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Post by LokisMom on Jun 22, 2023 23:49:58 GMT 1
Pretty good first episode. I’m confused by the rapid demise of two prominent characters.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 22, 2023 23:51:43 GMT 1
Oddly enough, they're taking major hits for what appears to be an AI generated intro. The Secret Invasion is turning into a public fiasco. The series is essentially D.O.A. I have no clue what you’re talking about it.
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Post by Merv on Jun 23, 2023 0:03:48 GMT 1
So, is Martin Freeman dead and he was a Skrull all along or is that a imposter? I took it as he's an imposter and not the real Everett Ross. But I make that assumption when anyone is revealed to be a skrull. If I had to guess Id say that he's held captive in New Skrullos or whatever they were calling their headquarters.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 23, 2023 4:51:23 GMT 1
So, is Martin Freeman dead and he was a Skrull all along or is that a imposter? Imposter. Hill said as much during the episode. The real Ross is chilling in Wakanda.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 23, 2023 7:09:32 GMT 1
So, is Martin Freeman dead and he was a Skrull all along or is that a imposter? Imposter. Hill said as much during the episode. The real Ross is chilling in Wakanda. Phew
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2023 8:12:38 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Jun 23, 2023 13:24:00 GMT 1
So, is Martin Freeman dead and he was a Skrull all along or is that a imposter? Imposter. Hill said as much during the episode. The real Ross is chilling in Wakanda. I heard them say imposter Ross but I didn’t catch if they knew where the real one was.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 23, 2023 15:51:46 GMT 1
Imposter. Hill said as much during the episode. The real Ross is chilling in Wakanda. I heard them say imposter Ross but I didn’t catch if they knew where the real one was. Okoye freed him. So he is in Wakanda as a refugee.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 23, 2023 16:59:13 GMT 1
I take the openings credits were AI generated. I got an uncanny valley feeling watching it, but didn’t know it is AI. Automation is a threat to us all. We all might need to rethink some things and make some hard choices about what we value and how to assign it. I think those TicTac Aliens will land before we do that. Figures crossed.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2023 17:42:07 GMT 1
I take the openings credits were AI generated. I got an uncanny valley feeling watching it, but didn’t know it is AI. Automation is a threat to us all. We all might need to rethink some things and make some hard choices about what we value and how to assign it. I think those TicTac Aliens will land before we do that. Figures crossed. Automation is a threat to humans - given the current work-to-live paradigm. AI will force the next generation to rethink that.
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 24, 2023 4:10:58 GMT 1
Pretty good first episode. I’m confused by the rapid demise of two prominent characters. I had to think about that for a second. Forgot about the one near the beginning. Dont really care The second though..wtf It was so underwhelming. Surely they could have done that near the end of the series? I feel like that was a mistake. So a funeral next episode or at the end?
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 24, 2023 4:22:09 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death ManI dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 24, 2023 6:17:07 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death Man I dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris Panic is not a plan. Society constantly evolves, so will our response to AI. We are smart, but also adaptable. UBI doesn't guarantee sloth or crime, it means survival. A strategic halt in AI development is worth considering, but the world doesn't run on pause buttons. AI is a tool, not a destiny. As for hubris, we're all guilty. Welcome to the human condition.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 24, 2023 6:47:03 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death Man I dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris Panic is not a plan. Society constantly evolves, so will our response to AI. We are smart, but also adaptable. UBI doesn't guarantee sloth or crime, it means survival. A strategic halt in AI development is worth considering, but the world doesn't run on pause buttons. AI is a tool, not a destiny. As for hubris, we're all guilty. Welcome to the human condition. Like the printing press, the internet in general is changing society rapidly and a lot of folks can’t handle the change and do react with panics and violence out of fear and confusion. Maybe in several generations, humanity can return to a more rational means of communicating with each other instead of turning everything into a “they’re out to get me/us” conspiracy theory.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 24, 2023 19:12:08 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death Man I dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris But why would it want to win, and win what? I've never stopped being concerned about AI, but all my concerns are a reflection of who programs it and the data it's fed. By itself AI is benign. It's like logic. As a tool you can summon its powers to justify anything. An emotional reaction decides for people where to apply it and for what purpose. It's all benign until put to an agenda.
