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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 23:53:33 GMT 1
I mean I can understand both povs but at least give it a chance. Can we all agree that Gladiator shouldntve have a sequel? I would totally watch a Gladiator streaming show. Make it happen, ApplePlus! The guy is dead LOL. I guess we can have Maximus fight Pluto?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 23:55:26 GMT 1
I would totally watch a Gladiator streaming show. Make it happen, ApplePlus! The guy is dead LOL. I guess we can have Maximus fight Pluto? New characters set in the same universe. Lots of Easter eggs/references to the film to create the illusion of canon. Call it: Gladiator: Gladiators. This thing writes itself!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 1, 2022 23:56:09 GMT 1
That’s not really the same thing. You’re talking about honest evaluation of a film that has been released vs downplaying an unreleased project simply because it can’t be 100% original source material? I didn’t get on it WW simply because it was being made. There are litany of actual issues. It’s still spending a lot of thought on something you don’t like and were never going to like. I wanted to like WW84 and hated it. But I moved on a year ago. I don’t see any reason why I can’t express my thoughts on this series, even if I don’t plan to watch. I enjoy the discussion so far, but this notion that I shouldn’t discuss it all is weak sauce, Archie. I do like it though. I like evaluating what was so terrible about it. Why they made the decisions they made. It’s not about moving on. But if I just didn’t want a project to happen, there’s nothing to evaluate. Nothing to discuss. It wouldn’t be a conversation worth having so I wouldn’t have it. It’s just not the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 23:59:51 GMT 1
It’s still spending a lot of thought on something you don’t like and were never going to like. I wanted to like WW84 and hated it. But I moved on a year ago. I don’t see any reason why I can’t express my thoughts on this series, even if I don’t plan to watch. I enjoy the discussion so far, but this notion that I shouldn’t discuss it all is weak sauce, Archie. I do like it though. I like evaluating what was so terrible about it. Why they made the decisions they made. It’s not about moving on. But if I just didn’t want a project to happen, there’s nothing to evaluate. Nothing to discuss. It wouldn’t be a conversation worth having so I wouldn’t have it. It’s just not the same thing. I’m evaluating the decision to make it. It’s like, you’re analyzing the Apollo 13 mission and what went wrong and I’m questioning the logic behind a voyage into the heart of the sun. Both are valid discussions, no?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2022 0:03:22 GMT 1
The real problem with this whole endeavor is that me thinks Amazon might have misjudged the demand for it… Diehards aside, interest, outside of the fandom, is only medium.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:06:36 GMT 1
The guy is dead LOL. I guess we can have Maximus fight Pluto? New characters set in the same universe. Lots of Easter eggs/references to the film to create the illusion of canon. Call it: Gladiator: Gladiators. This thing writes itself! What about Gladiator: The Rebels of Power? Have Spartacus join in too, in an alternate world? What's not to love? Two Roman rebels-one poor, one that was ex-privilege. Bring back Djimon Hounsou of course. Multiverse. Zombies. This will be the Green Machine at the box office
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:08:00 GMT 1
New characters set in the same universe. Lots of Easter eggs/references to the film to create the illusion of canon. Call it: Gladiator: Gladiators. This thing writes itself! What about Gladiator: The Rebels of Power? Have Spartacus join in too, in an alternate world? What's not to love? Two Roman rebels-one poor, one that was ex-privilege. Bring back Djimon Hounsou of course. Multiverse. Zombies. This will be the Green Machine at the box office I love it and I wanna stream it immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:09:30 GMT 1
The real problem with this whole endeavor is that me thinks Amazon might have misjudged the demand for it… Diehards aside, interest, outside of the fandom, is only medium. I think the Wheel of Time doesnt inspire confidence either? Then again they arent pulling punches with the Lord of the Rings. Im certain they dont want to be known as the guys to ruin Lord of the Rings. There is that incentive and for a company like Amazon too
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 0:12:17 GMT 1
I do like it though. I like evaluating what was so terrible about it. Why they made the decisions they made. It’s not about moving on. But if I just didn’t want a project to happen, there’s nothing to evaluate. Nothing to discuss. It wouldn’t be a conversation worth having so I wouldn’t have it. It’s just not the same thing. I’m evaluating the decision to make it. It’s like, you’re analyzing the Apollo 13 mission and what went wrong and I’m questioning the logic behind a voyage into the heart of the sun. Both are valid discussions, no? Not really. It’s the only way they could possibly make it. The only thing you seem to be saying is they shouldn’t make it. I mean ok, but they are, so you’re either down or you’re not. There’s no other conversation to be had there as far I can tell.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 0:16:46 GMT 1
