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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 6:20:18 GMT 1
Well, apparently Zaslav watched Batgirl himself and didnt like it or that it didnt suit the direction that he's planning for DC So, one dude doesn't like a female-led superhero movie and automatically thinks that his opinion must be what everyone else would think? Yeah, that doesn't exactly make me like the guy or have any hope in his future plans for DC. He isnt just any guy and it wasnt just his opinion. He would have advisors too
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 5, 2022 12:15:34 GMT 1
So, one dude doesn't like a female-led superhero movie and automatically thinks that his opinion must be what everyone else would think? Yeah, that doesn't exactly make me like the guy or have any hope in his future plans for DC. He isnt just any guy and it wasnt just his opinion. He would have advisors too Well, he's the new guy and his view seems to be ditch the female-led superhero movies that were planned, but keep the male-led superhero movies. The least he could've done was let the public decide what they thought of these films instead of deciding *for* us. I HATE having someone tell me what I will or won't like.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 5, 2022 17:57:53 GMT 1
He isnt just any guy and it wasnt just his opinion. He would have advisors too Well, he's the new guy and his view seems to be ditch the female-led superhero movies that were planned, but keep the male-led superhero movies. The least he could've done was let the public decide what they thought of these films instead of deciding *for* us. I HATE having someone tell me what I will or won't like. He's only cancelled 1 female led superhero movie and the reasons for that had nothing to do with gender. Let's not throw the sexism card at the drop of a hat. Of course he isn't going to cancel the sequel to a billion dollar Aquaman movie that is about to hit theaters or a movie with the biggest star in the world playing Black Adam that comes out this year. Also, it is his job to decide what the audience will respond to. They are just now barely scratching the surface with these huge plans for the future but change doesn't happen over night, they can't just cancel all their movies for the next 2 years. He's only now putting his team in place to start the planning process. Tough decisions have to be made.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 5, 2022 22:08:23 GMT 1
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 5, 2022 23:11:33 GMT 1
Well, he's the new guy and his view seems to be ditch the female-led superhero movies that were planned, but keep the male-led superhero movies. The least he could've done was let the public decide what they thought of these films instead of deciding *for* us. I HATE having someone tell me what I will or won't like. He's only cancelled 1 female led superhero movie and the reasons for that had nothing to do with gender. Let's not throw the sexism card at the drop of a hat. Is there any evidence it's got nothing to do with gender? Because so far it looks like only the female-led movies from DC are the ones they're not moving forward (there was also a report of a planned Supergirl movie being unlikely to move forward). It's not 'throwing the sexism card' when the evidence is right there. Once a female-led movie from DC under the new regime is actually released in theatres - then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. And there's always those who defend those accused of sexism 'at the drop of a hat' too. It happens on both sides.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2022 0:40:16 GMT 1
He's only cancelled 1 female led superhero movie and the reasons for that had nothing to do with gender. Let's not throw the sexism card at the drop of a hat. Is there any evidence it's got nothing to do with gender? Because so far it looks like only the female-led movies from DC are the ones they're not moving forward (there was also a report of a planned Supergirl movie being unlikely to move forward). It's not 'throwing the sexism card' when the evidence is right there. Once a female-led movie from DC under the new regime is actually released in theatres - then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. And there's always those who defend those accused of sexism 'at the drop of a hat' too. It happens on both sides. Isn't the batgirl film being cancelled because it’s being reported as unsalvageably bad?
