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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 20:48:57 GMT 1
Yeah, Im not convinced Wanda picked him. I think the entity (ab)using Wanda picked him to get her and Vision back in line. Yeah theres something else going on, she didnt consciously manifest him. I've seen theories it could be mephisto in disguise but I'm looking forward to the explanation, whatever it is. Me too. You see. We can find common ground if we come from different angles. I really enjoyed Wandavision. Until that last scene made me anxious. However, I trust Marvel Studios to know what they are doing. So Im more curious than anxious.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2021 20:50:19 GMT 1
Yeah, Im not convinced Wanda picked him. I think the entity (ab)using Wanda picked him to get her and Vision back in line. Yeah theres something else going on, she didnt consciously manifest him. I've seen theories it could be mephisto in disguise but I'm looking forward to the explanation, whatever it is. I agree. I’ve been using the name Mephisto as a placeholder but it could be a few people. It maybe even just be Agatha. Norm asking to “make her stop” has me suspicious it is just Agnes
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 20:52:53 GMT 1
Yeah theres something else going on, she didnt consciously manifest him. I've seen theories it could be mephisto in disguise but I'm looking forward to the explanation, whatever it is. I agree. I’ve been using the name Mephisto as a placeholder but it could be a few people. It maybe even just be Agatha. Norm asking to “make her stop” has me suspicious it is just Agnes And I think that may be only what Norm thinks. But Agnes was also terrified. Remember her conversation with Herb and Vision at the garden wall? Agnes is doing some one else's bidding as well. Ralph? I dont know... ONe thing is for sure. Its going to be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 20:59:34 GMT 1
I haven’t seen the series yet, but I just can’t see why they’d use that specific actor if not to signal more to come. Perhaps it is just a fun nod at the fans of the past movies? Seems a little too random though. Why not just get Aaron Taylor Thomas?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:01:03 GMT 1
There's been different versions of the Xmen that have existed in the comics for years. Why not apply that to the cinematic universe as well? The MCU can still have their own version of the Xmen and the Fox-Marvel can still exist along with it, but on a different earth. This is a trillion dollar idea. I dont think its feasible to bring back Patrik Stewart and McKellen, they are too old. And most of Kinbergs younger cast wasnt that well received or liked. Only Fassbender, McAvoy and possibly Tye Sheridan are re-doable. The rest were meh cos the writing of their characters killed them. Whilst it is a cool idea, I cant see how you can practically put it forward if you have 2 sets of the same characters but in different universes. Unless Wanda decided to cherry pick a handful of characters like shes seemingly done with Quicksilver as its her brother. I think it’ll be like what the Spider-Man multiverse is shaping up to be. Some familiar actors in old roles, but with new designs and possibly new backstories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:06:15 GMT 1
I agree. I’ve been using the name Mephisto as a placeholder but it could be a few people. It maybe even just be Agatha. Norm asking to “make her stop” has me suspicious it is just Agnes And I think that may be only what Norm thinks. But Agnes was also terrified. Remember her conversation with Herb and Vision at the garden wall? Agnes is doing some one else's bidding as well. Ralph? I dont know... ONe thing is for sure. Its going to be interesting. There is a strong precedent for it being Mephy from the comic book story Wandavision is based on.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2021 21:18:19 GMT 1
I haven’t seen the series yet, but I just can’t see why they’d use that specific actor if not to signal more to come. Perhaps it is just a fun nod at the fans of the past movies? Seems a little too random though. Why not just get Aaron Taylor Thomas? It’s an Easter egg. And Easter eggs of course don’t mean all of the stuff they're based on exist literally. At least I think it’s an Easter Egg the way it’s been presented. Aaron Tyler’s version is dead so the method they use would necessitate someone else playing the part. If they used Aaron something else entirely would be going on. They haven’t absolutely confirmed anything but I sure wouldn’t put money on foxverse based on what I saw.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2021 21:20:07 GMT 1
Okay incase this thread gets locked up, I'm just going to lay this out here.
