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Post by Grandmaster on May 20, 2020 19:54:09 GMT 1
Not relevant to anyone but me, but I just have to get it off my chest: I just found out that my best friend, who’s attending grad school in a different country, isn’t coming back for his break in August, after being unable to come back for his break this month. So disappointed. I hate this virus, this pandemic, this lockdown so much. I feel you. We were supposed to go Malaysia last month to have the rituals done for the first anniversary of my mother in law's passing which is very important in my wife's culture. I hate that this is happening.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on May 20, 2020 20:00:30 GMT 1
Not relevant to anyone but me, but I just have to get it off my chest: I just found out that my best friend, who’s attending grad school in a different country, isn’t coming back for his break in August, after being unable to come back for his break this month. So disappointed. I hate this virus, this pandemic, this lockdown so much. I feel you. We were supposed to go Malaysia last month to have the rituals done for the first anniversary of my mother in law's passing which is very important in my wife's culture. I hate that this is happening. Gah, that’s heartbreaking, GM… I don’t know if you’re a praying kind of person—to be honest, I’m not much of one anymore myself—but I’m saying a prayer for your wife, you, your family, and your mother-in-law. Hope you can go as soon as possible.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 20, 2020 20:06:57 GMT 1
I feel you. We were supposed to go Malaysia last month to have the rituals done for the first anniversary of my mother in law's passing which is very important in my wife's culture. I hate that this is happening. Gah, that’s heartbreaking, GM… I don’t know if you’re a praying kind of person—to be honest, I’m not much of one anymore myself—but I’m saying a prayer for your wife, you, your family, and your mother-in-law. Hope you can go as soon as possible. Well I do believe in God but Im not really religious. My wife is though. I thank you for your kind words and prayers. And right now we have no clue when we will be able to go back to Malaysia. My government doesnt allow travelling abroad unless its needed. This isnt. And quite frankly... at the moment I wouldnt go if I could. I have no desire to travel to a third world country at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 12:08:23 GMT 1
I say that because how much influence do they have in the world? Compared to America and Europe. What technological achievements have they made? When you look at the top 30 billionaire list, China barely makes a dent. Scores of people in China are in poverty or are struggling, the majority actually. Not sure how you can dominate when its citizens are like that. That's why it's still a developing country At what point in the past, do you believe they were dominant in world affairs? Who knows what's going to happen with the WHO? It might trigger other countries to leave too. Sure there will be a vacuum but it doesnt mean China will just take the reigns. America is much stronger politically internationally, so is the EU. You seem to think America and Europe dont have their own intelligence and international agents. That may happen, it may not. Just because China is waiting for an opportunity, doesnt mean Europe will just sit idly by. Italy would never side with China on serious matters especially when it comes to strategic alliances, even if they broke away from the EU. Did anyone really actively help Japan in WW2 from the European side? At best it was just a truce from the Nazis. You do your thing, we'll do ours and that's Japan. China is loathed among many of its Asian counterparts due to the conflicts in the Yellow Sea and other matters. They are definitely not friendly with India, another country with an enormous population and also holds nuclear weapons. 1. In recent years, China’s global investments have grown dramatically, surpassing the USA as the largest trading partner with many countries in Africa and Latin America. China is challenging the USA’s strategic influence across the globe. From official investments in key industries like aerospace, artificial intelligence, infrastructure and power distribution, to investments by Chinese companies in new technologies like 5G, China has pledged to become a world economic leader by 2025. While the USA has proposed deep and disproportionate cuts to diplomacy and development for three consecutive years, China has doubled its foreign affairs budget since 2011. In 2018, China increased its budget for diplomacy by nearly 16% and its budget for foreign aid by nearly 7%. It has also been noted that the Chinese model of economic development has created dependencies in countries unable to repay their loans and it has been reluctant to contribute to international efforts to address global threats. When it comes to billionaires, it was reported on March 3, 2020 by the website, Statista, that China topped the list in 2020 with a billionaire population of 799. China produced nearly 4 in every 10 new billionaires this year, outpacing the number of new faces in the USA. The world’s second-largest economy added 182 of the 479 new billionaires, taking