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 6, 2022 0:58:35 GMT 1
Is there any evidence it's got nothing to do with gender? Because so far it looks like only the female-led movies from DC are the ones they're not moving forward (there was also a report of a planned Supergirl movie being unlikely to move forward). It's not 'throwing the sexism card' when the evidence is right there. Once a female-led movie from DC under the new regime is actually released in theatres - then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. And there's always those who defend those accused of sexism 'at the drop of a hat' too. It happens on both sides. Isn't the batgirl film being cancelled because it’s being reported as unsalvageably bad? The new regime decided it was, rather than let audiences decide for themselves (and being 'unsalvageably bad' hasn't stopped other such movies from being released in the past).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 1:32:00 GMT 1
So spoiled in fact that all there is to do really… is sit around… and nit pick. Yep. This is also why I laugh whenever I hear someone say "Man, the MCU is mid as fuck." Mid compared to what? It's still kicking the ass of all its competition, even during a rocky fourth phase that's finding its footing. What is with this word “mid”? It’s like how Gen Z types all of a sudden randomly put the words “low key” into every sentence. “Yo, bruh. This pizza is low key mid AF”. Stupid kids.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2022 1:38:21 GMT 1
Isn't the batgirl film being cancelled because it’s being reported as unsalvageably bad? The new regime decided it was, rather than let audiences decide for themselves (and being 'unsalvageably bad' hasn't stopped other such movies from being released in the past). Id actually agree about them releasing others and would add that I would have recommended them cancelling several of those as well. My understanding is they’ve already had test audiences decide that this one was awful. If their decision was that it would cost too much to fix and cause more harm to the brand by releasing it then I don’t think they’re under obligation to suffer those consequences. Point being I believe this is a genuine quality issue and about the brands overall reputation going forward. They’ve already had so many, including spending a ton of extra money to fix 84 in order to get that female led movie out. And they’re wasting an appearance of Michael Keaton back as well. I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 6, 2022 2:07:06 GMT 1
The new regime decided it was, rather than let audiences decide for themselves (and being 'unsalvageably bad' hasn't stopped other such movies from being released in the past). I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity. I wasn't aware they had any.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 6, 2022 2:31:36 GMT 1
The new regime decided it was, rather than let audiences decide for themselves (and being 'unsalvageably bad' hasn't stopped other such movies from being released in the past). Id actually agree about them releasing others and would add that I would have recommended them cancelling several of those as well. My understanding is they’ve already had test audiences decide that this one was awful. If their decision was that it would cost too much to fix and cause more harm to the brand by releasing it then I don’t think they’re under obligation to suffer those consequences. Point being I believe this is a genuine quality issue and about the brands overall reputation going forward. They’ve already had so many, including spending a ton of extra money to fix 84 in order to get that female led movie out. And they’re wasting an appearance of Michael Keaton back as well. I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity. "It's about quality over quantity." That's a quote from Zaslov on the earnings call. The Batgirl film belongs to Discovery - not the fans. They can do whatever they want with it. The decision came down to dollars and cents. Zaslov thought Batgirl was more valuable as a write-off than as a theatrical release. The film testing wasn't horrible; it was average. Zaslov isn't interested in average DC content.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 2:34:52 GMT 1
Yep. This is also why I laugh whenever I hear someone say "Man, the MCU is mid as fuck." Mid compared to what? It's still kicking the ass of all its competition, even during a rocky fourth phase that's finding its footing. What is with this word “mid”? It’s like how Gen Z types all of a sudden randomly put the words “low key” into every sentence. “Yo, bruh. This pizza is low key mid AF”. Stupid kids. Yeah, I know. I get the meaning if "mid" upon sight. "Mid-grade" or whatever, but it's still annoying. I'd rather people use proper English, too.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 2:36:03 GMT 1
