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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 24, 2021 20:56:43 GMT 1
Agreed, it's a genius level move on their part. Now they can include FOX-men, Wolverine, anyone they want to. Weak sauce. Thats exactly what they shouldnt do. Its lazy. To be fair the MCU has taken some lazy routes before.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:04:41 GMT 1
Heyyyy. Hard to articulate this. The trailer looks really good and I feel like they’re going to do the best possible version of what they’re trying to do,,,, but I’m still not sure what they’re doing with Otto or how I feel about it. And they’re doing Goblin also. I do love apparent use of Strange pulling a Mephisto in One More Day, which makes me wonder if there’s a bigger mystery here. Maybe it’s not Strange??? It wasn’t Fury last time after all. And I’m still quite sure if these are actual crossovers with the previous spiderverse so a part of me is hesitant. Maybe it’s another mysterio misdirection? IDK. I know I’m a huge MCU fan but that’s kind of the point. A crossover with the Raimi and Amazing series wouldn't be the MCU. It’s non MCU being wedged in if that’s what’s happening, which is more weird than exciting to me. But it does look like they’re going to do the best possible version of that. Soooo. I’m still in the hype train station, but I’m waiting on the next train. It would be absolutely insane if this was all STILL Mysterio and we never left Beck's hologram. It would me the MCU's Newhart series ending. Hee hee hee... Yeah, I am really feeling that something isn't what it appears to be. 1, because that's how most of these trailers work at least a little bit. But 2, I mean did anybody think is was,,, strange, that Strange just kept recklessly plowing through a reality spell despite being aware that Peter's yammering might muck it up? His sactum seemed odd, he was playing with fire, and he had a real goatee, IDK, it was all just,,, odd lol. And all I could think about was One More Day. It just seemed like he wanted this to happen a bit too much perhaps And that makes me wonder. Is that really Doc Ock from the Raimiverse? Aren't there other viable possibilities here? I still think so, so IDK. BTW, maximura is 100% convinced this isn't a Raimi crossover lolol. Just for the record. I am giving it more likely than that, even more likely than Foxverse Quicksilver (which I'll remind the court so many were errantly convinced about in WandaVision), but I'm still suspicious.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:07:03 GMT 1
Heyyyy. Hard to articulate this. The trailer looks really good and I feel like they’re going to do the best possible version of what they’re trying to do,,,, but I’m still not sure what they’re doing with Otto or how I feel about it. And they’re doing Goblin also. I do love apparent use of Strange pulling a Mephisto in One More Day, which makes me wonder if there’s a bigger mystery here. Maybe it’s not Strange??? It wasn’t Fury last time after all. And I’m still quite sure if these are actual crossovers with the previous spiderverse so a part of me is hesitant. Maybe it’s another mysterio misdirection? IDK. I know I’m a huge MCU fan but that’s kind of the point. A crossover with the Raimi and Amazing series wouldn't be the MCU. It’s non MCU being wedged in if that’s what’s happening, which is more weird than exciting to me. But it does look like they’re going to do the best possible version of that. Soooo. I’m still in the hype train station, but I’m waiting on the next train. Oh Archie. Not you too. lolol, what did I say? That Raimiverse isn't MCU? Am I obligated to just run with that idea? TBH I'm still not convinced that's what's going on here. I have this strong "something is off about this" vibe. Not sure what, but I'm suspicious ;-)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:07:26 GMT 1
Weak sauce. Thats exactly what they shouldnt do. Its lazy. To be fair the MCU has taken some lazy routes before. Nay
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:12:08 GMT 1
If you zoom in you can read the description: Variant Spider-Man arrives from a strange parallel world to fight and defeat villains everywhere! Loki planted the seed for the variant concept in the MCU. This now leaves the door open for Foxmen Variants to appear! Potentially, however the Sony relationship is a working relationship. There might some obligation to utilize their characters. But Fox? IDK. I feel like they made a statement with Quicksilver that they had no intention of doing that, and honestly I don't know why they would.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:13:35 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 24, 2021 21:31:47 GMT 1
OPENING CREDITS LEAKED ONLINE! {Spoiler}
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 21:37:00 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing
It's not what you use, it's how you use it
And that's what I'm most curious about with this film. Doc Ock looks great btw, but what it means and how they capitalize on his appearance will be what counts. Simply having these things appear, isn't billiant or genius. Anybody could have that happen. There's nothing smart about it. BUT, but but but but but, they could be going somewhere neat with this, and I want to know where that is. Because that will be what's brilliant. Or could be. And for those who don't understand the hesitancy of other fans, it's because where they're going isn't apparent. There's a fear that it's not going anywhere, and that it stands as a tacky and ultimately pointless monument to fanservice. But I suspect there's more here. I just dare not guess what it is. But I do have hope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 21:44:50 GMT 1
