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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2023 15:06:24 GMT 1
Thank you, guys. Now we’re talking. I’ll take this as Lokismom’s birthday present. (Nov 13). In case I'm not around that day, happy birthday in advance.
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Post by LokisMom on Nov 8, 2023 18:04:03 GMT 1
The House of Mouse, the MCU's owner, is currently destroying itself with bad decisions, corruption, and a stream of bad movies born of bad, desperate decisions, and much of that is reflected in current MCU. There comes a point when even hopeful optimism reaches its limits. If that's how you feel, then what more is there to say, really? Speaking of owners, Isaac Perlmutter is, or until recently has been, at the top of the heap of “owners.” Net worth: $5.9 billion Source of wealth: Marvel comics Contributions: $1.9 million to the 2020 Trump campaign. www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/02/19/here-are-the-billionaires-who-donated-to-donald-trumps-2020-presidential-campaign/?sh=b0246b646675from the Wicked-P:
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2023 22:29:01 GMT 1
Perlmutter is often cited as one of the most contentious figures among corporate leaders. Personally, Disney's success or failure is of no concern to me. My views on the company and its fervent fan base haven't changed since my youth. I've never really grasped the appeal of Disney as a culture. The fact that Disney, and its den of zombified adherents and deranged detractors, thrives and succeeds says something about our society. When Disney acquired Marvel, it was a dark day for me, and I'm still not convinced it was the right match. However, it's undeniable that Disney's vast resources and workforce played a crucial role in elevating Marvel to a prominent position in the mainstream media dialogue. Disney may die, but the Marvel brand is eternal. It will and has died a thousand times and always comes back.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 9, 2023 0:11:31 GMT 1
I don't think Marvel Studios is making a distinction between insane Alt Right nutters and regular Right-leaning people, though. I'm not asking to be pandered to. I'm asking not to be targeted for demonization for having the audacity of not being Left leaning. That is not much to ask for, whatsoever. If Marvel Studios specifically wants to cut portions of the population out of their viewership, that's their call. They'll lose, and are losing, ten/hundreds of millions for alienating huge portions of their audience, but they can do that. During Phases 1-3, they told stories that could appeal to anyone and everything, with the intention of reaching a wide audience made of people of all walks of life. They need to go back to that if they want to survive. I'm including the way Disney and a lot of folk over at Marvel Studios act on Twitter, too, in this. Whenever a sizable portion of the fanbase calls foul on anything they do, they always turn to the ol' "LOL the people who don't like it are just Right-wing bigots!" That right there tells me that they're not just targeting Alt Right wingers in stuff like Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The narrative they're pushing is "for us or against us". And my money is also the same as any fan's. I'm also a paying customer. Therefore, my voice is still valid, too. Absolutely, your voice is valid, but so is mine. Yet, I must walk on pies to not offend. As far I’ve seen, Marvel has never “demonized” Right Wingers. If you can give an example, maybe I can understand what you referring to. Demonize is a very strong word and demonizing people is not what I want to do. What any other politically motivated fans may have said online or in press, that’s on them, not on me and not on Marvel. God knows I don’t want talk politics with Right Wingers inside here, whether they are “insane Alt Right nutters and regular Right-leaning people,” but not every subject is political and not every subject has to be “canon.” During Phases 1-3, they told stories that could appeal to anyone and everything, with the intention of reaching a wide audience made of people of all walks of life. In what ways does Phase Four not do the same as 1-3 in reaching a wide audience, in other words, who are they not reaching in Phase 4. What specifically in any of the Phase 4 narratives made you feel personally demonize? But it's the people who working on the MCU who slam dissatisfied fans on Twitter. So, it is on Marvel Studios. "not every subject is political" All their Disney+ shows have been annoyingly political, except Wandavision and maybe Miss Marvel. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is so knees-deep in politics, it practically drowns in them. Phase 4 has done a number of things that has caused it to fail to reach a wide audience. The Eternals was an attempt at arthouse experimental filmmaking, but it just wasn't that good. It opens the floor for a lot of questions, plotholes, the script is incredibly uneven, and for all its ambition, it just doesn't come together well. Thor: Love and Thunder disappointed a lot of people by being way too light-hearted for the story it was telling for their tastes, with the blowback being strong enough to force a paradigm shift for Thor 5. Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania just straight-up flopped with criticisms ranging from people being disappointed with the over-abandance of humor undercutting every dramatic moment, to a lackluster MODOK, to Kang being underwhelming, and the premise being more akin to a niche 80s film like The Last Starfighter than that of a blockbuster. A lot of people did not like Cassie suddenly being an arsonist who disrespects her father and Scott being undermined as the hero at nearly every turn until the third act. And Falcon and the Winter Soldier positions itself so hard on one side of certain very touchy issues with that utmost smug confidence that its right and people should change their way of thinking to agree that it actively just became uncomfortable to watch for a lot of people who aren't globalists or don't want open borders. I don't mind that Left-leaning individuals want these things as long as they're willing to engage in discussion and try to understand why people on the other side don't want them, but Falcon and Winter Soldier doesn't do that. It just treats people who lean to the other side as bad people, vilifying servicemen like John Walker even though both Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes are both former servicemen. That's to say nothing of its inane attempts to humanize a bunch of murderers like The Flag Smashers, who behave like callous barbarians even though they're only supposed to be "misguided and redeemable". And I don't think we need to talk about She-Hulk again. I could go on and on about how hard the MCU is currently planting itself on one side and putting those themes so forefront that they cannot be ignored and frankly, just don't appeal to a lot of people. Which is part of the reason why Phase 4 and now Phase 5 have not been able to recapture the success of even Phase 1 and early-Phase 2 MCU.
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Post by Merv on Nov 9, 2023 1:58:43 GMT 1
AQUA RAPTOR! , I don't really understand this. I'm not arguing anyones enjoyment or lack thereof of the Eternals...but I never saw it as arthouse or experimental in nature. I feel like this criticism is pointed toward the director, Chloe Zhao, who is more known to be an independent filmmaker rather than big budget blockbusters...but personally I didn't notice any of that arthouse vibe in the Eternals film. You do see it in stuff like Nomadland which was another film directed by Chloe Zhao. I'm just curious what about the Eternals carried that arthouse and experimental feel rather than somewhat standard 4 quadrant superhero stuff?
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Post by Jayman on Nov 9, 2023 2:17:54 GMT 1
Great forum and great people here. I take breaks but I always come back to posting.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 9, 2023 2:36:53 GMT 1
AQUA RAPTOR! , I don't really understand this. I'm not arguing anyones enjoyment or lack thereof of the Eternals...but I never saw it as arthouse or experimental in nature. I feel like this criticism is pointed toward the director, Chloe Zhao, who is more known to be an independent filmmaker rather than big budget blockbusters...but personally I didn't notice any of that arthouse vibe in the Eternals film. You do see it in stuff like Nomadland which was another film directed by Chloe Zhao. I'm just curious what about the Eternals carried that arthouse and experimental feel rather than somewhat standard 4 quadrant superhero stuff? Perhaps arthouse wasn't the right word. Esoteric might be better. The ideas and story they went for are disparate from most mainstream movies, and Marvel perhaps dived in too fast and too quickly on this one.
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Post by Merv on Nov 9, 2023 2:50:10 GMT 1
AQUA RAPTOR! , I don't really understand this. I'm not arguing anyones enjoyment or lack thereof of the Eternals...but I never saw it as arthouse or experimental in nature. I feel like this criticism is pointed toward the director, Chloe Zhao, who is more known to be an independent filmmaker rather than big budget blockbusters...but personally I didn't notice any of that arthouse vibe in the Eternals film. You do see it in stuff like Nomadland which was another film directed by Chloe Zhao. I'm just curious what about the Eternals carried that arthouse and experimental feel rather than somewhat standard 4 quadrant superhero stuff? Perhaps arthouse wasn't the right word. Esoteric might be better. The ideas and story they went for are disparate from most mainstream movies, and Marvel perhaps dived in too fast and too quickly on this one. Thats fair. I actually think the biggest issue is that it felt more like a DC film than an MCU film, for me. I still enjoyed it quite a bit, but found too much of it colder when compared to most MCU entries, if that makes sense.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 9, 2023 3:18:32 GMT 1
Perhaps arthouse wasn't the right word. Esoteric might be better. The ideas and story they went for are disparate from most mainstream movies, and Marvel perhaps dived in too fast and too quickly on this one. Thats fair. I actually think the biggest issue is that it felt more like a DC film than an MCU film, for me. I still enjoyed it quite a bit, but found too much of it colder when compared to most MCU entries, if that makes sense. It does make sense. I'm trying not to just repeat that audiences weren't prepared for how different from the norm the film was in this response, but I think that's what it comes down to. I kinda liken Eternals to the 2017 Dark Tower movie in some ways. The ideas were interesting and even fascinating, but it's a lot for one movie to unpack. I think Eternals did it a lot more gracefully than Dark Tower, though.
