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Post by LokisMom on Nov 5, 2023 21:38:25 GMT 1
One sort of plot hole, if Loki had his magic power back in the TVA, why didn’t he at least try to use the Tesseract (and all those Infinite Stones.) It’s not been mentioned in this season, and it supposedly houses an intelligent entity. If you remember Prof Selvig believes he communicates with it in the Avengers and he calls it a she. Maybe the Cube will be a part of the last episode.
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Post by Merv on Nov 8, 2023 0:37:42 GMT 1
One sort of plot hole, if Loki had his magic power back in the TVA, why didn’t he at least try to use the Tesseract (and all those Infinite Stones.) It’s not been mentioned in this season, and it supposedly houses an intelligent entity. If you remember Prof Selvig believes he communicates with it in the Avengers and he calls it a she. Maybe the Cube will be a part of the last episode. Hard for me to remember the details on it now but I remember the TVA treating the infinity stones like paperweights in season 1. Maybe the antimagic field or whatever was the reason for that, i dunno. I remember thinking it was an odd choice so soon after the Infinity Saga to kind of dumb those things down. Maybe it was meant to show how above all that this place is but it read more like a gag. However, it would be interesting if the events of Loki changed how those conversations felt. Especially if it was a Loki variant that was more or less seducing Selwig during the Avengers film. A more interesting angle to me is that Loki emerges from this as the primary protagonist against the council of Kangs in the future Avengers films. That would be a really cool character road from the villain who brings the original Avengers together to the 'leader' of the team against their greatest foes yet. Plus it would give Hiddleston more shine and potentially bring a Thor and Loki reunion...which is honestly something I've really missed. There is a part of me that sees Loki rewriting his own history so that he doesn't escape with the tesseract, thereby pruning his own variant self. But I really hope it doesn't go down that bleak of an angle. The MCU has said goodbye to too many old faces recently and I know for me, personally, I could really use a more upbeat continuation of the Loki we love.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 3:58:03 GMT 1
King Loki
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 4:38:34 GMT 1
One sort of plot hole, if Loki had his magic power back in the TVA, why didn’t he at least try to use the Tesseract (and all those Infinite Stones.) It’s not been mentioned in this season, and it supposedly houses an intelligent entity. If you remember Prof Selvig believes he communicates with it in the Avengers and he calls it a she. Maybe the Cube will be a part of the last episode. Hard for me to remember the details on it now but I remember the TVA treating the infinity stones like paperweights in season 1. Maybe the antimagic field or whatever was the reason for that, i dunno. I remember thinking it was an odd choice so soon after the Infinity Saga to kind of dumb those things down. Maybe it was meant to show how above all that this place is but it read more like a gag. However, it would be interesting if the events of Loki changed how those conversations felt. Especially if it was a Loki variant that was more or less seducing Selwig during the Avengers film. A more interesting angle to me is that Loki emerges from this as the primary protagonist against the council of Kangs in the future Avengers films. That would be a really cool character road from the villain who brings the original Avengers together to the 'leader' of the team against their greatest foes yet. Plus it would give Hiddleston more shine and potentially bring a Thor and Loki reunion...which is honestly something I've really missed. There is a part of me that sees Loki rewriting his own history so that he doesn't escape with the tesseract, thereby pruning his own variant self. But I really hope it doesn't go down that bleak of an angle. The MCU has said goodbye to too many old faces recently and I know for me, personally, I could really use a more upbeat continuation of the Loki we love. His Glorious Purpose has become what’s he been craving yet avoiding since at least The Avengers: His punishment.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 10, 2023 16:26:26 GMT 1
This show has entered LDM's elite circle of live-action CBM adaptations that have achieved a singular feat.
Loki, the MCU character, and television show have surpassed the source material from which they originated.
His calling, journey, hardships, and revelations are worthy of the ancient myths and stories the character is based on.
Loki, of Asgard, is a legend.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 10, 2023 17:49:12 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 10, 2023 18:12:19 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened? I have no clue, but I've never been more pleasantly confused. All I know is that Loki is now literally a part of the cosmic fabric of the MCU. It was like a Greek myth where some unfortunate soul goes through a great trial, succeeds at great cost, and is forever immortalized in a constellation. No need for a season three.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 10, 2023 18:57:57 GMT 1
Loki S2 is officially my new number 1 MCU outing.
Its absolutely brilliant.
