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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 20, 2022 19:49:44 GMT 1
Wasn't I hearing $120 million last week?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 20, 2022 21:39:16 GMT 1
Wasn't I hearing $120 million last week? That's cold, taylorfirst1. Don't you know that Black Adam will be nothing less than a rebirth of DC pride? I'm heading out to see it now. Shazam!! One billion, or bust!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 20, 2022 22:35:04 GMT 1
I'm seeing it first thing on Sunday.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 20, 2022 22:44:48 GMT 1
In the theater… it's pretty full here, but still some empty seats.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 21, 2022 5:38:17 GMT 1
Initial thoughts…
Not bad, but not great. It's worth seeing in a theater, though - in IMAX if you can. Lots of solid action set pieces. Dr. Fate kills. Rest of JSA - meh.
The Rock is better than I expected him to be in the role. So much so that his slavish attention to detail only underscores that Black Adam is a one-note character.
Visual FX are excellent, but they do feel weightless at times. There are a lot of moments where actors quickly move to their mark in preparation for a VFX shot to take over - sort of awkward.
Atom Smasher is a surprisingly fun character.
My biggest gripe is the continued disregard for source material in favor of nonsensical and needlessly convoluted reinterpretations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 7:47:44 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 7:50:58 GMT 1
Initial thoughts… Not bad, but not great. It's worth seeing in a theater, though - in IMAX if you can. Lots of solid action set pieces. Dr. Fate kills. Rest of JSA - meh. The Rock is better than I expected him to be in the role. So much so that his slavish attention to detail only underscores that Black Adam is a one-note character. Visual FX are excellent, but they do feel weightless at times. There are a lot of moments where actors quickly move to their mark in preparation for a VFX shot to take over - sort of awkward. Atom Smasher is a surprisingly fun character. My biggest gripe is the continued disregard for source material in favor of nonsensical and needlessly convoluted reinterpretations. How would you compare it to other superhero movies in general? Obviously it wont be Dark Knight or Guardians level haha
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 21, 2022 14:45:30 GMT 1
Initial thoughts… Not bad, but not great. It's worth seeing in a theater, though - in IMAX if you can. Lots of solid action set pieces. Dr. Fate kills. Rest of JSA - meh. The Rock is better than I expected him to be in the role. So much so that his slavish attention to detail only underscores that Black Adam is a one-note character. Visual FX are excellent, but they do feel weightless at times. There are a lot of moments where actors quickly move to their mark in preparation for a VFX shot to take over - sort of awkward. Atom Smasher is a surprisingly fun character. My biggest gripe is the continued disregard for source material in favor of nonsensical and needlessly convoluted reinterpretations. How would you compare it to other superhero movies in general? Obviously it wont be Dark Knight or Guardians level haha I don't make comparisons, but I can say this, I like both of the films you mentioned better than Black Adam, but I don't that's not a knock on Black Adam. I think Black Adam works for the most part because it rips off so many other superhero movies. The theft is blatant and sometimes laughable, but it still works. Wait until you see their tribute to the First Avenger. LOL! This film will be extremely popular with dude-bros who like their anti-heroes to be muscular scowling murder bots. The Rock still can't act, but he was born to play Black Adam. As a moviegoer, the film is a perfect weekend blockbuster. The energy in the crowd I was in was palpable. People love to watch the Rock kill people - and he kills many people. As a comic book reader, the film is a laughable disappointment. The blatant disregard for the source is insulting. I could tell you what I disliked, but, in all fairness, that would mean disclosing spoilers. I still think the film will do big business, but I am revising my projections down - Aquaman was better, or, if not at least, on par with Black Adam. Oddly enough, it feels like K.E.V.I.N. wrote this movie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 20:49:51 GMT 1
How would you compare it to other superhero movies in general? Obviously it wont be Dark Knight or Guardians level haha I don't make comparisons, but I can say this, I like both of the films you mentioned better than Black Adam, but I don't that's not a knock on Black Adam. I think Black Adam works for the most part because it rips off so many other superhero movies. The theft is blatant and sometimes laughable, but it still works. Wait until you see their tribute to the First Avenger. LOL! This film will be extremely popular with dude-bros who like their anti-heroes to be muscular scowling murder bots. The Rock still can't act, but he was born to play Black Adam. As a moviegoer, the film is a perfect weekend blockbuster. The energy in the crowd I was in was palpable. People love to watch the Rock kill people - and he kills many people. As a comic book reader, the film is a laughable disappointment. The blatant disregard for the source is insulting. I could tell you what I disliked, but, in all fairness, that would mean disclosing spoilers. I still think the film will do big business, but I am revising my projections down - Aquaman was better, or, if not at least, on par with Black Adam. Oddly enough, it feels like K.E.V.I.N. wrote this movie. Oh no..I see by your avatar you have become a mcu terrorist too now. The movement is growing. I bet it's Merv or Grandmaster spearheading this. The clock has now moved 14 min to the MCU apocalypse
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 21, 2022 20:57:53 GMT 1
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 22, 2022 2:10:59 GMT 1
"..,Black Adam is set to make $25 million on Friday, which would easily be the best opening day for Dwayne Johnson among his solo projects."
