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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2022 19:34:05 GMT 1
Which 2023 MCU movie are you the most excited for?
Agatha Coven of Chaos This has the potential to be their biggest show of the year based on the rampant insanity of Wanda stans. Every week, they will tear it apart frame by frame, looking for evidence of her coming. The project was misguided and likely to be heavily padded from a story perspective. I will probably watch and enjoy this for what it is, but this is "minor Dickens" for me.
Echo This is another problematic entry for me. On the one hand, it's Daredevil adjacent, so huzzah! On the other hand, the character is a complete 180 from the comic books and is Marvel's most blatant attempt at pandering to date. As much as I'm lukewarm on it - it could be a sleeper hit.
Iron Heart This really should have spun out of Armor Wars. I'm one of the few who likes this comic book character. The same is not valid for her live-action counterpart. I'm willing to wait and see, but this feels like "minor Dickens," too.
Loki Season 2 Losing Herron was a blow - no doubt. But she left a solid blueprint for success - all they have to do is follow it to keep this Death Lord happy.
Secret Invasion I wasn't a fan of this comic book, and I'm glad it went to series instead of cinema. I don't have high hopes for it, but the cast is excellent, and the trailers look solid.
What If…? Season 2 I'm looking forward to it, but we'll be lucky if people remember when this show is supposed to air. My only complaint is that this show is not live-action. It would have been the best show on the streamer if it was… easily.
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Post by Merv on Dec 29, 2022 19:52:21 GMT 1
Loki 2 but as I mentioned on the podcast a few weeks ago...most of the upcoming tv shows are going to have to win me over. I'll give them the opportunity but I don't have a natural interest in an Agatha centric tv show or one focusing on background characters from other products.
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Post by Merv on Dec 29, 2022 20:12:36 GMT 1
Just some thoughts on…
Secret Invasion…the Skrulls were good guys in Captain Marvel and the MCU has done nothing to push them as nefarious or hinted at an actual Secret Invasion to build up interest for this series. So I don’t even really know what this will be about. Making it smaller in scale is probably a good idea and so honestly think maybe making a kind of Faculty/Invaders from Mars type story with a teenage superhero at the center of it (Ms Marvel for instance) could’ve been a really cool idea. But I have no idea what I’m supposed to expect from that one.
Echo and Ironheart having already been introduced as background characters or antagonists of other shows kind of pops the interest bubble because I wasn’t big enough fans during their initial appearance to be all that curious about a solo project.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2022 20:43:44 GMT 1
Just some thoughts on… Secret Invasion…the Skrulls were good guys in Captain Marvel and the MCU has done nothing to push them as nefarious or hinted at an actual Secret Invasion to build up interest for this series. So I don’t even really know what this will be about. Making it smaller in scale is probably a good idea and so honestly think maybe making a kind of Faculty/Invaders from Mars type story with a teenage superhero at the center of it (Ms Marvel for instance) could’ve been a really cool idea. But I have no idea what I’m supposed to expect from that one. Echo and Ironheart having already been introduced as background characters or antagonists of other shows kind of pops the interest bubble because I wasn’t big enough fans during their initial appearance to be all that curious about a solo project. I could see them going with a group of radicalized Skrulls for Secret Invasion, but yes, they did paint themselves into a corner for this story when they made the Skrulls good guys in Captain Marvel. I would have turned the concept on its head and made the Kree into the 'invaders' instead of the Skrulls. I had a killer idea for it too… Feige, there's still time. Call me.
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 29, 2022 22:01:12 GMT 1
Secret Invasion for sure. Loki S2 a close second. The rest is not something that excites me.
