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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 14:36:04 GMT 1
...you only just recently returned dude..why are you trying to rock the boat? Black Sue Storm?? You already got black Johnny and the Dad but because of BLM...Unwise of Trank imo
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 8, 2020 15:49:00 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 0:39:46 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 9, 2020 6:36:49 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details i do know the details, there can never be a trank cut, he was too busy fucking around on drugs to even finish filming
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 11:12:34 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/also that makes very little sense. So the Studio was perfectly ok with an entire Black Storm family but put their foot down on Sue which forced an extremely awkward “Shes adopted” line? WUT? Sorry Trank but I just don’t believe you. It looks more like you hired actors for another movie and then just put them in the closest roles you could when you had to make this movie. It’s not like Ben Grimm was spot on exactly.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 11:18:52 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details I can’t believe there is such a thing as a Trank Cut. They threw this thing together fast as hell on one sound stage and never did a single shot outside. This wasn’t a well planned film where he’s got some vision laying around. It was a last second rush job to keep the film rights.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 11:23:00 GMT 1
That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details i do know the details, there can never be a trank cut, he was too busy fucking around on drugs to even finish filming Im convinced his fucking around was because he already knew the entire project was bullshit. It didn’t fail because Trank fucked it up, it failed because there was never any intention to do anything but put out a cheap POS.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 13:38:57 GMT 1
That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details I can’t believe there is such a thing as a Trank Cut. They threw this thing together fast as hell on one sound stage and never did a single shot outside. This wasn’t a well planned film where he’s got some vision laying around. It was a last second rush job to keep the film rights. Youre probs right. They already gave away the DD rights and it's not like the previous f4 entries were highly successful. They did not know what to do with it or had no interest or both
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 9, 2020 15:56:00 GMT 1
For the sake of clarity, Josh Trank is not lobbying to make a new Fantastic Four film with a black Sue Storm. He wanted the entire Storm family to be black in his 2015 take on the Fantastic Four but was supposedly blocked by studio interference. Frankly speaking, a black Storm family would have made more sense than a random white woman in the Storm family (as was depicted in the film). Trank's comments come off as pandering, given their timing and the venue in which they were shared. 'Fantastic Four' Director Josh Trank Says Studio Blocked Him From Casting Black Actress As Sue Storm deadline.com/2020/06/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-says-studio-blocked-him-from-casting-black-actress-as-sue-storm-1202952970/also that makes very little sense. So the Studio was perfectly ok with an entire Black Storm family but put their foot down on Sue which forced an extremely awkward “Shes adopted” line? WUT? Sorry Trank but I just don’t believe you. It looks more like you hired actors for another movie and then just put them in the closest roles you could when you had to make this movie. It’s not like Ben Grimm was spot on exactly. It doesn't make sense, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen as he explained it. The scenario is so counter-intuitive and indicative of studio executive thinking that it doesn't seem as implausible as anything else that might have happened during production. I can easily imagine a studio executive reasoning that these movies are primarily aimed at young, male teens and that a higher profile, white actress would be the better way to cast the role. They were already covered as far as semi-attractive, semi-famous, young, white men. Taking the "L" with Jordan might have been considered an acceptable loss for the sake of "diversity." Many people put Fan4tic's failure solely on Trank's shoulders because it's easy to do so. He may well have been instrumental in the film's crash due to his creative choices, but the studio surely did him no favors. Fox didn't give themselves enough time to develop and produce a proper Fantastic Four film. Trank isn't exactly an Oswald style patsy in this, but he's not the lone gunman either. He was just dumb and arrogant enough to think he could overcome the limitations of a no-win situation. That makes the most sense in this situation given his age and level of experience at the time. I still think Trank's overall blueprint was sound, it was just executed beyond poorly.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 9, 2020 16:23:17 GMT 1
That is true but once this issue passes, i mean people have memories. Let's see what becomes of Trank Interestingly enough he said no to a Trank cut but I dont know the details I can’t believe there is such a thing as a Trank Cut. They threw this thing together fast as hell on one sound stage and never did a single shot outside. This wasn’t a well planned film where he’s got some vision laying around. It was a last second rush job to keep the film rights. trank did film outside, there were huge set pieces with new orleans dressed up to look like manhattan, taxis and all they just didn't use any of it
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 16:35:54 GMT 1