the tally in China to 799, according to the latest Hurun Global Rich List 2020. Meanwhile, the USA minted 59 new billionaires to raise its total to 626. As for the poverty rate, in China, recent data from the National Bureau of Statistics showed that the war on poverty continued in 2019. China has lifted nearly 850 000 000 rural poor out of poverty over the past six years and its poverty rate - the proportion of people living below the poverty line - dropped from 10.2% to 1.7% over the same period. Meanwhile, in the USA, based on the US Census Bureau's 2017 estimates, the official poverty rate is 12.3%. In 2017, it was estimated that nearly 40 000 000 USA citizens lived in poverty, according to the official measure. So with the differences in the overall population and the cost of living between the two countries it seems like there are less people in China doing it tough than in the USA. Of course, now that the people of the world have to deal with this global pandemic, all bets are off. By the way, China is not a developing country. It has been referred to as an emerging superpower, given that Beijing's power is now beyond the classification of a Great Power. Oh... and I'm not sure how the USA can dominate when its citizens are like that. Does that mean they're still a developing country? 2. It first rose to prominence in the West between 1271 and 1368. Over the centuries since then, it has played a role on the global stage to varying degrees. Sometimes more forceful, sometimes more submissive. For a very long time, they were an isolationist nation in nature, but all of that's in the past. They're now in number two position and it looks like they won't be satisfied until they've become number one. 3. Indeed, it's never easy to predict the future, especially where international organizations are concerned. And I never said that China would automatically take the reigns. I said the recent actions of President Donald Trump to cut funding to the World Health Organization has provided China with an opening to fill the position of influence vacated by the USA. It gives them an opportunity to increase their influence. They might ultimately be successful or unsuccessful in this endeavour. I'm sure the USA and the EU are still both very formidable and powerful. However, as I've already indicated in this post and an earlier one, the USA has proposed deep and disproportionate cuts to diplomacy and development, while China has increased it's own. Meanwhile, the EU is struggling to cope with the global pandemic, deal with growing internal turmoil from multiple member states and negotiate a successful Brexit Treaty with a departing member state. So, at present, I wouldn't personally wish to claim anything as a certainty. And I've made no such claim about the abilities of the USA and the EU when it comes to intelligence gathering and analyse. However, you surely realize that whatever they can do, China can do as well. 4. I doubt very few countries would choose to sit idly and watch the world pass them by. However, I think, ultimately, Italy will act in their own best interest, even if this means some sort of alliance with China. However, I see it more as a trading alliance than a strategic one. Economics is more attractive, effective and influential than conflict. Your reference to WWII is a bit of a non-sequitur, but it's important to remember that times have changed dramatically in the last... 75 years. The "Nazis" have become the most economically influential and powerful member of the EU, whilst Japan is third in ranking for overall GDP globally... behind the USA and China. Not bad for a couple of losers. Everything changes, nothing stays the same. It's also interesting that you should mention India. Economists have predicted that in the long term, India will eventually overtake China in economic dominance, just as China will overtake the USA in economic dominance. Of course, the experts could well be wrong and - due to unforeseen events - some other alternate future will arise. I can't wait to find out. To quote the motto of this website: "Time will tell..." If you choose to believe the propaganda and info that the Chinese spout, well so be it. Let me remind you, China is a communist country and the media is tightly controlled by them and so is the country naturally. As you can imagine, it is difficult to gain accurate statistics and info from China (for them to save face and project strength). If you honestly believe the nation has eradicated that much poverty, more power to you. I dont buy it for a second. Same goes for their technological 'advancements', if anything, stolen tech from the idiotic Western companies that do business over there ie presence of company offices and the sort. They should know what a communist regime is like I also made a mistake above somewhere, I said the Yellow Sea, I meant the South China Sea I only mentioned the Germans in that capacity because thats what they were at the time, Nazis. I never said anything about them doing poorly. This is another country that will go against China when it comes to the crunch. No one in the modern Western world is going to accept a communist regime as their leader and if that leads to war, then so be it but China will not come out on top. Ok, Im sure America still comes out on top re billionaires