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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 3:07:31 GMT 1
You guys have no idea how happy it always makes me to see comments wanting to see the real Rogue. I still remember there was a time when anyone even hinting that the old movies' handling of Rogue left something to be desired would be flamed to a crisp. And that was just on the "Lord of the Rings" boards. She could have not been in the movies and I wouldnt have cared at all Outside of the first one, you could have written her out of all the movies and it wouldn't have made a difference. She and Wolverine barely even interacted in the sequels despite the supposed "odd friendship" they were supposed to have formed.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 9, 2021 4:29:53 GMT 1
Most of the X-Men's powers get old fast, which is one of the reasons I've never been a big fan. Well, what about Hulk, Thor or Iron Man? Do their powers ever get old? Iron Man and Thor have a variety of powers and combat skills. They can go in and duke it out with almost anyone. Most of the X Men are 1 trick ponies with some obscure power. Hulk's endless strength and rage keeps him interesting. Also all 3 of these heroes can take a huge amount of punishment and keep fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 6:49:05 GMT 1
My list would also include all the ones who haven’t been used much. Rogue would be high on the list because she wasn’t really comic accurate in previous movies. Not women, but I’d also like to see more Banshee and Ice Man. And Storm. Don't forget Storm. The old movies did her dirty, too. There's a whole trilogy of movies' worth of material to be told with her that the old movies never touched on. Halle Berry’s Storm was okay. Not bad, not great. They could do a lot better for sure. It’s a moot point though because there is zero chance of them leaving her out. In fact, I bet she will be the leader, not Cyclops.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:00:25 GMT 1
Well, what about Hulk, Thor or Iron Man? Do their powers ever get old? Iron Man and Thor have a variety of powers and combat skills. They can go in and duke it out with almost anyone. Most of the X Men are 1 trick ponies with some obscure power. Hulk's endless strength and rage keeps him interesting. Also all 3 of these heroes can take a huge amount of punishment and keep fighting. Well, in terms of durability, same could be said for Rogue, Logan and Colossus. Although metal man isnt really that interesting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:02:33 GMT 1
Iron Man and Thor have a variety of powers and combat skills. They can go in and duke it out with almost anyone. Most of the X Men are 1 trick ponies with some obscure power. Hulk's endless strength and rage keeps him interesting. Also all 3 of these heroes can take a huge amount of punishment and keep fighting. Well, in terms of durability, same could be said for Rogue, Logan and Colossus. Although metal man isnt really that interesting I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:07:18 GMT 1
Well, in terms of durability, same could be said for Rogue, Logan and Colossus. Although metal man isnt really that interesting I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international. Meh, he was barely in the film/s. Pretty cool in Deadpool though lol. His sister is pretty interesting-her power set
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:15:52 GMT 1
I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international. Meh, he was barely in the film/s. Pretty cool in Deadpool though lol. His sister is pretty interesting-her power set That’s why they should use him as one of the main members this time. I think they can do a better job than Deadpool though. I don’t really like him in there to be honest. Kind of one dimensional
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:20:47 GMT 1
Meh, he was barely in the film/s. Pretty cool in Deadpool though lol. His sister is pretty interesting-her power set That’s why they should use him as one of the main members this time. I think they can do a better job than Deadpool though. I don’t really like him in there to be honest. Kind of one dimensional Why didnt you like him in Deadpool?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 7:22:27 GMT 1
That’s why they should use him as one of the main members this time. I think they can do a better job than Deadpool though. I don’t really like him in there to be honest. Kind of one dimensional Why didnt you like him in Deadpool? He’s okay, I guess for what he’s supposed to be. It’s just not how I imagined him when I read through the classic X comics of the Claremont run. It’ll help if he’s not metal 100% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 8:33:08 GMT 1
And Storm. Don't forget Storm. The old movies did her dirty, too. There's a whole trilogy of movies' worth of material to be told with her that the old movies never touched on. Halle Berry’s Storm was okay. Not bad, not great. They could do a lot better for sure. It’s a moot point though because there is zero chance of them leaving her out. In fact, I bet she will be the leader, not Cyclops. I actually see them being co-leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 8:34:52 GMT 1
