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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2022 20:23:39 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,,
Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best.
BIG QUESTION
So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weigh both. I don’t think it’s an easy answer and it’s incredibly intriguing.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 20:35:51 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,, Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best. BIG QUESTION So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weight both.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2022 20:36:51 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,, Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best. BIG QUESTION So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weight both. nice Saul reference. Subtle ;-)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2022 21:02:18 GMT 1
Wanna say I really enjoyed the look of Ammit...and all 3 gods we see really. Konshu, Ammit and Taweret. But check out this alternate image of Ammit. All I could think of as a massive lost fan,,, was this
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 21:41:59 GMT 1
Is Bes, the Egyptian god of merriment in this thing? That dude rocks.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 7, 2022 21:48:20 GMT 1
Is Bes, the Egyptian god of merriment in this thing? That dude rocks. No
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 22:52:48 GMT 1
Is Bes, the Egyptian god of merriment in this thing? That dude rocks. No Oh. Season two then, maybe. Just out of curiosity, how does this show portray the gods here? Is it like other parts of the MCU where they are cosmic beings that humans see as “gods” or are they actual straight up god gods.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 1:24:53 GMT 1
Oh. Season two then, maybe. Just out of curiosity, how does this show portray the gods here? Is it like other parts of the MCU where they are cosmic beings that humans see as “gods” or are they actual straight up god gods. Dont seem to be cosmic beings so far. Weve seen three in god form. They usually use people as their avatars
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 2:08:33 GMT 1
Oh. Season two then, maybe. Just out of curiosity, how does this show portray the gods here? Is it like other parts of the MCU where they are cosmic beings that humans see as “gods” or are they actual straight up god gods. Dont seem to be cosmic beings so far. Weve seen three in god form. They usually use people as their avatars Oh. So no dog faced underworld guardians? Lame.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 3:27:32 GMT 1
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Post by LokisMom on May 8, 2022 11:10:01 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,, Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best. BIG QUESTION So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weigh both. I don’t think it’s an easy answer and it’s incredibly intriguing. Jake is the product of Marc's anger at his mother from her hatred of him for killing Roro and her violent mental and physical abuse towards him. Her torment forged Jake. But Roro's death was an accident, even so Marc blames himself for causing it, so the brother is in the room with the people Marc assassinated because Marc created the room to hold his victims. Jake probably didn't emerge until he became a mercenary though. It's possible Marc created Steven as a way to keep Jake still. Steven's goodness offsets Jake's badness.
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Post by LokisMom on May 8, 2022 11:15:17 GMT 1
Oh. Season two then, maybe. Just out of curiosity, how does this show portray the gods here? Is it like other parts of the MCU where they are cosmic beings that humans see as “gods” or are they actual straight up god gods. They refer to themselves as "cosmic beings." I think the "gods" of Marvel are intelligent superbeings with the ability to create their own material existence. Humans evolve up, while gods evolve down.
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Post by LokisMom on May 8, 2022 11:18:36 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,, Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best. BIG QUESTION So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weight both. I love Jonathan Banks.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 8, 2022 11:37:25 GMT 1
Finally caught up,,, Amazing series. I love it. Maybe their best. BIG QUESTION So when did Jake come about. And before you answer, think about it. Did he kill the brother. Orrrrr. Was he the result of Marc becoming a mercenary? Carefully weigh both. I don’t think it’s an easy answer and it’s incredibly intriguing. Jake is the product of Marc's anger at his mother from her hatred of him for killing Roro and her violent mental and physical abuse towards him. Her torment forged Jake. But Roro's death was an accident, even so Marc blames himself for causing it, so the brother is in the room with the people Marc assassinated because Marc created the room to hold his victims. Jake probably didn't emerge until he became a mercenary though. It's possible Marc created Steven as a way to keep Jake still. Steven's goodness offsets Jake's badness. Yeah. My curiosity was if Jake might have emerged earlier, perhaps as resentment of his brother and did in fact kill him on purpose. A few things might indicate this. One, the mom says that Marc was always jealous of him, and we don’t see exactly what happened. Neither does Marc or Steven. We’re just led to believe it was an accident and that the mom couldn’t get over it. But what if she was right. What if she knew or had reason to believe that Marc did it on purpose when if fact Jake was already in existence.