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Post by Merv on Nov 9, 2023 3:38:10 GMT 1
Thats fair. I actually think the biggest issue is that it felt more like a DC film than an MCU film, for me. I still enjoyed it quite a bit, but found too much of it colder when compared to most MCU entries, if that makes sense. It does make sense. I'm trying not to just repeat that audiences weren't prepared for how different from the norm the film was in this response, but I think that's what it comes down to. I kinda liken Eternals to the 2017 Dark Tower movie in some ways. The ideas were interesting and fascinating, but it's a lot for a one movie to unpack. I think Eternals did it a lot more gracefully than Dark Tower, though. As a fan of the Dark Tower novels…I agree. Lol.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Nov 9, 2023 4:28:09 GMT 1
Since I started school for my social work degree, it's consumed my life. When I am on the computer, it's either doing readings, studies, or it's on the politics forum because there's a tremendous amount of overlap with my course material and the conversations that happen there. Since I've started school I've barely watched anything. It's been weeks and I haven't finished the last episode of Ahsoka, nor have I watched Loki yet. I'm an absentee fan. I did catch all of the last season of Lower Decks though. That was a top priority. My movie viewing habits have fallen off so I haven't been regularly checking into the recently watched movies thread. I'm still around though. I'm just more of a window sill cat these days.
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Post by Lokis Gramma on Nov 9, 2023 22:40:08 GMT 1
Personally I think this forum died the minute ArArArArch left the fandom. He was the edible glue holding this gingerbread house together.
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Post by Merv on Nov 9, 2023 22:43:15 GMT 1
Personally I think this forum died the minute ArArArArch left the fandom. He was the edible glue holding this gingerbread house together. I too blame Arch…I say we ALL blame Arch!!! GET HIM!!
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Nov 10, 2023 1:45:25 GMT 1
Personally I think this forum died the minute ArArArArch left the fandom. He was the edible glue holding this gingerbread house together. It's all because he started liking soccer. He would post in that Feyenoord Season 23/24 thread, although honestly before I looked in the thread I thought it was a Lord of the Rings thing.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 21, 2023 18:45:04 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 21, 2023 18:49:40 GMT 1
I actually think there is no problem. Because we never were a forum with the numbers. And we discuss when there is something to discuss. However a few extra active members would be great. So how to get them? I have asked everyone to recruit. I have asked everyone to share our youtube efforts on your socials. Are you guys doing that? Do you have any ideas on how to get more active members? Grandmaster, anothermarvelguy, anthonyrocks, ar33, ArArArchStanton, archelaus,@bizzaroanticlark, bodawg70, AQUA CAT!, Chalice_Of_Evil, chalk3, Rex Manning, charzhino, constructioncutie, crisisvarietyhour, cyberneticshark13, darkmagician1971, Dave Stoller, detour, equality72521, gameboy, gromel, hatseflats, AQUA KEN!, hi224, hobowar, hyundaifromyuggoth, jacklaridian, AQUA JAMES!, Jan El Señor, Jayman, jermainewatson, josephjoestar1, jrent2000, justanaveragejoe, lidi2, Lilith, Loki, LokisMom, Lord Ackbar, Lord Death Man, lordofthunder, mannyfresh, marieke, maximura, Merv, miike80, monicah, movieliker, myachingackbarraddus, Nightman, penneh,@phistosgauntlet, Indiana Jones, AQUA JAR!™, primemcgee, ramz, RiP, IMDb, sallythemcugirl, AQUA SALZ!, sendherbud,@shadyvsesham, shieldmaidensa, spiderman2099, Spike Del Rey, $portsFan, springheeljack1837, taylorfirst1, AQUA EDGE!, BATCOW™, thestannimal, thisguy4000, travisbeyond, trekkersdelight, UniSol GR77, vegasthanos, vincentvanspock, wickedkittiesmom, winterking, AQUA RAPTOR!,
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 21, 2023 18:52:29 GMT 1
lol. What? lol. What did I do???
