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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 19, 2024 5:31:57 GMT 1
Anyone who says Leto will be banned from Sakaar. I have the power.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 19, 2024 15:58:28 GMT 1
Jack Nicholson closely followed by Caesar Romero.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 19, 2024 21:43:08 GMT 1
Ledger. Nicholson close second. Phoenix is third, but not bad. While Jared Leto is a disappointment, I never disliked his iteration as much as the internet has.
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Post by Merv on Mar 19, 2024 22:26:50 GMT 1
Ledger then Nicholson. Mark Hamill is probably my favorite but its a much deeper question when it comes to the animated stuff.
Phoenix was fine but that movie could have just as easily not been about the Joker.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 20, 2024 1:33:28 GMT 1
Ledger then Nicholson. Mark Hamill is probably my favorite but its a much deeper question when it comes to the animated stuff. Phoenix was fine but that movie could have just as easily not been about the Joker. I wish Hamill had gotten a chance to play Joker in live action. Could have been something. His Joker voice is perfection
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 21, 2024 3:39:05 GMT 1
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Mar 21, 2024 12:18:48 GMT 1
Leto!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 21, 2024 18:43:53 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 21, 2024 18:45:44 GMT 1
Ledger
He's probably the most dangerous I've ever seen the Joker by his lonesome. He's a workhorse for his own schemes. He's not somewhere out of sight directing the battle like pieces on a chessboard. He's always in the thick of it like a full on participant. Strange as it sounds, I like Ledger's Joker for putting in his own work and getting his hands dirty.
Silly though this may sound, I like how The Dark Knight used the Joker as an agent of chaos. Nothing is certain when Joker is involved. I think that shares a thematic beat with characters in mythology like Zeus, like Loki, like Esu from Yoruba mythology; amoral prankster characters whose existence is meant to threaten the social order and warn against complacency. Their motives don't have to make sense to anybody, including themselves, because it's not up to them to justify themselves, but rather for us to brace against them.
I like that take on Joker; the force of nature take. In Batman (1989) and Joker (2019), he's just a guy who became the Joker. Rather than play around by imagining what made Heath Ledger's Joker the Joker, I like the idea that he just is.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 21, 2024 19:19:36 GMT 1
Ledger
He's probably the most dangerous I've ever seen the Joker by his lonesome. He's a workhorse for his own schemes. He's not somewhere out of sight directing the battle like pieces on a chessboard. He's always in the thick of it like a full on participant. Strange as it sounds, I like Ledger's Joker for putting in his own work and getting his hands dirty.
Silly though this may sound, I like how The Dark Knight used the Joker as an agent of chaos. Nothing is certain when Joker is involved. I think that shares a thematic beat with characters in mythology like Zeus, like Loki, like Esu from Yoruba mythology; amoral prankster characters whose existence is meant to threaten the social order and warn against complacency. Their motives don't have to make sense to anybody, including themselves, because it's not up to them to justify themselves, but rather for us to brace against them.
I like that take on Joker; the force of nature take. In Batman (1989) and Joker (2019), he's just a guy who became the Joker. Rather than play around by imagining what made Heath Ledger's Joker the Joker, I like the idea that he just is.
Agreed! Honestly I never liked the acid bath nonsense. I feel like Joker is so much better without a clear origin. I also maintain that Ledger’s joker captures everything that is great about the comic version and is way more faithful to the original material than a lot of people give credit for
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 21, 2024 23:31:36 GMT 1
Ledger He's probably the most dangerous I've ever seen the Joker by his lonesome. He's a workhorse for his own schemes. He's not somewhere out of sight directing the battle like pieces on a chessboard. He's always in the thick of it like a full on participant. Strange as it sounds, I like Ledger's Joker for putting in his own work and getting his hands dirty.
Silly though this may sound, I like how The Dark Knight used the Joker as an agent of chaos. Nothing is certain when Joker is involved. I think that shares a thematic beat with characters in mythology like Zeus, like Loki, like Esu from Yoruba mythology; amoral prankster characters whose existence is meant to threaten the social order and warn against complacency. Their motives don't have to make sense to anybody, including themselves, because it's not up to them to justify themselves, but rather for us to brace against them. I like that take on Joker; the force of nature take. In Batman (1989) and Joker (2019), he's just a guy who became the Joker. Rather than play around by imagining what made Heath Ledger's Joker the Joker, I like the idea that he just is. Agreed! Honestly I never liked the acid bath nonsense. I feel like Joker is so much better without a clear origin. I also maintain that Ledger’s joker captures everything that is great about the comic version and is way more faithful to the original material than a lot of people give credit for An excerpt from my review of The Dark Knight (2008) regarding Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker: "They say a hero is only as good as his villain, and with Heath Ledger, Christopher Nolan has found the perfect actor fearless enough to properly realise such a psychotic character as the Joker. Yes, the ‘hype’ is to be believed. The Joker promises to give Gotham City "a better class of criminal" and most certainly delivers. Where previous iterations have been caricatures, Ledger's Joker is something truly terrifying and magnificent to behold. You hear about actors ‘disappearing’ into roles, but this is one instance where I truly believe that has occurred. There’s no sign of Ledger present. Instead we just meet this disturbed individual who revels in chaos, with no definitive backstory of how he got this way. The fact that we know nothing about him is part of what makes him so effectively creepy. Despite playing a ‘larger-than-life’ character, Ledger never crosses the line into ‘over-the-top’, but instead keeps his Joker ‘grounded’ in reality (albeit a heightened reality). He has a dark and twisted sense of humour and keeps you on the edge of your seat every time he’s onscreen. His streaked make-up, maniacal voice, even his posture all contribute to making this a performance that'll go down in history as one of the best performances of a villain ever. Ledger, who obviously had plenty of talent to burn, brings this film to a whole new level. Some may dismiss his posthumous Oscar-win as only being awarded to him due to his unfortunate passing, but the truth is when the first teaser trailer was released you could already see he was giving us something we’d never seen before. This wasn’t an Oscar-worthy performance because he passed away; it was an Oscar-worthy *before* that tragedy. It’s just a shame that we’ll never get to see any further performances of this quality from him."
