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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:11:41 GMT 1
Also this is not an attack on anyone or you ArArArchStanton. Just exploring the issues here
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:13:30 GMT 1
I’m thinking most of the “reports” are fake. I just have an uneasy feeling about these reshoots packing in fan service. If it wasn’t in the original script it risks feeling gratuitous and awkward. Could be awesome stuff though. We’ll see… Well reshoots are normal, happens with a lot of films. The director was changed pretty early imo I think? Yeah Raimi was able to rewrite a script from square one. The reshoots could actually be adding some cool stuff so I’m hopeful. I just really don’t want Deadpool in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:14:53 GMT 1
Well reshoots are normal, happens with a lot of films. The director was changed pretty early imo I think? Yeah Raimi was able to rewrite a script from square one. The reshoots could actually be adding some cool stuff so I’m hopeful. I just really don’t want Deadpool in it. Deadpool FTW!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2022 5:16:28 GMT 1
Oh the multiverse idea is fine. I love it. Being a jerk off session for other unrelated is just a jerk off session to me though. The Loki variant aspect want reliant on other franchise nostalgia for get off points. NWH didn’t further the multiverse idea. But I don’t have an issue with it, it’s just a base level “oh yeah!” Idea that doesn’t really go anywhere. Hmm ok but Kang and the multiverse was only really introed literally 2 or 3 marvel properties ago. The multiverse is a simple concept. Means there are variants around, both with worlds/timelines and characters. Im just a little bit confused with what people actually wanted as the "multiverse story" only just begun. To me, Spider-Man No Way Home showed both the audience and the heroes of the MCU that there are very real and deadly consequences to the multiverse if not handled properly To me it was just a “oh yeah those past unrelated films showed up for a a minute”. I took nothing out of it. It was pointless except for those who wanted to see those characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:20:39 GMT 1
Hmm ok but Kang and the multiverse was only really introed literally 2 or 3 marvel properties ago. The multiverse is a simple concept. Means there are variants around, both with worlds/timelines and characters. Im just a little bit confused with what people actually wanted as the "multiverse story" only just begun. To me, Spider-Man No Way Home showed both the audience and the heroes of the MCU that there are very real and deadly consequences to the multiverse if not handled properly To me it was just a “oh yeah those past unrelated films showed up for a a minute”. I took nothing out of it. It was pointless except for those who wanted to see those characters. So you wanted to see other characters? Maybe Kang's minions, should he have more? Whether they know they serve him or not is another thing haha Or you didnt want Spider-Man to handle the multiverse concept? Something else?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2022 5:23:30 GMT 1
To me it was just a “oh yeah those past unrelated films showed up for a a minute”. I took nothing out of it. It was pointless except for those who wanted to see those characters. So you wanted to see other characters? Maybe Kang's minions, should he have more? Whether they know they serve him or not is another thing haha Or you didnt want Spider-Man to handle the multiverse concept? Something else? IDK. I’m not saying what they should have done. Just that all the cameos showing up didn’t mean anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:26:16 GMT 1
So you wanted to see other characters? Maybe Kang's minions, should he have more? Whether they know they serve him or not is another thing haha Or you didnt want Spider-Man to handle the multiverse concept? Something else? IDK. I’m not saying what they should have done. Just that all the cameos showing up didn’t mean anything. Ok fair enough. I was just curious if there was an alternative that people wanted
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2022 5:35:32 GMT 1
IDK. I’m not saying what they should have done. Just that all the cameos showing up didn’t mean anything. Ok fair enough. I was just curious if there was an alternative that people wanted Naaa. I had no “what I wanted”. They did this well and I have no problem with it. I just think it was the lowest common denominator.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 5:47:13 GMT 1
Did anyone else love Garfield in this? I kept thinking “This dude is so great. I wanna see more of him as Spider-Man!” Then I had to keep reminding myself that I hated his movies!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 1, 2022 6:08:48 GMT 1
I guess we'll see what happens with Doctor Strange 2.
The original source of that leak came from 4chan, so always take a leak with a grain of salt unless the leak is actual footage.
