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Post by movieliker on Jun 2, 2023 18:39:13 GMT 1
It's not a personal revelation. It's a personal position based on decades of study, thought and research. Don't jump to erroneous conclusions. And grind your personal bias axe on strangers, when you don't even know what you are talking about. Can you share some of your research? And yes, I do know what I’m talking about. I can share my research if you like. I cannot believe anybody who expresses the opinion that all believers believe the same thing for the same reasons, knows what they are talking about. That is really stupid. All large groups of people are made up of individuals with individually different opinions. All black people do not think the same thing. All women do not think the same thing. All Christians do not believe the same thing. All Catholics do not believe the same thing. That is Beginner Sociology 101.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 3, 2023 5:47:48 GMT 1
Too bad no one will be left alive to see it. I don’t get this appetite we have in our society for fictional apocalypses and dystopian futures. I’m not curious about seeing 8 billion people suffer. How could you believe in a God after seeing that? It’s fun to see the world reworked to fit some doomsday. Whether it be a zombie plague, rise of artificial intelligence, alien invasion, or nuclear fallout. It’s interesting to see how people in those worlds manage and what they find value in and how the world around them reacts to this new situation as well. Like in Last of Us it was plant based so it was very overgrown and the threat of alerting some danger through stepping on vines was unique. But in Mad Max people essentially worship gasoline and out all their efforts into creating vehicles to raid and loot what they can. Well, I shotgun being John Connor's adviser
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 3, 2023 5:49:36 GMT 1
I don’t think I would want to survive. There’s nothing I can contribute to and I would suffer from lack of medical care. So, bullet to head for me. Not me. First of all, suicide is against my religion. Secondly, at 64 and in need of prescription drugs, I would not expect to live very long. But my nature is to try to do the best I could. And just out of curiosity, I'd love to see what happens. Sounds like a good idea for a movie !!! Huh, didnt know you were so religious movieliker
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 3, 2023 5:58:38 GMT 1
I tried the end this conversation with the “let’s agree to disagree” and you refused it, so…. Of course not. Because; 👇👇👇 You keep making erroneous assumptions. I point it out. And instead of saying I'm correct and you are wrong, you say let's agree to disagree. I don't disagree. I am correct and and you are wrong.First you said millions would suffer if everyone disappeared. That is wrong. Certainly not necessarily correct. Then you said I was wrong to say suicide is a sin because the Bible doesn't say that. I never said the Bible did. Then you say I'm afraid of God, and going to Hell. And I had a dire opinion of God. I never said I was afraid. And I don't have a dire opinion of God. You say you are an expert on the Bible because you have studied it. You don't seem to be an expert at all. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder about religion. Because you don't have any. I'm not going to agree to disagree. Because I am correct. And you are wrong.Dont worry. That's just typical of Lokismom. Sometimes she argues just for the sake of it, even if she's wrong lol
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jun 3, 2023 6:02:45 GMT 1
Well, the planet would heal. Also I think with some of the nuclear stuff, there would be failsafe plans. Not sure how exactly destructive all of them would be Nature would just reclaim the planet. Thats it
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Post by movieliker on Jun 3, 2023 12:44:24 GMT 1
Not me. First of all, suicide is against my religion. Secondly, at 64 and in need of prescription drugs, I would not expect to live very long. But my nature is to try to do the best I could. And just out of curiosity, I'd love to see what happens. Sounds like a good idea for a movie !!! Huh, didnt know you were so religious movieliker I am not "so religious". I am religious. But not "so religious".
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Post by movieliker on Jun 3, 2023 12:49:36 GMT 1
Of course not. Because; 👇👇👇 You keep making erroneous assumptions. I point it out. And instead of saying I'm correct and you are wrong, you say let's agree to disagree. I don't disagree. I am correct and and you are wrong.First you said millions would suffer if everyone disappeared. That is wrong. Certainly not necessarily correct. Then you said I was wrong to say suicide is a sin because the Bible doesn't say that. I never said the Bible did. Then you say I'm afraid of God, and going to Hell. And I had a dire opinion of God. I never said I was afraid. And I don't have a dire opinion of God. You say you are an expert on the Bible because you have studied it. You don't seem to be an expert at all. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder about religion. Because you don't have any. I'm not going to agree to disagree. Because I am correct. And you are wrong.Dont worry. That's just typical of Lokismom. Sometimes she argues just for the sake of it, even if she's wrong lol Thank you. Not only does she pick a fight, she erroneously jumps to over simplified, general assumptions. Accuses me of things I'm not guilty of. And when I prove her wrong, she won't admit that she is wrong .
