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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 2, 2022 23:44:21 GMT 1
Perhaps I’m misrepresenting the general consensus, and it certainly wasn’t the view of many of you, but I remember a fair amount of “they’re all the same” types of comments through the entire Infinity Saga. Now we’re getting quite different takes and suddenly there are a lot of “they’re too different” types of comments. I mean. Lol. Come on fandom.
And then there are the handful of “phase 4 is too comedic.” Really? In a world where Loki, Widow, Shang Chi, Hawkeye, Eternals, Panther, Falcon & TWS, and Moonknight all exist? And I don’t think NWH or MOM hurt that that serious tone very much.
I think we’re getting a lot of fun variety. There’s a little more every taste and I think that’s winning. It’s grown to full on comics come to life.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 3, 2022 0:13:45 GMT 1
One of the things I've liked about Phase 4 is that it gave us some 'different' types of MCU films - Black Widow, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals and Doctor Strange in the MoM all felt something we hadn't seen before in the MCU. I appreciated that they experimented with trying something *new*. Whether the films were 'good different' or 'bad different' is, of course, up to each individual's personal opinion.
My biggest fear now is that because of the criticism these 'different' films have faced (as well as the fact that they mightn't have made quite as much money as was expected of them) that Marvel is now going to go back to 'playing it safe' and not try anything that differs that greatly from 'the norm'.
Also, if those rumours about them forcing MCU films to be no longer than 2 hours actually comes true, I feel a lot of their films going forward are going to feel 'rushed' and not have all the little character moments we've come to appreciate. These movies need time to *breathe*.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 3, 2022 3:14:51 GMT 1
Most of the complaints I've seen is that phase 4 was "aimless"
I guess people were expecting a new big villain reveal right away instead of another build up like we got with Thanos.
Another thing I remember was when Marvel revealed the whole Phase 2 and 3 slate people bitched that they basically spoiled some of the films because of the movie announcements.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2022 3:26:32 GMT 1
Most of the complaints I've seen is that phase 4 was "aimless" I guess people were expecting a new big villain reveal right away instead of another build up like we got with Thanos. Another thing I remember was when Marvel revealed the whole Phase 2 and 3 slate people bitched that they basically spoiled some of the films because of the movie announcements. I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 6:37:03 GMT 1
Perhaps I’m misrepresenting the general consensus, and it certainly wasn’t the view of many of you, but I remember a fair amount of “they’re all the same” types of comments through the entire Infinity Saga. Now we’re getting quite different takes and suddenly there are a lot of “they’re too different” types of comments. I mean. Lol. Come on fandom. And then there are the handful of “phase 4 is too comedic.” Really? In a world where Loki, Widow, Shang Chi, Hawkeye, Eternals, Panther, Falcon & TWS, and Moonknight all exist? And I don’t think NWH or MOM hurt that that serious tone very much. I think we’re getting a lot of fun variety. There’s a little more every taste and I think that’s winning. It’s grown to full on comics come to life. The leaks confirm that this fun variety will continue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 6:38:59 GMT 1
Most of the complaints I've seen is that phase 4 was "aimless" I guess people were expecting a new big villain reveal right away instead of another build up like we got with Thanos. Another thing I remember was when Marvel revealed the whole Phase 2 and 3 slate people bitched that they basically spoiled some of the films because of the movie announcements. I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane. The leaks confirm that the road is huge. Reports are conflicting as to whether or not it’s going to be insane though. I’ll keep you posted on these leaks as they leak.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 3, 2022 8:33:15 GMT 1
I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane. The leaks confirm that the road is huge. Reports are conflicting as to whether or not it’s going to be insane though. I’ll keep you posted on these leaks as they leak. What about keeping us posted on leeks?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2022 12:29:10 GMT 1
I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane. The leaks confirm that the road is huge. Reports are conflicting as to whether or not it’s going to be insane though. I’ll keep you posted on these leaks as they leak. ;-) You’re a dog. But like one of those cute ones who’s always got mud all over them but you love ‘em anyway
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2022 12:29:38 GMT 1
Perhaps I’m misrepresenting the general consensus, and it certainly wasn’t the view of many of you, but I remember a fair amount of “they’re all the same” types of comments through the entire Infinity Saga. Now we’re getting quite different takes and suddenly there are a lot of “they’re too different” types of comments. I mean. Lol. Come on fandom. And then there are the handful of “phase 4 is too comedic.” Really? In a world where Loki, Widow, Shang Chi, Hawkeye, Eternals, Panther, Falcon & TWS, and Moonknight all exist? And I don’t think NWH or MOM hurt that that serious tone very much. I think we’re getting a lot of fun variety. There’s a little more every taste and I think that’s winning. It’s grown to full on comics come to life. The leaks confirm that this fun variety will continue. Allllllllright lol
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Post by LokisMom on Aug 3, 2022 15:33:07 GMT 1
My thoughts are ignore the fandom. They are impossible to please. What are the moviegoers saying? Because in the end, that’s what MCU is about: Hollywood-style motion pictures, not a flat comic book.