net worth combined with China only having one billionaire in the top 30 but in the very much lower end of that spectrum. Look at how many military bases America and Europe has around the world compared to China, they dwarf them. America alone dwarfs them, they dwarf everyone. Let's look at some other factors: China's eerie ghost cities a 'symptom' of the country's economic troubles and housing bubbleghost cities-50 of them with 64 million empty apartments in China China's looming great wall of debt may have 'major global implications'This beauty also mentions the detrimental effects of the trade war against China Why is emerging global superpower China still categorised as a 'developing' country?What did you say again about China and that developing country thing? Xi Jinping is determined to end all poverty in China by 2020. Can he do it?Not the biggest fan of the CNN but this perfectly illustrates how China, the communist regime, is: I do agree with one thing, time will tell. Although my money is against China
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 13:02:30 GMT 1
1. In recent years, China’s global investments have grown dramatically, surpassing the USA as the largest trading partner with many countries in Africa and Latin America. China is challenging the USA’s strategic influence across the globe. From official investments in key industries like aerospace, artificial intelligence, infrastructure and power distribution, to investments by Chinese companies in new technologies like 5G, China has pledged to become a world economic leader by 2025. While the USA has proposed deep and disproportionate cuts to diplomacy and development for three consecutive years, China has doubled its foreign affairs budget since 2011. In 2018, China increased its budget for diplomacy by nearly 16% and its budget for foreign aid by nearly 7%. It has also been noted that the Chinese model of economic development has created dependencies in countries unable to repay their loans and it has been reluctant to contribute to international efforts to address global threats. When it comes to billionaires, it was reported on March 3, 2020 by the website, Statista, that China topped the list in 2020 with a billionaire population of 799. China produced nearly 4 in every 10 new billionaires this year, outpacing the number of new faces in the USA. The world’s second-largest economy added 182 of the 479 new billionaires, taking the tally in China to 799, according to the latest Hurun Global Rich List 2020. Meanwhile, the USA minted 59 new billionaires to raise its total to 626. As for the poverty rate, in China, recent data from the National Bureau of Statistics showed that the war on poverty continued in 2019. China has lifted nearly 850 000 000 rural poor out of poverty over the past six years and its poverty rate - the proportion of people living below the poverty line - dropped from 10.2% to 1.7% over the same period. Meanwhile, in the USA, based on the US Census Bureau's 2017 estimates, the official poverty rate is 12.3%. In 2017, it was estimated that nearly 40 000 000 USA citizens lived in poverty, according to the official measure. So with the differences in the overall population and the cost of living between the two countries it seems like there are less people in China doing it tough than in the USA. Of course, now that the people of the world have to deal with this global pandemic, all bets are off. By the way, China is not a developing country. It has been referred to as an emerging superpower, given that Beijing's power is now beyond the classification of a Great Power. Oh... and I'm not sure how the USA can dominate when its citizens are like that. Does that mean they're still a developing country? 2. It first rose to prominence in the West between 1271 and 1368. Over the centuries since then, it has played a role on the global stage to varying degrees. Sometimes more forceful, sometimes more submissive. For a very long time, they were an isolationist nation in nature, but all of that's in the past. They're now in number two position and it looks like they won't be satisfied until they've become number one. 3. Indeed, it's never easy to predict the future, especially where international organizations are concerned. And I never said that China would automatically take the reigns. I said the recent actions of President Donald Trump to cut funding to the World Health Organization has provided China with an opening to fill the position of influence vacated by the USA. It gives them an opportunity to increase their influence. They might ultimately be successful or unsuccessful in this endeavour. I'm sure the USA and the EU are still both very formidable and powerful. However, as I've already indicated in this post and an earlier one, the USA has proposed deep and disproportionate cuts to diplomacy and development, while China has increased it's own. Meanwhile, the EU is struggling to cope with the global pandemic, deal with growing internal turmoil from multiple member states and negotiate a successful Brexit Treaty with a departing member state. So, at present, I wouldn't personally wish to claim anything as a certainty. And I've made no such claim about the abilities of the USA and the EU when it comes to intelligence gathering and analyse. However, you