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 21, 2023 18:53:34 GMT 1
lol. What? lol. What did I do??? Get interested in football I guess.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 21, 2023 18:53:42 GMT 1
Personally I think this forum died the minute ArArArArch left the fandom. He was the edible glue holding this gingerbread house together. wowwww Alright alright. I have been more active recently. So there’s that,,, HUGS
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Nov 22, 2023 1:17:29 GMT 1
I actually think there is no problem. Because we never were a forum with the numbers. And we discuss when there is something to discuss. However a few extra active members would be great. So how to get them? I have asked everyone to recruit. I have asked everyone to share our youtube efforts on your socials. Are you guys doing that? Do you have any ideas on how to get more active members? Grandmaster , anothermarvelguy , anthonyrocks , ar33 , ArArArchStanton , archelaus ,@bizzaroanticlark, bodawg70 , AQUA CAT! , Chalice_Of_Evil , chalk3 , Rex Manning , charzhino , constructioncutie , crisisvarietyhour , cyberneticshark13 , darkmagician1971 , Dave Stoller , detour , equality72521 , gameboy , gromel , hatseflats , AQUA KEN! , hi224 , hobowar , hyundaifromyuggoth , jacklaridian , AQUA JAMES! , Jan El Señor , Jayman , jermainewatson , josephjoestar1 , jrent2000 , justanaveragejoe , lidi2 , Lilith , Loki , LokisMom , Lord Ackbar , Lord Death Man , lordofthunder , mannyfresh , marieke , maximura , Merv , miike80 , monicah , movieliker , myachingackbarraddus , Nightman , penneh ,@phistosgauntlet, Indiana Jones , AQUA JAR!™ , primemcgee , ramz , RiP, IMDb , sallythemcugirl , AQUA SALZ! , sendherbud ,@shadyvsesham , shieldmaidensa , spiderman2099 , Spike Del Rey , $portsFan , springheeljack1837 , taylorfirst1 , AQUA EDGE! , BATCOW™ , thestannimal , thisguy4000 , travisbeyond , trekkersdelight , UniSol GR77 , vegasthanos , vincentvanspock , wickedkittiesmom , winterking , AQUA RAPTOR! , I'm not an active recruiter, but I did put it out to a private chat of which I was a part on V2. It was politics board personnel though, so I don't think many were interested. Except Loki's Mom, but they were already here. It was more like offering refuge because there were whispers of V2 shutting down, which it did, but I never expected them to be actually true.
I showed one of my friends the Youtube channel a while ago just to say I know these people. Riding your guys' coattails, lol. I'm always afraid of bringing someone in and they turn out to be a disaster. My vetting process would be worse than Elaine from Seinfeld deciding if someone is sponge worthy or not.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 22, 2023 22:52:14 GMT 1
Have you thought about expanding Sakaar or at least the community beyond Proboards and youtube?
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Post by Kuartorises on Jan 5, 2024 20:29:50 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 5, 2024 20:48:04 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon. This is a real Marvel forum. We talk about other things too of course, but the MCU is the main topic.
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Post by Merv on Jan 5, 2024 22:10:50 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon. Lando you sonofabitch!!!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 6, 2024 11:54:57 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon. If PaulsLaugh is here he is here under another name. Yes this is a pop culture forum. And Marvel is our core topic. You are most welcome. We could use a few more cunts here.
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Post by Jayman on Jan 6, 2024 13:56:04 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon. I remember you. How are you doing? No you weren’t pranked she is a member here
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Post by LokisMom on Jan 26, 2024 7:20:13 GMT 1
Hi there all. I was referred to this forum by PaulsLaugh on IMDb v1. I don’t see him here though so this may be a prank on me. If it is then I guess I am a horse’s ass. What else is new! 😡 But if this is indeed a real Marvel forum I am most interested to join. You may know me as the semi-famous poster Kuartorises. I am also known by some, affectionately, as “Cunt O Rises”. Let me know whether or not I have been pranked. Thanks. I’ll check back here next Tuesday at noon. If PaulsLaugh is here he is here under another name. Yes this is a pop culture forum. And Marvel is our core topic. You are most welcome. We could use a few more cunts here.
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