I think this pleasing the fans or just reproducing a comic book affect on film is what is destroying DCCU. Marvel understand these characters are not one dimensional drawings with bubbles for dialogue where the reader does the heavy lifting imaging the rest, but living characters with the same everyday problem us in the audience has.
I think the previous phases taken as a continuum of a saga is something never attempted in Hollywood. The individual films are hits and misses, sometimes in the same movie, but in the end they won the “World Series.”
But in Phase Four, they are choking. They need to loosen up and go back to making the movies the creative artists using their talents want to make, not what a board room or focus group wants.
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Post by LokisMom on Aug 3, 2022 15:46:09 GMT 1
One of the things I've liked about Phase 4 is that it gave us some 'different' types of MCU films - Black Widow, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals and Doctor Strange in the MoM all felt something we hadn't seen before in the MCU. I appreciated that they experimented with trying something *new*. Whether the films were ' good different' or ' bad different' is, of course, up to each individual's personal opinion. My biggest fear now is that because of the criticism these 'different' films have faced (as well as the fact that they mightn't have made quite as much money as was expected of them) that Marvel is now going to go back to 'playing it safe' and not try anything that differs that greatly from 'the norm'. Also, if those rumours about them forcing MCU films to be no longer than 2 hours actually comes true, I feel a lot of their films going forward are going to feel 'rushed' and not have all the little character moments we've come to appreciate. These movies need time to *breathe*. I’m just addressing the movies and not the TV shows and the individual films themselves are not the problem. It the lack of continuity and attention. And growing dependency on making a commercial product rather than creating a movie narrative. The level of writing has noticeably gone down in the movies. I don’t feel the love I got in the 1-3 phase in the Ph4 movies. There’s no “spirit” in them. Had all these films been made before there was any announced “phases” in the MCU, then they would have been judge accordingly. However, Marvel said this was Phase Four and this requires them to explain why it’s so helter skelter and devoid of soul so far. Example: The Eternals is an okay, entertaining movie by itself, but it is a stinking albatross hanging on the MCU Saga.
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Post by LokisMom on Aug 3, 2022 15:54:09 GMT 1
Most of the complaints I've seen is that phase 4 was "aimless" I guess people were expecting a new big villain reveal right away instead of another build up like we got with Thanos. Another thing I remember was when Marvel revealed the whole Phase 2 and 3 slate people bitched that they basically spoiled some of the films because of the movie announcements. I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane. Coming from outside the comic book world, I don’t think I owe the MCU anything other than expecting to see a good movie. And phase 4 were just not that good. Dr Strange was the best of the lot so far. We’ll see if they can knock it out of park with The Black Panther. But I’m not giving up on the MCU. No, sir. They just need to call down Stan Lee’s spirit for guidance.