That actually happened with Endgame by the way lol
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 4, 2022 23:15:31 GMT 1
Just got back from my third viewing. I made sure the nostalgia/meter berry high was flushed out of my system, so I had a clear mind this time.
And here's my final verdict for the film for the time being:
The film is not flawless, I still think that the script is very weak and they definitely could have done another rewrite.
There is questionable writing, as well as creative decisions with some characters. The film also felt rushed and it did some characters dirty in terms of screen time.
Honestly with the amount of characters in the film, it should have been at least 3 hours long.
That being said I still enjoyed the hell out of the film and had a lot of fun with it.
Yes the film was heavily filled with nostalgia and fan pandering, but so was the Avengers films, especially Endgame.
With it being the third entry in a trilogy that shoein Tony Stark and other Marvel characters, I think it’s okay for this film to embrace Spider-Man Cinematic history.
Hell after all, this year is Spider-Man’s big anniversary year with the character turning 60, Sam Raimi first film turning 20, The Amazing Spider-Man turning 10 and even Spider-Man Homecoming turning 5, what better way than have a film that brings it full circle.
And judging by the dominant boxoffice, it looks like I'm not alone.
I wish you guys enjoyed the film as much as I did. But, hey! We're all entitled to our own opinions.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2022 0:50:15 GMT 1
And another thing… I find it strangely hypocritical that detractors of the first two films who complained about Peter essentially becoming Iron Man Jr. have no complaints about Dr. Strange's similarly-framed participation in No Way Home. Strange is the closest you can get to an Iron Man proxy. He mentors Peter, they come into conflict with each other, and Strange plays a pivotal role in helping the Peters defeat the villains. Peter even gets some Strange-tech and becomes Spider-Mage.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 5, 2022 0:57:18 GMT 1
And another thing… I find it strangely hypocritical that detractors of the first two films who complained about Peter essentially becoming Iron Man Jr. have no complaints about Dr. Strange's similarly-framed participation in No Way Home. Strange is the closest you can get to an Iron Man proxy. He mentors Peter, they come into conflict with each other, and Strange plays a pivotal role in helping the Peters defeat the villains. Peter even gets some Strange-tech and becomes Spider-Mage. Its really a shining as a mole that a lot of fan chatter is utter bullshit. I think a lot of people on mention things like that because they think it’s a hot button and they want to start a mindless pointless chat war. Or, they’re actually too dumb to realize they don’t really care.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2022 1:22:28 GMT 1
And another thing… I find it strangely hypocritical that detractors of the first two films who complained about Peter essentially becoming Iron Man Jr. have no complaints about Dr. Strange's similarly-framed participation in No Way Home. Strange is the closest you can get to an Iron Man proxy. He mentors Peter, they come into conflict with each other, and Strange plays a pivotal role in helping the Peters defeat the villains. Peter even gets some Strange-tech and becomes Spider-Mage. Its really a shining as a mole that a lot of fan chatter is utter bullshit. I think a lot of people on mention things like that because they think it’s a hot button and they want to start a mindless pointless chat war. Or, they’re actually too dumb to realize they don’t really care. It also proves that people will parrot anything if it sounds halfway logical. As if Peter and Tony's collaboration/relationship was really something to be angry over in the first place. Now that we're back to the Spider-Man status quo, anything can be forgiven. That is assuming it was actually a problem, to begin with, and not more posturing from the fandom. I'm really not loving the "this feels like the real Spider-Man" narratives from the No Way Home base. It's dishonest and self-serving, seeing as how "real Spider-man" doesn't show up until the end.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 5, 2022 1:58:16 GMT 1
Its really a shining as a mole that a lot of fan chatter is utter bullshit. I think a lot of people on mention things like that because they think it’s a hot button and they want to start a mindless pointless chat war. Or, they’re actually too dumb to realize they don’t really care. It also proves that people will parrot anything if it sounds halfway logical. As if Peter and Tony's collaboration/relationship was really something to be angry over in the first place. Now that we're back to the Spider-Man status quo, anything can be forgiven. That is assuming it was actually a problem, to begin with, and not more posturing from the fandom. I'm really not loving the "this feels like the real Spider-Man" narratives from the No Way Home base. It's dishonest and self-serving, seeing as how "real Spider-man" doesn't show up until the end. yeah I don’t get that at all and it’s quite frankly embarrassing of those fans IMO. Tom has always felt like the real Spiderman. They’re just busy jerking off to seeing their cameos so nothing else matters. I mean really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 2:10:20 GMT 1
