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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2023 15:44:23 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jun 7, 2023 19:21:23 GMT 1
They really should tone down the comedy at this point. That seems to be a recurring complaint. Not like having humor in general, but like the snarky meta-stuff you'd expect from GOTG or maybe the Antman movies, just keep it there.As a counter-example, Wakanda Forever took itself fairly seriously (given the circumstances) and I appreciated it for it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2023 20:01:46 GMT 1
They really should tone down the comedy at this point. That seems to be a recurring complaint. Not like having humor in general, but like the snarky meta-stuff you'd expect from GOTG or maybe the Antman movies, just keep it there.As a counter-example, Wakanda Forever took itself fairly seriously (given the circumstances) and I appreciated it for it. It's not so much the presence of humor that's the issue; it's the meta-style recontextualization of the genre. Movies like 'Top Gun Maverick' are prime examples that taking inherently silly or outlandish scenarios seriously can be received very well by the audience. An overreliance on the meta approach can signal a lack of respect and confidence in the genre. It's as if the creators are preemptively deflecting criticism or downplaying their own work. Fans respond to this apparent lack of sincerity, and not favorably. Personally, I have no real issues with humor in these types of movies. It's an excellent tool for lightening the mood and making characters more relatable. However, irony, sarcasm and outright mockery are not my bag.
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Post by Merv on Jun 7, 2023 20:14:28 GMT 1
They really should tone down the comedy at this point. That seems to be a recurring complaint. Not like having humor in general, but like the snarky meta-stuff you'd expect from GOTG or maybe the Antman movies, just keep it there.As a counter-example, Wakanda Forever took itself fairly seriously (given the circumstances) and I appreciated it for it. It's not so much the presence of humor that's the issue; it's the meta-style recontextualization of the genre. Movies like 'Top Gun Maverick' are prime examples that taking inherently silly or outlandish scenarios seriously can be received very well by the audience. An overreliance on the meta approach can signal a lack of respect and confidence in the genre. It's as if the creators are preemptively deflecting criticism or downplaying their own work. Fans respond to this apparent lack of sincerity, and not favorably. Personally, I have no real issues with humor in these types of movies. It's an excellent tool for lightening the mood and making characters more relatable. However, irony, sarcasm and outright mockery are not my bag. I agree. Far too often everyone in the room feels like Tony Stark and it’s not fun unless someone is taking things seriously.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 7, 2023 22:49:40 GMT 1
Chris Hemsworth thinks Thor has become ‘too silly’ Just to be clear...that's^ directed at Hemsworth. Not at you, LDM. Unlike most, I knew things weren't headed in the right direction all the way back when Ragnarok was still in it's development stage. I'd read something about Hemsworth saying he wanted to have more 'humour' in the films and my immediate reaction was a negative one. From that point on, everything I saw relating to Thor has pretty much been stuff I've disagreed with and it all comes back to Ragnarok which basically tossed out most of what had come before (ie. the two Thor films I actually *enjoyed*) and went in a completely different direction (ie. a direction I HATED). The last time I actually liked the Thor character was probably Age of Ultron. Ever since then I've been sad to see him reduced to a walking punchline and, imho, it all began with Ragnarok. As for Hemsworth...it's a bit rich hearing him criticise the 'silliness' of the fourth film when he was the one who led his character on this path. Now because it didn't work out the way he'd hoped, he's backtracking. Thor used to be one of my favourite Avengers in the MCU and I really liked Hemsworth...but I'm afraid I've lost some respect for him (which pains me, as a fellow Aussie) since he's partially to blame for the current state of the Thor character in the MCU.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2023 22:59:11 GMT 1
It's not so much the presence of humor that's the issue; it's the meta-style recontextualization of the genre. Movies like 'Top Gun Maverick' are prime examples that taking inherently silly or outlandish scenarios seriously can be received very well by the audience. An overreliance on the meta approach can signal a lack of respect and confidence in the genre. It's as if the creators are preemptively deflecting criticism or downplaying their own work. Fans respond to this apparent lack of sincerity, and not favorably. Personally, I have no real issues with humor in these types of movies. It's an excellent tool for lightening the mood and making characters more relatable. However, irony, sarcasm and outright mockery are not my bag. I agree. Far too often everyone in the room feels like Tony Stark and it’s not fun unless someone is taking things seriously. Absolutely. The problem we're seeing with every character trying to be the "Tony Stark" in the room is a consequence of how popular culture has conflated being sarcastic with being intelligent. It's quite remarkable how people tend to equate quick wit and symmetrical aphorisms with intelligence. Sarcasm is now the culture's primary means of self-expression. This issue, I believe, also has roots in the writing process itself. Many young writers, knowingly or unknowingly, have been emulating Joss Whedon's voice from the Avengers series - characterized by his snarky tone. Very few writers and actors, for that matter, can pull it off. It seems that when you don't have a genuine voice of your own as a writer at Marvel, you can default to the house style.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 7, 2023 23:10:43 GMT 1