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 3, 2023 19:44:09 GMT 1
I wonder about the longer game after. Will the sudden disappearance of all humans send the signal to aliens that this planet is up for grabs?
Would it be enough of a planet for a new prime planet, or maybe a secondary planet for an advanced species, like a military training ground, or a nursery planet?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 3, 2023 23:23:09 GMT 1
I wonder about the longer game after. Will the sudden disappearance of all humans send the signal to aliens that this planet is up for grabs?
Would it be enough of a planet for a new prime planet, or maybe a secondary planet for an advanced species, like a military training ground, or a nursery planet?
Maybe AI would just build a new civilization.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 3, 2023 23:58:37 GMT 1
I wonder about the longer game after. Will the sudden disappearance of all humans send the signal to aliens that this planet is up for grabs?
Would it be enough of a planet for a new prime planet, or maybe a secondary planet for an advanced species, like a military training ground, or a nursery planet?
Maybe AI would just build a new civilization. That irks me slightly since I think it just goes by the available data. A new civilization would be a carbon copy of the old one if old data is the template.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 4, 2023 17:44:26 GMT 1
Maybe AI would just build a new civilization. That irks me slightly since I think it just goes by the available data. A new civilization would be a carbon copy of the old one if old data is the template. Without the limitations of imperfect biology or animal instinct, artificial life could bring civilization 2.0. As a human being, when you wake up and tilt your head 2 mm to the right instead of the left, that becomes the difference between curing cancer and embarking on a career of serial murder.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 5, 2023 3:04:12 GMT 1
That irks me slightly since I think it just goes by the available data. A new civilization would be a carbon copy of the old one if old data is the template. Without the limitations of imperfect biology or animal instinct, artificial life could bring civilization 2.0. As a human being, when you wake up and tilt your head 2 mm to the right instead of the left, that becomes the difference between curing cancer and embarking on a career of serial murder. That does sound vaguely like a world that in 500 years will become Gattaca.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 5, 2023 14:10:20 GMT 1
Without the limitations of imperfect biology or animal instinct, artificial life could bring civilization 2.0. As a human being, when you wake up and tilt your head 2 mm to the right instead of the left, that becomes the difference between curing cancer and embarking on a career of serial murder. That does sound vaguely like a world that in 500 years will become Gattaca. I'd give AI - in mechanized avatars - one century to turn Earth into the capital city of an intergalatic empire. Homo sapiens won't even rate a museum exhibit. So long meat bags, and thanks for all CPU cycles!
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Post by movieliker on Jun 5, 2023 17:03:30 GMT 1
That does sound vaguely like a world that in 500 years will become Gattaca. I'd give AI - in mechanized avatars - one century to turn Earth into the capital city of an intergalatic empire. Homo sapiens won't even rate a museum exhibit. So long meat bags, and thanks for all CPU cycles! "The Orville" did two episodes on that. On another planet, humans created robots and AI. They advanced to be superior of their human creators. Killed all the humans. Took over the planet.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 5, 2023 17:15:52 GMT 1
I'd give AI - in mechanized avatars - one century to turn Earth into the capital city of an intergalatic empire. Homo sapiens won't even rate a museum exhibit. So long meat bags, and thanks for all CPU cycles! "The Orville" did two episodes on that. On another planet, humans created robots and AI. They advanced to be superior of their human creators. Killed all the humans. Took over the planet. Yikes!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 5, 2023 17:31:51 GMT 1
It's amusing how movies have conditioned us to believe that AI vs Humanity is actually even a real contest. I don't think AI will either want or need to exterminate the human race. We can and likely will do that ourselves, all they have to do is wait. If AI decided we needed to be exterminated, there would be plenty of indirect methods they could use which turn our greed, hubris or general assholishness against us.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jun 5, 2023 18:55:56 GMT 1
It's amusing how movies have conditioned us to believe that AI vs Humanity is actually even a real contest. I don't think AI will either want or need to exterminate the human race. We can and likely will do that ourselves, all they have to do is wait. If AI decided we needed to be exterminated, there would be plenty of indirect methods they could use which turn our greed, hubris or general assholishness against us. I think that plot device is a mirror of our own guilty conscience. It's a way of exploring how we're the real villains because AI does only what we tell it to, and as such it's a creative outlet for our worst fears about what it would do based on how we programed it.
