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Post by maximura on Jul 12, 2021 11:46:17 GMT 1
This worked great as the opening montage. I loved this film, I just had some rare dislikes mixed into it. Did Red Guardian fight Isaiah Bradley in 1984? Was that one of the times Cap went back to with an infinity stone return/pickup? I have a lot of watching to do, but that and the arrow holes are some of my favorite teaser ties from the film. It should be noted that the heroic escape with the kids at the film's outset was a Soviet spy family taking out a bunch of US federal agents for having the balls to chase them down for being a Soviet spy family. What was the survival rate at the prison? Did that guard tower have it coming? I mean, they had a mission, but that prison guard may have been a week away from retirement. How does the sister have a sense of humor after all the chemical control years? I loved her, and the family in general, but I'm not sure she makes thematic sense as presented, both as her and as the sister bickering dynamic when they skipped all the hostile teen girl years where that bickering back and forth stuff would have developed. The fights were intense, but they made Natasha superhuman in some of those beatings, not the least of which was an odd cutting choice which felt like the chute opened the instant she impacted the ground. I have an endless list of goods with the film, but an absence of MCU films wasn't enough to keep me from wondering about some of those choices. I'll need to rewatch it several times to get a feel for everything and maybe resolve some of those concerns. The opening montage will need a frame by frame.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 12:00:39 GMT 1
Sakaar Review for Black Widow Going to watch this soon, but I just wanted to thank everybody who has shown up to discuss these shows and films, or simply watched our discussions and commented. It’s always great to listen to everybody and it’s just been a lot of fun. You guys are all awesome!!!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 12, 2021 16:19:13 GMT 1
One word. {Spoiler}Fembots
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 16:51:35 GMT 1
One word. {Spoiler}Fembots Aint nothing wrong with that!!!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 17:44:35 GMT 1
Taylor alluded to this in the podcast review you guys should definitely check out. But the James Bond reference is one I took note of. During the scene Natasha is watching Moonraker, a film at the height of Roger Moore’s run, which features a detached villain controlling a group of selected people who he takes to a secret floating sky base not unlike the Red Room we saw in Black Widow. It should have been a major foreshadow for me, and it is, but I confess I didn’t catch on until later. Look familiar?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 17:48:57 GMT 1
Hyped for tomorrow. Finally another MCU movie. Those Disney+ shows are great but movies are what made the MCU the biggest, best and greatest franchise in the world. I felt this watching it. It felt oddly surreal being in theater watching a new film again and I almost didn’t know what to make of that for a minute. Comfy seats and a fun new film though = winning
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 12, 2021 17:50:36 GMT 1
Taylor alluded to this in the podcast review you guys should definitely check out. But the James Bond reference is one I took note of. During the scene Natasha is watching Moonraker, a film at the height of Roger Moore’s run, which features a detached villain controlling a group of selected people who he takes to a secret floating sky base not unlike the Red Room we saw in Black Widow. It should have been a major foreshadow for me, and it is, but I confess I didn’t catch on until later. Look familiar? View AttachmentDid you enjoy the review? It would have been awesome if you could have joined in.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 17:54:41 GMT 1
Taylor alluded to this in the podcast review you guys should definitely check out. But the James Bond reference is one I took note of. During the scene Natasha is watching Moonraker, a film at the height of Roger Moore’s run, which features a detached villain controlling a group of selected people who he takes to a secret floating sky base not unlike the Red Room we saw in Black Widow. It should have been a major foreshadow for me, and it is, but I confess I didn’t catch on until later. Look familiar? View AttachmentDid you enjoy the review? It would have been awesome if you could have joined in. definitely enjoying it and I have a few minutes left to go yet TBH. It’s actually super fun for me to see you guys get together because I just think back to our first chats and meeting all of you, and it’s just cool that you all are having a great time with it. Can’t wait to get back home, but I am a fan of the show always. Good stuff guys.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 12, 2021 20:51:53 GMT 1
For the record I’m down with the Taskmaster twist. Obviously not expected, but all I ever ask is that it strongly fits the story, and it does. Fought like a beast. Looked awesome. Can certainly come back in full effect. I dig it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 23:17:42 GMT 1
