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Post by Merv on Jun 22, 2023 17:17:02 GMT 1
I barely paid attention to any hype or anything leading up to the Flash. I don’t know if that helped my view of the film or not. I’m not going to say that people who touted it as amazing were lying…but I’d love to know just what they thought was so great about it. Keep in mind I’m not saying the film was bad. I also don’t hold the Dark Knight as this pinnacle of superhero filmmaking that a lot of people do. But it’s not that hard to see the flaws in the Flash even if it was still entertaining. I must admit, I probably follow industry news more than most and perhaps more than I should. Given The Flash's lengthy development cycle, it was hard to avoid the "hype" surrounding it. The reactions from early fan screenings, prominent media figures, and rumor mongers suggested a "genre defining" experience, which only added to the anticipation. However, I found myself heavily mixed on the film. While it was well executed in certain aspects, without its celebrity cameos, the film isn't much more than a glorified CW episode. If James Gunn genuinely thought this was 'the best superhero film he'd ever seen,' I'm a bit worried about the future of DC. Hopefully, his statement was just obligatory hyperbolic marketing speak. Interestingly, I've become persona non grata on another board for, once again, highlighting the failure of DC and Sony to produce coherent genre content. Marvel may be stumbling right now, but it's still the only universe I'm remotely invested in at all. I've previously criticized Sony's epically bad decision to start a Spider-Man centric shared universe without Spider-Man, and I believe I was right. Those movies will likely be relegated to the scrap heap of genre history if they haven't already. If not for the "Spider-Verse", they'd be done. Sonys Spiderless Verse has been a non starter for me. I still have yet to see either Venom or Morbius. If Kraven wasn’t Kraven I’d be more interested but I want these villains as villains, not this back door hero crap.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 22, 2023 18:11:17 GMT 1
I must admit, I probably follow industry news more than most and perhaps more than I should. Given The Flash's lengthy development cycle, it was hard to avoid the "hype" surrounding it. The reactions from early fan screenings, prominent media figures, and rumor mongers suggested a "genre defining" experience, which only added to the anticipation. However, I found myself heavily mixed on the film. While it was well executed in certain aspects, without its celebrity cameos, the film isn't much more than a glorified CW episode. If James Gunn genuinely thought this was 'the best superhero film he'd ever seen,' I'm a bit worried about the future of DC. Hopefully, his statement was just obligatory hyperbolic marketing speak. Interestingly, I've become persona non grata on another board for, once again, highlighting the failure of DC and Sony to produce coherent genre content. Marvel may be stumbling right now, but it's still the only universe I'm remotely invested in at all. I've previously criticized Sony's epically bad decision to start a Spider-Man centric shared universe without Spider-Man, and I believe I was right. Those movies will likely be relegated to the scrap heap of genre history if they haven't already. If not for the "Spider-Verse", they'd be done. Sonys Spiderless Verse has been a non starter for me. I still have yet to see either Venom or Morbius. If Kraven wasn’t Kraven I’d be more interested but I want these villains as villains, not this back door hero crap. No one can deny the increased cultural relevance that Sony has bought to Spider-Man in past decades. Still, any rational human being would have difficulty justifying that Sony is a better steward of the character today. The only saving grace for the Sony-Spider-Verse is the comparatively lower budget for each entry. They spend $60 to $75 M per entry, and all they have to do is hit billion-dollar gold with one to justify the time and effort on the other turds. If Bad Bunny or Donald Glover happens to be having a moment when their films come out, and the movie is decent, it could happen. Madame Mask, Hypno Hustler? A Kraven film that sounds like Charlie Sheen came up with the plot? "Dude… Dude… it's about Lion's Blood. If you don't have it, you don't understand. You can't stop Kraven; He. Will. Literally. Rip. Your. Nose. Off." The people who dug in deep to defend Sony (mostly to spite Disney) before these films hit the market have to take the biggest L. The fig leaf of "fun" Venom movies does not provide enough cover.