Oh Archie. Not you too. lolol, what did I say? That Raimiverse isn't MCU? Am I obligated to just run with that idea? TBH I'm still not convinced that's what's going on here. I have this strong "something is off about this" vibe. Not sure what, but I'm suspicious ;-) We’re entering into a new era of MCU awesomeness. People were questioning whether the MCU would get stale and Feige answered with a resounding NEVER! The multiverse stuff is next level. Don’t give up now, old boy. This magic carpet ride ain’t over. #TrustFeige
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 21:54:46 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing It's not what you use, it's how you use it And that's what I'm most curious about with this film. Doc Ock looks great btw, but what it means and how they capitalize on his appearance will be what counts. Simply having these things appear, isn't billiant or genius. Anybody could have that happen. There's nothing smart about it. BUT, but but but but but, they could be going somewhere neat with this, and I want to know where that is. Because that will be what's brilliant. Or could be. And for those who don't understand the hesitancy of other fans, it's because where they're going isn't apparent. There's a fear that it's not going anywhere, and that it stands as a tacky and ultimately pointless monument to fanservice. But I suspect there's more here. I just dare not guess what it is. But I do have hope. I gotta be honest, Archie. It’s genuinely shocking to see you suddenly so pessimistic on the MCU. I really never thought I’d see the day.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 24, 2021 21:57:26 GMT 1
It would be absolutely insane if this was all STILL Mysterio and we never left Beck's hologram. It would me the MCU's Newhart series ending. Hee hee hee... Yeah, I am really feeling that something isn't what it appears to be. 1, because that's how most of these trailers work at least a little bit. But 2, I mean did anybody think is was,,, strange, that Strange just kept recklessly plowing through a reality spell despite being aware that Peter's yammering might muck it up? His sactum seemed odd, he was playing with fire, and he had a real goatee, IDK, it was all just,,, odd lol. And all I could think about was One More Day. It just seemed like he wanted this to happen a bit too much perhaps And that makes me wonder. Is that really Doc Ock from the Raimiverse? Aren't there other viable possibilities here? I still think so, so IDK. BTW, maximura is 100% convinced this isn't a Raimi crossover lolol. Just for the record. I am giving it more likely than that, even more likely than Foxverse Quicksilver (which I'll remind the court so many were errantly convinced about in WandaVision), but I'm still suspicious. NWH Strange is a variant from somewhere in the multiverse. I'll stake a non-vital organ on it. He was reckless, impatient, and antagonistic. That's the pre-accident version of Stephen Strange. He's likely the "dark" Dr. Strange we've seen in the What If…? trailers - meaning What If…? is not an "anthology" show, and it will directly impact the live-action MCU. I see why they held the trailer for so long. Without a proper grounding in the multiverse concept (from Loki), it would have been hard to understand what we saw in this trailer.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 22:10:05 GMT 1
lolol, what did I say? That Raimiverse isn't MCU? Am I obligated to just run with that idea? TBH I'm still not convinced that's what's going on here. I have this strong "something is off about this" vibe. Not sure what, but I'm suspicious ;-) We’re entering into a new era of MCU awesomeness. People were questioning whether the MCU would get stale and Feige answered with a resounding NEVER! The multiverse stuff is next level. Don’t give up now, old boy. This magic carpet ride ain’t over. #TrustFeige Oh I'm not giving up brother. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going full Wellibers as it were lol. I love what they've done in Loki in terms of branching timelines, and WandaVision with warped reality, etc. They're setting up really interesting ways to play with alternate realities. I'm just trying to be realistic about it. I honestly don't quite know what we're looking at here and there's all this fan overeaction that's a little hard to see through. I feel like people may be once again getting hyped over things that might not happen the way they think, and the flip side of that is people getting upset over things that might not happen. So I can't get excited or upset about something I'm not convinced about. Know what I'm saying? :-) I think Marvel is letting us play the hype game for them, and No Way Home might be quite different than what many are expecting.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 24, 2021 22:11:06 GMT 1