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Post by LokisMom on May 8, 2022 13:01:43 GMT 1
Jake is the product of Marc's anger at his mother from her hatred of him for killing Roro and her violent mental and physical abuse towards him. Her torment forged Jake. But Roro's death was an accident, even so Marc blames himself for causing it, so the brother is in the room with the people Marc assassinated because Marc created the room to hold his victims. Jake probably didn't emerge until he became a mercenary though. It's possible Marc created Steven as a way to keep Jake still. Steven's goodness offsets Jake's badness. Yeah. My curiosity was if Jake might have emerged earlier, perhaps as resentment of his brother and did in fact kill him on purpose. A few things might indicate this. One, the mom says that Marc was always jealous of him, and we don’t see exactly what happened. Neither does Marc or Steven. We’re just led to believe it was an accident and that the mom couldn’t get over it. But what if she was right. What if she knew or had reason to believe that Marc did it on purpose when if fact Jake was already in existence. 🤔 The only thing is we never see Marc behave with jealousy toward Roro, and if the psychotic Jake emerges to kill him, who “forged” Jake? His mother went psycho after Roro dies. A childhood Jake would mean something took possession of Marc as an innocent child or he was born evil. Maybe Marc does kill Roro in a fit of jealousy and Jake emerges from that, but I can’t see Marvel making a child an evil villain or murderer of his little brother. That’s too ugly and heartbreaking for me to consider. Also, the number of Marc’s victims in his mind room is smaller than huge “John Wick body count” we see in the aftermath of what we suspect are Jake’s emergences. Marc only remembers the deaths he can remember killing as himself as Moon Knight, except for Roro.
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Post by Merv on May 8, 2022 13:23:10 GMT 1
Even when he killed Axel Foleys best friend?
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Post by LokisMom on May 8, 2022 15:04:28 GMT 1
Even when he killed Axel Foleys best friend? He hasn’t done a lot of good guys, but playing villains can be juicier roles. He is great as the FBI agent in Wiseguys. That was a well written TV show and popular, but the star was not a well man, so Banks carried the last few seasons. He’s a trooper.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 17:49:12 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 8, 2022 18:19:58 GMT 1
Yeah. My curiosity was if Jake might have emerged earlier, perhaps as resentment of his brother and did in fact kill him on purpose. A few things might indicate this. One, the mom says that Marc was always jealous of him, and we don’t see exactly what happened. Neither does Marc or Steven. We’re just led to believe it was an accident and that the mom couldn’t get over it. But what if she was right. What if she knew or had reason to believe that Marc did it on purpose when if fact Jake was already in existence. 🤔 The only thing is we never see Marc behave with jealousy toward Roro, and if the psychotic Jake emerges to kill him, who “forged” Jake? His mother went psycho after Roro dies. A childhood Jake would mean something took possession of Marc as an innocent child or he was born evil. Maybe Marc does kill Roro in a fit of jealousy and Jake emerges from that, but I can’t see Marvel making a child an evil villain or murderer of his little brother. That’s too ugly and heartbreaking for me to consider. Also, the number of Marc’s victims in his mind room is smaller than huge “John Wick body count” we see in the aftermath of what we suspect are Jake’s emergences. Marc only remembers the deaths he can remember killing as himself as Moon Knight, except for Roro. Its a good point on the body count, and btw I’m not convinced that Jake did emerge in his childhood. It’s very possible that he’s the result of Marc’s merc days. But my idea here is that I can’t shake that the birth of his brother was what and who forged Jake. His mother says of Marc that he was always jealous of his new brother. And perhaps that jealousy grew and broke off on it’s own to kill his brother. IDK. Maybe not. But I could see. Would Marvel do it? IDK, it’s definitely dark AF. But I could see it. Certainly makes it deeply personal.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 9, 2022 11:13:58 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 11, 2022 6:02:50 GMT 1
