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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 11:00:40 GMT 1
Here's What to Expect From the Firefly Reboot From Disney+link
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 14, 2022 15:38:50 GMT 1
Thanks for posting that. Unfortunately, that article doesn't really say anything but it at least confirms that the project is still in the works.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Apr 14, 2022 16:07:58 GMT 1
Still need to watch that. I'll be that person and say I didn't like the movie Serenity that much.
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Post by Merv on Apr 14, 2022 22:31:26 GMT 1
Still need to watch that. I'll be that person and say I didn't like the movie Serenity that much. The movie pays off a little bit of the tv show...and since the show is only one season I would definitely say give it a chance. The only word of warning is the pilot has a mildly different vibe to it than the rest of the season, in particular with Malcolm Reynolds. He is a bit more serious in the pilot than he is the rest of the show and that was a decision they made after they got picked up that they wanted Mal to be a little goofier and less dramatic. It's one of the best single seasons of tv tho...for me at least. Great characters, fun moments, even a touch of the drama and I think the time has kind of passed now but I would've loved to see more seasons back before Serenity killed off a few characters.
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Post by Merv on Apr 14, 2022 22:33:01 GMT 1
Best character ever made...
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Apr 14, 2022 22:45:25 GMT 1
Best character ever made... FINN?
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Post by Merv on Apr 14, 2022 22:49:27 GMT 1
Best character ever made... FINN? Oh no...he's much better than that. The lion Jubal Early! Well he's not a lion but he does have a mighty roar. Footnote...I read The Killer Angels which is a fictionalization of the Battle of Gettysburg told from both sides. It's apparently where Whedon got his inspiration for Firefly, or at least part of it. Jubal Early was a Confederate general who fought in the battle. There aren't many resemblances other than name but I thought it was a cool factoid.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 14, 2022 22:54:46 GMT 1
A large part of what made the original series (and movie) so popular was the characters and the actors/actresses who portrayed them. Unless they're going to be the main focus in a new show...then no thanks. And I don't think anyone's clamoring for a "family-friendly" Firefly. Best character ever made... I'm afraid I can't agree. In fact, I feel the opposite. To me, Jubal Early was just another one of those characters writers like to write for because they just yammer on with philosophical BS that was meant to sound 'profound' or whatever but instead just came across as him (and the writer - in this case Whedon) disappearing up his own arse. **slight spoilers below** Also, there's the fact that he hinted at doing bad stuff to his Golden Retriever (seriously, what was up with Whedon and his hate for Golden Retrievers? This wasn't the first time he included a character suggesting something nasty towards that particular breed. And let's not forget the apparent need to mention Angelus 'nailing puppies to walls' in the Buffy-verse constantly. Methinks Whedon is not a dog/animal person) and the particularly unnecessary inclusion of Early casually threatening Kaylee with rape (which was another thing Whedon seemed to be fond of having mentioned in his shows/movie. I'll never forget the one kid in Serenity who seems to scarily enjoy mentioning how the Reavers rape people for hours and hours). Looking back, I guess the hints of Whedon's true personality). Anyway, the only positive thing I can say about Early is I was glad he was sentenced to a life floating in space alone.
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Post by Merv on Apr 14, 2022 23:04:25 GMT 1
I'm afraid I can't agree. In fact, I feel the opposite. To me, Jubal Early was just another one of those characters writers like to write for because they just yammer on with philosophical BS that was meant to sound 'profound' or whatever but instead just came across as him (and the writer - in this case Whedon) disappearing up his own arse.**slight spoilers below** Also, there's the fact that he hinted at doing bad stuff to his Golden Retriever (seriously, what was up with Whedon and his hate for Golden Retrievers? This wasn't the first time he included a character suggesting something nasty towards that particular breed. And let's not forget the apparent need to mention Angelus 'nailing puppies to walls' in the Buffy-verse constantly. Methinks Whedon is not a dog/animal person) and the particularly unnecessary inclusion of Early casually threatening Kaylee with rape (which was another thing Whedon seemed to be fond of having mentioned in his shows/movie. I'll never forget the one kid in Serenity who seems to scarily enjoy mentioning how the Reavers rape people for hours and hours). Looking back, I guess the hints of Whedon's true personality). Anyway, the only positive thing I can say about Early is I was glad he was sentenced to a life floating in space alone. I guess the thing is...Early is a villain. He's not meant to be beloved or anything. We are meant to find his ranting and philosophy off kilter and fairly insane. I always thought that was obvious. Peronsally I enjoy him because he's quirky and insane. I tend to enjoy those types of characters more. I don't see Whedon suggesting his villain harms animals setting insight into the person Whedon really is. I find that a dangerous precedent to set and based on nothing. Does that mean we have to take a deeper look at Stephen King or Clive Barker or John Carpenter or anyone else who has ever given us a great villain? No I don't think so. Whatever Whedons crimes may be I don't see him attributing violence to his villains as any kind of red flag on him personally.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 15, 2022 0:15:24 GMT 1