I see Unlimited opportunities and potential for this Multiverse concept.
So many different versions of characters from different Earths, like having Tom Cruise as Iron Man for example, and it would be so much fun to see it explored.
Like imagine a Earth that is gender bent version of the MCU where instead of a Steve Rogers and Tony Stark we get a Stephanie Rogers and Tanya Stark?
It would be so much fun!
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 21:22:16 GMT 1
Okay incase this thread gets locked up, I'm just going to lay this out here. I see Unlimited opportunities and potential for this Multiverse concept. So many different versions of characters from different Earths, like having Tom Cruise as Iron Man for example, and it would be so much fun to see it explored. Like imagine a Earth that is gender bent version of the MCU where instead of a Steve Rogers and Tony Stark we get a Stephanie Rogers and Tanya Stark? It would be so much fun! Im not gonna lock the thread. Unless Ackbar and Arch start posting conception pics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:41:32 GMT 1
Okay incase this thread gets locked up, I'm just going to lay this out here. I see Unlimited opportunities and potential for this Multiverse concept. So many different versions of characters from different Earths, like having Tom Cruise as Iron Man for example, and it would be so much fun to see it explored. Like imagine a Earth that is gender bent version of the MCU where instead of a Steve Rogers and Tony Stark we get a Stephanie Rogers and Tanya Stark? It would be so much fun! Im not gonna lock the thread. Unless Ackbar and Arch start posting conception pics. DO NOT DENY US HOT TOCU BENEDICTO-ON-SQUID ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111qaa@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 7, 2021 21:56:18 GMT 1
Im not gonna lock the thread. Unless Ackbar and Arch start posting conception pics. DO NOT DENY US HOT TOCU BENEDICTO-ON-SQUID ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111qaa@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ It would be a violation of the TOS. I would not have any other choice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:13:19 GMT 1
I haven’t seen the series yet, but I just can’t see why they’d use that specific actor if not to signal more to come. Perhaps it is just a fun nod at the fans of the past movies? Seems a little too random though. Why not just get Aaron Taylor Thomas? It’s an Easter egg. And Easter eggs of course don’t mean all of the stuff they're based on exist literally. At least I think it’s an Easter Egg the way it’s been presented. Aaron Tyler’s version is dead so the method they use would necessitate someone else playing the part. If they used Aaron something else entirely would be going on. They haven’t absolutely confirmed anything but I sure wouldn’t put money on foxverse based on what I saw. So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 8, 2021 20:27:17 GMT 1
It’s an Easter egg. And Easter eggs of course don’t mean all of the stuff they're based on exist literally. At least I think it’s an Easter Egg the way it’s been presented. Aaron Tyler’s version is dead so the method they use would necessitate someone else playing the part. If they used Aaron something else entirely would be going on. They haven’t absolutely confirmed anything but I sure wouldn’t put money on foxverse based on what I saw. So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts To me its the lazy way out. Im actually curious how they will do it. I think they will introduce mutants slowly over phase 4 and 5 before we get to an X-men movie in 2025 or so.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 8, 2021 20:27:43 GMT 1
It’s an Easter egg. And Easter eggs of course don’t mean all of the stuff they're based on exist literally. At least I think it’s an Easter Egg the way it’s been presented. Aaron Tyler’s version is dead so the method they use would necessitate someone else playing the part. If they used Aaron something else entirely would be going on. They haven’t absolutely confirmed anything but I sure wouldn’t put money on foxverse based on what I saw. So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts I know the Xmen introduction is complicated. I want to say that right away so we have to be open. But I do honestly think that using the multiverse concept in that way is just a lazy way out of those questions. You could do that with anything. It’s avoiding continuity completely just to have whatever you want show up any time you need it with no work necessary. And perhaps the bigger problem would be that being stranded in a world that isn’t their own then becomes the core Xmen story. I’m just not sure that’s the most creative or interesting way to go about this.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 8, 2021 20:31:37 GMT 1
It’s an Easter egg. And Easter eggs of course don’t mean all of the stuff they're based on exist literally. At least I think it’s an Easter Egg the way it’s been presented. Aaron Tyler’s version is dead so the method they use would necessitate someone else playing the part. If they used Aaron something else entirely would be going on. They haven’t absolutely confirmed anything but I sure wouldn’t put money on foxverse based on what I saw. So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts BTW - I have thought about one possible workaround for this. Stay tuned. I’ve got to take a call and I’ll post it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:33:38 GMT 1
