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Post by AQUA KEN! on May 24, 2023 12:37:03 GMT 1
Not only would it be quiet, the planet would be peaceful. At least until the next intelligent life form takes over.
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Post by LokisMom on May 24, 2023 14:42:02 GMT 1
So where did the suicide is a sin belief come from? Hey, itâs all hypothetical and we will die in comfortable beds. Christians generally believe that. I had a Christian upbringing. And itâs a human notion, not something found in the Bible, which is the sole source for Christian dogma. Itâs ironic the church that made suicide a grave sin, had no problem burning people alive for thinking it differently. Like, you if donât believe suicide is a sin youâll be put to death.
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Post by movieliker on May 24, 2023 14:47:19 GMT 1
Christians generally believe that. I had a Christian upbringing. And itâs a human notion, not something found in the Bible, which is the sole source for Christian dogma.  Itâs ironic the church that made suicide a grave sin, had no problem burning people alive for thinking it differently.  Like, you if donât believe suicide is a sin youâll be put to death. The Bible was written by human beings --- fallible, not "all knowing" human beings. I never brought up the Bible. I know you non believers love to use the Bible as a strawman. Get off it. Like I said before, even if there is no God or afterlife, I would rather live a miserable life, than no life at all (suicide). Of course you can do whatever you want. But I'm gonna try to survive.
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Post by LokisMom on May 24, 2023 14:52:17 GMT 1
The title of the thread is, âWhat would happen if humans suddenly disappeared?â What am I supposed to be? Happy? No. But not being happy, and committing suicide are two different things. Why would God punish you for it? If you believe he can do anything, you donât think he knows your every thought and emotion? Could you send your children to an everlasting infinite pit of unimaginable torment because they disobeyed you? I know you wouldânt. No sane human would. Why do you distrust your Father who says he loves you? He died for you, yet you think heâd do that to you because you become depressed, despondent or mentally ill? This is why I couldnât continue to take Christianity seriously.
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Post by movieliker on May 24, 2023 15:01:41 GMT 1
No. But not being happy, and committing suicide are two different things. Why would God punish you for it? If you believe he can do anything, you donât think he knows your every thought and emotion? Could you send your children to an everlasting infinite pit of unimaginable torment because they disobeyed you? I know you wouldânt. No sane human would. Why do you distrust your Father who says he loves you? He died for you, yet you think heâd do that to you because you become depressed, despondent or mentally ill? This is why I couldnât continue to take Christianity seriously.  Nobody knows what God is going to do, except God. And I'm not God. So I'm not taking a chance. I'm going to try to do the right thing to earn the best chance of avoiding Hell, and getting into Heaven.
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Post by LokisMom on May 24, 2023 21:20:51 GMT 1
Why would God punish you for it? If you believe he can do anything, you donât think he knows your every thought and emotion? Could you send your children to an everlasting infinite pit of unimaginable torment because they disobeyed you? I know you wouldânt. No sane human would. Why do you distrust your Father who says he loves you? He died for you, yet you think heâd do that to you because you become depressed, despondent or mentally ill? This is why I couldnât continue to take Christianity seriously. Nobody knows what God is going to do, except God. And I'm not God. So I'm not taking a chance. I'm going to try to do the right thing to earn the best chance of avoiding Hell, and getting into Heaven. God or Nature or Very Existence gave you intelligence to find out things for yourself and it only a takes a bit of reading the Bible on your own without preacher or side note commentary telling you otherwise, that Hell and Satan as we understand them from popular culture are not presented as such in the Bible. Youâre wasting your life in fear. But if that dreaded illusion is what makes you happy, itâs your life.
