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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 5, 2020 2:01:44 GMT 1
So I've thought for years that our news media is one of the biggest problems we have, and I don't mean any specific outlet. I think they're all about misleading headlines and slanted coverage. All of them. I want to be clear up front that I'm not taking sides. It's an absolute nightmare to try and find what really happened in a story because it's constantly clouded in whatever politics whoever is writing it wants to play.
But I heard new bodycam footage was out on the George Floyd death, and I have to tell you guys, after watching this, it is my opinion that the coverage has been an emotional manipulation by the media.
This video is 8 straight minutes of George resisting arrest and claiming he can't breath due to claustrophobia well before he was ever on the ground. He literally says "I can't breath" while he's standing up, and while he's in the back of a car, before then voluntarily lying on the ground himself. The media convinced you that his cry that he couldn't breathe was about his neck being crushed, but once it's clear that he was saying that before that, it becomes very difficult to blame the officer for a man who appeared to be saying anything to avoid arrest. George simply could not be taken seriously at that point.
A few other notes, he had just been sitting in a car, and so the idea that he's too claustrophobic doesn't seem legit. Even if there is some reason that would be realistic, the guy also lies in the video about when his mother died, saying it was very recently when in fact she had been dead for two years. Another fact is that George is on drugs. And something else that seems clear is that the officers throughout this video were very reasonable. A gun is pulled but it's only when George's right hand is hidden and he refused to show it when asked leading the officer to have reason to be concerned over a weapon. The gun is holstered the moment George finally complies.
Now, did the officer press too hard with his knee leading to George's death? Perhaps so, I'm not attempting to say he is entirely innocent, and I am deeply sorry that the event led to someone's death. But what I am saying is that there is no sign of racism, there is no sign of blatant force, and George is not only on drugs, but is clearly resisting arrest. The officers here actually show extraordinary patience in dealing with him.
The media's manipulation of this as some blatant abuse of power to me is what needs to be protested. We don't just deserve to have trustworthy news, we need it. We can't continue to have these divisive news outlets that will paint stories so that you only see the picture they want you to see. And I feel strongly enough about this to post this rare social commentary about an obviously touchy subject. I hope you all understand.
If you feel differently, that's fine, just please watch the entire video and point out to me where the cops went wrong in a criminal way.
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Post by equality72521 on Aug 5, 2020 4:53:09 GMT 1
While the video certainly paints a different picture from the media narrative, it doesn't really matter as the narrative will always be the same:
White people = bad
Cops = very bad
White cop = the devil walking among us
No amount of objective facts are ever going to change anything.
And let's face it: if it hadn't been Floyd, it would have been someone else.
That said, are there problems with how policing is done in the US? Yup.
Is there a "race problem" in the US? Yes. And it's way bigger than either "side" wants to admit.
Do these problems need to be addressed? Absolutely.
Will they ever be addressed? Not while the people calling for "a dialogue" insist on making it a monologue. Not while the "offended party" refuses to admit their own racism. Not while the reaction to a terrible event is to act in a manner that demonstrates every negative stereotype held by the "other side." And certainly not while professional activists will always find something to complain about.
Rinse and repeat until all your hair falls out, the drain clogs, and the pipes break. If you were a renter, this is where you'd call the landlord to complain, but you realize that you're the homeowner and it's all on you.
So you blame the plumbing sub-contractor.
So it goes....