surely realize that whatever they can do, China can do as well. 4. I doubt very few countries would choose to sit idly and watch the world pass them by. However, I think, ultimately, Italy will act in their own best interest, even if this means some sort of alliance with China. However, I see it more as a trading alliance than a strategic one. Economics is more attractive, effective and influential than conflict. Your reference to WWII is a bit of a non-sequitur, but it's important to remember that times have changed dramatically in the last... 75 years. The "Nazis" have become the most economically influential and powerful member of the EU, whilst Japan is third in ranking for overall GDP globally... behind the USA and China. Not bad for a couple of losers. Everything changes, nothing stays the same. It's also interesting that you should mention India. Economists have predicted that in the long term, India will eventually overtake China in economic dominance, just as China will overtake the USA in economic dominance. Of course, the experts could well be wrong and - due to unforeseen events - some other alternate future will arise. I can't wait to find out. To quote the motto of this website: "Time will tell..." If you choose to believe the propaganda and info that the Chinese spout, well so be it. Let me remind you, China is a communist country and the media is tightly controlled by them and so is the country naturally. As you can imagine, it is difficult to gain accurate statistics and info from China (for them to save face and project strength). If you honestly believe the nation has eradicated that much poverty, more power to you. I dont buy it for a second. Same goes for their technological 'advancements', if anything, stolen tech from the idiotic Western companies that do business over there ie presence of company offices and the sort. They should know what a communist regime is like I also made a mistake above somewhere, I said the Yellow Sea, I meant the South China Sea I only mentioned the Germans in that capacity because thats what they were at the time, Nazis. I never said anything about them doing poorly. This is another country that will go against China when it comes to the crunch. No one in the modern Western world is going to accept a communist regime as their leader and if that leads to war, then so be it but China will not come out on top. Ok, Im sure America still comes out on top re billionaires net worth combined with China only having one billionaire in the top 30 but in the very much lower end of that spectrum. Look at how many military bases America and Europe has around the world compared to China, they dwarf them. America alone dwarfs them, they dwarf everyone. Let's look at some other factors: China's eerie ghost cities a 'symptom' of the country's economic troubles and housing bubbleghost cities-50 of them with 64 million empty apartments in China China's looming great wall of debt may have 'major global implications'This beauty also mentions the detrimental effects of the trade war against China Why is emerging global superpower China still categorised as a 'developing' country?What did you say again about China and that developing country thing? Xi Jinping is determined to end all poverty in China by 2020. Can he do it?Not the biggest fan of the CNN but this perfectly illustrates how China, the communist regime, is: I do agree with one thing, time will tell. Although my money is against China 1. The federal, state and local goverments of every country spout propaganda, both internally and externally. Every government in every country attempts to control or influence the media in some way. However, most of my sources were independent of China, so I believe I was able to access a fairly accurate representation of current circumstances. 2. No problem. 3. Wrong. Not all Germans were Nazis and not all Nazis were German. And, believe it or not, not all Nazis were bad... John Heinrich Detlef Rabe, also known as "the Good Nazi of Nanking". 4. Perhaps, perhaps not. Does it matter? Anyway, as China is minting new billionaires at a faster rate than the USA, if they haven't already risen to first place in overall net worth of their billionaires, it's only a matter of time before they do. 5. And? Military dominance is one way to influence others, while economic dominance is another. Which do you think is most preferable in our modern, interconnected world? 6A. Every country has abandoned or underpopulated cities and towns... Including your country and mine. 6B. Look behind you! China's national debt is approximately 5.5 trillion, while the USA's national debt is approximately 22.7 trillion. Meanwhile, Australia's national debt is approximately 552 billion. 6C. Some may view it as a developing country, while some may view it as an emerging superpower. Whichever way you look at it, it's clear that it'd be extremely unwise to dismiss or underestimate China's ability or determination... or patience. 6D. So you're saying that the war against poverty is an ongoing battle? I agree that it is... all over the globe.
Every country has to deal with a section of its population living in poverty... including your country and mine. 7. As I said before, it'd be extremely unwise to dismiss or underestimate China's ability, determination or patience.