The MCU isnt dead.... It just peaked.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 21:06:15 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened? After all those thousands or millions of time jumps, the only way for Loki to stop Victor/Kang/He Who Remains’s runaway Time Loom from consuming all space and time is to kill Sylvie because she kills HWR. I love the episode and boohoo’d at the end, but I got a big booger I must share: With his time jumping capabilities and an infinite amount of time to do it in, why didn’t he simply go back to Sylvie’s abduction point by the TVA and stop that? The “three centuries later…” joke Loki needs to learn how to build a Time Loom in order to understand it bombs completely. Loki has the abilities to interface with computers and with his magic powers, he could turn himself into a Time Loom. Could we have at least seen a few seconds of footage with Loki visiting great minds during those three centuries of hard study? Like a selfie with Oppenheimer at Los Alamos? And the above mentioned Tesseract and Gems are totally forgotten by the man who used them so well in the Avengers to bend space and time. And lot of opportunities for some introspection is lost on too failed attempts to fix the Loom events. When Loki was talking about his involvement in the Battle of New York he makes it like it’s no big deal. Anyone can do what he did to Fifth Avenue and get away with it….but of course, he can’t. Then Loki being bound to millions of timelines means it will probably drive him insane and he will come out of it an even more evil villain than he was before. Again, this is not to say I didn’t love it, I did. Loki’s rising to his true Glorious Purpose is magnificent. He in essence, turns himself into the World Tree, Yggdrasil, which is at the Nexus of the Nine Realms.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 21:30:11 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened? I have no clue, but I've never been more pleasantly confused. All I know is that Loki is now literally a part of the cosmic fabric of the MCU. It was like a Greek myth where some unfortunate soul goes through a great trial, succeeds at great cost, and is forever immortalized in a constellation. No need for a season three.Oh but there is, because of the Ragnarok Prophecy. Odin screws up thing in the Realms…which includes Midgard/Planet Earth…because he tires to stop Ragnarok from happening and that’s already happened on the Sacred Timeline. Baldr is said to return afterwards to rebuild the Realms. They probably won’t keep the TVA narrative going beyond what’s required for future movies, but I want more Owen Wilson. On the Sacred Timeline, no one knows what the much hated Loki is doing to keep them all alive…except maybe Dr Strange.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 21:34:02 GMT 1
Loki S2 is officially my new number 1 MCU outing. Its absolutely brilliant. The MCU isnt dead.... It just peaked. They need to learn some respect for the Loki. He is lock, he is key. He is the match that starts the fire or the wet blanket that can put it out.
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Post by Merv on Nov 10, 2023 21:44:02 GMT 1
Loved this symbolism... The timelines after Loki injects life into them to keep them from dying out... Yggdrasil...the norse mythology world tree for which every world of gods and men rests in its branches...
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Post by Merv on Nov 10, 2023 21:45:53 GMT 1
Loki Season 2 is an official win!
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 10, 2023 22:02:04 GMT 1
Loved this symbolism... The timelines after Loki injects life into them to keep them from dying out... Yggdrasil...the norse mythology world tree for which every world of gods and men rests in its branches... He has become what he wanted all along. I just hope he does not go evil again, but that fits the character. One thing, in Norse mythology, Yggdrasil is not the Tree of Life and it’s often confused as such.