For the record I’m down with the Taskmaster twist. Obviously not expected, but all I ever ask is that it strongly fits the story, and it does. Fought like a beast. Looked awesome. Can certainly come back in full effect. I dig it. I always had a very strong feeling that Taskmaster would be a former Black Widow. Once I saw Rachel Weis in the cast I was certain it’d be her. (Hence our bet- which of course we both lost). Close but no cigar.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 13, 2021 0:56:27 GMT 1
The opening montage will need a frame by frame. After I came home from watching the movie I almost immediately sought out that^ song on YouTube. It's got to be one of my favourite movie montages in recent memory and certainly my favourite MCU opening credits sequence thus far. It was just so well put together and the perfect choice of song (I've listened to it multiple times). If you're wanting to do a frame by frame, you can already find the opening credits sequence on YouTube. For the record I’m down with the Taskmaster twist. Obviously not expected, but all I ever ask is that it strongly fits the story, and it does. Fought like a beast. Looked awesome. Can certainly come back in full effect. I dig it. I always had a very strong feeling that Taskmaster would be a former Black Widow. Once I saw Rachel Weis in the cast I was certain it’d be her. (Hence our bet- which of course we both lost). Close but no cigar. So that's what all your talk of a 'bet' has been about. I'd wondered if it was some sort of She's All That type of scenario where you were betting whether you could turn a nerd into Prom Queen. Still, that^ would've been better than a Cruel Intentions-style 'arrangement'.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 13, 2021 5:28:09 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 13, 2021 5:48:27 GMT 1
I was just thinking a little more about how this film realize does change my perception of Natasha on any future rewatched. We knew she had a deeply troubled past but can you even imagine never having a normal life. And that you have no choice but to cling to a 3 year sham of a life that you now know you were naive enough at the time to believe was real but it’s all you have. It offers questions about the nature of family, what values of your past matters what normalcy means and if it’s important. I believe we’re going to get Clints perspective on helping liberate Natasha coming up, so this story isn’t quite done yet but I won’t be able to watch the MCU in the same way again. And that’s a good thing.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 13, 2021 15:23:30 GMT 1
Has anyone seen Yelena's vest on sale anywhere?
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Post by maximura on Jul 13, 2021 15:49:07 GMT 1
Upon second viewing: I love the film. There are a few story elements which don't make complete sense from a human development standpoint and some of that walk it off stuff is superhuman, but aside from that it's pretty great. There are a ton of subtleties throughout the film. Taskmaster watching a Hawkeye battle before using the arrow skip into the gas tank during the tank chase, Clint on radio comms as the guy that blew the building on her approval, Natasha skewering the dude into bad decision making when he had all the power. Pretty solid all around which makes it about average in Marvel for me. I'll watch it several more times in the coming weeks I'm sure.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 13, 2021 23:13:40 GMT 1
I've seen the film multiple times at this point and I have to say it's now a top-ten MCU entry for me. Natasha is one of the MCU's most fully realized and complex characters. Even though the final box-office tally might not warrant it, Marvel Studios should seriously consider making more Black Widow prequels.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 14, 2021 0:06:28 GMT 1
I was thinking a little more about Taskmaster in the MCU. Marvel has several amalgamations at this point, Ego and the Gardener is probably my favorite, but giving Taskmaster a connected backstory to the Red Room just adds another layer of potential to who and what this character can be. IMO she can be all of the things the original was, but also more.
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Post by maximura on Jul 14, 2021 0:11:05 GMT 1
I was thinking a little more about Taskmaster in the MCU. Marvel has several amalgamations at this point, Ego and the Gardener is probably my favorite, but giving Taskmaster a connected backstory to the Red Room just adds another layer of potential to who and what this character can be. IMO she can be all of the things the original was, but also more. TM had a confidence and a swagger that came with knowing he was the subject matter expert on combat. When he was hired on, he was the master/sensei/sifu of entire forces and he did this for great profit all over the globe. The confidence that comes with that level of skill/accomplishment came through in the character's personality which was intentionally absent in this film. She's currently a blank slate except for knowing her powers, so the direction of the character will be intriguing.
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Post by Pants Off Dance Off on Jul 14, 2021 0:13:40 GMT 1
the little girl flew the plane? to cuba? found the correct airport? lined up the runway? and landed it?