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Post by AQUA EDGE! on Oct 25, 2022 8:24:25 GMT 1
I think LDM essentially nailed it with his take all though he was harsher on the film then I am willing to be, it is simply due to the fact that who knows what is even fucking going on at this point with DC films and so basically when they release a film if its more positive then for instance the She-Hulk finale i am impressed. LDM is correct in that basically they borrow and make their own versions of the successful elements of MCU films across the entire film, and their versions are almost totally identical to the actual MCU versions lol. The Atom Smasher character is giant Ant Man from the MCU except the actor is not as funny as paul rudd. Hats off however on adding the Justice Society to the movie, even if just like alot of the movie it is not presented comic book accurately i think Death Man would agree Hawkman and Dr Fate were great or the actors were whatever. And dont forget this was sort of the Rocks baby and he had a hand in almost every aspect of the film i believe so kudos to the Rock for throwing himself into this shit and putting out a at least fun and entertaining movie, that does mostly have a cohesive story and is not like at Venom or Venom 2 level pos garbage.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 27, 2022 18:08:00 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 28, 2022 15:10:24 GMT 1
A few nitpicks I had with the film - careful for SPOILERS.
Depending on the interpretation, Hawkman, Black Adam, and Dr. Fate all have strong ties to the ancient world in the comic books. Why did they choose not to carry that over from the source material? It could have easily strengthened the movie by giving the characters something of a shared history. That was a huge missed opportunity. Dr. Fate carries an ankh (an Egyptian symbol of eternal life) and has one on his costume in the comics. That iconography was totally absent from the movie.
Eternium was dumb and didn't add anything of value to the movie; it should have been left out. All Intergang seemed to be doing with it was mining it to make weapons to continue their pointless occupation of a third-world country.
The movie takes a huge L for having no mention of Captain Marvel and no appearance by the wizard. Instead, they're trying to sell us on this contrived rivalry between Superman and Black Adam.
Lastly, I didn't mind Skater Kid, but he seems to be taking a lot of flack from audiences. His presence could have been reduced a bit. Didn't hate him, though.
Those are my pain points with an otherwise entertaining film.
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 29, 2022 22:24:23 GMT 1
I was not impressed. I had fun. But I wouldnt call this movie any good.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 29, 2022 23:59:21 GMT 1
I was not impressed. I had fun. But I wouldnt call this movie any good. I disagree but, I see where you're coming from. I enjoyed the film, but I have a feeling that a second viewing, by myself and without a "hyped" audience, could expose a lot more flaws. Dwayne Johnson is Black Adam and I wouldn't mind seeing him in future films.
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 30, 2022 10:47:17 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 30, 2022 12:55:58 GMT 1
Want to know how bizarrely disconnected I am right now?
I didn’t even know this came out
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Oct 30, 2022 22:56:34 GMT 1
Not interested. The way The Rock went around promoting it annoyed me, so I'm boycotting out of protest. No, I don't care how good everyone, or whoever directly replies to me, says it is. Not interested.