I can’t believe there is such a thing as a Trank Cut. They threw this thing together fast as hell on one sound stage and never did a single shot outside. This wasn’t a well planned film where he’s got some vision laying around. It was a last second rush job to keep the film rights. trank did film outside, there were huge set pieces with new orleans dressed up to look like manhattan, taxis and all they just didn't use any of it odd. I remember there being no photos of outside sets and I don’t mean production photos. I mean from anybody passing by the set location. The only photos that ever came out were of the 4 main cast at a restaurant and those two weird photos of doom against a blue screen. My only real point is this movie was suspicious as hell. If they took a camera outside once, fine, but there was no news coming out about it, no shots of costumes, nothing. And the majority of the cast weren’t even announced until after filming had been officially stated to have begun. It’s was extremely weird the entire time. Extremely. This was not a normal movie production and I can’t imagine that somehow there’s some glorious vision of Tranks sitting anywhere. They shot this cheap and fast just to get it out.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 16:38:38 GMT 1
I can’t believe there is such a thing as a Trank Cut. They threw this thing together fast as hell on one sound stage and never did a single shot outside. This wasn’t a well planned film where he’s got some vision laying around. It was a last second rush job to keep the film rights. trank did film outside, there were huge set pieces with new orleans dressed up to look like manhattan, taxis and all they just didn't use any of it Now that I’m thinking about it, the only outside stuff I recall were just second unit establishing shots.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 9, 2020 17:01:15 GMT 1
trank did film outside, there were huge set pieces with new orleans dressed up to look like manhattan, taxis and all they just didn't use any of it Now that I’m thinking about it, the only outside stuff I recall were just second unit establishing shots.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 17:30:36 GMT 1
Now that I’m thinking about it, the only outside stuff I recall were just second unit establishing shots. What are those exactly? I don’t think this really changes what my point was which was just that nothing significant was going on that indicates there’s some majorly different trank cut laying around.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 17:52:39 GMT 1
It could make sense. My problem with that is I don’t see any reason to the think they had any intention of trying to sell this film. Just look at the listed budget $120,000,000? On what? Somebody watch this film and tell me where the other $119,000,000 went. They just cast whoever they could and told Trank to deal with it. They didn’t even announce the rest of the “cast” until after filming had begun so I will not believe they put any thought into it at all.
I also don’t believe anything Trank says about it. I am convinced at some point he realized the entire production was a front and complete bullshit. They never had any intention of giving him say because this isn’t a film. It’s a hostage situation.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 9, 2020 19:08:24 GMT 1
It could make sense. My problem with that is I don’t see any reason to the think they had any intention of trying to sell this film. Just look at the listed budget $120,000,000? On what? Somebody watch this film and tell me where the other $119,000,000 went. They just cast whoever they could and told Trank to deal with it. They didn’t even announce the rest of the “cast” until after filming had begun so I will not believe they put any thought into it at all. I also don’t believe anything Trank says about it. I am convinced at some point he realized the entire production was a front and complete bullshit. They never had any intention of giving him say because this isn’t a film. It’s a hostage situation. That's as likely a scenario as any... I personally blame Fox for Fantastic Four's failure more than I blame Trank. I feel compelled to emphasize that Trank is by no means blameless, though... That said, if someone told you that the film you were hired to direct, in good faith, was nothing more than an elaborate tax write-off and a rights grab, what would you do? You can't get out of contract, and there's no way to realize your vision within the studio's parameters. You basically have to play the hand you were dealt. A more experienced director could likely have made something out of the mess, but Trank was too inexperienced and arrogant to know just how much trouble he was in. I think Fox offered him the assignment knowing full well it would likely end his career.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2020 19:47:20 GMT 1
I actually think you’re spot on here. I think he signed on before he realized they were just trying to leverage the rights and didn’t care about making the film. In a lot of ways I don’t blame Trank at all. In some ways I don’t blame Fox because I don’t consider it a film. It doesn’t even deserve to be evaluated because there was no effort to make a good product. It’s just an excuse that happens to exist in the form of a film. Not sure when Trank realized this but it broke him and for whatever reason he couldn’t/didn’t get out. All this “they didn’t cast who I wanted/ they didn’t shoot what I wanted” Josh buddy, they never had any intention to. The only thing I blame Fox for is not negotiating a sale of the product they clearly didn’t want earlier. The film doesn’t exist IMO.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 9, 2020 22:00:21 GMT 1
I actually think you’re spot on here. I think he signed on before he realized they were just trying to leverage the rights and didn’t care about making the film. In a lot of ways I don’t blame Trank at all. In some ways I don’t blame Fox because I don’t consider it a film. It doesn’t even deserve to be evaluated because there was no effort to make a good product. It’s just an excuse that happens to exist in the form of a film. Not sure when Trank realized this but it broke him and for whatever reason he couldn’t/didn’t get out. All this “they didn’t cast who I wanted/ they didn’t shoot what I wanted” Josh buddy, they never had any intention to. The only think I blame Fox for is not negotiating a sale of the product they clearly didn’t want earlier. The film doesn’t exist IMO. I think that's a fair assessment of the situation. Being in the extreme minority, I did like some aspects of Trank's script. Some of the thinking around inter-dimensional travel was also interesting to me, and I liked the idea of a modernized Doom turned psychotic by spending prolonged periods in an extra-dimensional realm. It's a bit more interesting if not more plausible than a megalomaniacal despot bent on world domination. The corridor sequence was also fairly decent. That said, you're more than right in saying there was no film there.
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