2023 is the weakest line up of shows to date beforehand. However it could surprise me.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2022 22:37:47 GMT 1
Loki 2 but as I mentioned on the podcast a few weeks ago...most of the upcoming tv shows are going to have to win me over. I'll give them the opportunity but I don't have a natural interest in an Agatha centric tv show or one focusing on background characters from other products. I'm always in favor of more content; it adds value to my subscription. That said, Disney is probably adding most of these shows to pad the library. Not many of them seem designed to attract new subscribers. People on YouTube and Twitter like to count minutes watched and pit the shows against each other on top 10 lists. I don't think the streamers care about that stuff at all. The goal is to add more subs. That's all Wall Street cares about. Strangely enough, I think the streaming releases of the films likely do more to add subs than the shows.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 29, 2022 23:11:48 GMT 1
I'm officially on the 'Die, Disney+, Die!' train thanks to them not only stubbornly refusing to release any of their MCU shows on DVD/Blu-ray, but now they've apparently taken Doctor Who as well! So I guess I won't be getting to see anymore of it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 30, 2022 0:19:43 GMT 1
I'm officially on the 'Die, Disney+, Die!' train thanks to them not only stubbornly refusing to release any of their MCU shows on DVD/Blu-ray, but now they've apparently taken Doctor Who as well! So I guess I won't be getting to see anymore of it. Sadly, physical media runs counter to the streaming business model. It's all about exclusivity. I have no actual data to prove this but, I suspect people are buying less and less physical media.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 30, 2022 16:32:07 GMT 1
I'm officially on the 'Die, Disney+, Die!' train thanks to them not only stubbornly refusing to release any of their MCU shows on DVD/Blu-ray, but now they've apparently taken Doctor Who as well! So I guess I won't be getting to see anymore of it. Sadly, physical media runs counter to the streaming business model. It's all about exclusivity. I have no actual data to prove this but, I suspect people are buying less and less physical media. Which is a mistake. It ought to be about getting their products in as many revenue streams as possible.
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Post by Merv on Dec 31, 2022 6:33:21 GMT 1
I'm officially on the 'Die, Disney+, Die!' train thanks to them not only stubbornly refusing to release any of their MCU shows on DVD/Blu-ray, but now they've apparently taken Doctor Who as well! So I guess I won't be getting to see anymore of it. Sadly, physical media runs counter to the streaming business model. It's all about exclusivity. I have no actual data to prove this but, I suspect people are buying less and less physical media. I’m sure that’s true. You can see it if you walk into a Target or Best Buy. The dvd/cd section used to be huge and now it’s like an aisle of your lucky.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jan 2, 2023 22:51:28 GMT 1
I'm officially on the 'Die, Disney+, Die!' train thanks to them not only stubbornly refusing to release any of their MCU shows on DVD/Blu-ray, but now they've apparently taken Doctor Who as well! So I guess I won't be getting to see anymore of it. Sadly, physical media runs counter to the streaming business model. It's all about exclusivity. I have no actual data to prove this but, I suspect people are buying less and less physical media. I agree and I reckon that's true. In a sense, I understand the argument that product is wasteful and if merchandise can consume less resources, there's something to be gained from it. I however don't like the exclusivity business model. I like owning things. I like being able to transport and share them, and while the shelf life of VHS and DVDs (the latter, probably) has its limits, it's a system I prefer to streaming services hoarding their products in a manner befitting their absence from public circulation.
I also remain of the opinion that items, whether they be movies or individual episodes of shows, can be removed on a whim to make room for original content or because of political tensions. If you own it, it can't be withheld, edited, or removed by a third party. I think there should be a move toward less material possessions, not more, but physical media is an exception. It's too easy for the combined effort of companies to control the narrative. I'm aware that there will never be a world where this isn't already the case; we all live our lives under the influence of decisions of more powerful people, so I know it can't be stopped. It can be stayed/curtailed in places, though.
My free trial of Disney + is over. Damn, I never watched Barbarian or Andor, but at least I finished the last two episodes of She-Hulk. ...
I'm pretty much on the die Disney+ die train, but I won't say no to Loki season 2.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2023 0:25:49 GMT 1
Sadly, physical media runs counter to the streaming business model. It's all about exclusivity. I have no actual data to prove this but, I suspect people are buying less and less physical media. I agree and I reckon that's true. In a sense, I understand the argument that product is wasteful and if merchandise can consume less resources, there's something to be gained from it. I however don't like the exclusivity business model. I like owning things. I like being able to transport and share them, and while the shelf life of VHS and DVDs (the latter, probably) has its limits, it's a system I prefer to streaming services hoarding their products in a manner befitting their absence from public circulation.
I also remain of the opinion that items, whether they be movies or individual episodes of shows, can be removed on a whim to make room for original content or because of political tensions. If you own it, it can't be withheld, edited, or removed by a third party. I think there should be a move toward less material possessions, not more, but physical media is an exception. It's too easy for the combined effort of companies to control the narrative. I'm aware that there will never be a world where this isn't already the case; we all live our lives under the influence of decisions of more powerful people, so I know it can't be stopped. It can be stayed/curtailed in places, though.
My free trial of Disney + is over. Damn, I never watched Barbarian or Andor, but at least I finished the last two episodes of She-Hulk. ...
I'm pretty much on the die Disney+ die train, but I won't say no to Loki season 2.