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Post by LokisMom on Aug 3, 2022 15:56:48 GMT 1
The leaks confirm that the road is huge. Reports are conflicting as to whether or not it’s going to be insane though. I’ll keep you posted on these leaks as they leak. What about keeping us posted on leeks?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 3, 2022 18:30:24 GMT 1
I do confess I was starting to feel some of the weight of the “aimlessness” but I never doubted they would get there for a second. I think people are impatient. It’s why spoiler culture sells. So I don’t even give complaints like that any credit at all. It’s a non issue. And now that they have outlined the roadmap, I was hit with immediate rejuvenation like it was the Thanos head turn all over again. Imagine a day where Kang is battling over multiple timelines with Dr Doom trying to pull one over on everybody, and looking back and thinking that the epic that was phase 1 was straightforward by comparison. We are hitting an even higher gear and now that the lights are on, I can see the road. It’s huge. This is going to be insane. Coming from outside the comic book world, I don’t think I owe the MCU anything other than expecting to see a good movie. And phase 4 were just not that good. Dr Strange was the best of the lot so far. We’ll see if they can knock it out of park with The Black Panther. But I’m not giving up on the MCU. No, sir. They just need to call down Stan Lee’s spirit for guidance. I’m going to take a moment to pump up Phase 4 a little, because I do sense a little malaise about it in general. I’ve felt a twinge of loss of motivation myself which I think factors into how people in general perceive their entertainment. To make an analogy as a sports fan, if you’re not into the teams or the sport, and the significance of a game is lost on you, then the entire event has no weight and doesn’t appear as good as it would if you passionately cared about the outcome. And think Phase 4 to a significant extent has been the victim of that perception. But I think it’s been quite good. We’ve had a number of entries that I’d consider top tier including F&TWS, WandaVision, Loki, Shang Chi, and I’ve been discovering Widow all over again. Hawkeye definitely had its place, you mentioned MOM, and although I’ve often said I’m not as excited by the cameos as many clearly are, No Way Home is as good of that story as they could have ever told IMO. I feel like Ms Marvel and Thor did their job as will She Hulk at the very least, and Panther is almost certain to be top tier. I think looking back, especially with a new end in sight, Phase 4 had been quite a solid run.
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Post by Merv on Aug 3, 2022 19:54:46 GMT 1
I have way more phase 1 and 2 movies in my bottom third (since thirds are a popular way to break down the mcu) as opposed to phase 4. I've said it before tho but I took a break post Endgame and I think that breather allowed me to grow a taste for these films again. Avoiding burnout is a real thing, at least with me.
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Post by LokisMom on Aug 3, 2022 20:25:14 GMT 1
Coming from outside the comic book world, I don’t think I owe the MCU anything other than expecting to see a good movie. And phase 4 were just not that good. Dr Strange was the best of the lot so far. We’ll see if they can knock it out of park with The Black Panther. But I’m not giving up on the MCU. No, sir. They just need to call down Stan Lee’s spirit for guidance. I’m going to take a moment to pump up Phase 4 a little, because I do sense a little malaise about it in general. I’ve felt a twinge of loss of motivation myself which I think factors into how people in general perceive their entertainment. To make an analogy as a sports fan, if you’re not into the teams or the sport, and the significance of a game is lost on you, then the entire event has no weight and doesn’t appear as good as it would if you passionately cared about the outcome. And think Phase 4 to a significant extent has been the victim of that perception. But I think it’s been quite good. We’ve had a number of entries that I’d consider top tier including F&TWS, WandaVision, Loki, Shang Chi, and I’ve been discovering Widow all over again. Hawkeye definitely had its place, you mentioned MOM, and although I’ve often said I’m not as excited by the cameos as many clearly are, No Way Home is as good of that story as they could have ever told IMO. I feel like Ms Marvel and Thor did their job as will She Hulk at the very least, and Panther is almost certain to be top tier. I think looking back, especially with a new end in sight, Phase 4 had been quite a solid run. I agree the TV shows are doing good, but they are a different medium. I think the greater MCU is having some soul searching on how to incorporate the movies and shows into an ultimately cohesive saga with a final set of movies to wrap up a bundle of phases. Maybe they won’t take as long with the next saga since they can run the TV shows to fill in the gaps. Even so, volume in phase 4 has gotten scary and then when the fans demand this and that and get fussy if things don’t turn out per canon and whatever, they’re going to lose it. Trust in Stan Lee.
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