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Post by equality72521 on May 22, 2020 3:23:20 GMT 1
Even before this global pandemic struck, economic experts from around the world were calling this the "Asian century" and predicted that China would eventually overhaul the USA and become the leading global economy. Even with this global pandemic, I doubt much has happened that will change that economic prediction moving forwards. China may come under pressure from outside sources, concerning the origins of COVID-19, but I expect they'll weather the storm easily and in the end, prevail over their opponents. China is an expert at playing the long game. They've been doing it in one form or another for centuries. All they need to do is wait for the fickle West to vacillate or to waver over which course of action they wish to pursue and which political leader or party they want to lead them into that future... before, once more, they change their minds yet again. And while the West chops and changes, time and time again, China just has to bide its time. Until their opportunity presents itself. Whenever and wherever there's a chance to assert influence around the globe, you'll most likely find agents or representatives of China there, doing their best to plant their seed and establish their presence. Recently, President Donald Trump cut funding to the World Health Organization. I'm not here to pass judgement on his decision, simply to point out that this provides China with an opening to fill the position of influence vacated by the USA. It gives them yet another opportunity to move forward in their goal to supplant the USA as the dominant economic force of the twenty-first century and beyond. PS - Also, as a side not, if China can provide assistance with the funding shortfall left by the USA, then when it comes time for this investigation into the origins of COVID-19, it'll leave China in a very strong position to assert its influence over the World Health Organization and perhaps those conducting the investigation... Just a thought. Until the rich quit getting richer via China, little will change toward China other than a few hand slaps and harsh rhetoric. But they won't stop getting rich via China. China already subcontracts some of its manufacturing to other countries with express clauses forbidding contact with the original companies. China has been pumping real money into Africa and South America for a loooong time. China has been colonizing with cash rather than guns.
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Post by equality72521 on May 22, 2020 3:46:25 GMT 1
Mac and Ack seem to be going for very long posts. I'll try to be succinct... mostly because I have to go out shortly.
Communism The ruling party may be called the Communist Party but the Chinese are so capitalistic they make Jews look like financial neophytes. Sure, there is tight social and media control but it's not new and it's not strictly a communist phenomenon. The Chinese government is fascist. If you want me to expound, let me know and I'll write more when I return from my lunch meeting... if I'm sober enough.
Chinese Invention Up until about the year 1500, the Chinese invented just about everything. You can't go a day without using something the Chinese created.
Post 1500 seemed to slow or stop. Why? That's the "Needham Question." Most likely it's due to western advancements made during the age of discover and then by the decline of the monarchy and finally by decades of civil war and hardline (actual) communism. To catch up, China has certainly stolen lots of tech... just like everybody else does. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that one shouldn't try to cast China as the sole bad guy in that area.
Financial Power See response to Paul above and also remember that western countries have been willing participants... mostly out of ego and the notion that we could simply put those "little yellow fuckers" back in their box when we were done with them. You can't, certainly not after Trump dismantled TPP (which was a plan for economic containment of China) and started his little trade war... which he will ultimately lose.
Poverty Industrialization in the west brought millions out of poverty in the early days. Why is it so hard to believe the same thing hasn't worked in China?
My lunch meeting just got moved up, so I have to run.
I'll try to cover more when I get back. Ciao
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Post by equality72521 on May 22, 2020 8:18:19 GMT 1
Back from lunch and have some other things to do, but I'll try to add more to the above...
Military Power China may not have the best weapons of war but they DO have 1.4 billion citizens (in China and a town near you) ready to do their part for the motherland. Countries wanted access to China's workers. China wanted the ability to send their people abroad to learn and spread their soft power.
I'm not talking about the descendants of the various diasporas that have been living and working in your cities for generations, but the hundreds of thousands of students, business people, and teachers at your local "Confucius Institute."
Soft Power While those Confucius Institute instructors are waiting for the call to take up arms, they are already spreading disinformation and blocking access to real information. They are "radicalizing" (for lack of a better term) your impressionable (already left-leaning) youth.
And for all the bitching about "crappy products made in China" the fact is that most of you probably couldn't afford the high quality products made in your own countries by over-paid union workers in companies owned by banksters.
And don't get me started on how many components of your "homemade" products were actually made in China. Chances are that the chips in your Korean, Japanese, or American computer were made in factories that (on a clear day) I can see from the roof of my apartment building. Intel built a city within a city not 10 miles from where I'm sitting. Your Ikea bookshelf? Right over there. How about your "traditional Thomasville furniture? The wooden parts are made in China then get shipped to America for padding and upholstering... which meets the requirements for the "Made in the USA" label. The brakes on your "German-built" car? The factory is 20 miles away. And that's just one part of your car that's made in China. There's more. Components for airplanes... entire ships to move cargo around the world...all made within a 30 to 60 minute drive from my apartment. And I don't even live in a big city.