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Post by movieliker on May 24, 2023 21:42:03 GMT 1
Nobody knows what God is going to do, except God. And I'm not God. So I'm not taking a chance. I'm going to try to do the right thing to earn the best chance of avoiding Hell, and getting into Heaven. God or Nature or Very Existence gave you intelligence to find out things for yourself and it only a takes a bit of reading the Bible on your own without preacher or side note commentary telling you otherwise, that Hell and Satan as we understand them from popular culture are not presented as such in the Bible. Youâre wasting your life in fear.  But if that dreaded illusion is what makes you happy, itâs your life. Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible, as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on May 24, 2023 23:47:25 GMT 1
God or Nature or Very Existence gave you intelligence to find out things for yourself and it only a takes a bit of reading the Bible on your own without preacher or side note commentary telling you otherwise, that Hell and Satan as we understand them from popular culture are not presented as such in the Bible. Youâre wasting your life in fear. But if that dreaded illusion is what makes you happy, itâs your life. Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again. Or faith in something else, re the Bible is an easy target. The juxtaposition is balancing organized religion with having a spiritual side. I have never encountered a person in my life without some spiritual side, even if it takes some digging to find.
Suicide, I would imagine, indicates a true loss of faith in oneself to eke out a life worth living enough to not trade for death, but I also concede different cultures have different views of death and the afterlife, and by the standards with which they were raised, their entirely different views are as logical to them as mine are to me.
My best guess for what happens if humans disappear is the Earth slowly rejuvenates itself. Given a few more million years, I reckon evolution will strike and the first beings to develop sentient life will grow around the ruins of urban infrastructure.
The initial mystery of where did it all come from will spark new and vastly different origin myths about the universe. Some vastly different set of beliefs might be the new Christianity. Christianity, Judaism, Islam; they'll probably all be considered old world religions and spoken of in the same vein as tribal religions that didn't get far past the rain forests.
By then, hopefully it will be passe, but there's no guarantee some new, worst ever cult won't take its place, and that to even consider citing Christianity, Judaism or Islam will be a death penalty offense.
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2023 2:47:55 GMT 1
Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again. Or faith in something else, re the Bible is an easy target. The juxtaposition is balancing organized religion with having a spiritual side. I have never encountered a person in my life without some spiritual side, even if it takes some digging to find.
Suicide, I would imagine, indicates a true loss of faith in oneself to eke out a life worth living enough to not trade for death, but I also concede different cultures have different views of death and the afterlife, and by the standards with which they were raised, their entirely different views are as logical to them as mine are to me.
My best guess for what happens if humans disappear is the Earth slowly rejuvenates itself. Given a few more million years, I reckon evolution will strike and the first beings to develop sentient life will grow around the ruins of urban infrastructure.
The initial mystery of where did it all come from will spark new and vastly different origin myths about the universe. Some vastly different set of beliefs might be the new Christianity. Christianity, Judaism, Islam; they'll probably all be considered old world religions and spoken of in the same vein as tribal religions that didn't get far past the rain forests.
By then, hopefully it will be passe, but there's no guarantee some new, worst ever cult won't take its place, and that to even consider citing Christianity, Judaism or Islam will be a death penalty offense. All the major religions have developed and guided spirituality to offer any follower. Yes, the administration of any religion lends itself to the possible fallibilities of the men and women who administer it. But that doesn't take away from the pure spirituality. Just like any discipline, cohorts need to learn to think for themselves. And not be blind sheep to their organizational leaders. That is why I don't belong to any organized religion.
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 15:19:09 GMT 1
God or Nature or Very Existence gave you intelligence to find out things for yourself and it only a takes a bit of reading the Bible on your own without preacher or side note commentary telling you otherwise, that Hell and Satan as we understand them from popular culture are not presented as such in the Bible. Youâre wasting your life in fear. But if that dreaded illusion is what makes you happy, itâs your life. Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible, as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again. There is no need to attack me. I do know whatâs in the Bible because Iâve read it cover to cover. I understand religion because Iâve made a formal study of it. Nor am I condemning the Bible. I love Bible study. Its cultural impact is profound. I do not disrespect that. However if youâre not drawing your theology against suicide from the Bible, where are you getting it from?
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 15:47:51 GMT 1
Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again. Or faith in something else, re the Bible is an easy target. The juxtaposition is balancing organized religion with having a spiritual side. I have never encountered a person in my life without some spiritual side, even if it takes some digging to find.
Suicide, I would imagine, indicates a true loss of faith in oneself to eke out a life worth living enough to not trade for death, but I also concede different cultures have different views of death and the afterlife, and by the standards with which they were raised, their entirely different views are as logical to them as mine are to me.