I've been following stories that tag the potential misuse of AI. The common thread is that AI is being rushed to put on the market. That's where the problem lies. It's not being refined enough. It's being put out before it's ready so companies can make a buck. Whistleblowers, particularly ones at Google, have been sounding the alarm against the misuse of AI because it has the potential to enmesh prejudices in society deeper than ever. The irony is it's not the AI on purpose. It's the people who're feeding it certain sets of data, data compiled over decades and with all the trappings of racial, gender and social bias, who're saying AI is more useful with this data than without. Those are the whistles being blown that companies like Google are trying to ignore, including dismissing one of their own top scientists for co-authoring a paper about the dangers of AI and refusing to back down from presenting it.
AI can be extremely effective and powerful. I have to believe there are people out there who'll see the good it can do. The problems that circulate around it are the data it's being fed and how much it's being rushed. There should also be more regulation. Otherwise it has potential. It's just too soon and people by and large aren't ready, but it's the way society's heading. It's not going to stopped being developed. The captains of industry like Musk weighing in mean nothing. The way to stop of from its misuse is to get onto it early, harness it, and regulate it. I have to believe there are people interested in the good it can do. That's my hubris.
Edit: Re: UBI. Elon Musk as far as I recall is a supporter of UBI. UBI to me makes sense too. AI/automation will have to evolve in tandem or the result will be a society of spenders with no earners. UBI at least gives people a guaranteed income, and there's no reason people on UBI can't have jobs. UBI is guaranteed. It boosts every other income you've got. I don't think it's boredom that breeds criminal potential though. It's desperation, usually economic. Society's upping the ante so hard that people are killing themselves to keep up or to get out because they know they can't. The direction of AI, automation and frankly, profit at the expense of people, necessitates a basic guaranteed income.
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 25, 2023 4:01:03 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death Man I dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris Panic is not a plan. Society constantly evolves, so will our response to AI. We are smart, but also adaptable. UBI doesn't guarantee sloth or crime, it means survival. A strategic halt in AI development is worth considering, but the world doesn't run on pause buttons. AI is a tool, not a destiny. As for hubris, we're all guilty. Welcome to the human condition. Well, one can only hope that humanity is very careful with this technology
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 25, 2023 4:09:24 GMT 1
AQUA CAT! Lord Death Man I dont think the world is doing enough to curb AI. There's a reason that universal basic income is being mentioned and what will people do with all that spare time anyway? Boredom breeds potential criminal, deviant or crazy behavior. Also will the UBI account for all that extra spare time? What will it do to the fabric of society? Then there's of course the small matter of it possibly being an extinction-level threat. An enemy that doesnt need to sleep, eat or worry about anything but itself (no family, friends or relatives) If it came to the end and there was some kind of siege and that is a happy scenario and not very likely. It would win by default through starvation. Elon and some other industry leaders have shared concerns, even to have a six month moratorium on AI development but no one is listening. It's great to think we're the smartest until we're not. Hubris But why would it want to win, and win what? I've never stopped being concerned about AI, but all my concerns are a reflection of who programs it and the data it's fed. By itself AI is benign. It's like logic. As a tool you can summon its powers to justify anything. An emotional reaction decides for people where to apply it and for what purpose. It's all benign until put to an agenda.