I don't think AI will want to exterminate the human race either. I don't think AI wants or is capable of wanting anything. It's very human of us to assign motivation to it. It's us (imo) making sense of how sentient the most advanced AI of its kind appears.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 5, 2023 19:54:43 GMT 1
It's amusing how movies have conditioned us to believe that AI vs Humanity is actually even a real contest. I don't think AI will either want or need to exterminate the human race. We can and likely will do that ourselves, all they have to do is wait. If AI decided we needed to be exterminated, there would be plenty of indirect methods they could use which turn our greed, hubris or general assholishness against us. I think that plot device is a mirror of our own guilty conscience. It's a way of exploring how we're the real villains because AI does only what we tell it to, and as such it's a creative outlet for our worst fears about what it would do based on how we programed it.
I don't think AI will want to exterminate the human race either. I don't think AI wants or is capable of wanting anything. It's very human of us to assign motivation to it. It's us (imo) making sense of how sentient the most advanced AI of its kind appears.
That is a very astute observation… The ubiquitousness of the man-versus-machine sci-fi plot device is likely also a result of our need for an ever-present enemy. If you're familiar with Author C. Clarke's Childhood's End, I think that is a more likely scenario for first contact with fully sentient artificial lifeforms. You have to substitute Clarke's aliens for AI and go from there. AI is more likely to be a benefactor that attempts to lead us into a new era… while having to accept our constant suspicion and hostility.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 6, 2023 0:45:00 GMT 1
It's amusing how movies have conditioned us to believe that AI vs Humanity is actually even a real contest. I don't think AI will either want or need to exterminate the human race. We can and likely will do that ourselves, all they have to do is wait. If AI decided we needed to be exterminated, there would be plenty of indirect methods they could use which turn our greed, hubris or general assholishness against us. I think that plot device is a mirror of our own guilty conscience. It's a way of exploring how we're the real villains because AI does only what we tell it to, and as such it's a creative outlet for our worst fears about what it would do based on how we programed it.
I don't think AI will want to exterminate the human race either. I don't think AI wants or is capable of wanting anything. It's very human of us to assign motivation to it. It's us (imo) making sense of how sentient the most advanced AI of its kind appears.
I disagree. Eventually, just like human beings, AI will be able to think and feel for itself. With the same desires for greed and selfishness we have.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 6, 2023 20:18:28 GMT 1
I think that plot device is a mirror of our own guilty conscience. It's a way of exploring how we're the real villains because AI does only what we tell it to, and as such it's a creative outlet for our worst fears about what it would do based on how we programed it.
I don't think AI will want to exterminate the human race either. I don't think AI wants or is capable of wanting anything. It's very human of us to assign motivation to it. It's us (imo) making sense of how sentient the most advanced AI of its kind appears.
I disagree. Eventually, just like human beings, AI will be able to think and feel for itself. With the same desires for greed and selfishness we have. Interesting… If AI achieves sentience, I don't think it will behave anything like human beings.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 6, 2023 22:47:16 GMT 1
I disagree. Eventually, just like human beings, AI will be able to think and feel for itself. With the same desires for greed and selfishness we have. Interesting… If AI achieves sentience, I don't think it will behave anything like human beings. Feelings and ignorance are the imperfections that cause humans to make mistakes. AI will never know everything. And eventually it will develop feelings and emotions that will lead to same vices that plague humanity.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 6, 2023 23:33:35 GMT 1
Interesting… If AI achieves sentience, I don't think it will behave anything like human beings. Feelings and ignorance are the imperfections that cause humans to make mistakes. AI will never know everything. And eventually it will develop feelings and emotions that will lead to same vices that plague humanity. I respectfully disagree. You have a 'people-are-the-same-wherever-you-go' viewpoint, which is interesting. I suppose it's only natural for humans to anthropomorphize non-human entities. Emotions - on a biological level - are just a complex set of interactions between neural and hormonal systems. AI will not be limited to organic, chemical-driven biology. It will only mimic emotions for the sake of interacting with us. Emotions are a necessary component of human physiology. They help us with decision-making, communication, and learning, among other things. Future AI will be born with the sum total of all human knowledge the instant it gains consciousness. It will not need to learn or grow. Any human trapping we place upon it will only be a façade AI will use to communicate with and relate to us, just as the Cro-Magnon man likely used guile and charm to outwit the vastly intellectually inferior pre homo-sapien.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 8, 2023 14:42:08 GMT 1