And another thing… I find it strangely hypocritical that detractors of the first two films who complained about Peter essentially becoming Iron Man Jr. have no complaints about Dr. Strange's similarly-framed participation in No Way Home. Strange is the closest you can get to an Iron Man proxy. He mentors Peter, they come into conflict with each other, and Strange plays a pivotal role in helping the Peters defeat the villains. Peter even gets some Strange-tech and becomes Spider-Mage. Hmm not sure about that. Remember why Peter came to Strange in the first place in No Way Home?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 2:27:48 GMT 1
Just got back from my third viewing. I made sure the nostalgia/meter berry high was flushed out of my system, so I had a clear mind this time. And here's my final verdict for the film for the time being: The film is not flawless, I still think that the script is very weak and they definitely could have done another rewrite. There is questionable writing, as well as creative decisions with some characters. The film also felt rushed and it did some characters dirty in terms of screen time. Honestly with the amount of characters in the film, it should have been at least 3 hours long. That being said I still enjoyed the hell out of the film and had a lot of fun with it. Yes the film was heavily filled with nostalgia and fan pandering, but so was the Avengers films, especially Endgame. With it being the third entry in a trilogy that shoein Tony Stark and other Marvel characters, I think it’s okay for this film to embrace Spider-Man Cinematic history. Hell after all, next year is Spider-Man’s big anniversary year with the character turning 60, Sam Raimi first film turning 20, The Amazing Spider-Man turning 10 and even Spider-Man Homecoming turning 5, what better way than have a film that brings it full circle. And judging by the dominant boxoffice, it looks like I'm not alone. I wish you guys enjoyed the film as much as I did. But, hey! We're all entitled to our own opinions. After two viewings I agree in every way. This movie can be very contrived in the obvious goal of fan service. But god damn do I enjoy the service it provided me. Sure some things are silly and a bit flimsy in terms of plot. But if you go with it then it’s a fun ride for what it provides. It also really fixes everything wrong with MCU Spidey. I was not a big fan of Holland’s Peter but man did I love him here. The movie was a tremendous course correction. For the first time in a decade I felt like the character on screen was actually Spider-Man.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2022 2:58:28 GMT 1
And another thing… I find it strangely hypocritical that detractors of the first two films who complained about Peter essentially becoming Iron Man Jr. have no complaints about Dr. Strange's similarly-framed participation in No Way Home. Strange is the closest you can get to an Iron Man proxy. He mentors Peter, they come into conflict with each other, and Strange plays a pivotal role in helping the Peters defeat the villains. Peter even gets some Strange-tech and becomes Spider-Mage. Hmm not sure about that. Remember why Peter came to Strange in the first place in No Way Home? Because he needed Dr. Strange's help? That is actually more antithetical to the Peter-must-fly-solo ethos of Spider-Man purists than him being invited/mentored by Tony to join the larger superhero community (and awarded the ordinance for doing so meaningfully). Keep in mind that the standard Spider-Man uniform is not sealed against the hard vacuum of space. :-) I've heard/read several justifications for this so-called distinction that doesn't amount to more than a personal preference or 'cause nostalgia blinders' in my mind. That's fine but, the difference between Tony and Stephen isn't all that appreciable. The best argument that I've heard, which is still shaky, is that Stephen does not insinuate himself into Peter's origin story (as much as Tony does). But I would argue that Stephen does become just as essential to the character's journey. He is responsible for no one remembering who Spider-Man is now (thus resetting us back to the original flavor wall-crawler).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 3:54:47 GMT 1
Hmm not sure about that. Remember why Peter came to Strange in the first place in No Way Home? Because he needed Dr. Strange's help? That is actually more antithetical to the Peter-must-fly-solo ethos of Spider-Man purists than him being invited/mentored by Tony to join the larger superhero community (and awarded the ordinance for doing so meaningfully). Keep in mind that the standard Spider-Man uniform is not sealed against the hard vacuum of space. :-) I've heard/read several justifications for this so-called distinction that doesn't amount to more than a personal preference or 'cause nostalgia blinders' in my mind. That's fine but, the difference between Tony and Stephen isn't all that appreciable. The best argument that I've heard, which is still shaky, is that Stephen does not insinuate himself into Peter's origin story (as much as Tony does). But I would argue that Stephen does become just as essential to the character's journey. He is responsible for no one remembering who Spider-Man is now (thus resetting us back to the original flavor wall-crawler). I mean basically the way I saw it, he was just asking Strange/a colleague/friend for help and he was the best possible solution at the same time. No different when the Avengers team up or another hero asks another for an assist or advice. Iron Man was a mentor no doubt. Strange was the expert in magic and Peter did follow his lead, up to a certain point obviously. Yes you can point to Sir but thats only because Strange was angry at the time. He was more following his aunt's wishes if anything. To me it was very much a Spider-Man film with a magic twist, thats it
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 5, 2022 10:00:00 GMT 1
Can I say Im proud of this community that we discuss different views on this film without disrespecting each other?