This may have been discussed, but I feel like even during episode 1 when Steven blacked out and woke up to everyone being dead, it was always Jake. Every time. It was never Mark. Which makes me now wonder, when did we actually see Mark for the first time
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Post by Merv on May 11, 2022 15:17:24 GMT 1
This may have been discussed, but I feel like even during episode 1 when Steven blacked out and woke up to everyone being dead, it was always Jake. Every time. It was never Mark. Which makes me now wonder, when did we actually see Mark for the first time At the end of episode 1 fighting the jackal demon thing. I feel like the reflection was Mark. But I had the same thought about every shaky blackout actually being Jake coming to the front when we thought it was Mark most of the time. It fits with how destructive things would get during the ice cream chase. I think the show could be very interesting to rewatch knowing that Jake is there and knowing that Konshu probably has had an agreement with the Jake character for longer than we thought. Konshu is managing Marcs multiple personalities to his own benefit.
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Post by LokisMom on May 12, 2022 6:56:49 GMT 1
This may have been discussed, but I feel like even during episode 1 when Steven blacked out and woke up to everyone being dead, it was always Jake. Every time. It was never Mark. Which makes me now wonder, when did we actually see Mark for the first time In the mirror in Steven’s flat.
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Post by LokisMom on May 12, 2022 7:02:54 GMT 1
Question: is Marc one person or is he three persons inside one body or three separate people who can exist separate from one another? Also, in regards to whether there’s some type of sequel that determines if episode 6 succeeds or fails, did you notice the last we see of Marc/Steven is they fall flat on their face with a thud?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 7:45:26 GMT 1
This may have been discussed, but I feel like even during episode 1 when Steven blacked out and woke up to everyone being dead, it was always Jake. Every time. It was never Mark. Which makes me now wonder, when did we actually see Mark for the first time Interesting
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 12, 2022 11:38:23 GMT 1
Question: is Marc one person or is he three persons inside one body or three separate people who can exist separate from one another? Also, in regards to whether there’s some type of sequel that determines if episode 6 succeeds or fails, did you notice the last we see of Marc/Steven is they fall flat on their face with a thud? I think it’s a fairly straight forward multiple personality case. As straight forward as such a thing gets anyway. His mind has created separate personalities in order to avoid dealing with certain aspects of his overall life. And those learned different skills. So they have their own sets of knowledge and muscle memory. When he flips to another one he only has access to that set of knowledge. I’m still on the fence as to what exactly prompted Jake to emerge. The birth of his brother or the murderous lifestyle of adult Marc.
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Post by LokisMom on May 12, 2022 16:35:45 GMT 1
Question: is Marc one person or is he three persons inside one body or three separate people who can exist separate from one another? Also, in regards to whether there’s some type of sequel that determines if episode 6 succeeds or fails, did you notice the last we see of Marc/Steven is they fall flat on their face with a thud? I think it’s a fairly straight forward multiple personality case. As straight forward as such a thing gets anyway. His mind has created separate personalities in order to avoid dealing with certain aspects of his overall life. And those learned different skills. So they have their own sets of knowledge and muscle memory. When he flips to another one he only has access to that set of knowledge. I’m still on the fence as to what exactly prompted Jake to emerge. The birth of his brother or the murderous lifestyle of adult Marc. Therefore, is there some mystical art, on Earth-616, that allows either Steven or Jake to exist apart from one another simultaneously? Last scene, Marc/Steven are in his apartment; credits roll; Jake is picking up Harrow. So, as the credits roll, did Marc/Steven get up, dress up as a chauffeur, and murder Harrow, or is Jake physically separated from M/S? In other words, does Marc have the capacity somehow to create his own doppelgängers? I tell’ya, if this series doesn’t have a second season, I’m taking back a lot of the good things I said about it. I bit my tongue during the review.