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 30, 2022 23:22:08 GMT 1
Not interested. The way The Rock went around promoting it annoyed me, so I'm boycotting out of protest. No, I don't care how good everyone, or whoever directly replies to me, says it is. Not interested. I gave it 3/10. Dont waste your time on this. Not worth it.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Nov 24, 2022 17:07:53 GMT 1
The film will be available for streaming on participating platforms by November 22 and will arrive on 4K, Blu-ray, and DVD on January 3.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 25, 2022 3:50:42 GMT 1
Not interested. The way The Rock went around promoting it annoyed me, so I'm boycotting out of protest. No, I don't care how good everyone, or whoever directly replies to me, says it is. Not interested. I gave it 3/10. Dont waste your time on this. Not worth it. Good news. It flopped.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 29, 2022 17:17:23 GMT 1
I gave it 3/10. Dont waste your time on this. Not worth it. Good news. It flopped. And how… Just looked at the numbers. Entertaining as it was, in parts, there's no denying Black Adam was a box office turkey. Why did I think it grossed more? Gunn and Safran can't get started fast enough. This is what you get for making a Black Adam movie without Shazam. DOMESTIC (43.1%) $162,836,860 INTERNATIONAL (56.9%) $214,900,000 WORLDWIDE $377,736,860
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 29, 2022 17:46:16 GMT 1
Before this movie came out, I had doubts about the box office and I asked myself "what happens to the DCEU if this movie underperforms?". But I never thought this movie would straight up flop like this. Gunn and Safran really have a tangled mess to deal with at this point.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 29, 2022 18:08:31 GMT 1
Before this movie came out, I had doubts about the box office and I asked myself "what happens to the DCEU if this movie underperforms?". But I never thought this movie would straight up flop like this. Gunn and Safran really have a tangled mess to deal with at this point.Yeah, and it seems like Zaslov is not letting them reboot the DCEU. Joker, The Batman and basically anything that performs - even moderately - is sticking around. This isn't unlike what Hamada had to deal with. I honestly don't know if they'll be able to pull it off.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 29, 2022 18:12:44 GMT 1
It's already on digital for purchase and rental. I could have sworn someone in the mainstream press said this film hit $450 WW a while back… this is nuts. Morbius might have been more profitable.
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Post by Merv on Nov 29, 2022 19:52:46 GMT 1
It was a bold move for WB to green light a 200 million + film based on a character that isn't a household name, or even a hero in the comics for that matter. Their budget for Black Adam was at least twice as large as that of Shazam and those two characters are about on the same page popularity wise, I would guess.
This wasn't Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman. This wasn't even Green Lantern or Flash. They didn't even do themselves a favor by building on the potential groundwork that Shazam had set and making sure to include him in this. I'm honestly not sure how they expected this to be as profitable as they did. What it achieved was solid, and should have been the expectation.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 29, 2022 22:45:03 GMT 1
And how… Just looked at the numbers. Entertaining as it was, in parts, there's no denying Black Adam was a box office turkey. Why did I think it grossed more? Gunn and Safran can't get started fast enough. This is what you get for making a Black Adam movie without Shazam. DOMESTIC (43.1%) $162,836,860 INTERNATIONAL (56.9%) $214,900,000 WORLDWIDE $377,736,860 Honestly, I'm happy with The Rock not being able to take over the DCU, at the very least.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 29, 2022 23:16:23 GMT 1
It was a bold move for WB to green light a 200 million + film based on a character that isn't a household name, or even a hero in the comics for that matter. Their budget for Black Adam was at least twice as large as that of Shazam and those two characters are about on the same page popularity wise, I would guess. This wasn't Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman. This wasn't even Green Lantern or Flash. They didn't even do themselves a favor by building on the potential groundwork that Shazam had set and making sure to include him in this. I'm honestly not sure how they expected this to be as profitable as they did. What it achieved was solid, and should have been the expectation. WB deserves credit for making Black Adam, but honestly, I don't think the project would have materialized without Dwayne Johnson (and Boss Logic). As much as I