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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 7, 2024 20:09:50 GMT 1
As a Marvel fan this is something I still think about from time to time and I am curious how time and retrospect has changed (or not changed) people’s opinions.
Now it of course it goes without saying that Mr Boseman’s passing was tragic. He was an icon and he was certainly irreplaceable in the sense that he was one of a kind. He would always be remembered as THE Black Panther. That being said though I do not believe that recasting would have disrespectful. Quite the opposite. He helped bring this character to the masses and created something truly special. To end that legacy was short sighted. To continue it with others would have been the highest honor. We saw a clear example of this when Heath Ledger passed and three other iconic actors finished his final film.
Now, yes, of course I cannot deny a selfish motivation. I do genuinely feel sadness concerning his loss and lament the cruelty of the reality that good people die young. Hopefully that would go without saying. Replacing him and seeing someone else onscreen would have been tremendously sad. But it’s true I also desired to see more of this great character. I cannot deny that and do even feel a bit of guilt over it.
I do not think those two things are necessarily at odds though. And, while I don’t want to get political, I do believe a misguided and very calculated PR mentality drove the decision. Not out of sensitivity but fear and a bit of hypocrisy. To be blunt: the panic of corporate white people desperately trying to appear like they are doing the right thing. (Note: they still made a BP movie and barely changed its release window)
Ironically, I think in doing this they deprived a community of an iconic character. Of course, as a white Jack Nicholman with the pale translucent skin of Batman 89’s Joker, I won’t speak for the black community. But TChalla was THE iconic black character of this century. Now he is gone and the momentum likely will not be there for whatever far off reboot may eventually come. Wakanda Forver was a good movie for what it was, doing the best it could under the circumstances. But I think it’s safe to say that the cultural impact made by the first film has evaporated. And that is sad. The world lost the man behind the character and now we have lost the character.
I respect all opinions. Please feel free to respond with contrary opinions and arguments. Thanks for reading!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 7, 2024 21:08:52 GMT 1
I have always been on the recast T'Challa side of the argument. And with the recast of Thaddeus Ross after William Hurt passed away Marvel Studios proved that know they made an error not to recast T'Challa.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 3:51:41 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 9, 2024 13:47:11 GMT 1
100% agree with pretty much everything
They absolutely should have recast T’Challa for every single reason. There was no reason not to. It was a massive mistake based on misplaced fear of being offensive when it’s actually offensive to everyone including Chadwick not to.
And for what?
We have recast countless actors in other roles and the fact that just a couple of years later they recast Ross over a death is absolutely insane.
I could go on listing reasons but you know them. Chadwick built a legacy and they muddled in it and tried to limp on with it instead of taking the reins and running with it while giving a new star the opportunity to carry it on with an heir of hope and positivity for life.
I’ll proofread this later, it still makes me mad
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 19:37:46 GMT 1
100% agree with pretty much everything They absolutely should have recast T’Challa for every single reason. There was no reason not to. It was a massive mistake based on misplaced fear of being offensive when it’s actually offensive to everyone including Chadwick not to. And for what? We have recast countless actors in other roles and the fact that just a couple of years later they recast Ross over a death is absolutely insane. I could go on listing reasons but you know them. Chadwick built a legacy and they muddled in it and tried to limp on with it instead of taking the reins and running with it while giving a new star the opportunity to carry it on with an heir of hope and positivity for life. I’ll proofread this later, it still makes me mad We have never met before, but i like the cut of your jib, Mr Stampton!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 9, 2024 20:27:36 GMT 1
Not recasting the role of T'Challa is one of the many mistakes that hurt Marvel post Endgame. It feels like they never had a clear plan of what to do and where to go and how to get there. Like they put full focus on the Infinity Saga. And then Iger came with Disney+ and it all spiraled out of Feige's control.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 9, 2024 20:36:21 GMT 1
Not recasting the role of T'Challa is one of the many mistakes that hurt Marvel post Endgame. It feels like they never had a clear plan of what to do and where to go and how to get there. Like they put full focus on the Infinity Saga. And then Iger came with Disney+ and it all spiraled out of Feige's control. I think they had a plan. It was Disney's executive leadership that forced them to pump out more Marvel content quickly before they could fully develop that plan. The demands of the street superseded the need for quality and focus.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 9, 2024 20:55:25 GMT 1
Not recasting the role of T'Challa is one of the many mistakes that hurt Marvel post Endgame. It feels like they never had a clear plan of what to do and where to go and how to get there. Like they put full focus on the Infinity Saga. And then Iger came with Disney+ and it all spiraled out of Feige's control. I think they had a plan. It was Disney's executive leadership that forced them to pump out more Marvel content quickly before they could fully develop that plan. The demands of the street superseded the need for quality and focus. That could be. However it does feel all a bit disjointed. And imo they made the mistake to use the Multiverse to do things because of fan service instead of good story telling.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 20:55:28 GMT 1