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Post by Merv on May 12, 2022 17:57:49 GMT 1
I think it’s a fairly straight forward multiple personality case. As straight forward as such a thing gets anyway. His mind has created separate personalities in order to avoid dealing with certain aspects of his overall life. And those learned different skills. So they have their own sets of knowledge and muscle memory. When he flips to another one he only has access to that set of knowledge. I’m still on the fence as to what exactly prompted Jake to emerge. The birth of his brother or the murderous lifestyle of adult Marc. Therefore, is there some mystical art, on Earth-616, that allows either Steven or Jake to exist apart from one another simultaneously? Last scene, Marc/Steven are in his apartment; credits roll; Jake is picking up Harrow. So, as the credits roll, did Marc/Steven get up, dress up as a chauffeur, and murder Harrow, or is Jake physically separated from M/S? In other words, does Marc have the capacity somehow to create his own doppelgängers? I tell’ya, if this series doesn’t have a second season, I’m taking back a lot of the good things I said about it. I bit my tongue during the review. I definitely think its just Jake taking over their shared body. How they aren't picking up the signs that theres a third personality is a question for later i guess but I would think they'd be smart enough to figure out that theyre losing time while Jake goes out to play. Unless the implication is that Jake took over permanently and Marc and Stephen are screaming from the mirrorverse.
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Post by Merv on May 12, 2022 18:03:25 GMT 1
Another thing I thought about is that everyone is assuming the heavy new york accent was Jake pushing through...however...the Jake we see only ever speaks Spanish. So could the new york accent be someone else?
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Post by LokisMom on May 12, 2022 18:45:42 GMT 1
Therefore, is there some mystical art, on Earth-616, that allows either Steven or Jake to exist apart from one another simultaneously? Last scene, Marc/Steven are in his apartment; credits roll; Jake is picking up Harrow. So, as the credits roll, did Marc/Steven get up, dress up as a chauffeur, and murder Harrow, or is Jake physically separated from M/S? In other words, does Marc have the capacity somehow to create his own doppelgängers? I tell’ya, if this series doesn’t have a second season, I’m taking back a lot of the good things I said about it. I bit my tongue during the review. I definitely think its just Jake taking over their shared body. How they aren't picking up the signs that theres a third personality is a question for later i guess but I would think they'd be smart enough to figure out that theyre losing time while Jake goes out to play. Unless the implication is that Jake took over permanently and Marc and Stephen are screaming from the mirrorverse. That was one of the things I brought up briefly earlier, that Marc is phasing in and out of different universes where realities are different. With the Sacred Timelines unbound in the Void, three different Marc’s are commingling, separating, commingling, etc. Harrow could be at least two separate Harrows. Reality 1) In the more mystical universe, the magician cult leader Harrow with powers on loan from a goddess is being pursing by Marc, the ex-mercenary and avatar of God Khonshu to prevent destruction of the planet. Reality 2) Doc Harrow is treating Marc, the psychotic ex-mercenary who goes by the name Jake Lockley using a talking cure out of interest in his pathology. This would be our own material universe where gods and monsters exist in our dreams, deep subconscious, or our cultural stories, but have no empirical reality. Reality 3) There is no Harrow yet in the life of Marc, man who was never a mercenary, but has retreated into a delusion of his childhood imaginary friend Steven because he can’t cope with his mother’s violent abuse over Raymond’s death and lives in London in obscurity…. until Marc the Avatar in the mystical universe #1 forces himself into Steven’s consciousness via a mirror image over in #3. This universe could be either mystical or reality based depending upon one’s thinking system…it’s Quantum Wu, or does reality create us or do we create reality?
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