Weak sauce. Thats exactly what they shouldnt do. Its lazy. To be fair the MCU has taken some lazy routes before. Please tell me where. No character in the MCU was introduced in a way where he/she just stepped in through a multiversal portal.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 22:15:36 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing It's not what you use, it's how you use it And that's what I'm most curious about with this film. Doc Ock looks great btw, but what it means and how they capitalize on his appearance will be what counts. Simply having these things appear, isn't billiant or genius. Anybody could have that happen. There's nothing smart about it. BUT, but but but but but, they could be going somewhere neat with this, and I want to know where that is. Because that will be what's brilliant. Or could be. And for those who don't understand the hesitancy of other fans, it's because where they're going isn't apparent. There's a fear that it's not going anywhere, and that it stands as a tacky and ultimately pointless monument to fanservice. But I suspect there's more here. I just dare not guess what it is. But I do have hope. I gotta be honest, Archie. It’s genuinely shocking to see you suddenly so pessimistic on the MCU. I really never thought I’d see the day. I think it only looks pessimistic if you're on the super optimistic end of the spectrum. I'm honestly just trying to be realistic about it. I think I am being optimistic actually. I said I believe they've probably got something clever worked out here. All I said was that there is a fear among some that they don't, and it's just a non substance crossover for the sake of it. I can't rule that out, because I don't know what they're doing exactly here, but I am optimistic that they've got something smart happening with these characters. Just imagine for a moment if Han Solo had shown up here. It's more that kind of eyebrow raising.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 22:17:27 GMT 1
Yeah, I am really feeling that something isn't what it appears to be. 1, because that's how most of these trailers work at least a little bit. But 2, I mean did anybody think is was,,, strange, that Strange just kept recklessly plowing through a reality spell despite being aware that Peter's yammering might muck it up? His sactum seemed odd, he was playing with fire, and he had a real goatee, IDK, it was all just,,, odd lol. And all I could think about was One More Day. It just seemed like he wanted this to happen a bit too much perhaps And that makes me wonder. Is that really Doc Ock from the Raimiverse? Aren't there other viable possibilities here? I still think so, so IDK. BTW, maximura is 100% convinced this isn't a Raimi crossover lolol. Just for the record. I am giving it more likely than that, even more likely than Foxverse Quicksilver (which I'll remind the court so many were errantly convinced about in WandaVision), but I'm still suspicious. NWH Strange is a variant from somewhere in the multiverse. I'll stake a non-vital organ on it. He was reckless, impatient, and antagonistic. That's the pre-accident version of Stephen Strange. He's likely the "dark" Dr. Strange we've seen in the What If…? trailers - meaning What If…? is not an "anthology" show, and it will directly impact the live-action MCU. I see why they held the trailer for so long. Without a proper grounding in the multiverse concept (from Loki), it would have been hard to understand what we saw in this trailer. I am tending to agree. There is something up with Dr Strange. Everything about him here was,,, off, in a purposeful way.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 24, 2021 22:21:41 GMT 1
To be fair the MCU has taken some lazy routes before. Please tell me where. No character in the MCU was introduced in a way where he/she just stepped in through a multiversal portal. Using time travel undo what Thanos did
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 22:51:53 GMT 1
Please tell me where. No character in the MCU was introduced in a way where he/she just stepped in through a multiversal portal. Using time travel undo what Thanos did That isn’t inherently lazy. Lazy would be if it just happened in a quick ho hum manner. They wound up weaving a ton of consequences out of the narrative. That’s not lazy.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 24, 2021 22:53:01 GMT 1
Please tell me where. No character in the MCU was introduced in a way where he/she just stepped in through a multiversal portal. Using time travel undo what Thanos did They planted the quantumrealm seed 4 years prior to that.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 24, 2021 23:42:16 GMT 1
NWH Strange is a variant from somewhere in the multiverse. I'll stake a non-vital organ on it. He was reckless, impatient, and antagonistic. That's the pre-accident version of Stephen Strange. He's likely the "dark" Dr. Strange we've seen in the What If…? trailers - meaning What If…? is not an "anthology" show, and it will directly impact the live-action MCU. I see why they held the trailer for so long. Without a proper grounding in the multiverse concept (from Loki), it would have been hard to understand what we saw in this trailer. I am tending to agree. There is something up with Dr Strange. Everything about him here was,,, off, in a purposeful way. And in an obvious way… Sony/Marvel wanted us to know that something is off about Dr. Strange. His tone towards Peter in the voiceover especially is downright hostile. Is Peter holding the Casket of Ancient Winters in that one shot of Strange attacking him? That would explain why the sanctum is a winter wonderland.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 24, 2021 23:48:05 GMT 1
I will consider this movie a classic, sight unseen, if we get this version of Dr. Strange.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 0:01:42 GMT 1