I'm afraid I can't agree. In fact, I feel the opposite. To me, Jubal Early was just another one of those characters writers like to write for because they just yammer on with philosophical BS that was meant to sound 'profound' or whatever but instead just came across as him (and the writer - in this case Whedon) disappearing up his own arse.**slight spoilers below** Also, there's the fact that he hinted at doing bad stuff to his Golden Retriever (seriously, what was up with Whedon and his hate for Golden Retrievers? This wasn't the first time he included a character suggesting something nasty towards that particular breed. And let's not forget the apparent need to mention Angelus 'nailing puppies to walls' in the Buffy-verse constantly. Methinks Whedon is not a dog/animal person) and the particularly unnecessary inclusion of Early casually threatening Kaylee with rape (which was another thing Whedon seemed to be fond of having mentioned in his shows/movie. I'll never forget the one kid in Serenity who seems to scarily enjoy mentioning how the Reavers rape people for hours and hours). Looking back, I guess the hints of Whedon's true personality). Anyway, the only positive thing I can say about Early is I was glad he was sentenced to a life floating in space alone. I guess the thing is...Early is a villain. He's not meant to be beloved or anything. We are meant to find his ranting and philosophy off kilter and fairly insane. I always thought that was obvious. Peronsally I enjoy him because he's quirky and insane. I tend to enjoy those types of characters more. I don't see Whedon suggesting his villain harms animals setting insight into the person Whedon really is. I find that a dangerous precedent to set and based on nothing. Does that mean we have to take a deeper look at Stephen King or Clive Barker or John Carpenter or anyone else who has ever given us a great villain? No I don't think so. Whatever Whedons crimes may be I don't see him attributing violence to his villains as any kind of red flag on him personally. Sorry, I should probably clarify what I was trying to say. Sometimes what I want to get across doesn't always come out the right way. I wasn't implying that Whedon abuses animals or is pro-rape or anything nuts like that. I more meant that it seems to me, given how often he's used the mentioned of violence towards animals and rape in his projects, that he relies too heavily on these things to 'shock' the audience. Like, he thinks the only way to get across how evil a villain is is to have them talk about torturing animals or raping someone. Of course there are villains who do these things, and there are times when these crimes warrant mention, but going to that well on multiple occasions just seems a tad 'lazy' to me. Like...it wasn't enough for Early to threaten to kill Kaylee. He had to put in that threat of rape. Was it really necessary? There are writers who can write good villains without relying on rape or animal murder/torture to make them good villains. Anyway, I'm not someone who is all "DIE, JOSS, DIE!" because of what we've learned about him through various articles. I still enjoy his shows/movies I've watched and my opinions of them aren't going to change based on what sort of person he is. However, these^ things I mentioned were things I noticed way before any of this stuff about him ever came to light. I took note of them when originally watching the shows/movies and they've always stood out to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 2:38:39 GMT 1
Still need to watch that. I'll be that person and say I didn't like the movie Serenity that much. The movie pays off a little bit of the tv show...and since the show is only one season I would definitely say give it a chance. The only word of warning is the pilot has a mildly different vibe to it than the rest of the season, in particular with Malcolm Reynolds. He is a bit more serious in the pilot than he is the rest of the show and that was a decision they made after they got picked up that they wanted Mal to be a little goofier and less dramatic. It's one of the best single seasons of tv tho...for me at least. Great characters, fun moments, even a touch of the drama and I think the time has kind of passed now but I would've loved to see more seasons back before Serenity killed off a few characters. That episode where we first meet Christina Hendrick's character killed me. So funny
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 2:43:45 GMT 1
A large part of what made the original series (and movie) so popular was the characters and the actors/actresses who portrayed them. Unless they're going to be the main focus in a new show...then no thanks. And I don't think anyone's clamoring for a "family-friendly" Firefly. Yeah Im very skeptical too. Could be good but it will still seem pale, comparing to whatever they come up with and Firefly
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 15, 2022 2:53:09 GMT 1
That episode where we first meet Christina Hendrick's character killed me. So funny Yeah Im very skeptical too. Could be good but it will still seem pale, comparing to whatever they come up with and Firefly The original cast of characters or GTFO!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 2:58:43 GMT 1
Also theres this fun bit of info. Not sure if official or not. May have mentioned it before too. A friend of mine believes that Whedon already tried to get his Firefly idea off the ground in Alien 4/Resurrection re the characters and the aliens-who are also savage monsters who rape and kill you (Reavers)
Also Weyland exists in Firefly
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Post by Merv on Apr 15, 2022 4:16:12 GMT 1
Also theres this fun bit of info. Not sure if official or not. May have mentioned it before too. A friend of mine believes that Whedon already tried to get his Firefly idea off the ground in Alien 4/Resurrection re the characters and the aliens-who are also savage monsters who rape and kill you (Reavers) Also Weyland exists in Firefly The crew from Alien Resurrection has a lot of charm to it. I never thought of it as a trial run to Firefly so much as Whedon just being good at writing a quirky ensemble of characters. One of the biggest redeeming qualities about that Alien film is the crew.
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Post by Merv on Apr 15, 2022 4:21:22 GMT 1
The original show is where I first fell in love with Morena Baccarin...
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 15, 2022 7:13:42 GMT 1
The original show is where I first fell in love with Morena Baccarin...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 3:28:15 GMT 1
Also theres this fun bit of info. Not sure if official or not. May have mentioned it before too. A friend of mine believes that Whedon already tried to get his Firefly idea off the ground in Alien 4/Resurrection re the characters and the aliens-who are also savage monsters who rape and kill you (Reavers) Also Weyland exists in Firefly The crew from Alien Resurrection has a lot of charm to it. I never thought of it as a trial run to Firefly so much as Whedon just being good at writing a quirky ensemble of characters. One of the biggest redeeming qualities about that Alien film is the crew. Yeah I enjoyed it too. I think the general consensus is one of hate though lol
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Post by Merv on Apr 16, 2022 3:41:27 GMT 1
The crew from Alien Resurrection has a lot of charm to it. I never thought of it as a trial run to Firefly so much as Whedon just being good at writing a quirky ensemble of characters. One of the biggest redeeming qualities about that Alien film is the crew. Yeah I enjoyed it too. I think the general consensus is one of hate though lol Historically I'd rather watch Resurrection than any of the newer ones or even Alien 3. Although its been a while since Ive revisited them all. The first two aliens are as close to untouchable as films get for me.
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