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Post by Merv on Jun 22, 2023 21:27:27 GMT 1
Sonys Spiderless Verse has been a non starter for me. I still have yet to see either Venom or Morbius. If Kraven wasn’t Kraven I’d be more interested but I want these villains as villains, not this back door hero crap. No one can deny the increased cultural relevance that Sony has bought to Spider-Man in past decades. Still, any rational human being would have difficulty justifying that Sony is a better steward of the character today. The only saving grace for the Sony-Spider-Verse is the comparatively lower budget for each entry. They spend $60 to $75 M per entry, and all they have to do is hit billion-dollar gold with one to justify the time and effort on the other turds. If Bad Bunny or Donald Glover happens to be having a moment when their films come out, and the movie is decent, it could happen. Madame Mask, Hypno Hustler? A Kraven film that sounds like Charlie Sheen came up with the plot? "Dude… Dude… it's about Lion's Blood. If you don't have, you don't understand. You can't stop Kraven; He. Will. Literally. Rip. Your. Nose. Off." The people who dug in deep to defend Sony (mostly to spite Disney) before these films hit the market have to take that walk of shame. The fig leaf of "fun" Venom movies does not provide enough cover. In hindsight I may have supported Venom 2 had I realize Andy Serkis directed it. I think Andy is a talent worth supporting. But until they realize their error and create a film based on the true arch nemesis of Spiderman, the foe too Sinister for the Six and more evil than any symbiote, old ladies better hold on to their purses, the strongest Pete in Marvel Comics...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 22, 2023 23:22:14 GMT 1
No one can deny the increased cultural relevance that Sony has bought to Spider-Man in past decades. Still, any rational human being would have difficulty justifying that Sony is a better steward of the character today. The only saving grace for the Sony-Spider-Verse is the comparatively lower budget for each entry. They spend $60 to $75 M per entry, and all they have to do is hit billion-dollar gold with one to justify the time and effort on the other turds. If Bad Bunny or Donald Glover happens to be having a moment when their films come out, and the movie is decent, it could happen. Madame Mask, Hypno Hustler? A Kraven film that sounds like Charlie Sheen came up with the plot? "Dude… Dude… it's about Lion's Blood. If you don't have, you don't understand. You can't stop Kraven; He. Will. Literally. Rip. Your. Nose. Off." The people who dug in deep to defend Sony (mostly to spite Disney) before these films hit the market have to take that walk of shame. The fig leaf of "fun" Venom movies does not provide enough cover. In hindsight I may have supported Venom 2 had I realize Andy Serkis directed it. I think Andy is a talent worth supporting. But until they realize their error and create a film based on the true arch nemesis of Spiderman, the foe too Sinister for the Six and more evil than any symbiote, old ladies better hold on to their purses, the strongest Pete in Marvel Comics... LOL! Bad guy: "What did you say your name was?" Paste. Pot. Pete?" (bad guy chuckles) Pete steps out of the shadows with glowing eyes. PPP: "You ain't gonna think life's so funny, pal... once I've covered you in paste!" Summer 2026: Smell the Fumes!The really funny thing is, you honestly can't rule it out, and there will be someone that inevitably says, "We should give this a chance because it will be better than anything Disney does."
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 24, 2023 4:42:01 GMT 1
copy and pasted my comment from the mothership forum (v1/Monkeys):
Really good. Immediately became one of my favorite comic book films. Only a few that beat it imo
Didnt care for Ezra as the Flash before but he carries the film. DC chose very well with this director. Script is tight
The most comic book-y film ever but they made it work oh so well
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 24, 2023 4:43:38 GMT 1
170mil now at the Box Office. Could it have legs?
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 24, 2023 6:50:44 GMT 1
copy and pasted my comment from the mothership forum (v1/Monkeys): Really good. Immediately became one of my favorite comic book films. Only a few that beat it imo Didnt care for Ezra as the Flash before but he carries the film. DC chose very well with this director. Script is tight The most comic book-y film ever but they made it work oh so well
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Post by charzhino on Jun 24, 2023 21:30:04 GMT 1
Deserves to flop. Only realised a few days ago the writer is the same one who wrote Birds of Prey, and it shows because the writing sucks!! I could tell from he opening scene with the unrealistic, unfunny ''wait for your sandwich'' skit they were doing that this type of lame tryhard comedy was gonna be a recurring theme in the film.
Other random annoying things, spoilers:
Why is the younger Barry so frickin super annoying with that stupid laugh he does? I get it hes meant to be obnoxious but the creative choice to have him insufferable is not a good choice if you want the audience to get behind him. They made his character a complete dufus. After older Barry gives him a pep talk, I was like finally, younger Barry is gonna understand the situation hes in. But nope, fast forward to when theyre in the Batplane heading to war, hes filming Supergirl, making jokes about future children and doing some silly neck turn gag to close out the scene. Yeah he totally is still a goofball thats oblivious to the thought of going into his first battle against a newly landed alien species.
What was with the creative decision to play that awful pop/techno music score during the big battle scene when the Flashes are doing their thing? Totally out of tone with the scenario on-screen.
Why is Keaton's Bruce Wayne a castaway-like crazy hobo when we first see him, trying to attack and kill the 2 Barrys like a madman yet 5 minutes later he becomes normal, sane, civilized Bruce talking articulately about time travel physics. Just so jarring.
Why did older Barry interfere at the end by moving the tomato cans to the top shelf so his dad could be seen on CCTV? Didnt we just see that Barry acknowledges he shouldnt time travel and try to change things in the past...yet he still does it anyway. WTF the whole movie was leading up to that realization.