Not recasting the role of T'Challa is one of the many mistakes that hurt Marvel post Endgame. It feels like they never had a clear plan of what to do and where to go and how to get there. Like they put full focus on the Infinity Saga. And then Iger came with Disney+ and it all spiraled out of Feige's control. Indeed. It troubled me quite early on in Phase 4 to see where things were headed. Expanding to television in the way they did was such a grave error— one that I think has proved to be near fatal.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 9, 2024 20:59:02 GMT 1
Not recasting the role of T'Challa is one of the many mistakes that hurt Marvel post Endgame. It feels like they never had a clear plan of what to do and where to go and how to get there. Like they put full focus on the Infinity Saga. And then Iger came with Disney+ and it all spiraled out of Feige's control. Indeed. It troubled me quite early on in Phase 4 to see where things were headed. Expanding to television in the way they did was such a grave error— one that I think has proved to be near fatal. LIke LDM said. Too much too fast. It hurt the quality.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 21:06:51 GMT 1
Indeed. It troubled me quite early on in Phase 4 to see where things were headed. Expanding to television in the way they did was such a grave error— one that I think has proved to be near fatal. LIke LDM said. Too much too fast. It hurt the quality. They also have seemed strangely unconcerned with maintaining a connected universe. Chris Evans appeared in 9 movies, one virtually every year— even if two were cameos. TChalla was featured in four movies in short succession. They always made sure the audience was kept invested in a larger universe. I still wonder how, if ever, Shang Chi and Eternals will return.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 9, 2024 21:09:05 GMT 1
LIke LDM said. Too much too fast. It hurt the quality. They also have seemed strangely unconcerned with maintaining a connected universe. Chris Evans appeared in 9 movies, one virtually every year— even if two were cameos. TChalla was featured in four movies in short succession. They always made sure the audience was kept invested in a larger universe. I still wonder how, if ever, Shang Chi and Eternals will return. That was our main critique on the podcast. The lack of connectivity feel in phase 4. So many new characters introduced but we hardly have revisited them. Slowly now that is changing. And its not so much time but more the amount of content.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 21:12:25 GMT 1
They also have seemed strangely unconcerned with maintaining a connected universe. Chris Evans appeared in 9 movies, one virtually every year— even if two were cameos. TChalla was featured in four movies in short succession. They always made sure the audience was kept invested in a larger universe. I still wonder how, if ever, Shang Chi and Eternals will return. That was our main critique on the podcast. The lack of connectivity feel in phase 4. So many new characters introduced but we hardly have revisited them. Slowly now that is changing. And it’s not so much time but more the amount of content. The danger now in connecting them, I fear, is that a lot of the general audience has fallen behind. I do think The Marvels was greatly hurt by bring together characters from the tv shows. It’s the hidden danger of a shared universe. If people stop watching every installment they lose more and more interest in each new installment until the whole ship sinks. I hope we haven’t crossed that line, but I think we are close.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 9, 2024 21:16:41 GMT 1
That was our main critique on the podcast. The lack of connectivity feel in phase 4. So many new characters introduced but we hardly have revisited them. Slowly now that is changing. And it’s not so much time but more the amount of content. The danger now in connecting them, I fear, is that a lot of the general audience has fallen behind. I do think The Marvels was greatly hurt by bring together characters from the tv shows. It’s the hidden danger of a shared universe. If people stop watching every installment they lose more and more interest in each new installment until the whole ship sinks. I hope we haven’t crossed that line, but I think we are close. I fear that too. Im still invested but general audiences... not so much. It was to be expected that at some point it would fall apart. Too bad we actually get to see it. I am still hopefull they will turn the ship around. But they dont have too many chances anymore.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 9, 2024 21:23:53 GMT 1
The danger now in connecting them, I fear, is that a lot of the general audience has fallen behind. I do think The Marvels was greatly hurt by bring together characters from the tv shows. It’s the hidden danger of a shared universe. If people stop watching every installment they lose more and more interest in each new installment until the whole ship sinks. I hope we haven’t crossed that line, but I think we are close. I fear that too. Im still invested but general audiences... not so much. It was to be expected that at some point it would fall apart. Too bad we actually get to see it. I am still hopefull they will turn the ship around. But they dont have too many chances anymore. I think it all rides on Fantastic Four. If it’s a gigantic pop culture success like Guardians or Black Panther then people will see it as a chance to reinvest. I don’t think anything else on the horizon right now will do that though.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 10, 2024 13:39:35 GMT 1
For not having met, I find it hilariously spooky that you just used one of my brother’s catch phrases lol
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 10, 2024 20:36:17 GMT 1
For not having met, I find it hilariously spooky that you just used one of my brother’s catch phrases lol I am your brother! Search your feelings you will know it to be true!
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