The real problem with this whole endeavor is that me thinks Amazon might have misjudged the demand for it… Diehards aside, interest, outside of the fandom, is only medium. This might actually be true. But I do hope they’re successful enough to finish this off the right way. I really can’t wait to get into this world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:18:26 GMT 1
The real problem with this whole endeavor is that me thinks Amazon might have misjudged the demand for it… Diehards aside, interest, outside of the fandom, is only medium. This might actually be true. But I do hope they’re successful enough to finish this off the right way. I really can’t wait to get into this world. There's a lot riding on it though. I hope it's great
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 0:21:22 GMT 1
This might actually be true. But I do hope they’re successful enough to finish this off the right way. I really can’t wait to get into this world. There's a lot riding on it though. I hope it's great Me too. I’ve been pining for a new era or realm to explore. I think exploring his historical works is creatively inspiring
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:32:46 GMT 1
There's a lot riding on it though. I hope it's great Me too. I’ve been pining for a new era or realm to explore. I think exploring his historical works is creatively inspiring It really is great that studios/companies are moving away from original stories and trying out the other parts of - I dont know how should I put this - the entire friggin world and history! I guess Marvel started it then Star Wars. Now Lord of the Rings
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2022 0:33:57 GMT 1
The real problem with this whole endeavor is that me thinks Amazon might have misjudged the demand for it… Diehards aside, interest, outside of the fandom, is only medium. I think the Wheel of Time doesnt inspire confidence either? Then again they arent pulling punches with the Lord of the Rings. Im certain they dont want to be known as the guys to ruin Lord of the Rings. There is that incentive and for a company like Amazon too The Rings of Power would seem to have a lot going for it. The governance of the project appears sound to me. It's sort of like how the Broccoli family still controls the creative direction of the Bond franchise. Amazon will have to please the Tolkien scholars, his estate, and the fans who will scrutinize the work to death. The project is exceptionally well funded and reasonably well staffed. Amazon seems to be going above and beyond to make this work. I don't think they came to dabble in Lord of the Rings fanfic and pack it in after two seasons. Personally, I've always found Tolkien bland AF, which is why I am stunned that people perceive his work as inviolate and too pure for adjustment. His work is low on plot, barely suspenseful, and filled with flat characters. If they want to turn this series into a conversation starter, they may have to inject some GoT ethos into the mix. I am not suggesting that they deface the material in any way but, it can't be all about long walks and people crying/hugging --- set to flute music. I haven't watched any Wheel of Time, nor am I aware of the reactions to the show. I thought I read somewhere that it was their second most-watched series, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:36:13 GMT 1
I think the Wheel of Time doesnt inspire confidence either? Then again they arent pulling punches with the Lord of the Rings. Im certain they dont want to be known as the guys to ruin Lord of the Rings. There is that incentive and for a company like Amazon too The Rings of Power would seem to have a lot going for it. The governance of the project appears sound to me. It's sort of like how the Broccoli family still controls the creative direction of the Bond franchise. Amazon will have to please the Tolkien scholars, his estate, and the fans who will scrutinize the work to death. The project is exceptionally well funded and reasonably well staffed. Amazon seems to be going above and beyond to make this work. I don't think they came to dabble in Lord of the Rings fanfic and pack it in after two seasons. Personally, I've always found Tolkien bland AF, which is why I am stunned that people perceive his work as inviolate and too pure for adjustment. His work is low on plot, barely suspenseful, and filled with flat characters.If they want to turn this series into a conversation starter, they may have to inject some GoT ethos into the mix. I am not suggesting that they deface the material in any way but, it can't be all about long walks and people crying/hugging --- set to flute music. I haven't watched any Wheel of Time, nor am I aware of the reactions to the show. I thought I read somewhere that it was their second most-watched series, though. I ask this with respect and no intention of antagonism, but I’m genuinely curious, if you feel this way, why on earth would you even have any interest in a Tolkien adaptation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 0:42:33 GMT 1