So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts BTW - I have thought about one possible workaround for this. Stay tuned. I’ve got to take a call and I’ll post it. The other idea I’ve seen floated is some kind of event that causes people to turn into instant mutants. I’m not a fan of that one at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 21:24:32 GMT 1
BTW - I have thought about one possible workaround for this. Stay tuned. I’ve got to take a call and I’ll post it. The other idea I’ve seen floated is some kind of event that causes people to turn into instant mutants. I’m not a fan of that one at all. Not instant Mutations, but starts drawing them out more. Species tend to evole to adapt to hard situations faster when they're collectively put under mass duress. Like having half the human population suddenly vanish and the world descend into chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 21:59:19 GMT 1
The other idea I’ve seen floated is some kind of event that causes people to turn into instant mutants. I’m not a fan of that one at all. Not instant Mutations, but starts drawing them out more. Species tend to evole to adapt to hard situations faster when they're collectively put under mass duress. Like having half the human population suddenly vanish and the world descend into chaos. That’s not how evolution works. Without selective processes (people dying before they can pass genes to off spring) evolution does not occur.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 22:01:55 GMT 1
Not instant Mutations, but starts drawing them out more. Species tend to evole to adapt to hard situations faster when they're collectively put under mass duress. Like having half the human population suddenly vanish and the world descend into chaos. That’s not how evolution works. Without selective processes (people dying before they can pass genes to off spring) evolution does not occur. Neither are the X-Men. Comic book movies are full of nonsense posing as science anyway, so does scientific accuracy really matter? It's still better than using the Multiverse as a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 0:01:55 GMT 1
That’s not how evolution works. Without selective processes (people dying before they can pass genes to off spring) evolution does not occur. Neither are the X-Men. Comic book movies are full of nonsense posing as science anyway, so does scientific accuracy really matter? It's still better than using the Multiverse as a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card. Oh.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 9, 2021 2:34:56 GMT 1
So former cast aside, what would you think if the X Men (with a new cast and as new versions of the characters) are introduced via the multiverse? Perhaps like my idea above, where they’re mutants from an alternate Earth that get permanently stranded here, or some other scenario where they come from a parallel reality? I think it would be a great way of, among other things, avoiding the obvious question of how they could’ve been in the McU this whole time in secret. I mean, how could they say that Prof X and his team just stood in the shadows for all these events? The multiverse kinda fixes that, no? I’m curious on your thoughts BTW - I have thought about one possible workaround for this. Stay tuned. I’ve got to take a call and I’ll post it. So my promised “workaround” for a multiverse idea that I think could have some weight to it. SPOILER ALERT - they aren’t doing this A real “Age of Apocalypse” Start the X-Men off in a seemingly unrelated universe and play out a multi film series where various teams are in a dystopian Age of Apocalypse. The solution results in them fixing the world as they did in the comics, but the result is that the MCU as we know it is that resulting world. Now the key is that it can’t just be the MCU world randomly. There would need to be reasons built in why it’s this world and not any other random world. But again, they aren’t doing that. I just wanted to put it out there as an example of a more complex “multiverse” entrance than just “they showed up”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 2:37:55 GMT 1
Some implications I don't think are being considered: (this is not in response to Arch's post)
If the X-Men HAVE to be Multiverse aliens, then I don't see how it's even possible to have them go on all the weirder adventures from the comics and have it actually matter. If Scott Summers isn't from the MCU Earth, then what is he to the Starjammers if he's not the son of their leader? And if the Starammers aren't from the MCU universe, either, then what's the purpose in having them since the empire they're rebelling against is in a different universe? And that's just a couple of examples of how this will completely undermine any emotional impact a huge number of their adventures would otherwise have if they were native to the main MCU Earth. What are they to the Hellfire Club? Why would the Hellfire Club even exist in the MCU universe if there are no Mutants? What are they to Wanda Maximoff? What is Storm to The Shadow Lord and the African tribe in Kenya? What are they to anyone or anything in the main MCU setting if they're not from there? How will even be possible for there to be multiple, warring factions of them if they're just a random group of individuals who popped in through a portal? Things like The Brotherhood and the Morlocks take time become a thing, and no amount of Multiverse shortcuts will change that.
