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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 18:34:53 GMT 1
An underrated classic?
I say.... YES!
I love Pfeiffer's Catwoman, and to risk sounding pretentious: I loved Burton's dark expressionist sensibilities that evoked the gothic grandeur of silent film era horror
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 18:53:53 GMT 1
An underrated classic? I say.... YES! I love Pfeiffer's Catwoman, and to risk sounding pretentious: I loved Burton's dark expressionist sensibilities that evoked the gothic grandeur of silent film era horror it was actually one of my favorite films at the time my brother and i saw it the night *before* it opened
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 20:47:00 GMT 1
An underrated classic? I say.... YES! I love Pfeiffer's Catwoman, and to risk sounding pretentious: I loved Burton's dark expressionist sensibilities that evoked the gothic grandeur of silent film era horror it was actually one of my favorite films at the time my brother and i saw it the night *before* it opened Before?! How?
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 20:51:43 GMT 1
it was actually one of my favorite films at the time my brother and i saw it the night *before* it opened Before?! How? things were different back then, it was to open on a friday, we drove up to the cine on thursday night ( to see something else ) and surprise, it was already showing! we were the only ones in there, too ( because no one else even knew about it )
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 20:53:12 GMT 1
things were different back then, it was to open on a friday, we drove up to the cine on thursday night ( to see something else ) and surprise, it was already showing there! we were the only ones in there, too ( because no one else even knew about it ) Thats awesome!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 20:53:41 GMT 1
things were different back then, it was to open on a friday, we drove up to the cine on thursday night ( to see something else ) and surprise, it was already showing there! we were the only ones in there, too ( because no one else even knew about it ) Thats awesome! it was, and it's a fun memory
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 20:56:10 GMT 1
it was, and it's a fun memory Nice! I was pretty young back then. My mom wouldn't let me see it. Too scary!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 20:58:45 GMT 1
it was, and it's a fun memory Nice! I was pretty young back then. My mom wouldn't let me see it. Too scary! i heard some parents were against it ( and that's why WB wouldnt let Burton direct part 3 ) but in 1992 I was 22 and my "baby" brother was 15
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 21:01:22 GMT 1
Nice! I was pretty young back then. My mom wouldn't let me see it. Too scary! i heard some parents were against it ( and that's why WB wouldnt let Burton direct part 3 ) but in 1992 I was 22 and my "baby" brother was 15 It was a big controversy. I even remember it. I thought of it at the time as being a Batman movie for "adults only". I did have the Happy Meal toys though!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 21:04:31 GMT 1
i heard some parents were against it ( and that's why WB wouldnt let Burton direct part 3 ) but in 1992 I was 22 and my "baby" brother was 15 It was a big controversy. I even remember it. I thought of it at the time as being a Batman movie for "adults only". I did have the Happy Meal toys though! BRILLIANT! ( and yes, even I thought some of the Penguin stuff was gross )
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 21:07:31 GMT 1
It was a big controversy. I even remember it. I thought of it at the time as being a Batman movie for "adults only". I did have the Happy Meal toys though! BRILLIANT! ( and yes, even I thought some of the Penguin stuff was gross ) Penguin is my least favorite part of the movie by far. Apparently he was chosen by the studio because of his popularity on the old Adam West tv show. I forget exactly who Burton wanted. I think it was either Two Face or Scarecrow.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 21:18:00 GMT 1
BRILLIANT! ( and yes, even I thought some of the Penguin stuff was gross ) Penguin is my least favorite part of the movie by far. Apparently he was chosen by the studio because of his popularity on the old Adam West tv show. I forget exactly who Burton wanted. I think it was either Two Face or Scarecrow. i never understood why Burton felt it was okay to show him eating whole fish raw, and biting people's noses off, wtf?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 4, 2020 22:11:36 GMT 1
I don't remember there being any controversy when the movie came out and it's only in very recent years that I have seen people talking about it online. Personally, I never found anything in the movie to be in any way objectionable. Pretty standard PG-13 stuff as far as I can see. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom certainly had worse stuff in it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:34:13 GMT 1
Penguin is my least favorite part of the movie by far. Apparently he was chosen by the studio because of his popularity on the old Adam West tv show. I forget exactly who Burton wanted. I think it was either Two Face or Scarecrow. i never understood why Burton felt it was okay to show him eating whole fish raw, and biting people's noses off, wtf? I know, right? And that stuff totally screwed him out of directing the third one, and ultimately the movie would've been the same without it. It wasn't even worth it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:35:25 GMT 1
I don't remember there being any controversy when the movie came out and it's only in very recent years that I have seen people talking about it online. Personally, I never found anything in the movie to be in any way objectionable. Pretty standard PG-13 stuff as far as I can see. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom certainly had worse stuff in it. It was a big controversy at the time though. And don't forget that Doom is literally the reason we have a PG 13 rating.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on May 4, 2020 22:37:24 GMT 1
i never understood why Burton felt it was okay to show him eating whole fish raw, and biting people's noses off, wtf? I know, right? And that stuff totally screwed him out of directing the third one, and ultimately the movie would've been the same without it. It wasn't even worth it. it would have been so easy to leave that stuff out and we all know what happened when Joel Schumacher was ordered to make it "more kid friendly"
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 0:42:22 GMT 1
It's a stone cold classic. I like it much more than Batman ft John Nickelback
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Post by Grandmaster on May 5, 2020 7:46:07 GMT 1
things were different back then, it was to open on a friday, we drove up to the cine on thursday night ( to see something else ) and surprise, it was already showing! we were the only ones in there, too ( because no one else even knew about it ) Movies in my country open on Wednesday evening. But for big onesyou can go Tuesday->Wednesday at midnight. Like Endgame. Those showing sell out...