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 5, 2020 4:59:10 GMT 1
While the video certainly paints a different picture from the media narrative, it doesn't really matter as the narrative will always be the same: White people = bad Cops = very bad White cop = the devil walking among us No amount of objective facts are ever going to change anything. And let's face it: if it hadn't been Floyd, it would have been someone else. That said, are there problems with how policing is done in the US? Yup. Is there a "race problem" in the US? Yes. And it's way bigger than either "side" wants to admit. Do these problems need to be addressed? Absolutely. Will they ever be addressed? Not while the people calling for "a dialogue" insist on making it a monologue. Not while the "offended party" refuses to admit their own racism. Not while the reaction to a terrible event is to act in a manner that demonstrates every negative stereotype held by the "other side." And certainly not while professional activists will always find something to complain about. Rinse and repeat until all your hair falls out, the drain clogs, and the pipes break. If you were a renter, this is where you'd call the landlord to complain, but you realize that you're the homeowner and it's all on you. So you blame the plumbing sub-contractor. So it goes.... Couldn't agree more, well said
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 5, 2020 5:30:47 GMT 1
This is a hot topic. I choose not to get involved in the discussion but I will keep an eye on this thread to make sure the discussion stays polite and respectful.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 5, 2020 5:59:55 GMT 1
This is a hot topic. I choose not to get involved in the discussion but I will keep an eye on this thread to make sure the discussion stays polite and respectful. Understood! No pressure ;-) It is a hot topic, but really I'm looking at it like a legal case. The question is more, what evidence is there to support what charge of wrongful death. And also, why did the media not release this tape sooner for such a large national case?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 6:52:11 GMT 1
This is a hot topic. I choose not to get involved in the discussion but I will keep an eye on this thread to make sure the discussion stays polite and respectful. Understood! No pressure ;-) It is a hot topic, but really I'm looking at it like a legal case. The question is more, what evidence is there to support what charge of wrongful death. And also, why did the media not release this tape sooner for such a large national case? As the cop had his knee on Floyd for 8 minutes or an extended period of time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 6:54:48 GMT 1
There's the martyr called George Floyd for all to bear witness. Claustrophobic rigghhht...um what were you doing driving a car in the first place. Just the radical left and the dems seizing the moment to score political points, that is all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 7:02:03 GMT 1
While the video certainly paints a different picture from the media narrative, it doesn't really matter as the narrative will always be the same: White people = bad Cops = very bad White cop = the devil walking among us No amount of objective facts are ever going to change anything. And let's face it: if it hadn't been Floyd, it would have been someone else. That said, are there problems with how policing is done in the US? Yup. Is there a "race problem" in the US? Yes. And it's way bigger than either "side" wants to admit. Do these problems need to be addressed? Absolutely. Will they ever be addressed? Not while the people calling for "a dialogue" insist on making it a monologue. Not while the "offended party" refuses to admit their own racism. Not while the reaction to a terrible event is to act in a manner that demonstrates every negative stereotype held by the "other side." And certainly not while professional activists will always find something to complain about. Rinse and repeat until all your hair falls out, the drain clogs, and the pipes break. If you were a renter, this is where you'd call the landlord to complain, but you realize that you're the homeowner and it's all on you. So you blame the plumbing sub-contractor. So it goes.... There is a racism problem but it's definitely not systemic like they claim it is. Most police are good. Even in that video, there was no sign of racism unless I missed something. Sure there's racism everywhere but it's like bullying, you cant stop it. It's human nature. Some family members hate each other so how can racism be fully eradicated? Plenty of African Americans are successful and some extremely wealthy. Some are bosses of white people. White people are poor too. This narrative that African Americans are a certain way is plainly false
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 5, 2020 7:18:27 GMT 1
Understood! No pressure ;-) It is a hot topic, but really I'm looking at it like a legal case. The question is more, what evidence is there to support what charge of wrongful death. And also, why did the media not release this tape sooner for such a large national case? As the cop had his knee on Floyd for 8 minutes or an extended period of time And that's why I support whatever charges that warrants, I'm just not sure that it meets the legal definition of murder. It seems to be voluntary manslaughter if I had to guess right now, but I'm no lawyer. The thing I wanted to highlight is that nobody covered that for the 8 minutes before that the officers seem to have conducted themselves very professionally and it was george who continuously resisted arrest and ultimately crawled to the ground himself to be in that position. And that his cry of "I can't breathe" was about his claiming to have claustrophobia when he'd just been sitting in a car. Also he lied about his mother as a part of resisting arrest. I feel as though the media didn't play those 8 minutes, because then the headline would start to be "just cooperate with police" as it would have been pretty clear that if he had, he'd be sitting safely in the back of that squad car. But I have to conclude they wanted the emotional headline everybody would react to so they left all of that out. It obviously ended badly and I'll reiterate whatever charges are warranted, I support. But it needs to be part of the discussion that there is no evidence of racism and they were dealing with an uncooperative suspect who lied, left them in doubt if he had a weapon, was intoxicated, and thrashed about throwing himself on the ground. The media can't leave these details out. They're an important part of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:20:41 GMT 1