enjoyed the film based on it being a Dwayne Johnson superhero film, we must acknowledge that the film is far from a faithful adaptation of the character. Black Adam's pivot from villain to anti-hero was weak in the comics and catastrophic on the big screen. The movie made me realize how much Black Adam's story, when taken out of the context of the Shazam mythos, isn't compelling and probably doesn't make much sense. Black Adam was the wizard's mistake. Shazam was his remedy. There is nothing that anyone on the face of the earth can do about Black Adam, but so long as Shazam exists, the scales will always be balanced. Divorcing him from the Marvel family saga was a critical mistake. You can't tell Black Adam's story without including the Wizard and Shazam. Black Adam was old, angry, and cynical when he received his powers; Billy is the opposite of that, he embodies hope, joy, and never ending optimism. Casual fans probably did not notice or care about the omissions, but they certainly responded to the weaker storyline.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Nov 29, 2022 23:40:52 GMT 1
It was a bold move for WB to green light a 200 million + film based on a character that isn't a household name, or even a hero in the comics for that matter. Their budget for Black Adam was at least twice as large as that of Shazam and those two characters are about on the same page popularity wise, I would guess. This wasn't Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman. This wasn't even Green Lantern or Flash. They didn't even do themselves a favor by building on the potential groundwork that Shazam had set and making sure to include him in this. I'm honestly not sure how they expected this to be as profitable as they did. What it achieved was solid, and should have been the expectation. WB deserves credit for making Black Adam, but honestly, I don't think the project would have materialized without Dwayne Johnson (and Boss Logic). As much as I enjoyed the film based on it being a Dwayne Johnson superhero film, we must acknowledge that the film is far from a faithful adaptation of the character. Black Adam's pivot from villain to anti-hero was weak in the comics and catastrophic on the big screen. The movie made me realize how much Black Adam's story, when taken out of the context of the Shazam mythos, isn't compelling and probably doesn't make much sense. Black Adam was the wizard's mistake. Shazam was his remedy. There is nothing that anyone on the face of the earth can do about Black Adam, but so long as Shazam exists, the scales will always be balanced. Divorcing him from the Marvel family saga was a critical mistake. You can't tell Black Adam's story without including the Wizard and Shazam. Black Adam was old, angry, and cynical when he received his powers; Billy is the opposite of that, he embodies hope, joy, and never ending optimism. Casual fans probably did not notice or care about the omissions, but they certainly responded to the weaker storyline. Another problem with their bold move here is that they've poisoned the pond too much. For every one good DC film since 2010, there's been at least three bad ones, and audiences WILL take notice of that, especially if it's been the trend for a full freaking 12 years. I'm sure the execs at WB thought they could probably pull a Jon Favreau's Ironman and kickstart a soft reboot of the DCU with a movie about an unknown character, but unfortunately, this isn't 2008 anymore. Comic book movies in both camps already had their chance for a fresh start in the eyes of paying customers. For Marvel, Ironman was the shot in the arm needed after just two disappointments, from which the situation was still very recoverable. Black Adam is coming after a decade of non-starters movies like Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, the entire freaking DCEU except Wonder Woman, etc., middling attempts like Man of Steel, Shazam, the first Suicide Squad movie, and complete disasters like everything Snyder touched after Man of Steel with so little in the way of outright winners, how could audiences just extend Black Adam the same benefit of the doubt people gave Ironman back in 2008? And the reason Ironman had a fighting chance in 2008 was because the media landscape was still ripe for the picking and comic book movies didn't have a solidified reputation or status yet in the eyes of early 21st Century film goers. Ironman was more or less a clean slate because it could be, because thankfully, those Marvel movies from back then weren't connected. Black Adam will forever be bogged down by WB's other failures from the 2010s, marking DC films as "the bad one" in the eyes of many. The Rock should have humbled himself and let himself appear in the Shazam sequel first, because even some of the MCU's characters needed to win hearts before they could take on the box office by themselves.
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