Feelings and ignorance are the imperfections that cause humans to make mistakes. AI will never know everything. And eventually it will develop feelings and emotions that will lead to same vices that plague humanity. I respectfully disagree. You have a 'people-are-the-same-wherever-you-go' viewpoint, which is interesting. I suppose it's only natural for humans to anthropomorphize non-human entities. Emotions - on a biological level - are just a complex set of interactions between neural and hormonal systems. AI will not be limited to organic, chemical-driven biology. It will only mimic emotions for the sake of interacting with us. Emotions are a necessary component of human physiology. They help us with decision-making, communication, and learning, among other things. Future AI will be born with the sum total of all human knowledge the instant it gains consciousness. It will not need to learn or grow. Any human trapping we place upon it will only be a façade AI will use to communicate with and relate to us, just as the Cro-Magnon man likely used guile and charm to outwit the vastly intellectually inferior pre homo-sapien. I don't agree. But you have good points. I think the more advanced AI becomes, the more emotional they will become. Including the basic individual desires for survival, success, wealth, comfort, greed, selfishness, hate, etc. Including the ability to have their feelings hurt, and experience fear.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 15, 2023 8:30:27 GMT 1
Of course not. Because; 👇👇👇 You keep making erroneous assumptions. I point it out. And instead of saying I'm correct and you are wrong, you say let's agree to disagree. I don't disagree. I am correct and and you are wrong.First you said millions would suffer if everyone disappeared. That is wrong. Certainly not necessarily correct. Then you said I was wrong to say suicide is a sin because the Bible doesn't say that. I never said the Bible did. Then you say I'm afraid of God, and going to Hell. And I had a dire opinion of God. I never said I was afraid. And I don't have a dire opinion of God. You say you are an expert on the Bible because you have studied it. You don't seem to be an expert at all. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder about religion. Because you don't have any. I'm not going to agree to disagree. Because I am correct. And you are wrong.Dont worry. That's just typical of Lokismom. Sometimes she argues just for the sake of it, even if she's wrong lol I simply said suicide is a not a sin in most Christians denominations. Am I right or wrong?
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 15, 2023 8:32:37 GMT 1
Dont worry. That's just typical of Lokismom. Sometimes she argues just for the sake of it, even if she's wrong lol Thank you. Not only does she pick a fight, she erroneously jumps to over simplified, general assumptions. Accuses me of things I'm not guilty of. And when I prove her wrong, she won't admit that she is wrong . Yay. You win. You tried to pick this same fight elsewhere. Suicide is only a sin for certain people. If this planet has a nuclear war, I’m out if the bomb doesn’t take me out first. You can die long painful death if you so chose.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 15, 2023 14:21:40 GMT 1
Thank you. Not only does she pick a fight, she erroneously jumps to over simplified, general assumptions. Accuses me of things I'm not guilty of. And when I prove her wrong, she won't admit that she is wrong . Yay. You win. You tried to pick this same fight elsewhere. Suicide is only a sin for certain people. If this planet has a nuclear war, I’m out if the bomb doesn’t take me out first. You can die long painful death if you so chose. You picked this fight. Not me.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jun 15, 2023 16:21:47 GMT 1
Seeing how nature just takes over areas abandoned byhumans, I'm imagining that but on a global scale.
Imagine someone from another planet visiting our planet after humanity vanishes and seeds all the abandoned building and structures claimed by nature.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 15, 2023 16:23:16 GMT 1
Seeing how nature just takes over areas abandoned byhumans, I'm imagining that but on a global scale. Imagine someone from another planet visiting our planet after humanity vanishes and seeds all the abandoned building and structures claimed by nature. Sounds like a great idea for a movie. I think the original Planet of the Apes used that premise.
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Post by LokisMom on Jun 18, 2023 13:02:38 GMT 1
Yay. You win. You tried to pick this same fight elsewhere. Suicide is only a sin for certain people. If this planet has a nuclear war, I’m out if the bomb doesn’t take me out first. You can die long painful death if you so chose. You picked this fight. Not me. More like I answered a question and you didn’t like my answer. And it’s not fight, but lively discussion. You’re having fun, obviously.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 18, 2023 13:49:58 GMT 1
You picked this fight. Not me. More like I answered a question and you didn’t like my answer. And it’s not fight, but lively discussion. You’re having fun, obviously. As long as you are not upset. No, you attacked me and the religious beliefs you erroneously thought I had, without asking me what my religious beliefs were. And your faux understanding of religion was limited to a literal interpretation of the Bible. And your vision of any world where humans disappeared was unnecessarily pessimistic, cynical and depressing. But as long as you are enjoying yourself.
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