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Post by AQUA JAMES! on May 5, 2020 19:00:06 GMT 1
I think it’s just as good as the 89 film. DeVito and Pfeiffer were awesome.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 22:52:49 GMT 1
Penguin is my least favorite part of the movie by far. Apparently he was chosen by the studio because of his popularity on the old Adam West tv show. I forget exactly who Burton wanted. I think it was either Two Face or Scarecrow. i never understood why Burton felt it was okay to show him eating whole fish raw, and biting people's noses off, wtf? Burton will be Burton once you've taken the corporate restrictions off him.
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Post by miike80 on May 6, 2020 13:28:09 GMT 1
I still love the movie, that atmosphere, the music..
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2020 14:20:48 GMT 1
I still love the movie, that atmosphere, the music.. The only thing that bothers me is Batman is hardly in the movie. If they gave him 15-20 mins more screen time it would probably be my favourite Batman movie of them all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 5:53:38 GMT 1
A fine feature, if I may so myself.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 14, 2021 7:56:15 GMT 1
NOTE: I typed up this review for the film back in 2008...so it's a bit 'outdated' by now (I like to think my reviewing skills have improved somewhat since then). My opinions on the film may have changed somewhat, as I probably haven't watched it since I typed up this review (I may have just been in a mood when typing it).
…Meow.
You know those films you watched when growing up, that you thought were SO amazing, but when you go back and re-watch them, you realise they're not all they're cracked up to be? Well...this is one of those films. It's the very definition of "style over substance". Sure, it LOOKS great, and yes, it does have a memorable theme provided by Danny Elfman, but having said that...there's still plot holes aplenty (big enough to drive a Batmobile through). Where to begin? Let's start with the obvious ones: Since when are their penguins living in the sewers? How does a mutant baby penguin-child survive in said sewers, and where in the WORLD does he find both goons and high-tech gizmos exactly? Let's not even get into the part involving penguins with rockets on their backs. Seem unlikely? Not half as unlikely as a lonely secretary (sorry...ASSISTANT) getting shoved out of a high-rise building, plummeting to her apparent "death", only to be brought back to life by a clutter of cats (who appear from seemingly nowhere) via some sort of bizarre cat ritual that involves them jumping over her prone body and chewing on her fingers. This results in her being turned talcum powder white, acting like a zombie and then going all "crazy" at home (her poor stuffed animals meet a grisly end in the garbage disposal). Despite having "died" and then resurrecting, she still manages to create an entire home-stitched dominatrix catsuit (complete with cowl and gloves) out of a single black vinyl jacket. She both feels and LOOKS "so much yummier". Her resurrection also granted her martial arts skills, the ability to wield a whip with expert proficiency and the urge to randomly blow up buildings. Resurrection via kitty bite RULES! I guess feline saliva has some amazing properties in it? Kitty spit is made of AWESOME.
Catwoman's not the only one to defy death, though. The Penguin manages to survive his entire sewer lair collapsing on him long enough to drool black-green goo and deliver some lame last line before he falls down dead (finally!) and is miraculously carried into the water by his army of penguins. This is, of course, after he's managed to not only convince all of Gotham that he's some sort of "hero" who just wants to find out about his heritage, but somehow be in the running for Mayor. I guess it's not that hard...when it appears that all of Gotham are grade A morons. Didn't they learn anything from the Joker? I guess the Penguin's just smarter than the average Gothamite (he does somehow acquire the technology needed to deactivate Batman's Batmobile armour and tamper with it after all. Not to mention he has a vast array of trick umbrellas - talk about fancy technology. He hooks the handle of one of these special umbrellas - that doubles as a mini helicopter - around Catwoman's neck and sends her her up, up and away at one point...simply for rejecting his icky advances. I felt sorry for Catwoman there, but on the plus side, she got to fly over Gotham City's skyline and see the sights).