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 22, 2024 0:51:19 GMT 1
Ledger He's probably the most dangerous I've ever seen the Joker by his lonesome. He's a workhorse for his own schemes. He's not somewhere out of sight directing the battle like pieces on a chessboard. He's always in the thick of it like a full on participant. Strange as it sounds, I like Ledger's Joker for putting in his own work and getting his hands dirty.
Silly though this may sound, I like how The Dark Knight used the Joker as an agent of chaos. Nothing is certain when Joker is involved. I think that shares a thematic beat with characters in mythology like Zeus, like Loki, like Esu from Yoruba mythology; amoral prankster characters whose existence is meant to threaten the social order and warn against complacency. Their motives don't have to make sense to anybody, including themselves, because it's not up to them to justify themselves, but rather for us to brace against them. I like that take on Joker; the force of nature take. In Batman (1989) and Joker (2019), he's just a guy who became the Joker. Rather than play around by imagining what made Heath Ledger's Joker the Joker, I like the idea that he just is. Agreed! Honestly I never liked the acid bath nonsense. I feel like Joker is so much better without a clear origin. I also maintain that Ledger’s joker captures everything that is great about the comic version and is way more faithful to the original material than a lot of people give credit for An excerpt from my review of The Dark Knight (2008) regarding Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker: "They say a hero is only as good as his villain, and with Heath Ledger, Christopher Nolan has found the perfect actor fearless enough to properly realise such a psychotic character as the Joker. Yes, the ‘hype’ is to be believed. The Joker promises to give Gotham City "a better class of criminal" and most certainly delivers. Where previous iterations have been caricatures, Ledger's Joker is something truly terrifying and magnificent to behold. You hear about actors ‘disappearing’ into roles, but this is one instance where I truly believe that has occurred. There’s no sign of Ledger present. Instead we just meet this disturbed individual who revels in chaos, with no definitive backstory of how he got this way. The fact that we know nothing about him is part of what makes him so effectively creepy. Despite playing a ‘larger-than-life’ character, Ledger never crosses the line into ‘over-the-top’, but instead keeps his Joker ‘grounded’ in reality (albeit a heightened reality). He has a dark and twisted sense of humour and keeps you on the edge of your seat every time he’s onscreen. His streaked make-up, maniacal voice, even his posture all contribute to making this a performance that'll go down in history as one of the best performances of a villain ever. Ledger, who obviously had plenty of talent to burn, brings this film to a whole new level. Some may dismiss his posthumous Oscar-win as only being awarded to him due to his unfortunate passing, but the truth is when the first teaser trailer was released you could already see he was giving us something we’d never seen before. This wasn’t an Oscar-worthy performance because he passed away; it was an Oscar-worthy *before* that tragedy. It’s just a shame that we’ll never get to see any further performances of this quality from him." An excellent review!
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 22, 2024 0:56:43 GMT 1
I recently rewatched TDK as part of a Nolan marathon and really appreciated just how funny Ledger’s Joker is. In the prologue alone he has several darkly hilarious moments. “No. No. No. I kill the bus driver.” as he slowly sidles away, paired with his slightly cartoonish reaction to the guy being run over always makes me chuckle. The movie is often talked about as being grim and pitch dark but it’s really not that at all.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 22, 2024 2:45:19 GMT 1
I recently rewatched TDK as part of a Nolan marathon and really appreciated just how funny Ledger’s Joker is. In the prologue alone he has several darkly hilarious moments. “No. No. No. I kill the bus driver.” as he slowly sidles away, paired with his slightly cartoonish reaction to the guy being run over always makes me chuckle. The movie is often talked about as being grim and pitch dark but it’s really not that at all. Yeah, I'll take Ledger Joker's "How about a magic trick?" over Phoenix Joker's "“How about another joke, Murray?” ANY day.
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