Love and Thunder felt like a cartoon. Hell it even had a literal cartoon character in it at one point.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 8, 2023 0:13:37 GMT 1
Chris Hemsworth thinks Thor has become ‘too silly’ Just to be clear...that's^ directed at Hemsworth. Not at you, LDM. Unlike most, I knew things weren't headed in the right direction all the way back when Ragnarok was still in it's development stage. I'd read something about Hemsworth saying he wanted to have more 'humour' in the films and my immediate reaction was a negative one. From that point on, everything I saw relating to Thor has pretty much been stuff I've disagreed with and it all comes back to Ragnarok which basically tossed out most of what had come before (ie. the two Thor films I actually *enjoyed*) and went in a completely different direction (ie. a direction I HATED). The last time I actually liked the Thor character was probably Age of Ultron. Ever since then I've been sad to see him reduced to a walking punchline and, imho, it all began with Ragnarok. As for Hemsworth...it's a bit rich hearing him criticise the 'silliness' of the fourth film when he was the one who led his character on this path. Now because it didn't work out the way he'd hoped, he's backtracking. Thor used to be one of my favourite Avengers in the MCU and I really liked Hemsworth...but I'm afraid I've lost some respect for him (which pains me, as a fellow Aussie) since he's partially to blame for the current state of the Thor character in the MCU. I see where you're coming from, and, to a degree, I share your sentiments. Personally, the first Thor remains my favorite in the series, though I did find Ragnarok enjoyable. What made Ragnarok intriguing for me was how it changed the status quo for the character to a certain extent. However, I agree entirely that the infusion of absurd humor has distorted Thor's character, shifting him from a noble, complex figure to a walking punchline. And it's unfortunate because I believe Hemsworth could have pulled off a more serious take on Thor that was still charming. Hemsworth's critique of Thor, especially given that he was instrumental in directing the character towards a more humorous path, does come across as a bit self-serving and ungrateful. After all, it's this very role that catapulted him to international fame and fortune. It seems a bit off to criticize the character that has been a significant part of his career success. I would love to see a fifth Thor movie that returns to the character's roots.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 8, 2023 0:46:30 GMT 1
Just to be clear...that's^ directed at Hemsworth. Not at you, LDM. Unlike most, I knew things weren't headed in the right direction all the way back when Ragnarok was still in it's development stage. I'd read something about Hemsworth saying he wanted to have more 'humour' in the films and my immediate reaction was a negative one. From that point on, everything I saw relating to Thor has pretty much been stuff I've disagreed with and it all comes back to Ragnarok which basically tossed out most of what had come before (ie. the two Thor films I actually *enjoyed*) and went in a completely different direction (ie. a direction I HATED). The last time I actually liked the Thor character was probably Age of Ultron. Ever since then I've been sad to see him reduced to a walking punchline and, imho, it all began with Ragnarok. As for Hemsworth...it's a bit rich hearing him criticise the 'silliness' of the fourth film when he was the one who led his character on this path. Now because it didn't work out the way he'd hoped, he's backtracking. Thor used to be one of my favourite Avengers in the MCU and I really liked Hemsworth...but I'm afraid I've lost some respect for him (which pains me, as a fellow Aussie) since he's partially to blame for the current state of the Thor character in the MCU. I would love to see a fifth Thor movie that returns to the character's roots. That's^ what I want too...but I fear he's reached the point of no return/the damage has been done irrevocably.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 8, 2023 4:39:25 GMT 1
Allthough I love Ragnarok I totally get what Chalice_Of_Evil is saying and I actually agree. There was not much wrong with the first two Thor movies. I would have been fine if they had stayed on that path.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 8, 2023 10:20:52 GMT 1
I totally get what Chalice_Of_Evil is saying and I actually agree. There was not much wrong with the first two Thor movies. I would have been fine if they had stayed on that path.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 8, 2023 10:41:26 GMT 1
Guys...I'm worried about the MCU...
I think it needs a reboot...
Preferably by Quentin Tarantino
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jun 9, 2023 0:07:38 GMT 1
Guys...I'm worried about the MCU... I think it needs a reboot... Preferably by Quentin Tarantino I can dig it. Especially he starts with HEROES FOR HIRE. I think it's right up his alley more than he thinks...
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