's beyond ridiculous. And if by chance they never release it on disc? Then fuck this movie and any other straight to streaming release. It won't be canon to me. Sorry for the profanity. This just really pisses me off. i get that sort of, but if they rented it for let’s say $10, or just sold DVDs, they’d be losing the entirety of the box office revenue. The $30 is only mean to be what you would pay to see it in theater. Without it, they lose millions so I don’t think it’s unfair They could also just wait until spring and put it in the the theater. They're not filming movies right now so what are they gonna release next blockbuster season?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2020 18:40:09 GMT 1
i get that sort of, but if they rented it for let’s say $10, or just sold DVDs, they’d be losing the entirety of the box office revenue. The $30 is only mean to be what you would pay to see it in theater. Without it, they lose millions so I don’t think it’s unfair They could also just wait until spring and put it in the the theater. They're not filming movies right now so what are they gonna release next blockbuster season? good point. Well I Shang chi is about to get going but I don’t think they have time to get that out. I’m going to stop guessing lol
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 14, 2020 20:28:30 GMT 1
This doesn't take into account marketing costs.
To break even on their production costs, a scant 3.3 million of Disney+'s over 50 million subscribers have to pay for the film. This is more than doable. The paradigm shift is seismic in more ways than one. Their end game is no longer about recouping their costs and paying their partners. Mulan will be a vehicle to add new Disney+ subscribers.
This could effectively put an end to Hollywood's bizarre and mysterious accounting practices. It would be easier to determine if a film was successful, there would be fewer third-party hands in your pocket as a studio (if any), and you'd still have the option to show the film in theaters after the VOD release.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2020 23:34:29 GMT 1
This doesn't take into account marketing costs. To break even on their production costs, a scant 3.3 million of Disney+'s over 50 million subscribers have to pay for the film. This is more than doable. The paradigm shift is seismic in more ways than one. Their end game is no longer about recouping their costs and paying their partners. Mulan will be a vehicle to add new Disney+ subscribers. This could effectively put an end to Hollywood's bizarre and mysterious accounting practices. It would be easier to determine if a film was successful, there would be fewer third-party hands in your pocket as a studio (if any), and you'd still have the option to show the film in theaters after the VOD release. Im almost surprised they haven’t included Mulan as incentive to sign up for the service. As in you get it included if you sign up between now and release day or something.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 15, 2020 7:46:06 GMT 1
As long as they release it on blu ray. I'll just wait and buy it for ten dollars less and, you know, actually own the god damn thing. I find it absolutely mind boggling that someone would rent a movie for 30$. That's beyond ridiculous. And if by chance they never release it on disc? Then fuck this movie and any other straight to streaming release. It won't be canon to me. Sorry for the profanity. This just really pisses me off. Well they have been announcing the death of hard copy digital media for a while now. I dobt like that at all but I must admitt that I stopped buying movies that are not part of a series I already own myself. Whats the point when I can see it on streaming. I know In killing my own joy but I can spend my euro only one time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 18:00:35 GMT 1
As long as they release it on blu ray. I'll just wait and buy it for ten dollars less and, you know, actually own the god damn thing. I find it absolutely mind boggling that someone would rent a movie for 30$. That's beyond ridiculous. And if by chance they never release it on disc? Then fuck this movie and any other straight to streaming release. It won't be canon to me. Sorry for the profanity. This just really pisses me off. Well they have been announcing the death of hard copy digital media for a while now. I dobt like that at all but I must admitt that I stopped buying movies that are not part of a series I already own myself. Whats the point when I can see it on streaming. I know In killing my own joy but I can spend my euro only one time. The topic of the death of physical media depresses me. I will just say that it's holding on longer and stronger than many predicted. For reasons why you should continue to buy I would list a few: 1) I would rather own the discs than pay to rent them. A DVD is mine for 10-20 bucks. Why pay ten bucks a month to perpetually rent it? 2) To have access to everything I own I would have to subscribe to every service there is. And that list is growing. Netflix, Disney, Hulu, Amazon, HBO, Peacock? 50+ dollars a month to stream?! No way. 3) These services remove things all the time. Series disappear and the selection sucks to begin with. Disney removed the Michael Jackson episode from The Simpsons for example. And the X Files is currently available nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 18:45:18 GMT 1
This had better not go to Dizney streaming or I will scream.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 15, 2020 19:32:19 GMT 1
This had better not go to Dizney streaming or I will scream. I think it will be joined release. Theaters and Disney+ VIP access. That way people can choose how, when and where they watch it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 15, 2020 19:52:23 GMT 1
This had better not go to Dizney streaming or I will scream. I think it will be joined release. Theaters and Disney+ VIP access. That way people can choose how, when and where they watch it. Yeah, it would be foolish not to have learned anything from Tenet. A hybrid release is acceptable in my book. Even if I have to go in a full hazmat suit, I'm seeing Black Widow in theaters.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2020 4:27:16 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 18:20:31 GMT 1
Nooooo! They better not move Soul to Dizney Plus!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 18:22:17 GMT 1
This had better not go to Dizney streaming or I will scream. I think it will be joined release. Theaters and Disney+ VIP access. That way people can choose how, when and where they watch it. I disagree. That would just be hurting theaters. If people don't want to go, understandably, then they can wait three more months to rent it. Because that's what streaming essentially is: a rental service. What they should do is just delay these movies until it is safe. It's not like they're filming new ones for next year anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 18:23:26 GMT 1
And here's a larger point: If it's going to VOD then why not just release the DVD and blu Ray too? That way people like me can see it and own it instead of being forced to subscribe to a service we don't want.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 16, 2020 20:34:32 GMT 1
I think it will be joined release. Theaters and Disney+ VIP access. That way people can choose how, when and where they watch it. I disagree. That would just be hurting theaters. If people don't want to go, understandably, then they can wait three more months to rent it. Because that's what streaming essentially is: a rental service. What they should do is just delay these movies until it is safe. It's not like they're filming new ones for next year anyway. I think Marvel Studios needs to earn money. A joined release will increase their chance to break even on this movie. And it gives people choice. Untill now its pretty safe to go to the theater in my country. Likewise in many others. A reduced VIP access amount and a theater release at the same moment gives people options.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 16, 2020 20:37:15 GMT 1
And here's a larger point: If it's going to VOD then why not just release the DVD and blu Ray too? That way people like me can see it and own it instead of being forced to subscribe to a service we don't want. Precisely because of that streaming service they are not gonna release the DVD/BluRay right away. They would hurt themselves financially. I get your point and from idea pov I totally agree. But its a business. Money talks. And they want to get as much money out of this as possible.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2020 21:54:38 GMT 1
And here's a larger point: If it's going to VOD then why not just release the DVD and blu Ray too? That way people like me can see it and own it instead of being forced to subscribe to a service we don't want. Because VOD (and theatrical viewing for that matter) are rentals. DVD and Blu-ray represent ownership of a device/service-specific instance of the movie. You never really own anything other than cheap plastic when you purchase a movie. In both cases, you are buying the right to view/screen the movie, either temporarily or permanently. Your viewership is tied to a specific device or service. If either goes away, you have to repurchase those rights and the corresponding media all over again.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2020 21:59:07 GMT 1
Marvel Studios can afford to release Black Widow anywhere it sees fit without incurring a substantial financial hit based on their previous earnings. They could release it for free and still be in the black as a studio.
Disney, the parent corporation of Marvel Studios, can't afford to have any of its divisions take a big loss on anything right now. Disney earner properties are propping up the dogs right now.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 23, 2020 18:08:22 GMT 1
Delayed to May 2021
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