As the cop had his knee on Floyd for 8 minutes or an extended period of time And that's why I support whatever charges that warrants, I'm just not sure that it meets the legal definition of murder. It seems to be voluntary manslaughter if I had to guess right now, but I'm no lawyer. The thing I wanted to highlight is that nobody covered that for the 8 minutes before that the officers seem to have conducted themselves very professionally and it was george who continuously resisted arrest and ultimately crawled to the ground himself to be in that position. And that his cry of "I can't breathe" was about his claiming to have claustrophobia when he'd just been sitting in a car. Also he lied about his mother as a part of resisting arrest. I feel as though the media didn't play those 8 minutes, because then the headline would start to be "just cooperate with police" as it would have been pretty clear that if he had, he'd be sitting safely in the back of that squad car. But I have to conclude they wanted the emotional headline everybody would react to so they left all of that out. It obviously ended badly and I'll reiterate whatever charges are warranted, I support. But it needs to be part of the discussion that there is no evidence of racism and they were dealing with an uncooperative suspect who lied, left them in doubt if he had a weapon, was intoxicated, and thrashed about throwing himself on the ground. The media can't leave these details out. They're an important part of the story. Well, it definitely wouldnt be murder as that requires intent. Strange situation to be in. Ah officer why did you have your knee on him for so long? Ummm good question
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2020 1:25:27 GMT 1
And that's why I support whatever charges that warrants, I'm just not sure that it meets the legal definition of murder. It seems to be voluntary manslaughter if I had to guess right now, but I'm no lawyer. The thing I wanted to highlight is that nobody covered that for the 8 minutes before that the officers seem to have conducted themselves very professionally and it was george who continuously resisted arrest and ultimately crawled to the ground himself to be in that position. And that his cry of "I can't breathe" was about his claiming to have claustrophobia when he'd just been sitting in a car. Also he lied about his mother as a part of resisting arrest. I feel as though the media didn't play those 8 minutes, because then the headline would start to be "just cooperate with police" as it would have been pretty clear that if he had, he'd be sitting safely in the back of that squad car. But I have to conclude they wanted the emotional headline everybody would react to so they left all of that out. It obviously ended badly and I'll reiterate whatever charges are warranted, I support. But it needs to be part of the discussion that there is no evidence of racism and they were dealing with an uncooperative suspect who lied, left them in doubt if he had a weapon, was intoxicated, and thrashed about throwing himself on the ground. The media can't leave these details out. They're an important part of the story. Well, it definitely wouldnt be murder as that requires intent. Strange situation to be in. Ah officer why did you have your knee on him for so long? Ummm good question I leave such judgements to the court. I don't have a knowledge of proper procedure or the exact events. My only point here was discussing what IMO seems to be a clear misrepresentation of events as evidenced by the fact that this video has been withheld.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:34:54 GMT 1
Well, it definitely wouldnt be murder as that requires intent. Strange situation to be in. Ah officer why did you have your knee on him for so long? Ummm good question I leave such judgements to the court. I don't have a knowledge of proper procedure or the exact events. My only point here was discussing what IMO seems to be a clear misrepresentation of events as evidenced by the fact that this video has been withheld. Not sure that would have changed much. People already know about his criminal history. Also he still ended up dead in a bad way. They ignore all the black on black crime
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2020 1:46:12 GMT 1
I leave such judgements to the court. I don't have a knowledge of proper procedure or the exact events. My only point here was discussing what IMO seems to be a clear misrepresentation of events as evidenced by the fact that this video has been withheld. Not sure that would have changed much. People already know about his criminal history. Also he still ended up dead in a bad way. They ignore all the black on black crime I think a number of things change. For one, the cops seems to be acting in a patient and reasonable manner. There is no sign of any abuse or overt racism. Also it was all precipitated by a consistent effort to resist arrest, which means his being restrained was entirely of his own making. And the tagline "I can't breathe" is about george claiming to have claustrophobia, but it was used to demonize the cops. I'm not saying the cop is innocent, but the portrayal of events has been misrepresented. And I'm more concerned that it was done with intent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:49:48 GMT 1
Not sure that would have changed much. People already know about his criminal history. Also he still ended up dead in a bad way. They ignore all the black on black crime I think a number of things change. For one, the cops seems to be acting in a patient and reasonable manner. There is no sign of any abuse or overt racism. Also it was all precipitated by a consistent effort to resist arrest, which means his being restrained was entirely of his own making. And the tagline "I can't breathe" is about george claiming to have claustrophobia, but it was used to demonize the cops. I'm not saying the cop is innocent, but the portrayal of events has been misrepresented. And I'm more concerned that it was done with intent. Well, there was that other video before and no one cared. It also showed what happened before the death but with no audio I think
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2020 2:00:47 GMT 1
I think a number of things change. For one, the cops seems to be acting in a patient and reasonable manner. There is no sign of any abuse or overt racism. Also it was all precipitated by a consistent effort to resist arrest, which means his being restrained was entirely of his own making. And the tagline "I can't breathe" is about george claiming to have claustrophobia, but it was used to demonize the cops. I'm not saying the cop is innocent, but the portrayal of events has been misrepresented. And I'm more concerned that it was done with intent. Well, there was that other video before and no one cared. It also showed what happened before the death but with no audio I think That's what I mean. And I think the media jumps on what they know hypes people up instead of giving the full story.
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