DCEU started with having their own identity with The Man of Steel but ends in a sorry state with a hapless attempt to clone the Disney-MCU formula.
5/10
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 24, 2023 23:30:09 GMT 1
170mil now at the Box Office. Could it have legs? Yes, assuming they're both broken.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 25, 2023 6:38:47 GMT 1
Grandmaster , anothermarvelguy , anthonyrocks , ar33 , ArArArchStanton , archelaus , bodawg70 , AQUA CAT! , Chalice_Of_Evil , chalk3 , Rex Manning , charzhino , constructioncutie , crisisvarietyhour , cyberneticshark , darkmagician1971 , Dave Stoller , detour , equality72521 , gameboy ,@ghostyghostington, gromel , hatseflats , AQUA KEN! , hobowar , hyundaifromyuggoth , jacklaridian , AQUA JAMES! , Jan El Señor , Jayman , jermainewatson , josephjoestar1 , jrent2000 , justanaveragejoe , Lilith , Loki , Lord Ackbar , Lord Death Man , lordofthunder , mannyfresh , marieke , maximura , Merv , miike80 , monicah , movieliker , myachingackbarraddus , Nightman , penneh ,@phistosgauntlet, Indiana Jones , AQUA JAR!™ , primemcgee , ramz , RiP, IMDb , sallythemcugirl , AQUA SALZ! , sendherbud ,@shadyvsesham , shieldmaidensa , spiderman2099 , Spike Del Rey , $portsFan , springheeljack1837 , taylorfirst1 , AQUA EDGE! , BATCOW™ , thestannimal , thisguy4000 , travisbeyond , trekkersdelight , UniSol GR77 , vegasthanos , vincentvanspock , wickedkittiesmom , winterking , AQUA RAPTOR! , I guess I can understand those points. The movie for me personally didnt drag at all. The flashpoint animated movie was superior to this. I have one big criticism for the live-action version. Where the hell was a real Flash villain? Where was Reverse Flash? Why the hell are we revisiting Zod? Flash has quite the Rogue's Gallery lol I also didnt like the homeless, hippyish intro to Batman. Thought it was so weird... They definitely couldve chosen a story for the Flash that was more original too George at the end was wtf but I guess we'll find out soon enough with what's going on there. Part of the reboot plans? So thats how they show Aquaman then? Not Atlantis and Themyscira fighting each other..boo
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 27, 2023 1:21:44 GMT 1
72% second weekend drop.
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Post by Merv on Jun 27, 2023 2:01:43 GMT 1
Grandmaster , anothermarvelguy , anthonyrocks , ar33 , ArArArchStanton , archelaus , bodawg70 , AQUA CAT! , Chalice_Of_Evil , chalk3 , Rex Manning , charzhino , constructioncutie , crisisvarietyhour , cyberneticshark , darkmagician1971 , Dave Stoller , detour , equality72521 , gameboy ,@ghostyghostington, gromel , hatseflats , AQUA KEN! , hobowar , hyundaifromyuggoth , jacklaridian , AQUA JAMES! , Jan El Señor , Jayman , jermainewatson , josephjoestar1 , jrent2000 , justanaveragejoe , Lilith , Loki , Lord Ackbar , Lord Death Man , lordofthunder , mannyfresh , marieke , maximura , Merv , miike80 , monicah , movieliker , myachingackbarraddus , Nightman , penneh ,@phistosgauntlet, Indiana Jones , AQUA JAR!™ , primemcgee , ramz , RiP, IMDb , sallythemcugirl , AQUA SALZ! , sendherbud ,@shadyvsesham , shieldmaidensa , spiderman2099 , Spike Del Rey , $portsFan , springheeljack1837 , taylorfirst1 , AQUA EDGE! , BATCOW™ , thestannimal , thisguy4000 , travisbeyond , trekkersdelight , UniSol GR77 , vegasthanos , vincentvanspock , wickedkittiesmom , winterking , AQUA RAPTOR! , I guess I can understand those points. The movie for me personally didnt drag at all. T he flashpoint animated movie was superior to this. I have one big criticism for the live-action version. Where the hell was a real Flash villain? Where was Reverse Flash? Why the hell are we revisiting Zod? Flash has quite the Rogue's Gallery lolI also didnt like the homeless, hippyish intro to Batman. Thought it was so weird... They definitely couldve chosen a story for the Flash that was more original too George at the end was wtf but I guess we'll find out soon enough with what's going on there. Part of the reboot plans? So thats how they show Aquaman then? Not Atlantis and Themyscira fighting each other..boo Agreed. As a huge fan of flash villains it's disappointing that they didn't do anything with his rogues gallery. They couldnt have come across any cheesier than microwaved babies. However I think they had their hands full with the plot and don't think adding in the Atlantis-Themyscira War to the mix would've helped the film. Even though I do love that aspect in the comics.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 28, 2023 17:54:35 GMT 1
Here's a thought. Compared to "The Flash" and "Shazam! Fury of the Gods", "Black Adam" looks like a hit!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 28, 2023 18:09:25 GMT 1
Here's a thought. Compared to "The Flash" and "Shazam! Fury of the Gods", "Black Adam" looks like a hit! Lol DC had three bombs in a row. And I dont have the feeling Blue Beetle is turning that around.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 28, 2023 18:11:27 GMT 1