Id actually agree about them releasing others and would add that I would have recommended them cancelling several of those as well. My understanding is they’ve already had test audiences decide that this one was awful. If their decision was that it would cost too much to fix and cause more harm to the brand by releasing it then I don’t think they’re under obligation to suffer those consequences. Point being I believe this is a genuine quality issue and about the brands overall reputation going forward. They’ve already had so many, including spending a ton of extra money to fix 84 in order to get that female led movie out. And they’re wasting an appearance of Michael Keaton back as well. I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity. "It's about quality over quantity." That's a quote from Zaslov on the earnings call. The Batgirl film belongs to Discovery - not the fans. They can do whatever they want with it. The decision came down to dollars and cents. Zaslov thought Batgirl was more valuable as a write-off than as a theatrical release. The film testing wasn't horrible; it was average. Zaslov isn't interested in average DC content. Well, I guess we're going to see what his definition of top grade DC content is in the coming months.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 3:29:39 GMT 1
What is with this word “mid”? It’s like how Gen Z types all of a sudden randomly put the words “low key” into every sentence. “Yo, bruh. This pizza is low key mid AF”. Stupid kids. Yeah, I know. I get the meaning if "mid" upon sight. "Mid-grade" or whatever, but it's still annoying. I'd rather people use proper English, too. Part of getting older is that you start to see just how dumb young people really are. I don’t mind slang, necessarily. I just especially hate seeing a million posters on Reddit or you tube parroting the same stuff over and over. That “low key” one is particularly obnoxious. What does it even mean?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 3:32:25 GMT 1
I was considering WB’s future and its definitely going to be a difficult one to navigate. They can’t cancel WW3 or Aquaman 2, so they’re kind of committed to the DCEU for a while. I hope they are able to continue to create solid reboots like The Batman. But how can you plan a new shared universe when you can’t reboot WW or Aquaman or even Flash for years? It’s a conundrum to be sure.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 3:35:37 GMT 1
I was considering WB’s future and its definitely going to be a difficult one to navigate. They can’t cancel WW3 or Aquaman 2, so they’re kind of committed to the DCEU for a while. I hope they are able to continue to create solid reboots like The Batman. But how can you plan a new shared universe when you can’t reboot WW or Aquaman or even Flash for years? It’s a conundrum to be sure. And apparently they're bringing back The Batffleck and Cavill. Yeah, THAT won't unmuddy the issue.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 3:36:13 GMT 1
Yeah, I know. I get the meaning if "mid" upon sight. "Mid-grade" or whatever, but it's still annoying. I'd rather people use proper English, too. Part of getting older is that you start to see just how dumb young people really are. I don’t mind slang, necessarily. I just especially hate seeing a million posters on Reddit or you tube parroting the same stuff over and over. That “low key” one is particularly obnoxious. What does it even mean?! Low key, I have no idea, man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 3:36:33 GMT 1
As for Batgirl, don’t forget that it was continuing the plan to do a half measure reboot… Flash was going to clear half of the board, replacing Superman with Supergirl and Afleck with Keaton. That was a bizarre ass plan, so I can totally see why the new leaders wanted to scrap it before it was too late.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 3:39:57 GMT 1
I was considering WB’s future and its definitely going to be a difficult one to navigate. They can’t cancel WW3 or Aquaman 2, so they’re kind of committed to the DCEU for a while. I hope they are able to continue to create solid reboots like The Batman. But how can you plan a new shared universe when you can’t reboot WW or Aquaman or even Flash for years? It’s a conundrum to be sure. And apparently they're bringing back The Batffleck and Cavill. Yeah, THAT won't unmuddy the issue. Cavil? Really? Which movie?
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 3:43:31 GMT 1
And apparently they're bringing back The Batffleck and Cavill. Yeah, THAT won't unmuddy the issue. Cavil? Really? Which movie? Dwayne Johnson is trying to bring him back in to be Black Adam 2, I guess. I don't really know. Cavill's turning 40 next year, and even Christopher Reeve was done with the role in his 30s. This is getting ridiculous how people just will not let go of Cavill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 3:45:57 GMT 1
Cavil? Really? Which movie? Dwayne Johnson is trying to bring him back in to be Black Adam 2, I guess. I don't really know. Cavill's turning 40 next year, and even Christopher Reeve was done with the role in his 30s. This is getting ridiculous how people just will not let go of Cavill. I feel bad for Keaton. I’m low key hoping that Flash gets canceled so that they can bring my boy back for a Batman Beyond movie set in the Burtonverse.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 6, 2022 4:00:37 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity. I wasn't aware they had any. They haven’t. Maybe they won’t. But it’s about selling a certain level of quality which they have had a ton of trouble doing. This new group wants to get out from under the “half our films are disasters” stigma they’ve built. But I’ll fully agree they have made a ton of mistakes before, some in a perfect would I would have rather seen canceled.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 4:01:14 GMT 1