I think the Wheel of Time doesnt inspire confidence either? Then again they arent pulling punches with the Lord of the Rings. Im certain they dont want to be known as the guys to ruin Lord of the Rings. There is that incentive and for a company like Amazon too The Rings of Power would seem to have a lot going for it. The governance of the project appears sound to me. It's sort of like how the Broccoli family still controls the creative direction of the Bond franchise. Amazon will have to please the Tolkien scholars, his estate, and the fans who will scrutinize the work to death. The project is exceptionally well funded and reasonably well staffed. Amazon seems to be going above and beyond to make this work. I don't think they came to dabble in Lord of the Rings fanfic and pack it in after two seasons. Personally, I've always found Tolkien bland AF, which is why I am stunned that people perceive his work as inviolate and too pure for adjustment. His work is low on plot, barely suspenseful, and filled with flat characters. If they want to turn this series into a conversation starter, they may have to inject some GoT ethos into the mix. I am not suggesting that they deface the material in any way but, it can't be all about long walks and people crying/hugging --- set to flute music. I haven't watched any Wheel of Time, nor am I aware of the reactions to the show. I thought I read somewhere that it was their second most-watched series, though. Early reports werent that great but yeah I did hear something like that too eventually, that being streamed a lot. Audience score from RT is average. Critics much better You hear about streaming numbers ie Squid Game etc Although the way it's measured is a bit dubious?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2022 1:06:56 GMT 1
The Rings of Power would seem to have a lot going for it. The governance of the project appears sound to me. It's sort of like how the Broccoli family still controls the creative direction of the Bond franchise. Amazon will have to please the Tolkien scholars, his estate, and the fans who will scrutinize the work to death. The project is exceptionally well funded and reasonably well staffed. Amazon seems to be going above and beyond to make this work. I don't think they came to dabble in Lord of the Rings fanfic and pack it in after two seasons. Personally, I've always found Tolkien bland AF, which is why I am stunned that people perceive his work as inviolate and too pure for adjustment. His work is low on plot, barely suspenseful, and filled with flat characters.If they want to turn this series into a conversation starter, they may have to inject some GoT ethos into the mix. I am not suggesting that they deface the material in any way but, it can't be all about long walks and people crying/hugging --- set to flute music. I haven't watched any Wheel of Time, nor am I aware of the reactions to the show. I thought I read somewhere that it was their second most-watched series, though. I ask this with respect and no intention of antagonism, but I’m genuinely curious, if you feel this way, why on earth would you even have any interest in a Tolkien adaptation? Honestly, I don't. All due respect to the faithful, I feel a five-season-long snooze-fest coming on. I think it has the right to exist for fans who are into it. I also think Amazon is acting in reasonably good faith in their preparations for the series. The books and the movies outside of The Two Towers were snoozers for me. I was hoping they'd meet some half-spider/half-lady sex workers and smoke some enchanted weed on the way to Mordor… or wherever it was they were going. It's just not my thing, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't expand on it for the benefit of those who want to see more stories set in that world.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Feb 2, 2022 2:39:50 GMT 1
I would totally watch a Gladiator streaming show. Make it happen, ApplePlus! The guy is dead LOL. I guess we can have Maximus fight Pluto? Multiverse that bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 4:28:22 GMT 1
The guy is dead LOL. I guess we can have Maximus fight Pluto? Multiverse that bitch. KAPOW!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 5:49:54 GMT 1
I do like it though. I like evaluating what was so terrible about it. Why they made the decisions they made. It’s not about moving on. But if I just didn’t want a project to happen, there’s nothing to evaluate. Nothing to discuss. It wouldn’t be a conversation worth having so I wouldn’t have it. It’s just not the same thing. I’m evaluating the decision to make it. It’s like, you’re analyzing the Apollo 13 mission and what went wrong and I’m questioning the logic behind a voyage into the heart of the sun. Both are valid discussions, no? I was thinking this a little more because I can understand how you think the WW84 is the same and I was trying to articulate why that’s not a comparison in the sense I’m talking about it. The key difference is that WW has a near unlimited source of material and a variety of acceptable interpretations of it. LOTR doesn’t. You either make the most of the material you do have as faithfully as you can, or you do nothing. So winking at me about breaking down a WW84 scene isn’t a gotcha situation. It’s that I think the endeavor to make the most of the material we have of LOTR is a worthwhile venture over the option of never exploring the rest of the franchise. As it’s a different circumstance. And it’s one that can avoided completely. Whereas WW84 affects a larger franchise and takes up the space of doing one of those potential other options I mentioned. I hope that makes a little more sense than what may have come across as some sort of hypocrisy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 8:16:19 GMT 1