You seeing where I'm going with this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 4:04:56 GMT 1
Starting from scratch, The Infinity Stones, or They Were There The Entire Time, or some combination thereof. I like the idea of there being a tiny number of Mutants who were there all along and then the Mutant population got a boost from The Snap aftermath, due to a large number of young Mutants with formerly inactive X-genes manifesting their powers due to the stress and grief of living in a Post-Apocalyptic Hellscape. Yes, this is starting small, but so did the MCU.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 9, 2021 5:34:36 GMT 1
Several good ideas here and I have one favorite but first I’d like to tackle something they said in number six, that we all accept that actor limitations prevent characters from showing up in every film. I say no. No that is not why we accept that. We accept that because the larger narrative means these characters are likely busy doing other things. The “why didn’t x show up” question isn’t best answered by “actor x was busy”. It’s best answered by “character x was busy” So my favorite is Charles did it. I like that he’s been shielding various events that maybe did occur and thus start the MCU Xmen with the death of Charles and the elimination of that shield. And then let his death lead to Onslaught, which hasn’t been done yet anyway
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 9, 2021 13:48:00 GMT 1
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Post by charzhino on Feb 9, 2021 14:03:36 GMT 1
I dont think its feasible to bring back Patrik Stewart and McKellen, they are too old. And most of Kinbergs younger cast wasnt that well received or liked. Only Fassbender, McAvoy and possibly Tye Sheridan are re-doable. The rest were meh cos the writing of their characters killed them. Whilst it is a cool idea, I cant see how you can practically put it forward if you have 2 sets of the same characters but in different universes. Unless Wanda decided to cherry pick a handful of characters like shes seemingly done with Quicksilver as its her brother. I think it’ll be like what the Spider-Man multiverse is shaping up to be. Some familiar actors in old roles, but with new designs and possibly new backstories. Thats a realistic outcome given they seem to be pushing hard with multiverses this last year with Doctor Stranges next movie, multi-Spidermen and now this reality crossovers in WandaV.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 9, 2021 14:08:47 GMT 1
So my favorite is Charles did it. I like that he’s been shielding various events that maybe did occur and thus start the MCU Xmen with the death of Charles and the elimination of that shield. Too many questions. Why would he not intervene when the world is on the brink of collapse, being the obvious one.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 9, 2021 14:26:45 GMT 1
Too many questions. Why would he not intervene when the world is on the brink of collapse, being the obvious one. Maybe he’s been in the astral plane. IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:22:56 GMT 1
I think it’ll be like what the Spider-Man multiverse is shaping up to be. Some familiar actors in old roles, but with new designs and possibly new backstories. Thats a realistic outcome given they seem to be pushing hard with multiverses this last year with Doctor Stranges next movie, multi-Spidermen and now this reality crossovers in WandaV. Yeah, the multiverse is going to factor into the next phase of McU movies in a big way. There’s no denying it. What do you think of my idea that mutants come from an alternate Earth, get trapped here permanently, then form the X Men? It would be the perfect way to explain why they were absent for the last fifty movies in the McU.
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