My best guess for what happens if humans disappear is the Earth slowly rejuvenates itself. Given a few more million years, I reckon evolution will strike and the first beings to develop sentient life will grow around the ruins of urban infrastructure.
The initial mystery of where did it all come from will spark new and vastly different origin myths about the universe. Some vastly different set of beliefs might be the new Christianity. Christianity, Judaism, Islam; they'll probably all be considered old world religions and spoken of in the same vein as tribal religions that didn't get far past the rain forests.
By then, hopefully it will be passe, but there's no guarantee some new, worst ever cult won't take its place, and that to even consider citing Christianity, Judaism or Islam will be a death penalty offense. Itâs not the religions per se I object to, itâs the control these religions exert over their people they then force onto others who do not believe in their form of religion. Too many Christians excuse the abuses some churches have used to oppress people by saying the Muslims are much worse. Thatâs probably true as far as sheer violent oppression goes, but Texas attempting to enforce a very specific form of Christianity upon all Texas citizens is gross abuse of religion and power. It could in time become as violent as Islam if non-believers resist because Christianity certainly was very violent to non-believers in the past. Even others Christians. If some of televangelists had lived in the 1300s and preached their message, theyâd be burned at stake for it. There are very well-known, popular Evangelical preachers telling their congregations via Trinity Broadcasting, et al, found on most cable platforms to rip this âgodlessâ nation apart and make it Christian âagainâ and not paying a dime in taxes while doing it.
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2023 16:02:43 GMT 1
Or faith in something else, re the Bible is an easy target. The juxtaposition is balancing organized religion with having a spiritual side. I have never encountered a person in my life without some spiritual side, even if it takes some digging to find.
Suicide, I would imagine, indicates a true loss of faith in oneself to eke out a life worth living enough to not trade for death, but I also concede different cultures have different views of death and the afterlife, and by the standards with which they were raised, their entirely different views are as logical to them as mine are to me.
My best guess for what happens if humans disappear is the Earth slowly rejuvenates itself. Given a few more million years, I reckon evolution will strike and the first beings to develop sentient life will grow around the ruins of urban infrastructure.
The initial mystery of where did it all come from will spark new and vastly different origin myths about the universe. Some vastly different set of beliefs might be the new Christianity. Christianity, Judaism, Islam; they'll probably all be considered old world religions and spoken of in the same vein as tribal religions that didn't get far past the rain forests.
By then, hopefully it will be passe, but there's no guarantee some new, worst ever cult won't take its place, and that to even consider citing Christianity, Judaism or Islam will be a death penalty offense. Itâs not the religions per se I object to, itâs the control these religions exert over their people they then force onto others who do not believe in their form of religion. Too many Christians excuse the abuses some churches have used to oppress people by saying the Muslims are much worse. Thatâs probably true as far as sheer violent oppression goes, but Texas attempting to enforce a very specific form of Christianity upon all Texas citizens is gross abuse of religion and power. It could in time become as violent as Islam if non-believers resist because Christianity certainly was very violent to non-believers in the past. Even others Christians. If some of televangelists had lived in the 1300s and preached their message, theyâd be burned at stake for it. There are very well-known, popular Evangelical preachers telling their congregations via Trinity Broadcasting, et al, found on most cable platforms to rip this âgodlessâ nation apart and make it Christian âagainâ and not paying a dime in taxes while doing it. Your problem is not with religion. It's with religious organizations. There is a difference. People make mistakes. Many people are stupid, some people are evil. Just being a member of an organized religion won't change that fact of life. Every large group of people has a few bad apples. Even religious groups. That is not the religion's fault. That is the fault of the organization. And/or the fault of the individual actors. Don't confuse the two --- religions and religious organizations.
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 16:06:24 GMT 1
Or faith in something else, re the Bible is an easy target. The juxtaposition is balancing organized religion with having a spiritual side. I have never encountered a person in my life without some spiritual side, even if it takes some digging to find.
Suicide, I would imagine, indicates a true loss of faith in oneself to eke out a life worth living enough to not trade for death, but I also concede different cultures have different views of death and the afterlife, and by the standards with which they were raised, their entirely different views are as logical to them as mine are to me.