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Post by Merv on Nov 10, 2023 22:39:49 GMT 1
Loved this symbolism... The timelines after Loki injects life into them to keep them from dying out... Yggdrasil...the norse mythology world tree for which every world of gods and men rests in its branches... He has become what he wanted all along. I just hope he does not go evil again, but that fits the character. One thing, in Norse mythology, Yggdrasil is not the Tree of Life and it’s often confused as such. Im actually kind of hoping we get some minor background loki influences randomly dropped in other films...just to show his touch on the timelines. Even something as simple as more key lime pie.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 11, 2023 2:20:37 GMT 1
He has become what he wanted all along. I just hope he does not go evil again, but that fits the character. One thing, in Norse mythology, Yggdrasil is not the Tree of Life and it’s often confused as such. Im actually kind of hoping we get some minor background loki influences randomly dropped in other films...just to show his touch on the timelines. Even something as simple as more key lime pie. There at some point, in one if future films, Thor and Loki need to reconcile before their particular narratives are over…. and it’s not a death scene. It will be huge cheat to the fans if they don’t. It would be like Charles Schultz never letting Charlie Brown kick the football.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 11, 2023 5:11:22 GMT 1
I have no clue, but I've never been more pleasantly confused. All I know is that Loki is now literally a part of the cosmic fabric of the MCU. It was like a Greek myth where some unfortunate soul goes through a great trial, succeeds at great cost, and is forever immortalized in a constellation. No need for a season three.Oh but there is, because of the Ragnarok Prophecy. Odin screws up thing in the Realms…which includes Midgard/Planet Earth…because he tires to stop Ragnarok from happening and that’s already happened on the Sacred Timeline. Baldr is said to return afterwards to rebuild the Realms. They probably won’t keep the TVA narrative going beyond what’s required for future movies, but I want more Owen Wilson. On the Sacred Timeline, no one knows what the much hated Loki is doing to keep them all alive…except maybe Dr Strange. Loki Laufeyson has found his glorious purpose. His story has ended.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 11, 2023 7:10:20 GMT 1
Oh but there is, because of the Ragnarok Prophecy. Odin screws up thing in the Realms…which includes Midgard/Planet Earth…because he tires to stop Ragnarok from happening and that’s already happened on the Sacred Timeline. Baldr is said to return afterwards to rebuild the Realms. They probably won’t keep the TVA narrative going beyond what’s required for future movies, but I want more Owen Wilson. On the Sacred Timeline, no one knows what the much hated Loki is doing to keep them all alive…except maybe Dr Strange. Loki Laufeyson has found his glorious purpose. His story has ended. I like how you play God.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Nov 11, 2023 7:49:44 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened? Not much to explain really imo. He figured out how to control his time slipping but it is a bit weird how he managed to bypass Kang? Maybe it's because he is a God too/his general Loki powers?
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Nov 11, 2023 7:53:36 GMT 1
I wish we could have had Loki in a more Asgardian/fantasy setting. Edit: Malekith is also done justice here This is a great comic. Even Fear Itself. Those could have been somewhat adapted. Tired of the TVA now honestly
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Post by Merv on Nov 11, 2023 12:29:44 GMT 1
I loved it, but what happened? Not much to explain really imo. He figured out how to control his time slipping but it is a bit weird how he managed to bypass Kang? Maybe it's because he is a God too/his general Loki powers? It’s because he always bypassed Kang. Because he is the center of all the universe. Once He Who Remains perished it set Loki on this timeline…a timeline HWR couldn’t see because he was no longer the pruner of the branches. At that point Loki became the cultivator? Of this new world tree and rather than prune them he’s letting them grow into magnificent worlds. Remember time doesn’t matter. At the end of the season Loki is part of all time in all worlds. Just because he didn’t know it earlier doesn’t mean he won’t know it later. Loki was set on this path the moment HWR was killed because that’s what he does. There’s a theme this season of ‘later’ events influencing ‘earlier’ events, like who wrote the TVA handbook. That’s the case here too.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Nov 11, 2023 13:13:23 GMT 1
Not much to explain really imo. He figured out how to control his time slipping but it is a bit weird how he managed to bypass Kang? Maybe it's because he is a God too/his general Loki powers? It’s because he always bypassed Kang. Because he is the center of all the universe. Once He Who Remains perished it set Loki on this timeline…a timeline HWR couldn’t see because he was no longer the pruner of the branches. At that point Loki became the cultivator? Of this new world tree and rather than prune them he’s letting them grow into magnificent worlds. Remember time doesn’t matter. At the end of the season Loki is part of all time in all worlds. Just because he didn’t know it earlier doesn’t mean he won’t know it later. Loki was set on this path the moment HWR was killed because that’s what he does. There’s a theme this season of ‘later’ events influencing ‘earlier’ events, like who wrote the TVA handbook. That’s the case here too. Just seems strange that Kang keeps getting his butt handed to him lol.. and that he's apparently the big bad, for now anyway. Worst case scenario I think they should just recast and not switch villains. He knew about the time slipping but couldnt do anything about it? I duno, I felt Loki became too OP. Singlehandedly managing all streams of time..Loki is the TVA lol
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 11, 2023 16:29:55 GMT 1