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Post by maximura on Jul 14, 2021 0:17:38 GMT 1
the little girl flew the plane? to cuba? found the correct airport? lined up the runway? and landed it? May want to switch this to spoilers thread, but yeah, there were several just deal with it scenes from my perspective.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 14, 2021 0:49:48 GMT 1
the little girl flew the plane? to cuba? found the correct airport? lined up the runway? and landed it? Im pretty sure Red Guardian did it. He wasn’t on the wing the entire way.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 14, 2021 2:39:40 GMT 1
I've seen the film multiple times at this point and I have to say it's now a top-ten MCU entry for me. Natasha is one of the MCU's most fully realized and complex characters. Even though the final box-office tally might not warrant it, Marvel Studios should seriously consider making more Black Widow prequels. I have to agree. The more I think about this film, the more true character I find in it. This isn’t the spoiler thread so I’ll be careful but for people who have tragic childhoods, the idea of what you take away as important is fascinating to me. I mean I’m lucky, and I know it. I had great parents, I wasn’t super popular but I had a stable group of friends, I had resources, and access to popular attractions, grandparents who took their time to show me historical places in the country. I mean, I realize now that I’m older that I had a solid up bringing. And to look at a character like Natasha, who didnt, I feel how fragile all of that was. Maybe that sounds naive, but I get it, and I see how important those moments of light could be if the rest is suddenly all darkness. I feel this film and they did incredibly well making these characters real.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 14, 2021 3:51:43 GMT 1
the little girl flew the plane? to cuba? found the correct airport? lined up the runway? and landed it? Its safe to assume Alexei went into the plane and took over control.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 14, 2021 5:18:12 GMT 1
the little girl flew the plane? to cuba? found the correct airport? lined up the runway? and landed it? Its safe to assume Alexei went into the plane and took over control. This is all we have for a "legit" Black Widow plot hole? Man, it makes me long for the WW84 days where I was feasting on a veritable buffet of shit story mechanics. Too bad that young Scarlet wasn't a WWI fighter pilot that spontaneously learned how to pilot a jet fighter manufactured in the early 19 and 80s. Hee hee hee...
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 14, 2021 5:28:59 GMT 1
Its safe to assume Alexei went into the plane and took over control. This is all we have for a "legit" Black Widow plot hole? Man, it makes me long for the WW84 days where I was feasting on a veritable buffet of shit story mechanics. Too bad that young Scarlet wasn't a WWI fighter pilot that spontaneously learned how to pilot a jet fighter manufactured in the early 19 and 80s. Hee hee hee... Hee hee hee. I mean seriously, no offense but Alexi was right there and wasn’t on the wing when they landed, meaning he had made it into the plane. There isn’t a stretch of logic here or anything they needed to be more specific about. It’s pretty clear. And WW84 is a great comparison, because Black Widow has no real leaps of logic whereas that film is a great example if you want to see what actual leaps of logic look like.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 14, 2021 5:44:43 GMT 1
I've seen the film multiple times at this point and I have to say it's now a top-ten MCU entry for me. Natasha is one of the MCU's most fully realized and complex characters. Even though the final box-office tally might not warrant it, Marvel Studios should seriously consider making more Black Widow prequels. I have to agree. The more I think about this film, the more true character I find in it. This isn’t the spoiler thread so I’ll be careful but for people who have tragic childhoods, the idea of what you take away as important is fascinating to me. I mean I’m lucky, and I know it. I had great parents, I wasn’t super popular but I had a stable group of friends, I had resources, and access to popular attractions, grandparents who took their time to show me historical places in the country. I mean, I realize now that I’m older that I had a solid up bringing. And to look at a character like Natasha, who didnt, I feel how fragile all of that was. Maybe that sounds naive, but I get it, and I see how important those moments of light could be if the rest is suddenly all darkness. I feel this film and they did incredibly well making these characters real. Yeah, I think the family dynamics were handled well overall. Coming from a stricter upbringing than most, I could appreciate trying to escape your "family life" at all costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 6:47:10 GMT 1
Has anyone seen Yelena's vest on sale anywhere? No, but I did see Black Widow’s pants at an exhibit a few years ago. (Seriously! I’ve got pics!)
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Post by maximura on Jul 14, 2021 11:54:40 GMT 1
This is all we have for a "legit" Black Widow plot hole? Man, it makes me long for the WW84 days where I was feasting on a veritable buffet of shit story mechanics. Too bad that young Scarlet wasn't a WWI fighter pilot that spontaneously learned how to pilot a jet fighter manufactured in the early 19 and 80s. Hee hee hee... Hee hee hee. I mean seriously, no offense but Alexi was right there and wasn’t on the wing when they landed, meaning he had made it into the plane. There isn’t a stretch of logic here or anything they needed to be more specific about. It’s pretty clear. And WW84 is a great comparison, because Black Widow has no real leaps of logic whereas that film is a great example if you want to see what actual leaps of logic look like. My issue was with underdeveloped thoughts rather than plot holes, but I again liked the film far more than any complaints I may have. I'll leave details off of this thread, but there were just a few spots throughout it where you just kind of had to go along with their planning or actions in a so this is happening sense. Not horrible, just a bit story convenient.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 17:18:24 GMT 1
Leaving for the theater in about twenty minutes. I can’t believe I’m actually going to see a movie again. This is kind of surreal.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 14, 2021 18:24:45 GMT 1
Leaving for the theater in about twenty minutes. I can’t believe I’m actually going to see a movie again. This is kind of surreal. amazing right! It was so cool being in there. I did a small little hometown theater and it was great. Buy some snacks. They need it.
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