I’m evaluating the decision to make it. It’s like, you’re analyzing the Apollo 13 mission and what went wrong and I’m questioning the logic behind a voyage into the heart of the sun. Both are valid discussions, no? I was thinking this a little more because I can understand how you think the WW84 is the same and I was trying to articulate why that’s not a comparison in the sense I’m talking about it. The key difference is that WW has a near unlimited source of material and a variety of acceptable interpretations of it. LOTR doesn’t. You either make the most of the material you do have as faithfully as you can, or you do nothing. So winking at me about breaking down a WW84 scene isn’t a gotcha situation. It’s that I think the endeavor to make the most of the material we have of LOTR is a worthwhile venture over the option of never exploring the rest of the franchise. As it’s a different circumstance. And it’s one that can avoided completely. Whereas WW84 affects a larger franchise and takes up the space of doing one of those potential other options I mentioned. I hope that makes a little more sense than what may have come across as some sort of hypocrisy Okay. Fair enough. I was really only jesting about the WW thing. I meant no offense. As far as this series goes I’m just being honest here. It strikes me as a very cynical gratuitous venture by a company desperate for bankable IPs. Yes it’s true that i wont watch so maybe I shouldn’t care (and honestly I really don’t). But I do find the topic interesting: The question of whether an IP loses its identity when it is completely separated from its original creator is a question that is extremely relevant to today’s media landscape and, I think, worthy of some thought instead of being outright dismissed.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 13:49:15 GMT 1
I was thinking this a little more because I can understand how you think the WW84 is the same and I was trying to articulate why that’s not a comparison in the sense I’m talking about it. The key difference is that WW has a near unlimited source of material and a variety of acceptable interpretations of it. LOTR doesn’t. You either make the most of the material you do have as faithfully as you can, or you do nothing. So winking at me about breaking down a WW84 scene isn’t a gotcha situation. It’s that I think the endeavor to make the most of the material we have of LOTR is a worthwhile venture over the option of never exploring the rest of the franchise. As it’s a different circumstance. And it’s one that can avoided completely. Whereas WW84 affects a larger franchise and takes up the space of doing one of those potential other options I mentioned. I hope that makes a little more sense than what may have come across as some sort of hypocrisy Okay. Fair enough. I was really only jesting about the WW thing. I meant no offense. As far as this series goes I’m just being honest here. It strikes me as a very cynical gratuitous venture by a company desperate for bankable IPs. Yes it’s true that i wont watch so maybe I shouldn’t care (and honestly I really don’t). But I do find the topic interesting: The question of whether an IP loses its identity when it is completely separated from its original creator is a question that is extremely relevant to today’s media landscape and, I think, worthy of some thought instead of being outright dismissed. thats fair enough, but for me it strikes me as a very honest sincere approach. I mean I’m a fan who wants to explore more of this world, and if they’re honoring the source material, then they’re making it for me. Putting a black cloud of cynicism over that is kind of a buzz kill that I wish wasn’t a conversation right now. I’m trying to be excited about this
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 17:11:19 GMT 1
Okay. Fair enough. I was really only jesting about the WW thing. I meant no offense. As far as this series goes I’m just being honest here. It strikes me as a very cynical gratuitous venture by a company desperate for bankable IPs. Yes it’s true that i wont watch so maybe I shouldn’t care (and honestly I really don’t). But I do find the topic interesting: The question of whether an IP loses its identity when it is completely separated from its original creator is a question that is extremely relevant to today’s media landscape and, I think, worthy of some thought instead of being outright dismissed. thats fair enough, but for me it strikes me as a very honest sincere approach. I mean I’m a fan who wants to explore more of this world, and if they’re honoring the source material, then they’re making it for me. Putting a black cloud of cynicism over that is kind of a buzz kill that I wish wasn’t a conversation right now. I’m trying to be excited about this It’s all good, man. I do know how you feel in that regard. Ive felt the exact same way about Dr Strange for the past two years. And I really only intended to briefly pop in and quip about the name, then I got pulled into this discussion. I promise I won’t be trolling it on a daily basis or anything like that.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 2, 2022 17:55:17 GMT 1