My best guess for what happens if humans disappear is the Earth slowly rejuvenates itself. Given a few more million years, I reckon evolution will strike and the first beings to develop sentient life will grow around the ruins of urban infrastructure.
The initial mystery of where did it all come from will spark new and vastly different origin myths about the universe. Some vastly different set of beliefs might be the new Christianity. Christianity, Judaism, Islam; they'll probably all be considered old world religions and spoken of in the same vein as tribal religions that didn't get far past the rain forests.
By then, hopefully it will be passe, but there's no guarantee some new, worst ever cult won't take its place, and that to even consider citing Christianity, Judaism or Islam will be a death penalty offense. All the major religions have developed and guided spirituality to offer any follower. Yes, the administration of any religion lends itself to the possible fallibilities of the men and women who administer it. But that doesn't take away from the pure spirituality.Just like any discipline, cohorts need to learn to think for themselves. And not be blind sheep to their organizational leaders. That is why I don't belong to any organized religion. ***** I agree and did you know Jewish, Muslim, and Christian spirituality all spring from Pagan religions? There are at least two different Gods in the OT. One is more Mesopotamian in character, while the other is more Egyptian. This indicates historically, the people of the Bible came from different traditions and over time they became more culturally unified by combining their differences myths. What the Bible calls the Divine Sons of God, that is the Angels, are demigods in the older myths. In Christianity some saints like the Virgin Mary were gods themselves. Mary is a version of Astarte. The forgotten first chapter in Genesis, where God is splitting chaos from order as Tiamat and Marduk can be found in the closing chapters of Job. To me spirituality is not accepting dogma with no argument, itâs an exploration using Dreamtime. Iâm not dissing your faith, ML, Iâm challenging you to explore it without fear.
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2023 16:06:55 GMT 1
Once again, I never mentioned the Bible. Obviously you do not understand religion. The Bible is an easy target for those too stupid to have any faith. You keep trying to condemn me for having religion. And then you try to condemn the Bible, as if it was written by God. News flash --- God didn't write the Bible. It's just a collection of Gospels written by different men who didn't even know each other. It's not perfect. It's not always correct. It's just a book. It doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. If you are not tired of making a fool of yourself, try again. There is no need to attack me. I do know whatâs in the Bible because Iâve read it cover to cover. I understand religion because Iâve made a formal study of it. Nor am I condemning the Bible. I love Bible study. Its cultural impact is profound. I do not disrespect that. However if youâre not drawing your theology against suicide from the Bible, where are you getting it from? I get it from the same place all people should get their individual philosophy, morals, ethics and spirituality from --- many different sources. Anybody who thinks the Bible has all the answers is stupid. And they are going to have a stupid opinion. Same with any single organized religion.
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 16:10:45 GMT 1
There is no need to attack me. I do know whatâs in the Bible because Iâve read it cover to cover. I understand religion because Iâve made a formal study of it. Nor am I condemning the Bible. I love Bible study. Its cultural impact is profound. I do not disrespect that. However if youâre not drawing your theology against suicide from the Bible, where are you getting it from? I get it from the same place all people should get their individual philosophy, morals, ethics and spirituality from --- many different sources.Anybody who thinks the Bible has all the answers is stupid. And they are going to have a stupid opinion. Same with any single organized religion. Can you cite one specifically that would cause you to endure a prolonged suffering when youâre gonna die anyway? Speaking realistically, Iâm going for doctor assisted suicide if becomes necessary. And Iâm not going to Hell for it either. You can suffer, but please donât make the choice for others nor frighten them with medieval myths of Hellfire.
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2023 16:16:14 GMT 1
I get it from the same place all people should get their individual philosophy, morals, ethics and spirituality from --- many different sources.Anybody who thinks the Bible has all the answers is stupid. And they are going to have a stupid opinion. Same with any single organized religion. Can you cite one specifically that would cause you to endure a prolonged suffering when youâre gonna die anyway? Speaking realistically, Iâm going for doctor assisted suicide if becomes necessary. And Iâm not going to Hell for it either. You can suffer, but please donât make the choice for others nor frighten them with medieval myths of Hellfire. I never said what you believe is wrong. Or you should change your beliefs. I've spent all my time here with you defending my opinion. It has little or nothing to do with religion. It's science and logic. I even told you whether God exist or not. You have to decide for yourself what you would do in any possible situation. But in my opinion, I would probably try to survive as long as possible.