Not much to explain really imo. He figured out how to control his time slipping but it is a bit weird how he managed to bypass Kang? Maybe it's because he is a God too/his general Loki powers? It’s because he always bypassed Kang. Because he is the center of all the universe. Once He Who Remains perished it set Loki on this timeline…a timeline HWR couldn’t see because he was no longer the pruner of the branches. At that point Loki became the cultivator? Of this new world tree and rather than prune them he’s letting them grow into magnificent worlds. Remember time doesn’t matter. At the end of the season Loki is part of all time in all worlds. Just because he didn’t know it earlier doesn’t mean he won’t know it later. Loki was set on this path the moment HWR was killed because that’s what he does. There’s a theme this season of ‘later’ events influencing ‘earlier’ events, like who wrote the TVA handbook. That’s the case here too. The concept is formally known as retrocausality in quantum physics. This episode has sparked some of the most positive and engaging discussions about the MCU in quite some time. The conclusion of Loki feels like the first piece of MCU content that encourages the viewer to devise their own headcanon regarding Loki's fate. It practically demands that you do so. Some have written the ending off with pat explanations that leave little to the imagination. Others are spinning theories that offer more complexity than the multiverse itself. To me, Loki's fate is similar to Atlas' charge to forever hold the sky on his shoulders. It is a punishment, a burden, and a duty. Loki's fate is to forever hold all of reality together. The narrative evolved past the search for a self-warring villain hiding between the sheets of the multiverse. The writers elevated the narrative beyond the hero/villain genre tropes to tell a more satisfying story. I pray they don't revisit Loki or reunite him with Thor - that dynamic has played itself out. Our Loki dies at the hands of Thanos, and this variant shows us a possible alternate fate for the character. That haunting close-up of Loki's face should be the last we see of him.
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Post by Merv on Nov 11, 2023 16:39:32 GMT 1
It’s because he always bypassed Kang. Because he is the center of all the universe. Once He Who Remains perished it set Loki on this timeline…a timeline HWR couldn’t see because he was no longer the pruner of the branches. At that point Loki became the cultivator? Of this new world tree and rather than prune them he’s letting them grow into magnificent worlds. Remember time doesn’t matter. At the end of the season Loki is part of all time in all worlds. Just because he didn’t know it earlier doesn’t mean he won’t know it later. Loki was set on this path the moment HWR was killed because that’s what he does. There’s a theme this season of ‘later’ events influencing ‘earlier’ events, like who wrote the TVA handbook. That’s the case here too. The concept is formally known as retrocausality in quantum physics. This episode has sparked some of the most positive and engaging discussions about the MCU in quite some time. The conclusion of Loki feels like the first piece of MCU content that encourages the viewer to devise their own headcanon regarding Loki's fate. It practically demands that you do so. Some have written the ending off with pat explanations that leave little to the imagination. Others are spinning theories that offer more complexity than the multiverse itself. To me, Loki's fate is similar to Atlas' charge to forever hold the sky on his shoulders. It is a punishment, a burden, and a duty. Loki's fate is to forever hold all of reality together. The narrative evolved past the search for a self-warring villain hiding between the sheets of the multiverse. The writers elevated the narrative beyond the hero/villain genre tropes to tell a more satisfying story. I pray they don't revisit Loki or reunite him with Thor - that dynamic has played itself out. Our Loki dies at the hands of Thanos, and this variant shows us a possible alternate fate for the character. That haunting close-up of Loki's face should be the last we see of him. If we do see him again, this Loki I mean, I think it would be in a more authoritative role. Perhaps bringing the Multiversal Avengers together like much more powerful Zordon forming the Power Rangers. I think we could see Sylvie again tho. I think that might be likely.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 13, 2023 15:17:56 GMT 1
The concept is formally known as retrocausality in quantum physics. This episode has sparked some of the most positive and engaging discussions about the MCU in quite some time. The conclusion of Loki feels like the first piece of MCU content that encourages the viewer to devise their own headcanon regarding Loki's fate. It practically demands that you do so. Some have written the ending off with pat explanations that leave little to the imagination. Others are spinning theories that offer more complexity than the multiverse itself. To me, Loki's fate is similar to Atlas' charge to forever hold the sky on his shoulders. It is a punishment, a burden, and a duty. Loki's fate is to forever hold all of reality together. The narrative evolved past the search for a self-warring villain hiding between the sheets of the multiverse. The writers elevated the narrative beyond the hero/villain genre tropes to tell a more satisfying story. I pray they don't revisit Loki or reunite him with Thor - that dynamic has played itself out. Our Loki dies at the hands of Thanos, and this variant shows us a possible alternate fate for the character. That haunting close-up of Loki's face should be the last we see of him. If we do see him again, this Loki I mean, I think it would be in a more authoritative role. Perhaps bringing the Multiversal Avengers together like much more powerful Zordon forming the Power Rangers. I think we could see Sylvie again tho. I think that might be likely. Many fans feel that Sylvie got the short end of the stick in Loki season two, but I was pleased that this season wasn't some misguided, equity-driven two-hander. The series is titled Loki for a reason; it is primarily about that character. Several fans want to see Loki come back, and I get that, but I'd be okay if we never heard from him again. Bringing him back in some trivial cameo or as a supporting character in another event-driven saga would undermine their brilliant work on the character with season two. An aspect of the last episode that escaped our gaze during the review discussion was the way Loki's time slipping evolved in terms of control and method. Loki was "slipping" into his own body - that is, instead of creating a duplicate of himself, he was transporting his consciousness into earlier versions of himself. This trope has been used in many great time travel-based science fiction books, but I've never seen it done in live-action. By slipping back into himself, Loki effectively becomes omniscient. When he takes the multiversal throne, he becomes omnipresent as well.
