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Post by LokisMom on Apr 1, 2022 20:53:03 GMT 1
He sites, “there’s policy disputes, and that’s fine, but when you're trying to impose a woke ideology on our state, we view that as a significant threat."
I’m not sure how Disney will handle this threat to their Florida business or how it might affect the Marvel Disney association, but the overall affect is meant to chill down what politicians like DeSantis sees as Woke. Of course, there’s no definition of what the they think “woke” is. I have no idea when I’m being woke or not, but I am not a significant threat to anyone. Nor are my personal political or spiritual beliefs.
I’m not here to pick a political fight, but when a government can tell any company or individual their content must match the agenda of a specific political party with the power to literally shut you down if you don’t comply…we know what that’s called.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 1, 2022 21:00:49 GMT 1
He sites, “there’s policy disputes, and that’s fine, but when you're trying to impose a woke ideology on our state, we view that as a significant threat."I’m not sure how Disney will handle this threat to their Florida business or how it might affect the Marvel Disney association, but the overall affect is meant to chill down what politicians like DeSantis sees as Woke. Of course, there’s no definition of what the they think “woke” is. I have no idea when I’m being woke or not, but I am not a significant threat to anyone. Nor are my personal political or spiritual beliefs. I’m not here to pick a political fight, but when a government can tell any company or individual their content must match the agenda of a specific political party with the power to literally shut you down if you don’t comply…we know what that’s called. Disney always has the option to leave Florida, and Florida can partner with another mega corp. that matches its values. So simple…
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Post by primemcgee on Apr 1, 2022 21:03:10 GMT 1
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 1, 2022 21:14:59 GMT 1
He sites, “there’s policy disputes, and that’s fine, but when you're trying to impose a woke ideology on our state, we view that as a significant threat."I’m not sure how Disney will handle this threat to their Florida business or how it might affect the Marvel Disney association, but the overall affect is meant to chill down what politicians like DeSantis sees as Woke. Of course, there’s no definition of what the they think “woke” is. I have no idea when I’m being woke or not, but I am not a significant threat to anyone. Nor are my personal political or spiritual beliefs. I’m not here to pick a political fight, but when a government can tell any company or individual their content must match the agenda of a specific political party with the power to literally shut you down if you don’t comply…we know what that’s called. Disney always has the option to leave Florida, and Florida can partner with another mega corp. that matches its values. So simple… It’s not simple and you should know that. I wish it were. I’m probably more left than most here and you and I have spoken on the podcasts, am I so woke to the point I need a state governor to protect you from me? Should my opinions and views not only be silenced, but demonized?
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 1, 2022 21:18:34 GMT 1
What is wrong with being gay?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 1, 2022 21:26:44 GMT 1
I was just joking, but honestly the culture wars are getting so bad - a separate-but-equal doctrine might be the only solution left.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 1, 2022 21:37:47 GMT 1
They are not threatening to shut down Disney. They are threatening to repeal a law that gives Disney a special autonomous status in the state. This law actually would allow Disney to build a nuclear power plant or anything else at Disney World without state approval if they wanted to. No other company has that kind of protection. Disney is threatening to pour resources into a campaign to repeal a law that the elected representatives of the Florida people have passed. Disney is free to do that if they choose to but they should not expect to be given special legal protections anymore if they are going to become a political activist organization that works for one side of the political process.
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Post by primemcgee on Apr 1, 2022 21:56:29 GMT 1
What is wrong with being gay? Hey, Rock Hudson is great in McMillan & Wife and the best high school teacher I had was gay, and he died of AIDS too.
Being gay is not the issue, it is pushing sexualization of children without informing the majority public. Parents should be able to choose what their children are exposed to. Or not.
I saw an interview with a 3rd grade teacher complaining about the Florida bill and he said, what happens if the class asks me about my partner?
Why would they ask, and secondly, why does he feel he needs to discuss sexual relations with his class? He feels compelled to discuss it.
If Disney made content for gays and others then it wouldn't be so bad but they insist on inserting it into everything and having one size fits all. That sounds kind of perverted but it's not meant to be.