Well stated. I can see both sides of the argument. Watching movies and TV shows is one of my favorite hobbies. There's certainly room for both streaming and physical media. You don't have to choose. To simplify my life and focus on finishing my first novel, I decided to sell the bulk of my material possessions a while back. That included books, comics, Blu-rays, DVDs, and other collectibles. I occasionally feel minor pangs of regret, but for the most part, I am okay with my decision. Ironically, when doing a head count of the few physical media disks I've acquired since my last big sell-off, I currently have 64 discs. They add up fast.
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Post by Merv on Jan 3, 2023 2:22:02 GMT 1
I agree and I reckon that's true. In a sense, I understand the argument that product is wasteful and if merchandise can consume less resources, there's something to be gained from it. I however don't like the exclusivity business model. I like owning things. I like being able to transport and share them, and while the shelf life of VHS and DVDs (the latter, probably) has its limits, it's a system I prefer to streaming services hoarding their products in a manner befitting their absence from public circulation.
I also remain of the opinion that items, whether they be movies or individual episodes of shows, can be removed on a whim to make room for original content or because of political tensions. If you own it, it can't be withheld, edited, or removed by a third party. I think there should be a move toward less material possessions, not more, but physical media is an exception. It's too easy for the combined effort of companies to control the narrative. I'm aware that there will never be a world where this isn't already the case; we all live our lives under the influence of decisions of more powerful people, so I know it can't be stopped. It can be stayed/curtailed in places, though.
My free trial of Disney + is over. Damn, I never watched Barbarian or Andor, but at least I finished the last two episodes of She-Hulk. ...
I'm pretty much on the die Disney+ die train, but I won't say no to Loki season 2.
Well stated. I can see both sides of the argument. Watching movies and TV shows is one of my favorite hobbies. There's certainly room for both streaming and physical media. You don't have to choose. To simplify my life and focus on finishing my first novel, I decided to sell the bulk of my material possessions a while back. That included books, comics, Blu-rays, DVDs, and other collectibles. I occasionally feel minor pangs of regret, but for the most part, I am okay with my decision. Ironically, when doing a head count of the few physical media disks I've acquired since my last big sell-off, I currently have 64 discs. They add up fast. I may not frequent the Circuit City dvd racks like I used to but I still buy a handful of dvds and blu rays each year. Mostly horror because I like that sort of thing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2023 3:32:37 GMT 1
Well stated. I can see both sides of the argument. Watching movies and TV shows is one of my favorite hobbies. There's certainly room for both streaming and physical media. You don't have to choose. To simplify my life and focus on finishing my first novel, I decided to sell the bulk of my material possessions a while back. That included books, comics, Blu-rays, DVDs, and other collectibles. I occasionally feel minor pangs of regret, but for the most part, I am okay with my decision. Ironically, when doing a head count of the few physical media disks I've acquired since my last big sell-off, I currently have 64 discs. They add up fast. I may not frequent the Circuit City dvd racks like I used to but I still buy a handful of dvds and blu rays each year. Mostly horror because I like that sort of thing. Same - I usually avoid recent commercial blockbusters. They're typically ubiquitous across streaming and physical media. Cult films and older films with updated commentary are what I focus on.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jan 14, 2023 20:23:58 GMT 1
I may not frequent the Circuit City dvd racks like I used to but I still buy a handful of dvds and blu rays each year. Mostly horror because I like that sort of thing. Same - I usually avoid recent commercial blockbusters. They're typically ubiquitous across streaming and physical media. Cult films and older films with updated commentary are what I focus on. I like perusing closing video stores. One of my best ever hauls came from a store I'd been a customer at for not long enough before it closed, but as a person who became a regular customer in its twilight days, I was allowed to write a bunch of movies I wanted and they'd see what they could do about setting them aside for me. I didn't get all I wanted due to competing interests, but I definitely shored up my black and white Japanese collection. It was worth it.
I'll buy DVDs if I'm convinced they aren't available elsewhere. Most of them are ancient and probably no longer made. Being of a foreign language also helps make the decision. One DVD I acquired was The Life of Oharu (1952), and I'd gotten almost an hour and a half through a version I downloaded just for it to stop cold turkey. That version was almost impossible to find; all the others didn't have subtitles. I've only once successfully merged subtitles downloaded separately with a movie. I'm decent with computers but I'm not a wiz.
When I die, I intend to have my DVDs allocated to the public library. I have some that I'm really proud of, like the odd Tarkovsky, Ozu, Kurosawa, etc, that I would love for people to see on the shelves of a library than jump through hoops to download a version that might not have subtitles, or give out. That's my attraction to DVDs and physical media. Something is less likely to go wrong with the real thing than a download. Sometimes a movie's just too good to risk it.