The west sold its financial soul to China decades ago. You're not getting it back.
The People They are just like you and me for the most part. They like to go out and have a good time with friends... eating, drinking dancing, going to the movies, etc.
And they don't all or always love their government. But as long as the government is providing them with the opportunities to make money and enjoy a better life, they'll go along with anything that comes out of ZhongNanHai. Anything that is perceived as a threat to that prosperity is viewed as an enemy... like Donnie Dimwit.
OK. Definitely have to go now. Back in a few hours... or tomorrow.
TYL
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 8:30:16 GMT 1
Mac and Ack seem to be going for very long posts. I'll try to be succinct... mostly because I have to go out shortly. CommunismThe ruling party may be called the Communist Party but the Chinese are so capitalistic they make Jews look like financial neophytes. Sure, there is tight social and media control but it's not new and it's not strictly a communist phenomenon. The Chinese government is fascist. If you want me to expound, let me know and I'll write more when I return from my lunch meeting... if I'm sober enough. Chinese InventionUp until about the year 1500, the Chinese invented just about everything. You can't go a day without using something the Chinese created. Post 1500 seemed to slow or stop. Why? That's the "Needham Question." Most likely it's due to western advancements made during the age of discover and then by the decline of the monarchy and finally by decades of civil war and hardline (actual) communism. To catch up, China has certainly stolen lots of tech... just like everybody else does. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that one shouldn't try to cast China as the sole bad guy in that area. Financial PowerSee response to Paul above and also remember that western countries have been willing participants... mostly out of ego and the notion that we could simply put those "little yellow fuckers" back in their box when we were done with them. You can't, certainly not after Trump dismantled TPP (which was a plan for economic containment of China) and started his little trade war... which he will ultimately lose. PovertyIndustrialization in the west brought millions out of poverty in the early days. Why is it so hard to believe the same thing hasn't worked in China? My lunch meeting just got moved up, so I have to run. I'll try to cover more when I get back. Ciao But in practice, is there much of a difference between fascism and communism? Sure fascists believe in superior beings so yeah discrimination is kind of their motto but is there anything else? Welcome btw. Are you from the Arrow board too? I think I recognise your name
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on May 22, 2020 8:40:00 GMT 1
'Mac and Ack' is a buddy cop film I'd like to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 8:44:25 GMT 1
'Mac and Ack' is a buddy cop film I'd like to see.
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Post by equality72521 on May 23, 2020 0:43:57 GMT 1
Mac and Ack seem to be going for very long posts. I'll try to be succinct... mostly because I have to go out shortly. CommunismThe ruling party may be called the Communist Party but the Chinese are so capitalistic they make Jews look like financial neophytes. Sure, there is tight social and media control but it's not new and it's not strictly a communist phenomenon. The Chinese government is fascist. If you want me to expound, let me know and I'll write more when I return from my lunch meeting... if I'm sober enough. Chinese InventionUp until about the year 1500, the Chinese invented just about everything. You can't go a day without using something the Chinese created. Post 1500 seemed to slow or stop. Why? That's the "Needham Question." Most likely it's due to western advancements made during the age of discover and then by the decline of the monarchy and finally by decades of civil war and hardline (actual) communism. To catch up, China has certainly stolen lots of tech... just like everybody else does. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that one shouldn't try to cast China as the sole bad guy in that area. Financial PowerSee response to Paul above and also remember that western countries have been willing participants... mostly out of ego and the notion that we could simply put those "little yellow fuckers" back in their box when we were done with them. You can't, certainly not after Trump dismantled TPP (which was a plan for economic containment of China) and started his little trade war... which he will ultimately lose. PovertyIndustrialization in the west brought millions out of poverty in the early days. Why is it so hard to believe the same thing hasn't worked in China? My lunch meeting just got moved up, so I have to run. I'll try to cover more when I get back. Ciao But in practice, is there much of a difference between fascism and communism? Sure fascists believe in superior beings so yeah discrimination is kind of their motto but is there anything else? Welcome btw. Are you from the Arrow board too? I think I recognise your name Fascism is about authoritarianism. In that regard it can look like many different ideological forms. Communism is economic theory with government inclusion. There is no communism in China. There is socialism... national socialism even. What did we call the last crop of national socialists? That's right. We called them "fascists." I am not on the Arrow board, but you may remember me from such hits as, IMDb v1 or v2, Rive Gauce, and Exile.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 0:49:37 GMT 1