Someone whose the total opposite of that^ and is completely incapable of having fun is Batman himself. Bruce Wayne just sits in his dimly-lit mansion, in a constant state of broodiness, doing absolutely nothing until he sees the Bat-Signal in the sky - at which point he's all pursed lips and dramatic head-turns. What a boring Batman! You'd think he'd be playing poker with Alfred at least, but no, he's just waiting for the signal, in a constant broody mood. When he puts on the Bat-suit, however, his mood shifts to...glum. Seriously, his mouth is turned downwards (when he's Batman) to such an extent that it looks like a muppet mouth. His Batmobile - which you can tell was solely designed with the idea of what a great toy it'd make for kids in mind - is ready for ANY occasion. Why should Penguin be the only one with unbelievable technology? As far as the actors go, Keaton doesn't have much to do besides scowl. DeVito is pretty nasty in his Penguin make-up and gives a nicely creepy performance. Walken (as Selina's tycoon boss, Max Shreck) and his crazy grey hair - which looks like the result of too much electricity - is the very definition of "arch". He actually twiddles his fingers in an evil manner at one point. ALL the characters spout cringe-worthy dialogue at some time or another, with varying degrees of success.
The one who comes out on top, of course, is Miss. Selina Kyle herself - Michelle Pfeiffer. She is the definitive Catwoman, no matter what anybody else says. Yes, her origin story may vary from that of the comic book character or whatever, but it's of little importance. Pfeiffer exudes sexiness. She rises above the movie's shortcomings to bring us a memorable villainess/anti-hero, who encourages women to stand up for themselves, by gum! She makes the transformation from lonely, frustrated, slightly bumbling secretary (who gives us monologues - out loud - about her love life...or lack thereof), into a back-flipping, whip-cracking (and sometimes jump-roping), stun-gunning dominatrix capable of fitting an entire canary in her gob (I wonder how the bird managed not to suffocate in there?) - and you can't help but love every minute of it. Even when she rather foolishly lets herself get shot multiple times - just to prove a point - but soldiers on, rhyming as she does so. Shreck finally has a reason for his hair looking like that of the Doc's (from Back to the Future) there at the end, when there's some sparkage between him and Selina. Pfeiffer completely owns the part, and it's a relief to see her pop up into frame just before the credits roll (somehow having repaired her cowl - which had previously had holes in it that bits of her wild mane stuck out from). Meow indeed.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 14, 2021 16:17:35 GMT 1
10/10
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Post by AQUA JAMES! on Jan 16, 2021 2:08:45 GMT 1
Underrated indeed. I think this movie is better than the first in a couple ways.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jan 16, 2021 5:30:10 GMT 1
I rewatched this one recently, and I’m pretty sure this is is my favorite Batman movie of them all. The filmmaking is superb. I have no problem at all with Penguin in all his disgustingness, Selina’s unexplained resurrection, or any of the sillinesses. I wish more of the plot threads—Penguin’s run for mayor, framing Bats, siccing mutant penguins on the city—added to to something, but that’s basically my only criticism. Otherwise, it’s ingenious, Gothic, expressionistic, moody, funny, fun, witty, weird, cynical, and wonderful.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 21, 2021 23:39:23 GMT 1
An underrated classic? I say.... YES! I love Pfeiffer's Catwoman, and to risk sounding pretentious: I loved Burton's dark expressionist sensibilities that evoked the gothic grandeur of silent film era horror I still love this one. From a much more innocent age of film, every actor in this is a joy to watch. Devito, Walken, Pfeiffer, and Keaton of course. While it’s camp it’s always enjoyable and the story is engaging. and The city scenes being set all on a single block set gives it this play like quality which in the best of ways makes it feel like a film from an earlier era. And that’s how the characters come across as well. It’s very surreal in a Burton style.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jul 9, 2023 17:59:39 GMT 1
Danny DeVito has voiced interest in a return as Penguin.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 9, 2023 22:26:43 GMT 1
Danny DeVito has voiced interest in a return as Penguin.
I'd rather see the return of Pfeiffer's Catwoman.
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