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 1, 2022 22:25:19 GMT 1
I was just joking, but honestly the culture wars are getting so bad - a separate-but-equal doctrine might be the only solution left. It’s one thing for folks to cry over Disney being more open to cultural change than the average American. It’s another to put laws on the books that forbids them from being so. There is a huge religious agenda on the back burner here. I post this in Sakaar, because if this trend continues in our country, then they can tell Disney what content is allowable in their movies. The current government of Florida cares little about the working conditions the Disney character players are under, but cares a lot about what gender that character is. I guess the counter argument is when states go anti-civil rights and free speech then Disney and other movie companies threaten to take the business elsewhere, but that generally is all hot air. They have too much sunk into the production facility in Georgia to actually do that. Likewise, Disney World is going nowhere.
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 1, 2022 22:37:30 GMT 1
They are not threatening to shut down Disney. They are threatening to repeal a law that gives Disney a special autonomous status in the state. This law actually would allow Disney to build a nuclear power plant or anything else at Disney World without state approval if they wanted to. No other company has that kind of protection. Disney is threatening to pour resources into a campaign to repeal a law that the elected representatives of the Florida people have passed. Disney is free to do that if they choose to but they should not expect to be given special legal protections anymore if they are going to become a political activist organization that works for one side of the political process. But a nuclear power plant is not going to be built in Disney World. That needs approval from the Department of Energy and they ain’t going to get it. If this was about taking away abatement rights or building on non perked land, that’s another thing. But DeSantis has said “woke” is a threat and this is why he’s acting now. So it’s not about building a power plant. Citizens’ United established corporations as individuals with the same free speech rights. The special economic status aside, Disney has the the same civil right to express itself as an individual that voters cannot overrule. Should the State of Florida have to right to curtail your free speech rights? Right now, it’s anything gay they want silenced, but next time, it could something else the religious right finds offensive.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 1, 2022 23:10:11 GMT 1
They are not threatening to shut down Disney. They are threatening to repeal a law that gives Disney a special autonomous status in the state. This law actually would allow Disney to build a nuclear power plant or anything else at Disney World without state approval if they wanted to. No other company has that kind of protection. Disney is threatening to pour resources into a campaign to repeal a law that the elected representatives of the Florida people have passed. Disney is free to do that if they choose to but they should not expect to be given special legal protections anymore if they are going to become a political activist organization that works for one side of the political process. But a nuclear power plant is not going to be built in Disney World. That needs approval from the Department of Energy and they ain’t going to get it. If this was about taking away abatement rights or building on non perked land, that’s another thing. But DeSantis has said “woke” is a threat and this is why he’s acting now. So it’s not about building a power plant. Citizens’ United established corporations as individuals with the same free speech rights. The special economic status aside, Disney has the the same civil right to express itself as an individual that voters cannot overrule. Should the State of Florida have to right to curtail your free speech rights? Right now, it’s anything gay they want silenced, but next time, it could something else the religious right finds offensive. No. There is a law in Florida that gives Disney a level of autonomy that no other corporation has. It does not have to go through any of the normal red tape that other companies have to in order to build or do virtually anything. Repealing that law would not curtail Disney's free speech in any way. They would have the same rights as every other company that does not have the protections of that law. Disney is the one that is demonizing the majority of Floridians that support the law in question. Disney is free to demonize anyone they want but the people of Florida are also free to repeal special legal protections that were created to incentivize Disney to do business there. If Disney is going to use it's vast resources to take sides in political debates they should expect the other side to do they same.