But in practice, is there much of a difference between fascism and communism? Sure fascists believe in superior beings so yeah discrimination is kind of their motto but is there anything else? Welcome btw. Are you from the Arrow board too? I think I recognise your name Fascism is about authoritarianism. In that regard it can look like many different ideological forms. Communism is economic theory with government inclusion. There is no communism in China. There is socialism... national socialism even. What did we call the last crop of national socialists? That's right. We called them "fascists." I am not on the Arrow board, but you may remember me from such hits as, IMDb v1 or v2, Rive Gauce, and Exile. Yeah but im talking about application. The end result is very similar
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Post by equality72521 on May 23, 2020 1:30:14 GMT 1
Fascism is about authoritarianism. In that regard it can look like many different ideological forms. Communism is economic theory with government inclusion. There is no communism in China. There is socialism... national socialism even. What did we call the last crop of national socialists? That's right. We called them "fascists." I am not on the Arrow board, but you may remember me from such hits as, IMDb v1 or v2, Rive Gauce, and Exile. Yeah but im talking about application. The end result is very similar Really?
How does fascism in a capitalistic society bring about ownership of all property and production by the people as a collective?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 1:34:07 GMT 1
Yeah but im talking about application. The end result is very similar Really?
How does fascism in a capitalistic society bring about ownership of all property and production by the people as a collective?
I think youre confusing theory and practice. Both fascism and communism have people own things if they are useful to the state ie party members and cronyism
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Post by equality72521 on May 23, 2020 1:51:10 GMT 1
Really?
How does fascism in a capitalistic society bring about ownership of all property and production by the people as a collective?
I think youre confusing theory and practice. Both fascism and communism have people own things if they are useful to the state ie party members and cronyism I'm not confused. You seem to think that because things have certain similar properties that they are, indeed, the same.
I'm just using words probably a little more precisely than you're used to, so I'll just state (again) that China is not a communist country in theory or practice. There is no collective ownership of property or the means of production by the people nor is there any actual movement toward that end except in the rhetoric of party leadership... most of whom are multi-millionaires/billionaires and like it.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some things to do that will take me away for about 2 hours or so. You have that much time to prove that China is a communist country in theory or practice. And please remember that the name of a political party is immaterial to the point.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 1:58:34 GMT 1
5 Myths About the Chinese Communist Party link
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Post by equality72521 on May 23, 2020 4:06:07 GMT 1
'Mac and Ack' is a buddy cop film I'd like to see. It will never surpass "Turner ans Hooch"
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Post by equality72521 on May 23, 2020 4:15:20 GMT 1
5 Myths About the Chinese Communist Party linkI suspect that you must have forgotten how to use the "quote" button
I'm also guessing that the relevant point was in the first section:
None of the aspects mentioned are the sole province of communism. In fact, they are more indicative of fascism.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 5:02:43 GMT 1
5 Myths About the Chinese Communist Party linkI suspect that you must have forgotten how to use the "quote" button
I'm also guessing that the relevant point was in the first section: None of the aspects mentioned are the sole province of communism. In fact, they are more indicative of fascism.
My intuition figured you would find the right info. I guess I was right. Yes...and I already said in 'practice' they are very similar but you seem to have your own versions of communism and fascism. Ok let's agree to disagree. You stick with yours and Ill stick with my evidence and real-world scenario
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Post by equality72521 on May 24, 2020 4:17:28 GMT 1
I suspect that you must have forgotten how to use the "quote" button
I'm also guessing that the relevant point was in the first section: None of the aspects mentioned are the sole province of communism. In fact, they are more indicative of fascism.
My intuition figured you would find the right info. I guess I was right. Yes...and I already said in 'practice' they are very similar but you seem to have your own versions of communism and fascism. Ok let's agree to disagree. You stick with yours and Ill stick with my evidence and real-world scenario Passive-aggressive insults are just so cuuute! Tell you what.
You give me your definitions for "communism" and "fascism" and then we'll discuss it some more.