thats fair enough, but for me it strikes me as a very honest sincere approach. I mean I’m a fan who wants to explore more of this world, and if they’re honoring the source material, then they’re making it for me. Putting a black cloud of cynicism over that is kind of a buzz kill that I wish wasn’t a conversation right now. I’m trying to be excited about this It’s all good, man. I do know how you feel in that regard. Ive felt the exact same way about Dr Strange for the past two years. And I really only intended to briefly pop in and quip about the name, then I got pulled into this discussion. I promise I won’t be trolling it on a daily basis or anything like that. ;-) you’re cool bro! Sorry if I got all defensive lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 18:06:38 GMT 1
It’s all good, man. I do know how you feel in that regard. Ive felt the exact same way about Dr Strange for the past two years. And I really only intended to briefly pop in and quip about the name, then I got pulled into this discussion. I promise I won’t be trolling it on a daily basis or anything like that. ;-) you’re cool bro! Sorry if I got all defensive lol
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2022 18:38:16 GMT 1
Okay. Fair enough. I was really only jesting about the WW thing. I meant no offense. As far as this series goes I’m just being honest here. It strikes me as a very cynical gratuitous venture by a company desperate for bankable IPs. Yes it’s true that i wont watch so maybe I shouldn’t care (and honestly I really don’t). But I do find the topic interesting: The question of whether an IP loses its identity when it is completely separated from its original creator is a question that is extremely relevant to today’s media landscape and, I think, worthy of some thought instead of being outright dismissed. thats fair enough, but for me it strikes me as a very honest sincere approach. I mean I’m a fan who wants to explore more of this world, and if they’re honoring the source material, then they’re making it for me. Putting a black cloud of cynicism over that is kind of a buzz kill that I wish wasn’t a conversation right now. I’m trying to be excited about this I am not pointing at anyone in particular here other than myself, but there is a fundamental difference between having a conversation about a movie like WW84 where you're sincerely trying to articulate why certain aspects of the film didn't work and wholesale dumping on a new iteration of an IP without any actual talking points. I've been on both sides of the fence, but I try to err on the side of productive discussion (unless I'm trolling for laughs). I applaud you for mostly stating your points in an articulate manner with very little bitterness or mockery aimed at others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 19:22:56 GMT 1
thats fair enough, but for me it strikes me as a very honest sincere approach. I mean I’m a fan who wants to explore more of this world, and if they’re honoring the source material, then they’re making it for me. Putting a black cloud of cynicism over that is kind of a buzz kill that I wish wasn’t a conversation right now. I’m trying to be excited about this I am not pointing at anyone in particular here other than myself, but there is a fundamental difference between having a conversation about a movie like WW84 where you're sincerely trying to articulate why certain aspects of the film didn't work and wholesale dumping on a new iteration of an IP without any actual talking points. I've been on both sides of the fence, but I try to err on the side of productive discussion (unless I'm trolling for laughs). I applaud you for mostly stating your points in an articulate manner with very little bitterness or mockery aimed at others. I love you too
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2022 20:21:44 GMT 1
I am not pointing at anyone in particular here other than myself, but there is a fundamental difference between having a conversation about a movie like WW84 where you're sincerely trying to articulate why certain aspects of the film didn't work and wholesale dumping on a new iteration of an IP without any actual talking points. I've been on both sides of the fence, but I try to err on the side of productive discussion (unless I'm trolling for laughs). I applaud you for mostly stating your points in an articulate manner with very little bitterness or mockery aimed at others. I love you too
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 3, 2022 21:32:29 GMT 1
Im gonna watch it before I judge it. Im a huge fan of the LOTR trilogy. I only like the Hobbit trilogy because as it was pointed out before it was way way too much for what the story actually was. Could have been a movie less. Or even two.
I dont know much about what Tolkien wrote and I have only read translated versions of his work. However my stance on this kind of thing is always the same. Creators should have the freedom to produce whatever they want (of course with the rights being properly handled) and its up to fans to judge on whether they like it or not.
Im not gonna prejudge because I havent seen it.
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