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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 15, 2023 17:29:04 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Nov 15, 2023 18:25:30 GMT 1
He makes a lot of good points and its something I have also taken upon myself. I do go to the movies more than a few times a year, mostly for horror outside of the superhero stuff but if something else interesting catches my eye like The Northman from a few years ago, I go to see that too. I do still buy physical media when I feel the itch...again mostly horror and superhero stuff. And I don't pirate anything. I subscribe to all my streaming options and if I don't want them anymore I unsubscribe and that's that. Ive actually had some of these convos in real life when talking to friends about movies that are coming out and the state of them and have actually had people tell me that most things that come out suck...but they're also the people watching a bootleg version on a pirate site on their laptop while sitting in their car. When I point that out, that thats probably not how the director envisioned you enjoy their work, its usually met with a mild 'youre right' and then we move on to something else. I'm not here to judge...watch what you want to watch and spend as much money as you feel you need to. But it's a little odd to complain about the service while you're running out on the check.
There's also the people who have been actively rooting for the MCU's downfall. Well here's your chance. The Marvels had the worst opening in MCU history, leaving plenty of room for other things people want to see. Theres even a much anticipated Martin Scorcese flick out in theatres starring Leo Dicaprio and Robert Deniro along with a laundry list of a cast that also contains the recently rejuvenated Brendan Frasier. Hows that film doing btw? I'll save you some time...it flopped. Its been in theatres for almost a month and has made 140 on a 200 mil budget. So much for the MCU smothering other films by drawing everyones attention. I had said the moment this weird mob started that if you want to root for the downfall of the MCU then fine...but don't assume that something will be there to take it's place and this is a sure sign of that.
Im hopped up on cough medicine so sorry if this felt ranty.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 15, 2023 21:27:27 GMT 1
Moviegoing has changed a lot since the old days Stuckman waxes poetic about. Going to the movies is now a data-driven consumer experience, with the average consumer checking multiple sources before deciding to see a movie. Back in the day, all you had was Siskel and Ebert. Now there is Rotten Tomatoes, Cinema Score, YouTube, Written reviews, Twitter, and WoM. Stuckman is tragically on the cusp of full awareness but refuses to take that final step forward that will allow him to see the whole truth. People don't place the same value on movies as they once did. Video games and social media have eclipsed movies as more relevant forms of entertainment.
The success of Barmenheimer was based on a meme - which could only have existed with social media.
When I saw The Batman, four teenagers sat in my aisle playing mobile games, napping (with blankets), and eating what looked and smelled like a full-course Chinese food meal in reclining chairs. They were largely unconcerned about the movie and couldn't be bothered to engage with it except to photograph the screen at key moments and push the resulting images to multiple social media platforms. The theater was nothing more than a hang-out.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Nov 16, 2023 2:34:25 GMT 1
They're all A.I. reproductions.
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Post by primemcgee on Nov 16, 2023 9:53:04 GMT 1
He's blaming audiences for it--and the problem is management. The studios are all owned by very few people and they all go to the same clubs. It never used to be like that. There was a little more variety in ownership and the creative decisions were less centralized. Music is the same way--apparently all the major songs released by all the singers on major labels are written by two guys. Never used to be like that. They even did a computer analysis to determine that music is getting more simplistic and atonal. This is entirely due to the corporate centralized control.
Technology does play a role in changing people's behavior--but the basic act of watching something hasn't changed since ancient theater. It all comes down to the talent and skill of the artists--and these international corporations do not select talent like companies used to. They don't select actors based on charisma, they don't select writers based on imagination...they also try to have a world audience which was never the case 50 years ago. Movies were aimed at North American and Europe primarily--and some foreign markets--but they didn't try to make films to cater to all places because you can't do that. It makes as much sense as trying to make a Country and Western song that will appeal to people who like opera, jazz, classical.. Different strokes for different folks.
Someone was telling me that when Jaws played in a local theater it was full-so the issue is not a lack of interest in being in a theater--most people do not have 20 foot screens in their home--sp there is always interest--but the movies have to be well-made--and they are not.
I was saying this on another site--someone like Brie Larson would never have been cast as Captain Marvel or Ms Marvel in the 1970s. She would have been lucky to be cast as Dyna Girl. Diedre Hall or Angel Thompkins would have been the type to play the Marvel character. Someone that feels more "alpha" and charismatic. You either have it or you don't. Movies suck only because of the poor management and their lack of taste. Audiences are captives of the studios.
And Stephen King said the same thing in 2000 that Christopher Lee said at the same time about movies. King said that literary markets were no longer picking stores for audiences--they were picking them for themselves--the editors. And Lee said movie studios were no longer making movies for audiences--they were making them for the studio owners and directors.
They are not trying to appease audiences--their attitude is--you will take what we make or else.
And it is no surprise there is no enthusiasm because for artists to do good work, they need to be enthusiastic and you just do not have that in the corporate world. They see artists like shoe salesmen.
I think what Hollywood did in the 60s and 70s was to shift away from actor and writing and focus more on FX spectacle--this was true from the Godfather through the late 80s-little by little---it got worse---the SPFX innovation became the big draw--and when CGI came along it only made it worse. Then in the 2000s after various corporate mergers they focused more on the serial brand--and then superheroes---and with each trend, they shrunk the number of films made or promoted--so you had less and less choice.
Halloween for example--in 1998, Halloween H20 did not get 10% of the marketing or theater venues that the recent Halloween films did--and they had such lame marketing hooks--like bringing back Lindsey. That's not a hook. And even the Star Wars films were playing in far more theaters than the originals did. It is like Coca-Cola. There's nothing special to it.
And the fact is that FX innovation is over--there is not likely to be anything that can really wow audiences to the point where they want to see it--that peaked with Avatar, and now the actors are so dull and the writing is poor--so there's nothing to really hook an audience.
They would have to let artists come up with ideas on their own and not be controlled by the international corporations. It simply won't change--especially since--50 years ago, 95% of the filmmakers were hetero pale men--and that is the last group they want to hire. Walt Disney, Roger Corman, Hitchcock, they would not be allowed near the studio gate. And the ones they do allow--follow the dictates of their studio bosses to the letter. In the old days, artists always clashed with the studios over creative decisions.
Good art needs passion.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 21, 2023 23:52:41 GMT 1
Moviegoing has changed a lot since the old days Stuckman waxes poetic about. Going to the movies is now a data-driven consumer experience, with the average consumer checking multiple sources before deciding to see a movie. Back in the day, all you had was Siskel and Ebert. Now there is Rotten Tomatoes, Cinema Score, YouTube, Written reviews, Twitter, and WoM. Stuckman is tragically on the cusp of full awareness but refuses to take that final step forward that will allow him to see the whole truth. People don't place the same value on movies as they once did. Video games and social media have eclipsed movies as more relevant forms of entertainment. The success of Barmenheimer was based on a meme - which could only have existed with social media. When I saw The Batman, four teenagers sat in my aisle playing mobile games, napping (with blankets), and eating what looked and smelled like a full-course Chinese food meal in reclining chairs. They were largely unconcerned about the movie and couldn't be bothered to engage with it except to photograph the screen at key moments and push the resulting images to multiple social media platforms. The theater was nothing more than a hang-out. it really is about a bigger picture including options. I can tell I’m largely much more occupied with European football as wellibers will tell you, and that is largely due to its much easier access than when I was growing up. Theres simply more to do. And that’s just one facet
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