Well, in terms of durability, same could be said for Rogue, Logan and Colossus. Although metal man isnt really that interesting I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international. X-Men was international as of their 1970s relaunch with Claremont. It'd be nice to see them make a return to that.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 9, 2021 12:58:39 GMT 1
I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international. X-Men was international as of their 1970s relaunch with Claremont. It'd be nice to see them make a return to that. Except they were international. Storm, nightcrawler, bishop, sunspot, warpath, rogue, blink all featured on the Xmen roster.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 9, 2021 16:39:44 GMT 1
The title of "The Mutants" works if it's set before the formation of the X-Men. In fact I would say that the formation of the X-Men should be treated liked the formation of the Avengers. Also it would make for a nice nod to Stan Lee original idea before the Xmen name was chosen. comicbook.com/marvel/news/stan-lee-x-men-original-name/
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 9, 2021 16:54:03 GMT 1
Iron Man and Thor have a variety of powers and combat skills. They can go in and duke it out with almost anyone. Most of the X Men are 1 trick ponies with some obscure power. Hulk's endless strength and rage keeps him interesting. Also all 3 of these heroes can take a huge amount of punishment and keep fighting. Well, in terms of durability, same could be said for Rogue, Logan and Colossus. Although metal man isnt really that interesting For me Wolverine, Rogue, and Beast are the only really interesting X-Men.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 20:24:01 GMT 1
I hope they make him Russian. I hated that he wasn’t Russian in the originals. I like the idea of the X Men (oops, I mean Mutants) being international. X-Men was international as of their 1970s relaunch with Claremont. It'd be nice to see them make a return to that. Exactly. That’s what I was referring to. Xavier goes around the world to recruit the best. You get a mutant from Africa, Japan, Ireland, Russia, a Canadian and a Native American. Two of them only last like 3 issues, but still.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 9, 2021 21:00:01 GMT 1
I'm tired of the series anyway, I actually wish they would give it a ( longer ) break.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 21:07:48 GMT 1
I'm tired of the series anyway, I actually wish they would give it a ( longer ) break. I know. They’ve had more movies than Batman!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 22:43:23 GMT 1
X-Men was international as of their 1970s relaunch with Claremont. It'd be nice to see them make a return to that. Exactly. That’s what I was referring to. Xavier goes around the world to recruit the best. You get a mutant from Africa, Japan, Ireland, Russia, a Canadian and a Native American. Two of them only last like 3 issues, but still. Yep. And it'd make sense for Xavier to start rescuing them if prejudice against people with powers really starts to grow in the MCU setting, as is implied to start happening at the end of Wandavision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 0:21:41 GMT 1
Exactly. That’s what I was referring to. Xavier goes around the world to recruit the best. You get a mutant from Africa, Japan, Ireland, Russia, a Canadian and a Native American. Two of them only last like 3 issues, but still. Yep. And it'd make sense for Xavier to start rescuing them if prejudice against people with powers really starts to grow in the MCU setting, as is implied to start happening at the end of Wandavision.How do you feel about an XMen versus Avengers movie?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 0:24:25 GMT 1
Yep. And it'd make sense for Xavier to start rescuing them if prejudice against people with powers really starts to grow in the MCU setting, as is implied to start happening at the end of Wandavision.How do you feel about an XMen versus Avengers movie? It depends on how it's built up. I don't wanna see that film in less 8-10 years, because Marvel Studios is going to have enough on its plate just getting their X-Men films going.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 2:37:38 GMT 1
I think it's good that X-men is being released later rather than sooner although it would be awesome if it was the latter scenario. It would just overshadow everything else in the MCU imo. That way the MCU is safer with more potential successful characters to play with. Just look at the Eternals. Dont put all your eggs in one basket as they say
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Post by Merv on Nov 14, 2021 12:50:37 GMT 1
You talking live action or the animated series sequel?
Live action i agree...and think its something they should almost build from the ground up. Treat the XMen like another MCU and piece together characters and plotlines in a cohesive manner that people understand. We don't need to shoehorn in Onslaught just because you want a big cgi battle.