The Multiverse is upon us!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 0:12:22 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing It's not what you use, it's how you use it And that's what I'm most curious about with this film. Doc Ock looks great btw, but what it means and how they capitalize on his appearance will be what counts. Simply having these things appear, isn't billiant or genius. Anybody could have that happen. There's nothing smart about it. BUT, but but but but but, they could be going somewhere neat with this, and I want to know where that is. Because that will be what's brilliant. Or could be. And for those who don't understand the hesitancy of other fans, it's because where they're going isn't apparent. There's a fear that it's not going anywhere, and that it stands as a tacky and ultimately pointless monument to fanservice. But I suspect there's more here. I just dare not guess what it is. But I do have hope. Well, there are several theories now: -Mysterio (somehow involved again-the great illusion master, courtesy of Lord Death Man) -Mephisto (did you mention this AQUA KEN!) -Dr Strange variant Added to the fact that they may not be the exact same characters from the Raimiverse or TAS-I think you might have even said that too
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 25, 2021 0:15:50 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing It's not what you use, it's how you use it And that's what I'm most curious about with this film. Doc Ock looks great btw, but what it means and how they capitalize on his appearance will be what counts. Simply having these things appear, isn't billiant or genius. Anybody could have that happen. There's nothing smart about it. BUT, but but but but but, they could be going somewhere neat with this, and I want to know where that is. Because that will be what's brilliant. Or could be. And for those who don't understand the hesitancy of other fans, it's because where they're going isn't apparent. There's a fear that it's not going anywhere, and that it stands as a tacky and ultimately pointless monument to fanservice. But I suspect there's more here. I just dare not guess what it is. But I do have hope. Well, there are several theories now: -Mysterio (somehow involved again-the great illusion master, courtesy of Lord Death Man) -Mephisto (did you mention this AQUA KEN!) -Dr Strange variant Added to the fact that they may not be the exact same characters from the Raimiverse or TAS-I think you might have even said that too I did mention Mephisto, not to meme or anything but the fact that they included a little element of the very controversial one more day along with Doctor Strange acting...well strange lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 0:18:49 GMT 1
Well, there are several theories now: -Mysterio (somehow involved again-the great illusion master, courtesy of Lord Death Man ) -Mephisto (did you mention this AQUA KEN! ) -Dr Strange variant Added to the fact that they may not be the exact same characters from the Raimiverse or TAS-I think you might have even said that too I did mention Mephisto, not to meme or anything but the fact that they included a little element of the very controversial
along with Doctor Strange acting...well strange lol For those that dont know:
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Aug 25, 2021 0:19:46 GMT 1
Here's the thing about brilliant/genius writing It's not what you use, it's how you use it Well, there are several theories now: -Mysterio (somehow involved again-the great illusion master, courtesy of Lord Death Man ) -Mephisto (did you mention this AQUA KEN! ) -Dr Strange variant -An elaborate plot by Variant Harry Osborne to get another slice of his favorite pie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 0:21:16 GMT 1
Was gonna add the villains… Doc Ock Green Gobbler Sandman Lizard Electro Who will the sixth be! Vulture maybe? Mysterio, Morbius, Scorpion, Carnage and Venom too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 2:07:37 GMT 1
We’re entering into a new era of MCU awesomeness. People were questioning whether the MCU would get stale and Feige answered with a resounding NEVER! The multiverse stuff is next level. Don’t give up now, old boy. This magic carpet ride ain’t over. #TrustFeige Oh I'm not giving up brother. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going full Wellibers as it were lol. I love what they've done in Loki in terms of branching timelines, and WandaVision with warped reality, etc. They're setting up really interesting ways to play with alternate realities. I'm just trying to be realistic about it. I honestly don't quite know what we're looking at here and there's all this fan overeaction that's a little hard to see through. I feel like people may be once again getting hyped over things that might not happen the way they think, and the flip side of that is people getting upset over things that might not happen. So I can't get excited or upset about something I'm not convinced about. Know what I'm saying? :-) I think Marvel is letting us play the hype game for them, and No Way Home might be quite different than what many are expecting. I see no reason to lose confidence now. Time travel was a big risk. But it paid off nicely in End Game. This movie is gonna be totally WIZARD. Trust me on this. Spidey NWH, Dr Strange MoM and Thor Love and Thunder are going to be the 3 of the best MCU movies ever! No question. Also, multiverse aside, Spidey fighting Dr Strange in the mirror dimension! What?! That’s fucking awesome! Right? Come on, Arch. I need a high five on this. ✋🏻
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 2:37:02 GMT 1
Please tell me where. No character in the MCU was introduced in a way where he/she just stepped in through a multiversal portal. Using time travel undo what Thanos did And the multiverse has much more of a set up than that too. It was heavily foreshadowed in Dr Strange and End Game, then confirmed in Loki and used as the basis for the whole series. This is a carefully planned pay off.
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