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 17:38:34 GMT 1
Can you cite one specifically that would cause you to endure a prolonged suffering when youâre gonna die anyway? Speaking realistically, Iâm going for doctor assisted suicide if becomes necessary. And Iâm not going to Hell for it either. You can suffer, but please donât make the choice for others nor frighten them with medieval myths of Hellfire. I never said what you believe is wrong. Or you should change your beliefs. I've spent all my time here with you defending my opinion. It has little or nothing to do with religion. It's science and logic. I even told you whether God exist or not. You have to decide for yourself what you would do in any possible situation. But in my opinion, I would probably try to survive as long as possible. But such a dire opinion of God. Youâve said yourself youâre too afraid to take the chance and my point is, you are causing yourself unnecessary stress and fear. I donât see that as a healthy spirituality.
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2023 18:22:34 GMT 1
I never said what you believe is wrong. Or you should change your beliefs. I've spent all my time here with you defending my opinion. It has little or nothing to do with religion. It's science and logic. I even told you whether God exist or not. You have to decide for yourself what you would do in any possible situation. But in my opinion, I would probably try to survive as long as possible. But such a dire opinion of God. Youâve said yourself youâre too afraid to take the chance and my point is, you are causing yourself unnecessary stress and fear. I donât see that as a healthy spirituality. I never said I was afraid.
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Post by LokisMom on May 25, 2023 19:04:25 GMT 1
But such a dire opinion of God. Youâve said yourself youâre too afraid to take the chance and my point is, you are causing yourself unnecessary stress and fear. I donât see that as a healthy spirituality. I never said I was afraid. Letâs agree to disagree.
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Post by movieliker on May 26, 2023 11:39:26 GMT 1
I never said I was afraid. Letâs agree to disagree. I'm not going to agree. I never said I was afraid.
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Post by LokisMom on May 26, 2023 12:13:41 GMT 1
Letâs agree to disagree. I'm not going to agree. I never said I was afraid. Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word.
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Post by movieliker on May 26, 2023 13:57:54 GMT 1
I'm not going to agree. I never said I was afraid. Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word. You think you have a problem with religion. But as I said in an earlier post, your problem is with religious organizations. Not religion. Religious organizations and religion. Two different things.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on May 26, 2023 15:48:33 GMT 1
I'm not going to agree. I never said I was afraid. Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word. But what about the L word?!
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Post by Merv on May 26, 2023 16:41:02 GMT 1
Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word. But what about the L word?! Lesbian?
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Post by Lord Death Man on May 26, 2023 19:19:14 GMT 1
The real question is, what would happen if this thread suddenly disappeared. đ
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Post by LokisMom on May 26, 2023 20:45:01 GMT 1
But what about the L word?! Lesbian? Merv, are calling me a lesbian? If so, why?
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Post by LokisMom on May 26, 2023 20:45:37 GMT 1
The real question is, what would happen if this thread suddenly disappeared. đ Iâm behind this measure.
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Post by LokisMom on May 26, 2023 20:47:22 GMT 1
Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word. But what about the L word?! I used the word âlast.â It is spelled out.
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Post by LokisMom on May 26, 2023 20:49:00 GMT 1
Whatever. I get the last word: Last Word. You think you have a problem with religion. But as I said in an earlier post, your problem is with religious organizations. Not religion. Religious organizations and religion. Two different things. Not with religion, itâs the people who invent and organize it. Canât really have one without the other. And Iâm a Pagan, so And please donât post this âWhat do you think?â if you donât want to know what others think.
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Post by movieliker on May 26, 2023 22:51:37 GMT 1
You think you have a problem with religion. But as I said in an earlier post, your problem is with religious organizations. Not religion. Religious organizations and religion. Two different things. Not with religion, itâs the people who invent and organize it. Canât really have one without the other. And Iâm a Pagan, so  And please donât post this âWhat do you think?â if you donât want to know what others think. I never said I didn't want to know what you thought. And I never said I would agree with all opinions. If you can't take disagreement, don't post your opinion.
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