Dwayne Johnson is trying to bring him back in to be Black Adam 2, I guess. I don't really know. Cavill's turning 40 next year, and even Christopher Reeve was done with the role in his 30s. This is getting ridiculous how people just will not let go of Cavill. I feel bad for Keaton. I’m low key hoping that Flash gets canceled so that they can bring my boy back for a Batman Beyond movie set in the Burtonverse. Imagine being invited to play your iconic role again after 30 years just to have the films you reprised in canceled.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 6, 2022 4:33:10 GMT 1
I wasn't aware they had any. They haven’t. Maybe they won’t. But it’s about selling a certain level of quality which they have had a ton of trouble doing. This new group wants to get out from under the “half our films are disasters” stigma they’ve built. But I’ll fully agree they have made a ton of mistakes before, some in a perfect would I would have rather seen canceled. I feel sorry for *all* the non-Ezra Miller people involved in The Flash movie, but especially Sasha Calle who was to make her debut as Supergirl. I feel bad for Keaton. I’m low key hoping that Flash gets canceled so that they can bring my boy back for a Batman Beyond movie set in the Burtonverse. Imagine being invited to play your iconic role again after 30 years just to have the films you reprised in canceled. And imagine being selected to play the first big-screen version of Supergirl since the 80's, intended as your 'big break'...only for some douchebag to screw it all up for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 4:34:11 GMT 1
I feel bad for Keaton. I’m low key hoping that Flash gets canceled so that they can bring my boy back for a Batman Beyond movie set in the Burtonverse. Imagine being invited to play your iconic role again after 30 years just to have the films you reprised in canceled. I know. But I hope he is still up to return. I was never happy about the way they were bringing him back so if they can start fresh with a solo movie I can only hope he forgives the debacle and signs on again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 4:58:01 GMT 1
The new regime decided it was, rather than let audiences decide for themselves (and being 'unsalvageably bad' hasn't stopped other such movies from being released in the past). Id actually agree about them releasing others and would add that I would have recommended them cancelling several of those as well. My understanding is they’ve already had test audiences decide that this one was awful. If their decision was that it would cost too much to fix and cause more harm to the brand by releasing it then I don’t think they’re under obligation to suffer those consequences. Point being I believe this is a genuine quality issue and about the brands overall reputation going forward. They’ve already had so many, including spending a ton of extra money to fix 84 in order to get that female led movie out. And they’re wasting an appearance of Michael Keaton back as well. I don’t think it’s about sex. I think it’s about integrity. I guess there was no Harley Quinn movie... Although that was a major disappointment and a flop. Black Mask absolutely wasted... At least they redeemed her character in Gunn's Suicide Squad
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 4:59:53 GMT 1
He isnt just any guy and it wasnt just his opinion. He would have advisors too Well, he's the new guy and his view seems to be ditch the female-led superhero movies that were planned, but keep the male-led superhero movies. The least he could've done was let the public decide what they thought of these films instead of deciding *for* us. I HATE having someone tell me what I will or won't like.Kind of an odd statement to make. The studio always makes the decisions for us and following that the BO returns
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 6, 2022 5:13:56 GMT 1
Imagine being invited to play your iconic role again after 30 years just to have the films you reprised in canceled. I know. But I hope he is still up to return. I was never happy about the way they were bringing him back so if they can start fresh with a solo movie I can only hope he forgives the debacle and signs on again. Considering Keaton's up for being Tombs in the Sonyverse Spider-Man Villain Verse... thingy, I think he'll come back for anything if they dangle enough money at him.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 6, 2022 6:03:50 GMT 1
Well, he's the new guy and his view seems to be ditch the female-led superhero movies that were planned, but keep the male-led superhero movies. The least he could've done was let the public decide what they thought of these films instead of deciding *for* us. I HATE having someone tell me what I will or won't like.Kind of an odd statement to make. The studio always makes the decisions for us and following that the BO returns Not that odd. Used to be that movies would get released and the studios would wait to see the reception before deciding whether to make more or not. Now, it seems they've already decided the public aren't going to like something without even giving us a chance to *see* it first. I mean, there wasn't even a trailer released for the Batgirl movie. If they'd at least given us that and the reception was poor, that would've been something. But nope. They just decided to waste a ton of money and effort put into something going off the assumption that audiences wouldn't like it.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 6, 2022 13:35:30 GMT 1
I feel bad for the cast and crew, especially Leslie Grace. The cancelation was a slap in their face.
Here's hoping she'll find another project that will make it up for her.
Maybe Marvel could give her something?
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