I've been following stories that tag the potential misuse of AI. The common thread is that AI is being rushed to put on the market. That's where the problem lies. It's not being refined enough. It's being put out before it's ready so companies can make a buck. Whistleblowers, particularly ones at Google, have been sounding the alarm against the misuse of AI because it has the potential to enmesh prejudices in society deeper than ever. The irony is it's not the AI on purpose. It's the people who're feeding it certain sets of data, data compiled over decades and with all the trappings of racial, gender and social bias, who're saying AI is more useful with this data than without. Those are the whistles being blown that companies like Google are trying to ignore, including dismissing one of their own top scientists for co-authoring a paper about the dangers of AI and refusing to back down from presenting it.
AI can be extremely effective and powerful. I have to believe there are people out there who'll see the good it can do. The problems that circulate around it are the data it's being fed and how much it's being rushed. There should also be more regulation. Otherwise it has potential. It's just too soon and people by and large aren't ready, but it's the way society's heading. It's not going to stopped being developed. The captains of industry like Musk weighing in mean nothing. The way to stop of from its misuse is to get onto it early, harness it, and regulate it. I have to believe there are people interested in the good it can do. That's my hubris.
Edit: Re: UBI. Elon Musk as far as I recall is a supporter of UBI. UBI to me makes sense too. AI/automation will have to evolve in tandem or the result will be a society of spenders with no earners. UBI at least gives people a guaranteed income, and there's no reason people on UBI can't have jobs. UBI is guaranteed. It boosts every other income you've got. I don't think it's boredom that breeds criminal potential though. It's desperation, usually economic. Society's upping the ante so hard that people are killing themselves to keep up or to get out because they know they can't. The direction of AI, automation and frankly, profit at the expense of people, necessitates a basic guaranteed income.
Of course humanity can regulate it but will it be enough and in time? Im talking about the point of no return. Will all the special interests and lobbyists reduce the careful management of AI tech? I think so and to society's detriment. The big US automotive companies colluded in the past to stop the development of the catalytic converter. Also look how widespread smoking was at one stage-on planes, in offices, around pregnant women. Im not sure I have enough faith in the human race to do the right thing
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 25, 2023 11:30:28 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 28, 2023 15:18:35 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 28, 2023 22:03:30 GMT 1
I really wish this Saga was dedicated to the Secret Invasion story rather than the multiverse stuff.
I doubt 6 episodes will do this story justice.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 28, 2023 22:50:24 GMT 1
Solid episode - gives me hope for a proper Kree-Skrull War story arc.
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Post by Merv on Jun 29, 2023 1:52:57 GMT 1
There’s no way Soren is dead right? I mean they’re beating us over the head with the fact that she is…but they want me to believe she died off screen some time ago and isn’t just posing as one of these other characters? I don’t buy it.
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Post by Merv on Jun 29, 2023 1:54:13 GMT 1
I really wish this Saga was dedicated to the Secret Invasion story rather than the multiverse stuff. I doubt 6 episodes will do this story justice. Is there a multiversal plot I’m not picking up on? Edit: oh you mean phase 4/5?
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Post by Merv on Jun 29, 2023 2:01:22 GMT 1
Also Sonya was great in this episode.
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:29:34 GMT 1
This was a good episode. Shouldve released the first 2 eps at once
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:30:15 GMT 1
So Nick at the end..
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:31:10 GMT 1
It was also good to see Nick kick some butt in this ep with War Machine's security. Tired of seeing him being weak
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:32:38 GMT 1
A bit disappointed that Emilia didnt turn out to be Abigail Brand. Last thought lol
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Post by ])--Biz Fett--([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:35:37 GMT 1
How funny would it be if Mystique was hiding as a skrull who was hiding as a regular person? Bad memories of Atomic Blonde all over again lol
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 29, 2023 11:22:40 GMT 1
I really wish this Saga was dedicated to the Secret Invasion story rather than the multiverse stuff. I doubt 6 episodes will do this story justice. Is there a multiversal plot I’m not picking up on? Edit: oh you mean phase 4/5? Yeah I think phase 4-6 should have been set around the Secret Invasion storyline. A 6 episode mini series is not enough to do it justice.
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