In the meantime, I'll be awaiting your response... here in the real world... in China to be specific.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 7:40:51 GMT 1
My intuition figured you would find the right info. I guess I was right. Yes...and I already said in 'practice' they are very similar but you seem to have your own versions of communism and fascism. Ok let's agree to disagree. You stick with yours and Ill stick with my evidence and real-world scenario Passive-aggressive insults are just so cuuute! Tell you what.
You give me your definitions for "communism" and "fascism" and then we'll discuss it some more.
In the meantime, I'll be awaiting your response... here in the real world... in China to be specific.
Well...when in Rome..thought it was your way of communicating. Once fine whatever, twice no dice
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Post by equality72521 on May 24, 2020 12:41:26 GMT 1
Passive-aggressive insults are just so cuuute! Tell you what.
You give me your definitions for "communism" and "fascism" and then we'll discuss it some more.
In the meantime, I'll be awaiting your response... here in the real world... in China to be specific.
Well...when in Rome..thought it was your way of communicating. Once fine whatever, twice no dice As I suspected. You've got nothing but bigotry backing your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 0:53:19 GMT 1
Well...when in Rome..thought it was your way of communicating. Once fine whatever, twice no dice As I suspected. You've got nothing but bigotry backing your opinion.
Ta
Yep Im a bigot against a communist regime. Sorry, not sorry
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Post by equality72521 on May 25, 2020 4:12:50 GMT 1
As I suspected. You've got nothing but bigotry backing your opinion.
Ta
Yep Im a bigot against a communist regime. Sorry, not sorry Silly Rabbit
You have yet to prove that there is anything "communist" about China other than the name of the ruling party. Therefore, I can only assume that your dislike of China and its people has to do with something that you cannot (or don't want to) articulate.
If you cannot articulate it, you're probably just a mental defective.
If you don't want to, it's probably because it would reveal (even more) that you are a bigot.
Pick one.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 5:34:13 GMT 1
Yep Im a bigot against a communist regime. Sorry, not sorry Silly Rabbit
You have yet to prove that there is anything "communist" about China other than the name of the ruling party. Therefore, I can only assume that your dislike of China and its people has to do with something that you cannot (or don't want to) articulate.
If you cannot articulate it, you're probably just a mental defective.
If you don't want to, it's probably because it would reveal (even more) that you are a bigot.
Pick one.
So much wrong with this reply...tell you what, from my previous replies im sure you can find the answer and if you come back and tell me what that is correctly, I will reward you a cookie. Also stop with the labeling, 'Equality'
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Post by equality72521 on May 26, 2020 3:36:09 GMT 1
Silly Rabbit
You have yet to prove that there is anything "communist" about China other than the name of the ruling party. Therefore, I can only assume that your dislike of China and its people has to do with something that you cannot (or don't want to) articulate.
If you cannot articulate it, you're probably just a mental defective.
If you don't want to, it's probably because it would reveal (even more) that you are a bigot.
Pick one.
So much wrong with this reply...tell you what, from my previous replies im sure you can find the answer and if you come back and tell me what that is correctly, I will reward you a cookie. Also stop with the labeling, 'Equality' Sorry, dude. You have given no "answer."
"China's communist cuz they use propaganda!" Have you seen political ads in the US?
"But the government owns the media!" Do you know who owns the BBC?
All of your examples about what makes China "communist" simply have nothing to do with communism per se. They have to do with authoritarianism (not that you are, BBC, but you get the point). Now, if you could point out that they had country-wide, state-mandated communal farming or something like that, you'd have a point. But they don't so you don't
And why did you put my nick in quotes?
Ohhhh
You don't realize it's the name of a character from a book.
It's OK. It's obvious that you don't read much.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 4:07:59 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 7:34:57 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 0:34:29 GMT 1
Until the rich quit getting richer via China, little will change toward China other than a few hand slaps and harsh rhetoric. But they won't stop getting rich via China. China already subcontracts some of its manufacturing to other countries with express clauses forbidding contact with the original companies. China has been pumping real money into Africa and South America for a loooong time. China has been colonizing with cash rather than guns. This is the 21st Century. The powers that be have found an easier, less expensive way to conquer the world by just giving the people what they want in terms of cheap consumer goods. Bread and circuses worked in Rome...until it didn’t.
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