Here's a thought. Compared to "The Flash" and "Shazam! Fury of the Gods", "Black Adam" looks like a hit! Does it ever… - Shazam 2 (Shazam! Fury of the Gods): $133,783,006 - Black Adam: $393,252,111 - The Flash (2023): $212,503,550
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 28, 2023 18:15:02 GMT 1
Here's a thought. Compared to "The Flash" and "Shazam! Fury of the Gods", "Black Adam" looks like a hit! Lol DC had three bombs in a row. And I dont have the feeling Blue Beetle is turning that around. There's an Oppenheimer joke in here somewhere.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 29, 2023 10:25:02 GMT 1
Lol DC had three bombs in a row. And I dont have the feeling Blue Beetle is turning that around. There's an Oppenheimer joke in here somewhere. Dont be cruel now lol
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 1, 2023 4:57:56 GMT 1
I think it’s official if it wasn’t already. The DCEU is a near total disaster that they never wanted to make and it shows. A near constant series of mistakes and/or attempts to correct them, and I don’t think they can ever recover. Batman’s novelty has worn off, they have no confidence in superman, they put Wonder Woman in the dumpster, nobody cares about flash, Aquaman was never a lead, and they’ve got no other depth to turn to. I’ve often said DC deserved no more than being a set of happy meal toys and that’s about where they need to head now.
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Post by Merv on Jul 1, 2023 12:37:32 GMT 1
I think it’s official if it wasn’t already. The DCEU is a near total disaster that they never wanted to make and it shows. A near constant series of mistakes and/or attempts to correct them, and I don’t think they can ever recover. Batman’s novelty has worn off, they have no confidence in superman, they put Wonder Woman in the dumpster, nobody cares about flash, Aquaman was never a lead, and they’ve got no other depth to turn to. I’ve often said DC deserved no more than being a set of happy meal toys and that’s about where they need to head now. The DCEU road map was crap from the start. That felt obvious even 7 years ago. Starting with Man of Steel was fine. Superman is one of their big 3, but moving from that to a versus battle between him and Batman which is essentially a Justice League film felt too fast and killed off the only character with a solo movie under his belt at that time. Which felt like a waste even then because you knew they weren't gonna just leave Superman dead for the rest of the DCEU. Then the third film was Suicide Squad which had nothing to do with anything and had an identity crisis because they decided halfway through they wanted it to be lighthearted. It gave us Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn and for that Im grateful but it was way too early in this franchises infancy to focus on a ragtag group of outcasts that don't seemingly matter to the larger scope of things. Then you had Wonder Woman which was decent and then immediately thrust into a Justice League movie that sucked. Then Covid and that kind of hurt everything but at the same time you had stinkers like Birds of Prey and WW84 get released and really just tarnish the overall image even more. Flash forward to recently where they announce the universe is going to be defunct and yet theyre still releasing the films...which hey, if theyre all done anyhow more power to you, but I for one am not surprised at all that they are box office flops. With all the things in this world vying for consumer dollars why would Joe Moviegoer spent his money on a product he know is leading nowhere? On top of a general superhero fatigue the DCEU is 'going out of business' and I think even fans of DC heroes and comics are coming at these films with a 'whats the point?' mentality and are just ready to see what the new regime is gonna do. It just felt like they were trying to build a house by starting with the windows. The WB impatience only hurt their own brand to the point where James Gunn really does have his work cut out for him to try to get people back on board and trusting that a DC movie is worth going to see.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jul 28, 2023 18:42:35 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Aug 29, 2023 17:52:07 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Dec 20, 2023 22:29:45 GMT 1
Report: Sasha Calle to not return as Supergirl in DCU.
www.cbr.com/sasha-calle-report-supergirl-dcu/Unfortunate. I'm not gonna say she was a spot on Supergirl, but she had a really unique look to her. More of a Faora vibe than a Kara, to me. But I did enjoy her for what little time we had with her.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 20, 2023 23:26:31 GMT 1
Report: Sasha Calle to not return as Supergirl in DCU.
www.cbr.com/sasha-calle-report-supergirl-dcu/Unfortunate. I'm not gonna say she was a spot on Supergirl, but she had a really unique look to her. More of a Faora vibe than a Kara, to me. But I did enjoy her for what little time we had with her. I feel sorry for Sasha Calle. I thought she was one of the only semi-decent parts of that whole movie.
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