The animated series im curious about. Although its been years since ive revisited the original animated series so im not sure where the story ends off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 21:11:40 GMT 1
You talking live action or the animated series sequel? Live action i agree...and think its something they should almost build from the ground up. Treat the XMen like another MCU and piece together characters and plotlines in a cohesive manner that people understand. We don't need to shoehorn in Onslaught just because you want a big cgi battle. The animated series im curious about. Although its been years since ive revisited the original animated series so im not sure where the story ends off. Live-action. It will definitely be interesting to see what they do with the team. Im not sure they need to be introduced like that. We had the fox movies and now we have a cartoon as a reminder. Although there is a rumor that Rogue might be in Cap Marvel 2
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Post by Merv on Nov 15, 2021 21:24:01 GMT 1
You talking live action or the animated series sequel? Live action i agree...and think its something they should almost build from the ground up. Treat the XMen like another MCU and piece together characters and plotlines in a cohesive manner that people understand. We don't need to shoehorn in Onslaught just because you want a big cgi battle. The animated series im curious about. Although its been years since ive revisited the original animated series so im not sure where the story ends off. Live-action. It will definitely be interesting to see what they do with the team. Im not sure they need to be introduced like that. We had the fox movies and now we have a cartoon as a reminder. Although there is a rumor that Rogue might be in Cap Marvel 2 Interesting. Seeing Rogue gain her vast powers through nearly killing Captain Marvel (which I believe is how it happens in comics) would be an interesting sequence for film. But they’d first have to develop Rogue as a character I think. So that we care when she’s going crazy about it. Either way if they do a confident southern belle Rogue as opposed to the shy and quirky Anna Paquin version I’d be happy. Rogue is always better oozing sass and charisma.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 23:03:05 GMT 1
Live-action. It will definitely be interesting to see what they do with the team. Im not sure they need to be introduced like that. We had the fox movies and now we have a cartoon as a reminder. Although there is a rumor that Rogue might be in Cap Marvel 2 Interesting. Seeing Rogue gain her vast powers through nearly killing Captain Marvel (which I believe is how it happens in comics) would be an interesting sequence for film. But they’d first have to develop Rogue as a character I think. So that we care when she’s going crazy about it. Either way if they do a confident southern belle Rogue as opposed to the shy and quirky Anna Paquin version I’d be happy. Rogue is always better oozing sass and charisma. Yeah Paquin was woefully bad lol. Wtf was that!? I hope they do Rogue justice this time. How you can make a rather interesting character so boring is beyond me..
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Post by Merv on Nov 15, 2021 23:08:47 GMT 1
Interesting. Seeing Rogue gain her vast powers through nearly killing Captain Marvel (which I believe is how it happens in comics) would be an interesting sequence for film. But they’d first have to develop Rogue as a character I think. So that we care when she’s going crazy about it. Either way if they do a confident southern belle Rogue as opposed to the shy and quirky Anna Paquin version I’d be happy. Rogue is always better oozing sass and charisma. Yeah Paquin was woefully bad lol. Wtf was that!? I hope they do Rogue justice this time. How you can make a rather interesting character so boring is beyond me.. She probably was directed to act that way unfortunately. Those Xmen films were very allegorical for sexuality and it always seemed like she was playing the part of a closeted mutant who is ashamed of her powers and wished she were normal. Which is part of what her character really is but also not even close to the same. She always wants a physical connection to people but she isn't some squirrely introvert about it. If anything she makes up for her lack of actual physical contact with an overload of personality. Either way i always liked that her fate intertwines with Ms Marvel. I knew who Ms Marvel is because of the Xmen cartoon, before i ever knew how awesome of a comic character she was. So im curious to see how/if they tackle it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 16, 2021 0:55:18 GMT 1
Live-action. It will definitely be interesting to see what they do with the team. Im not sure they need to be introduced like that. We had the fox movies and now we have a cartoon as a reminder. Although there is a rumor that Rogue might be in Cap Marvel 2 Interesting. Seeing Rogue gain her vast powers through nearly killing Captain Marvel (which I believe is how it happens in comics) would be an interesting sequence for film. But they’d first have to develop Rogue as a character I think. So that we care when she’s going crazy about it. Either way if they do a confident southern belle Rogue as opposed to the shy and quirky Anna Paquin version I’d be happy. Rogue is always better oozing sass and charisma. I think - narratively - the MCU is a long way from a Rogue vs. Captain Marvel confrontation. There are several somewhat rigid prerequisites to telling this story. You have to introduce the concept of a mutant first. You'll also need to introduce Rogue as a fully three-dimensional character (and not a villain of the week). The confrontation must result in permanent changes (or as permanent as comic book changes get) for both women. In my opinion, Captain Marvel vs. Rogue is an X-Men story and not a Captain Marvel story. Danvers is severely mistreated before and after her confrontation with Rogue, but Rogue suffers more as she loses her individuality while (thanks to professor X's intervention) Carol only loses powers. Introducing Rogue feels like a third movie shake-up for the Captain Marvel franchise that could change the fan perception of the character for the better (for those that feel the character is two-dimensional). The loss of her powers would go a long way towards genuinely humanizing the character in the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 6:23:18 GMT 1