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Post by Merv on Nov 13, 2023 17:36:49 GMT 1
If we do see him again, this Loki I mean, I think it would be in a more authoritative role. Perhaps bringing the Multiversal Avengers together like much more powerful Zordon forming the Power Rangers. I think we could see Sylvie again tho. I think that might be likely. Many fans feel that Sylvie got the short end of the stick in Loki season two, but I was pleased that this season wasn't some misguided, equity-driven two-hander. The series is titled Loki for a reason; it is primarily about that character. Several fans want to see Loki come back, and I get that, but I'd be okay if we never heard from him again. Bringing him back in some trivial cameo or as a supporting character in another event-driven saga would undermine their brilliant work on the character with season two. An aspect of the last episode that escaped our gaze during the review discussion was the way Loki's time slipping evolved in terms of control and method. Loki was "slipping" into his own body - that is, instead of creating a duplicate of himself, he was transporting his consciousness into earlier versions of himself. This trope has been used in many great time travel-based science fiction books, but I've never seen it done in live-action. By slipping back into himself, Loki effectively becomes omniscient. When he takes the multiversal throne, he becomes omnipresent as well. A lot like Endgame and Guardians 3…this finale works as a satisfying farewell to the Loki character. I won’t be upset if he appears again in one way or another, assuming it’s done properly and wouldn’t deflate this moment for him, but I don’t necessarily need it either. I guess I’m ok either way at the moment. Which is a good place to have the character considering Hiddleston has portrayed the role over the last 14 years or so and is probably ready to move on.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 13, 2023 19:13:44 GMT 1
Here’s the thing, Kiddos, why would it take Loki three centuries to learn what took Victory Timely about thirty years and any Marvel kid in high school a week? And Victor only had 19th century materials to work with.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 13, 2023 19:27:09 GMT 1
Here’s the thing, Kiddos, why would it take Loki three centuries to learn what took Victory Timely about thirty years and any Marvel kid in high school a week? And Victor only had 19th century materials to work with. It wasn't just what Victor knew, it was what OB knew. OB has been working at the TVA since the beginning of time (as far as it can be measured in the TVA) and learned massive amounts of stuff. That's why evreyone in the TVA had to go to him for answers.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 13, 2023 19:38:05 GMT 1
Here’s the thing, Kiddos, why would it take Loki three centuries to learn what took Victory Timely about thirty years and any Marvel kid in high school a week? And Victor only had 19th century materials to work with. It wasn't just what Victor knew, it was what OB knew. OB has been working at the TVA since the beginning of time (as far as it can be measured in the TVA) and learned massive amounts of stuff. That's why evreyone in the TVA had to go to him for answers. True, it took OB nearly twenty years just to build a primitive tempad with twenty first-century tools.
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Post by Merv on Nov 13, 2023 19:57:48 GMT 1
It wasn't just what Victor knew, it was what OB knew. OB has been working at the TVA since the beginning of time (as far as it can be measured in the TVA) and learned massive amounts of stuff. That's why evreyone in the TVA had to go to him for answers. True, it took OB nearly twenty years just to build a primitive tempad with twenty first-century tools. I thought it took OB 18 months? For some reason that number stuck in my head. But also I’ll add the Centuries Later but was part of a gag. I wouldn’t look too deeply into it.
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