Well whether I can say it or not, I am proud of you all.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 5, 2022 12:13:40 GMT 1
Can I say Im proud of this community that we discuss different views on this film without disrespecting each other? Well whether I can say it or not, I am proud of you all. Except for TDW haters. Those guys can go play in the street ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 12:42:22 GMT 1
Can I say Im proud of this community that we discuss different views on this film without disrespecting each other? Well whether I can say it or not, I am proud of you all. Except for TDW haters. Those guys can go play in the street ;-) Oh yeah? Ill just wait for a Porsche to arrive and steal it. Better still, wait for ArArArch to drive through. How's that for playing on the street muahahahaha bahaha haha hu hu hu hee hee hee hu aha
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jan 5, 2022 15:32:36 GMT 1
Can I say Im proud of this community that we discuss different views on this film without disrespecting each other? Well whether I can say it or not, I am proud of you all. No. I am ALARMED AND OFFENDED that everyone else does not share my views. This is not OK. Don’t you see my status? “ALARMED AND OFFENDED.”
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jan 22, 2022 1:40:23 GMT 1
Can I say Im proud of this community that we discuss different views on this film without disrespecting each other? Well whether I can say it or not, I am proud of you all. No. I am ALARMED AND OFFENDED that everyone else does not share my views. This is not OK. Don’t you see my status? “ALARMED AND OFFENDED.” Duly noted and filed away.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jan 22, 2022 3:16:44 GMT 1
No. I am ALARMED AND OFFENDED that everyone else does not share my views. This is not OK. Don’t you see my status? “ALARMED AND OFFENDED.” Duly noted and filed away. Like the ark at the end of Raiders? Anyway, since I changed my avatar to Mr. Redfern I am no longer ALARMED AND OFFENDED, for better or worse.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 5, 2022 15:26:15 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 5, 2022 15:39:29 GMT 1
Honestly that would have been cool. Plus it would have been a different take on the character.
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Post by Jayman on Sept 5, 2022 19:42:06 GMT 1
Finally watched this last night 😁
I love this movie! Though there were points where I was becoming disinterested in the story, it really delivered for me in the end 😀
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 9, 2022 14:46:13 GMT 1
Finally watched this last night 😁 I love this movie! Though there were points where I was becoming disinterested in the story, it really delivered for me in the end 😀 NICE. I love these new Jayman posts I’m running into today. I’m finally playing catch-up. Glad you enjoyed it! I think it is absolutely the best you could with that kind of crossover concept.
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Post by Jayman on Sept 9, 2022 16:08:04 GMT 1
Finally watched this last night 😁 I love this movie! Though there were points where I was becoming disinterested in the story, it really delivered for me in the end 😀 NICE. I love these new Jayman posts I’m running into today. I’m finally playing catch-up. Glad you enjoyed it! I think it is absolutely the best you could with that kind of crossover concept. hey Arch! Great to be back and reconnect with all of you fine folks. I have a ton to catch up with here as well 😀
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