Interesting. Seeing Rogue gain her vast powers through nearly killing Captain Marvel (which I believe is how it happens in comics) would be an interesting sequence for film. But they’d first have to develop Rogue as a character I think. So that we care when she’s going crazy about it. Either way if they do a confident southern belle Rogue as opposed to the shy and quirky Anna Paquin version I’d be happy. Rogue is always better oozing sass and charisma. I think - narratively - the MCU is a long way from a Rogue vs. Captain Marvel confrontation. There are several somewhat rigid prerequisites to telling this story. You have to introduce the concept of a mutant first.You'll also need to introduce Rogue as a fully three-dimensional character (and not a villain of the week). The confrontation must result in permanent changes (or as permanent as comic book changes get) for both women. In my opinion, Captain Marvel vs. Rogue is an X-Men story and not a Captain Marvel story. Danvers is severely mistreated before and after her confrontation with Rogue, but Rogue suffers more as she loses her individuality while (thanks to professor X's intervention) Carol only loses powers. Introducing Rogue feels like a third movie shake-up for the Captain Marvel franchise that could change the fan perception of the character for the better (for those that feel the character is two-dimensional). The loss of her powers would go a long way towards genuinely humanizing the character in the MCU. Not really, no. That could just be revealed towards the end, if at all. She may not even know it-that she even is a mutant. Sure obviously she knows she has a certain ability but thats the extent of it and not knowing that there are others out there like her. I mean look at how Black Widow was introduced, or Falcon In her solo/team movie, that can be explored more. It all really depends on how Feige wants to do it but there's definitely a lot of flexibility there It will be great to see Gambit down the line too
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 16, 2021 9:13:04 GMT 1
I think - narratively - the MCU is a long way from a Rogue vs. Captain Marvel confrontation. There are several somewhat rigid prerequisites to telling this story. You have to introduce the concept of a mutant first.You'll also need to introduce Rogue as a fully three-dimensional character (and not a villain of the week). The confrontation must result in permanent changes (or as permanent as comic book changes get) for both women. In my opinion, Captain Marvel vs. Rogue is an X-Men story and not a Captain Marvel story. Danvers is severely mistreated before and after her confrontation with Rogue, but Rogue suffers more as she loses her individuality while (thanks to professor X's intervention) Carol only loses powers. Introducing Rogue feels like a third movie shake-up for the Captain Marvel franchise that could change the fan perception of the character for the better (for those that feel the character is two-dimensional). The loss of her powers would go a long way towards genuinely humanizing the character in the MCU. Not really, no. That could just be revealed towards the end, if at all. She may not even know it-that she even is a mutant. Sure obviously she knows she has a certain ability but thats the extent of it and not knowing that there are others out there like her. I mean look at how Black Widow was introduced, or Falcon In her solo/team movie, that can be explored more. It all really depends on how Feige wants to do it but there's definitely a lot of flexibility there It will be great to see Gambit down the line too If she is unaware of her true nature as a mutant, it means she's isolated and without a support system. How would she find herself in conflict with the absolute most powerful Avenger on Earth? Rogue is a member of the "Brotherhood…" in the comic books, and her mother, Mystique, pushes her to assault Danvers. Rogue has no real motivation to go after Carol without some external impetus. As much as fans want it, I doubt a Rogue/Captain Marvel confrontation is in the cards for the second film. The title suggests that Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, and Monica will team up against a mutual threat. I imagine they're going to follow up on Danver's ongoing conflict with the Kree - as it's all the rage in the comic books right now. And the only real reason people want this fight to happen is that it's the only Captain Marvel story of any consequence that casuals know. It's too good a story to burn solely for the sake of fan service. It's got to be done correctly, and usually, that means doing something fans are traditionally horrible at - being patient. I honestly don't care about Gambit at all. He's way overrated in my book.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 16, 2021 12:20:36 GMT 1
It's too good a story to burn solely for the sake of fan service. It's got to be done correctly, and usually, that means doing something fans are traditionally horrible at - being patient. The whole Spiderman/Doctor Strange shit show in one little quote
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