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 2, 2022 0:09:02 GMT 1
But a nuclear power plant is not going to be built in Disney World. That needs approval from the Department of Energy and they ain’t going to get it. If this was about taking away abatement rights or building on non perked land, that’s another thing. But DeSantis has said “woke” is a threat and this is why he’s acting now. So it’s not about building a power plant. Citizens’ United established corporations as individuals with the same free speech rights. The special economic status aside, Disney has the the same civil right to express itself as an individual that voters cannot overrule. Should the State of Florida have to right to curtail your free speech rights? Right now, it’s anything gay they want silenced, but next time, it could something else the religious right finds offensive. No. There is a law in Florida that gives Disney a level of autonomy that no other corporation has. It does not have to go through any of the normal red tape that other companies have to in order to build or do virtually anything. Repealing that law would not curtail Disney's free speech in any way. They would have the same rights as every other company that does not have the protections of that law. Disney is the one that is demonizing the majority of Floridians that support the law in question. Disney is free to demonize anyone they want but the people of Florida are also free to repeal special legal protections that were created to incentivize Disney to do business there. If Disney is going to use it's vast resources to take sides in political debates they should expect the other side to do they same. His own words are: but when you're trying to impose a woke ideology on our state, we view that as a significant threat. So this is about that. And only some people in Florida support “don’t say gay” legislation. You’re right the majority Republicans in Florida can pass any bill they wish, but there are millions of Floridians who do not support that type of free-speech curtailment and Disney is one Florida individual, thanks to Citizens United. They now have the right to express its opinion without threat of being singularly punished for it. A person being gay does not mean you then can’t be a straight religious person. No laws have ever been erected that prevents expression of your sexuality, religion, or politics. Your job has never been threatened by the government if you speak out on gay rights, pro or con. Your employer might do so, but that’s is also protected if you can prove they targeted you, but that’s a separate issue. And no law should stand if it violates equal protection under the law. Floridians will need to live with whatever they think woke is since just being woke is not against the law. The only other choice is to make any woke lifestyle choice illegal. That’s how it was not so long ago. Even some Republican lawmaker even said Loving vs Virginia SCOTUS decision to make all black-white marriages legal should have never happen. I don’t get that reactionary mindset, but does indicate some in the GOP are for repealing passed civil rights legislation regarding sexuality. Certainly sodomy laws are coming back as soon as possible. I take exception that “woke” is a considered threat, especially since “woke” can be whatever anyone wants it to mean. Woke for a evangelical Christian like DeSantis is not the same woke for a libertarian like Joe Rogan, that I know. So right there I have no idea if I’m a threat in Florida or not. I need to know just what I’ve done that needs laws to stop my threat to you. And when something is a threat, normally people try to eliminate it. DeSantis should define the term as he understands it. And am I a threat to you? If so, what kind of a threat? These bills are bound to move into other very conservative states. So, I am tired of being called a threat and worse things in my own country. Worse still is for me to be a non-citizen. I’ve done absolutely zero to harm or threaten anyone. Honestly, the whole mindset of being threatened by people who are law abiding citizens has me very worried for my future, Taylor. And it’s not just that. Even being a Biden supporter means I’m pro pedophilia and hate the white race or something equally ludicrous.
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Post by LokisMom on Apr 5, 2022 21:02:11 GMT 1
As such, by stripping Disney of its special municipality status…and nuclear power plant options…per the Citizens United decision, Disney can sue for violation of its civil rights. And they got a lot of high paid lawyers on the payroll and hire more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 2:22:47 GMT 1
Yup, whats with that lady? Why do you need to insert lgbt agenda everywhere? Disney is for kids and family. It's not meant to be political, and cant kids just be kids?
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Post by primemcgee on Apr 13, 2022 2:39:14 GMT 1
No!
Kids are perverts too.
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Post by LokisMom on May 2, 2022 10:53:55 GMT 1
Yup, whats with that lady? Why do you need to insert lgbt agenda everywhere? Disney is for kids and family. It's not meant to be political, and cant kids just be kids? There are gay kids and families. And while it is political, there is a heaping of religion in it as well. However, this is not about the Florida legislation, it is about the state retaliating with legislation because Disney Corp spoke out against the law. Disney did not threaten the state of Florida with any boycotts or claims they will move out of the state. They will survive having their tax status revoked, though area property owners are now on the hook for the 2 billion Disney spends in lieu of the taxpayers paying for their expensive infrastructure, but can they survive more retaliations from the State of Florida? Will the government demand that kids should just be kids, therefore Florida needs to tell Disney what the content of their TV shows and movies should be? If I speak out against the Florida law, do you think it is okay for the state to do something to me out of revenge? And I have not inserted any "agenda" LGBT or otherwise on this board.
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Post by hyundaifromyuggoth on May 3, 2022 14:11:42 GMT 1
Well no matter what laws are brought into effect or what is said about Disney, I will always consider it retarded. So revoke the "special" status if you will, guvmint!
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