Even if it was a Marvel movie. Can you imagine the Avengers: Endgame download cutting out after Thor's hammer flies right past him but before it lands in Captain America's hands?
Or Infinity War - Thanos: "you should have gone for the h--" . It might take years before those same regret pangs stop sneaking up on me. But also, congratulations on writing the novel! Good stuff. Good luck!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 21, 2023 12:10:00 GMT 1
I’m with Merv on this. Loki Season 2 I am definitely into, and while I’ve enjoyed and found most of the shows to be both good and entertaining, they feel at least to this point largely skippable. I’m sure a lot of this stuff will be relevant in the future but they’re a quite a large list of new introductions and series. I actually am more interested in putting together some stats of how many new characters have come in during each phase because this has ti be blowing every other phase out of the water.
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Post by Merv on Jan 21, 2023 15:11:13 GMT 1
I’m with Merv on this. Loki Season 2 I am definitely into, and while I’ve enjoyed and found most of the shows to be both good and entertaining, they feel at least to this point largely skippable. I’m sure a lot of this stuff will be relevant in the future but they’re a quite a large list of new introductions and series. I actually am more interested in putting together some stats of how many new characters have come in during each phase because this has ti be blowing every other phase out of the water. Yea I think it’s probably a bit too much too fast. They replaced Tony, Nat and Steve with *2 dozen far less memorable characters. They’ve got line to spare with me before I won’t check it out, and I do think phase 5 will center itself a bit on a particular goal…but if it doesn’t it’s still over a decade of entertainment. *I didn’t actually do the math but…you know
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 21, 2023 15:30:12 GMT 1
I’m with Merv on this. Loki Season 2 I am definitely into, and while I’ve enjoyed and found most of the shows to be both good and entertaining, they feel at least to this point largely skippable. I’m sure a lot of this stuff will be relevant in the future but they’re a quite a large list of new introductions and series. I actually am more interested in putting together some stats of how many new characters have come in during each phase because this has ti be blowing every other phase out of the water. Yea I think it’s probably a bit too much too fast. They replaced Tony, Nat and Steve with *2 dozen far less memorable characters. They’ve got line to spare with me before I won’t check it out, and I do think phase 5 will center itself a bit on a particular goal…but if it doesn’t it’s still over a decade of entertainment. *I didn’t actually do the math but…you know im in that same boat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 20:06:24 GMT 1
Yea I think it’s probably a bit too much too fast. They replaced Tony, Nat and Steve with *2 dozen far less memorable characters. They’ve got line to spare with me before I won’t check it out, and I do think phase 5 will center itself a bit on a particular goal…but if it doesn’t it’s still over a decade of entertainment. *I didn’t actually do the math but…you know im in that same boat! Don’t say I didn’t warn you about the expansion to DisneyFlix. I hope this doesn’t sound smug, but I knew this would happen because it was a 100% business decision. It wasn’t about what’s best for Marvel it was always about using every resource to sell that platform to subs. You guys are both so correct when you say the shows are skippable and filled with less memorable characters. The magic was slowly bled from the franchise with all this tv content.
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 5, 2023 22:39:40 GMT 1
Loki S2 of course, but I’m ready for some Secret Invasion.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 9, 2023 11:53:43 GMT 1
Don’t say I didn’t warn you about the expansion to DisneyFlix. I hope this doesn’t sound smug, but I knew this would happen because it was a 100% business decision. It wasn’t about what’s best for Marvel it was always about using every resource to sell that platform to subs. You guys are both so correct when you say the shows are skippable and filled with less memorable characters. The magic was slowly bled from the franchise with all this tv content. Yeah some of these shows are either filler or scrapped movie concepts. Hell Secret Invasion story should be something done with the movies but it's getting the tv treatment for some stupid reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 18:10:39 GMT 1
Don’t say I didn’t warn you about the expansion to DisneyFlix. I hope this doesn’t sound smug, but I knew this would happen because it was a 100% business decision. It wasn’t about what’s best for Marvel it was always about using every resource to sell that platform to subs. You guys are both so correct when you say the shows are skippable and filled with less memorable characters. The magic was slowly bled from the franchise with all this tv content. Yeah some of these shows are either filler or scrapped movie concepts. Hell Secret Invasion story should be something done with the movies but it's getting the tv treatment for some stupid reason. Agreed. I still don’t know why they didn’t adapt Secret Invasion for Captain Marvel 2. Especially since based on the test screening leaks the movie basically has no plot.
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